Hi all, I've been having some fun researching the marriage date of Thones and Leentje. As a starting point, I'm glad for the pioneering work of Wilhelm Niepoth, who used German sources to sort out these families. In "The Ancestry of the Thirteen Krefeld Emigrants of 1683," by Wilhelm Niepoth, translated by John Brockie Lukens; reprinted in Genealogies of Pennsylvania Families... vol III pp 495-512 we read on page 507: "...on the first Sunday after Trinity (May 31) Anno Domini 1677 in Krefeld at the Reformed Church, the bans of marriage were published for 'Tonis Kuners of Gladbach and Lentgen Mattheisen (spinster) of Kaldenkirchen.'" When I read that, I realized that I did not know when Trinity was. And it was not clear if they were saying that Trinity was May 31 or the first Sunday after was May 31. So, I decided to try to get a look at the actual marriage record to see what it said. Plus I just wanted to see it for myself anyway. There were enough clues in the above to let me find in the LDS library catalog a set of films titled "Kirchenbuch, 1647-1798" with authors: "Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Crefeld." In particular film #1,336,927, item 5 has the Heiraten [marriages] beginning in 1677. It was easy to find the marriage of Tönis and Lentgen. The date shown is "Dom. 1 Trinitatis". I agree that this means the first Sunday after Trinity. But when is Trinity? According to my dictionary, Trinity is the Sunday after Pentecost. And Pentecost is 7 weeks after Easter. So, when was Easter in 1677? And since I wasn't sure whether the Krefeld records were using Julian or Gregorian, I wanted to find Easter in both systems. I found this site that seemed to know what they were talking about and had tables that could be used to calcuate the date of Easter in both systems: http://www.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/easter.htm I also used this site to print out pages of months for both: http://www.calendarhome.com/tyc/ (But note that their date for Easter in the Julian is the Gregorian day of the month number which puts it on Wed.; so that is wrong.) Using the first site, I came up with Easter on 18 April 1677 for the Gregorian Calendar and 15 April for the Julian. That would put the Sunday after Trinity as 20 June and 17 June respectively. And then it occured to me that maybe the LDS web page on German genealogy research would have some help in this area. So I went to: http://www.familysearch.org/sg/Germany.html and found: "Bukke, Inger M., et al. The Comprehensive Genealogical Feast Day Calendar. ... fiche 6054630 ..." I went to my local FHC and they already had that fiche on file. And wonder of wonders, their dates for Easter and Trinity exactly matched what I had determined for 1677 in both Julian and Gregorian. Now we have to face the question of whether the Reformed Church of Krefeld was using Gregorian or Julian. Supposedly the German "Catholic States" changed to Gregorian in 1583-85 with the "Protestant States" changing in 1700. (Bukke, et al) With so many "States" and so much change going on there and the 30 years war (1618-1648), etc., I still am not sure which the Krefeld area was in 1583-85. Or for much of the time between 1582 and 1677. The best I have found is 2 maps that show the German states after the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. They both show the Krefeld area as being in the Archbishopric of Cologne. So, it was apparently in a Catholic area in 1648. If not already on Gregorian, it maight have changed at that time and then stayed Gregorian even if it went back to Protestant control. As the above approach may always be indeterminate, I decided to see if there was anything in the data itself which would help. All the marriages after Trinity seem to be on Sunday, as they say "Dom" for the date and then how many weeks past Trinity. Therefore, until something better comes along, I will assume that the earlier marriages were on Sunday also. It just so happens that if I assume a Gregorian calendar, then all the marriages except one fall on Sunday. Therefore, it appears to me that Tönis and Lentgen got married on 20 June 1677. Astute readers will have noticed that Niepoth/Lukens cited banns and I have been talking marriage date. (The banns would be 2 weeks or more before the marriage.) There are some other differences between the record I found and what they reported. They reported that Lentgen was a "spinster". The record I found had no words, letters, or symbols to indicate that. Also, in my record her patronymic is clearly Matteisen and they have Mattheisen. Now that could be a typo or proofreading error on their part. Or it could mean that Niepoth saw a different record than what I found. Here is my hypothesis: There were separate books for banns and for marriage (although I've never seen that before). Niepoth saw the banns book, and it had "spinster" and maybe a different spelling for Mattheisen. And it had the date of banns as May 31 or maybe May 30 (Sunday) and the 0 looked like a 1. May 30 would be 3 weeks before my 20 June date. Maybe he also saw the same marriage book I have the film of and somehow the banns of May 30 or 31 got garbled with the marriage on the first Sunday past Trinity in the write-up or translation. There is one additional fly in the ointment. From all I can tell, the book on the film I have is marriages as the LDS documentation says, and not banns. However, at the bottom of each entry, there are the numbers 1 2 3 with slantwise line drawn through each. It looks as if they could have been checking these off as the banns were read on 3 successive Sundays. In which case, 20 June (first Sunday past Trinity) _might_ be the date the banns were first read. It is unfortunate that on p. 509 in summarizing all the Doors children, the article has that Tonis Kunders _married_ on 31 May 1677 -- which is not consistent with their earlier statement that "the first Sunday after Trinity (May 31)" was the date of banns. In any event, it appears clear to me that they did not marry on May 31. I think 20 June is the best estimate with what I know now, with later dates possible. Thanks for any insight into any of this. Regards, Howard [email protected]

