Hiya, If anyone would like to send me your Genealogy Homepage URL, I will check it out, and Link it to My homepage ( per owner's permission) I May be On Cyndi's list, but I don't get Nearly the traffic, but I do not do to bad on my own <SMILE> and any one having links to share, all are welcome (Withstanding , rootsweb, usgenweb, the NORMAL sources, but a specific area of interest, Historical sites of the Orig-13 sort, You get the jiist of it I am sure.,. I will be happy to compile them onto a single URL according to the list owner's wishes, or you can email me at [email protected] Thanks, Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Does anyone on this list have a copy of the "will" or "estate settlement" of Peter Van Bibber b. 1694 who married Anna? Thanks so much Barb Locker

We already know that THOUSANDS og names have been out into the name MARY.... Marie, Maria,Margaretha You get what i mean.. Sounds Like it is Plaine and clear.. NO ONE has any proof, or they are holding out for a book deal <G> just joking. Sorry i opened up this can of worms, that was not my intension to cause heat, but i did asked for both possitive and negative theries.. I think we all get the idea. Cali~ Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I have the zip of 1000 to 1100 from the old listbot list (predecessor to this list) of the original 13. Taken today from the old archives. If anyone wants a copy of these zipped 100 letters, please send me a request at [email protected] and I will be happy to send you the approximately 350 KB attachment. There are a variety of topics. Keep in mind that some of the data may have been updated, but most of it is current. Also, that not every letter has data, and that a complete representation of the subject matter covered by this list is not represented. It is only 100 out of 2000+ letters. I do also have letters 1 through 1000 for those who have not yet gotten them, but would like them. They are in several zips. Vince Summers

Has it ever been proven that Reynear Tyson had a sister, Mary? Mary Deaves

Clever! Clever! Certainly a possibility. And it could have been spelt BOTE or BODE or even, correctly, BODY! Not a certainty, but as good a possibility as anything! Vince Sherry Johnson wrote: > > Vince, > > This is another total guess, but could the missing "B" word just be "body" and not > a name at all, sort of a variation on "Here lies the body of..."? The carver of > this epitaph obviously struggled with both grammar and spelling. I imagine the > outer letters, whatever they were, have just worn away over the last 255 years. > We're lucky so much has survived. > > Sherry > [email protected] > > > This is what I make of it... > > > > 1745 > > Maria Opti > > Graff Bo_ > > Being Buried Here > > The 30th of > > August Being Eighteen > > Years of Age > > > > I was so presumptuous as to suggest the Bo_ might be a name such as > > BOM. This part is, of course, only a total guess, except that the > > length of the name has to be absolutely no more than four letters, and > > likely only three. What else remains, that is a well-known name of > > the area? > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Visit Our Homepage (Thanks, Liese Ade-Uptegrove for this!) at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ > Images, a facsimile signature of Thones Kunders, history, etc. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Just to mention that Theis (Mattheis) Doors wife was Agnes and the nickname for Agnes is Nis.... whatever spelling you use. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Caton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 12:06 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Reynear (Reynier) Tyson and his relation to Jan Lukens wife > Lots of us think that Mary Jan's wife was Reynear's sister, though there > has not been any conclusive proof. However, that doesn't mean she isn't > Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen's daughter. > > Tyson is from Theis's son (or sohn in German) and Reynear and Mary are > the children of Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen, at least according to the > all the stuff that I have seen. Theis is actually short for Matthias. > > I haven't seen any wills or Bibles that prove any of this - has anyone > else? The Niepoth article Vince posted suggests Mercken Gastes as the > wife Jan Lukens, but that is based only on the fact that her name is > near his on the power of attorney given by those going to America to > those staying behind. > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > LaVere LUKENS has about 14 stamps of the Concord still available to any > one who wants one. They are not expensive. Contact him if you want > one, at: [email protected] This offer will be withdrawn at his notice. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

In a message dated 8/21/2000 12:40:48 PM, [email protected] writes: Earl, on the Original 13 List, who first mentioned DeHaven responded very generously to my note by providing the DeHaven/Twaddell link I was missing. As a result I was able to determine that my 2C6R, Susanna Luken, married my husband's 4G Uncle, DeHaven descendant Joseph Pawling. What fun! Nancy

Aw, come on folks, how many times do we have to tell you-all that the English name AGNES was represented in Germany and Holland as NISKE, NEES, NIS, or NEESGEN or variants? You persistently want to claim this as a second name or a maiden name. This diminishes your credibility. If you do not understand the language or the names, then ask. Do not, please, perpetuate these errors. Sorry, but I have had a bad day. Erik P. Conard--Denver

For those of you new people who don't know about Iris Jones' Krefeld Immigrants magazine, you are missing out on a lot of research. Volume 1, Number 2, pp 51-54 discusses the different theories of Jan Luken's wife's names, and the reasoning behind each name. Iris can be reached at [email protected], if you are interested in getting a copy of this issue or others (now in 16th year). Maurine Ward At 09:06 PM 8/21/2000 -0700, Nancy Caton wrote: >Lots of us think that Mary Jan's wife was Reynear's sister, though there >has not been any conclusive proof. However, that doesn't mean she isn't >Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen's daughter. > >Tyson is from Theis's son (or sohn in German) and Reynear and Mary are >the children of Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen, at least according to the >all the stuff that I have seen. Theis is actually short for Matthias. > >I haven't seen any wills or Bibles that prove any of this - has anyone >else? The Niepoth article Vince posted suggests Mercken Gastes as the >wife Jan Lukens, but that is based only on the fact that her name is >near his on the power of attorney given by those going to America to >those staying behind. > > >==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== >LaVere LUKENS has about 14 stamps of the Concord still available to any >one who wants one. They are not expensive. Contact him if you want >one, at: [email protected] This offer will be withdrawn at his notice. > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Vince, This is another total guess, but could the missing "B" word just be "body" and not a name at all, sort of a variation on "Here lies the body of..."? The carver of this epitaph obviously struggled with both grammar and spelling. I imagine the outer letters, whatever they were, have just worn away over the last 255 years. We're lucky so much has survived. Sherry [email protected] > This is what I make of it... > > 1745 > Maria Opti > Graff Bo_ > Being Buried Here > The 30th of > August Being Eighteen > Years of Age > > I was so presumptuous as to suggest the Bo_ might be a name such as > BOM. This part is, of course, only a total guess, except that the > length of the name has to be absolutely no more than four letters, and > likely only three. What else remains, that is a well-known name of > the area? >

Lots of us think that Mary Jan's wife was Reynear's sister, though there has not been any conclusive proof. However, that doesn't mean she isn't Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen's daughter. Tyson is from Theis's son (or sohn in German) and Reynear and Mary are the children of Theis Doors and Agnes Nissgen, at least according to the all the stuff that I have seen. Theis is actually short for Matthias. I haven't seen any wills or Bibles that prove any of this - has anyone else? The Niepoth article Vince posted suggests Mercken Gastes as the wife Jan Lukens, but that is based only on the fact that her name is near his on the power of attorney given by those going to America to those staying behind.

Yes, I would like a e-mail attachment of the Berger jpg. Thanks, Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent E. Summers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Berger.jpg Tombstone Interpretation > OK, folks. Many of you received a copy of Berger.jpg. That is the > file that Cathy Berger provided (or rather, I scanned from a paper), > and that was or is a mystery. Here is the basic layout, first... > > 1745 > MAREA OPTE > GRAFF Bo? > BEEN BARET HER > THA 3 TA AF > AGHOST BEEN ATEN > ?EARS AFAJH > > > Now here is what I modify it to, considering the person writing it as > not quite getting for the E's and I's, and the person transcribing it > not quite getting a few things right, either... > > 1745 > MARIA OPTI > GRAFF BO? > BEIN BARET HER > THA 3 TA AF > AGHOST BEIN ATEN > ?EARS AFAJH > > > This is what I make of it... > > 1745 > Maria Opti > Graff Bo_ > Being Buried Here > The 30th of > August Being Eighteen > Years of Age > > > I was so presumptuous as to suggest the Bo_ might be a name such as > BOM. This part is, of course, only a total guess, except that the > length of the name has to be absolutely no more than four letters, and > likely only three. What else remains, that is a well-known name of > the area? > > Anyone who can find this person, be she a BOM or not, should certainly > receive the thanks of the list. > > I had, formerly, thought it was the 3rd, but now agree with (was it > the Castor Association? DeHaven?) the 30th. > > So there you have it. Sorry, for those of you who have joined since > this puzzle was posted. If you would like a copy of that file, let > me know, and I can still send you an email attachment of it... It is > a graphics file. > > Vince > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please write simple Thank You's to anyone who helps you. It's not > even bad to say You're Welcome, either! > Also, from me to you, THANK YOU for being such a great group! -- VES. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

OK, folks. Many of you received a copy of Berger.jpg. That is the file that Cathy Berger provided (or rather, I scanned from a paper), and that was or is a mystery. Here is the basic layout, first... 1745 MAREA OPTE GRAFF Bo? BEEN BARET HER THA 3 TA AF AGHOST BEEN ATEN ?EARS AFAJH Now here is what I modify it to, considering the person writing it as not quite getting for the E's and I's, and the person transcribing it not quite getting a few things right, either... 1745 MARIA OPTI GRAFF BO? BEIN BARET HER THA 3 TA AF AGHOST BEIN ATEN ?EARS AFAJH This is what I make of it... 1745 Maria Opti Graff Bo_ Being Buried Here The 30th of August Being Eighteen Years of Age I was so presumptuous as to suggest the Bo_ might be a name such as BOM. This part is, of course, only a total guess, except that the length of the name has to be absolutely no more than four letters, and likely only three. What else remains, that is a well-known name of the area? Anyone who can find this person, be she a BOM or not, should certainly receive the thanks of the list. I had, formerly, thought it was the 3rd, but now agree with (was it the Castor Association? DeHaven?) the 30th. So there you have it. Sorry, for those of you who have joined since this puzzle was posted. If you would like a copy of that file, let me know, and I can still send you an email attachment of it... It is a graphics file. Vince

I had Several BONN's during that time thoughout the cemeteries.. I checked it and I found no Refference to OpDeGraeff's either. So that may Discount it being the name BONN, if there is no burial records of them together.. but of Course, That is Only speculative beings, Some people might be buried in Private Farms and more of the like. sorry, thought it was worth a Try? Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thanks Vince. I would enjoy seeing a copy. Who knows but that my "eagle" eyes might help with a letter or so <LOL> Antoinette [email protected] "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > OK, folks. Many of you received a copy of Berger.jpg. That is the > file that Cathy Berger provided (or rather, I scanned from a paper), > and that was or is a mystery. Here is the basic layout, first... > > 1745 > MAREA OPTE > GRAFF Bo? > BEEN BARET HER > THA 3 TA AF > AGHOST BEEN ATEN > ?EARS AFAJH > > > Now here is what I modify it to, considering the person writing it as > not quite getting for the E's and I's, and the person transcribing it > not quite getting a few things right, either... > > 1745 > MARIA OPTI > GRAFF BO? > BEIN BARET HER > THA 3 TA AF > AGHOST BEIN ATEN > ?EARS AFAJH > > > This is what I make of it... > > 1745 > Maria Opti > Graff Bo_ > Being Buried Here > The 30th of > August Being Eighteen > Years of Age > > I was so presumptuous as to suggest the Bo_ might be a name such as > BOM. This part is, of course, only a total guess, except that the > length of the name has to be absolutely no more than four letters, and > likely only three. What else remains, that is a well-known name of > the area? > > Anyone who can find this person, be she a BOM or not, should certainly > receive the thanks of the list. > > I had, formerly, thought it was the 3rd, but now agree with (was it > the Castor Association? DeHaven?) the 30th. > > So there you have it. Sorry, for those of you who have joined since > this puzzle was posted. If you would like a copy of that file, let > me know, and I can still send you an email attachment of it... It is > a graphics file. > > Vince > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please write simple Thank You's to anyone who helps you. It's not > even bad to say You're Welcome, either! > Also, from me to you, THANK YOU for being such a great group! -- VES. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Well, I am personally looking forward to Hearing more about Jan and Mary... I thought she was the Daughter of Theis Doors and NISSGEN AGNES <---- not sure if that is her whole name.. But everytime I posted her married to Jan I got shot down... Looking forwarding to seening what info the new people bring to this, and also, If this adds to the problem or helps clear it up, since I have been told by many She is NOT Jan's wife? All Positive and negative verification is More than welcome, Thanks bunches, Cali I know you knew that was coming <G> Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

That is a New name on me, You may find more at my page below, but i do not believe I have that name in a Database... You may find her.. sorry, Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Nancy, Do you have this? WILL OF RYNEAR TYSON, of Abington, County of Philadelphia, yeoman. [Phila. Will Book H, #39, Page 63, 1745] To my grandson Mathew Tyson (son of my son Matthias Tyson), 6 pounds, in full of all right of my said son Matthias, who has already in his life time received his full share. To my sons John, Abraham,Derick and Peter, 6 pounds each. To my son Henry Tyson, 8 pounds. To my daughters Elizabeth Lucken and Sarah Kirk, 6 pounds each. To my daughter Elizabeth Lucan, all my Dutch Books. All my good remaining in the store room (except ye stove) shall be divided between my sons John, Abraham, Derick, Peter and Henry Tyson, and my daughters Elizabeth Lucans and Sarah Kirk, equally. To my granddaught Abigail Tyson, my riding horse. Residue to my executor. Execr.: My son Isaac Tyson. Dated 21 December 1741; probate 26 October 1745. Signed Reynear yson. [Mark] Wits.: Step. Jenkin, Abigail Jenkins, William Jenkins.

Stacy Budd Collins Jr. b.8 Aug 1847, d.17 Feb 1917 married a Mary Tyson on 6 Dec 1883. Wish I could say where all of these events took place, but all I have on them is that they were Quakers, and that Stacy's parents lived in Burlington, NJ, then moved to NYC. Looking for more information on this couple. Bill