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At 01:03 AM 9/4/2000 -0400, Sholder, Kevin L wrote: >All, > >I would like to announce the birth of Annika Brielle Sholder to Loa and >Kevin Sholder. Kevin and Loa, Congratulations on your daughter. You have a beautiful family. Maurine Ward She was born on 30 August 2000. Please visit >http://www.siscom.net/~rdrunner/ to see pics. Mother and daughter are doing >fine. Oldest brother Christian is having fun and younger brother Cavanaugh >is trying to figure it all out. Although he seems to be speaking his first >words..."ba" and pointing to Annika. > >Thanks, >Kevin L. Sholder >IT Services - GDCS Desktop Solutions >Client Asset Management >Imaging and Software TL > >* 1529 Brown St., EMD-2, Dayton, OH 45479 >* 937-445-6336 or VP: 622-6336 >7 937-445-6867 >* [email protected] > >Don�t wait to make your Son a great man. Make him a great boy. > --Unknown > > >==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Changing Your Email Address? Please Unsubscribe Using Your Old Email > Address, and Then Resubscribe, Using Your New Email Address. > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

All, I would like to announce the birth of Annika Brielle Sholder to Loa and Kevin Sholder. She was born on 30 August 2000. Please visit http://www.siscom.net/~rdrunner/ to see pics. Mother and daughter are doing fine. Oldest brother Christian is having fun and younger brother Cavanaugh is trying to figure it all out. Although he seems to be speaking his first words..."ba" and pointing to Annika. Thanks, Kevin L. Sholder IT Services - GDCS Desktop Solutions Client Asset Management Imaging and Software TL * 1529 Brown St., EMD-2, Dayton, OH 45479 * 937-445-6336 or VP: 622-6336 7 937-445-6867 * [email protected] Don’t wait to make your Son a great man. Make him a great boy. --Unknown

--part1_64.633d155.26e2f6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_64.633d155.26e2f6ac_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: EConard1 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:32:04 EDT Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Lijntijen Teisen and Names (was: Kunders) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected], [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Howard, you are right on. Perhaps one rule of thumb is that the newer the article the more likely it is correct. Those who persist on hanging on to the old researchers who had little access to the records and who mostly did not understand the varied customs and nomenclature--well, they should go to their corner and lick their dish. Howard, you do good work. Erik P. Conard, formerly Kunders, Cunraeds, Cunred, Cunnard, Connard, now Conard--rhymes with "honored." --part1_64.633d155.26e2f6ac_boundary--

Hi Barb, At 10:13 AM 8/29/00 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >Howard and all >Beautifully put, and for the most part, agrees with what I believe to be >true. One difference being the "translation" of the first name of Lijntjen >Theissen. > >My main source for this info is "The Descendants of Paulus and Gertrud >Kusters" by Jean White. The Kuster Book quotes some of the same sources you >do, Howard. Do you own this book? If not I will check it for a reference of >an original source listing Lijntijen, as Lijntijen Theisson. No, I have not seen that book. Thank you for mentioning it. >An email I just sent to Sandy is below: > >FYI >from the book "The Descendants of Paulus and Gertrude Kusters" Jean White >editor. >Keep in mind Gertrude Doors m. Paulus Kusters was the sister of Helene >Theissen m. Thones Kunders. Did the use of the name "Helene" come from the White book? In any event, I would be very interested in what source or justification was cited that her full name was Helene as opposed to Magdalena or Elenora. Although I have seen secondary sources call her Helene, Helen, etc., none of them has given any evidence. >With the naming patterns not yet established in >the days of these peoples birth, siblings did not always use the same last >name. Some were "modernizing" the way names came down and used the actual >last name of their father, others used the old Dutch naming pattern. This is >the best an ignorant person such as myself can explain the difference in one >family for kids to ends up with different last names. It was also true in New Netherland / New York that when people began to adopt hereditary surnames (if they didn't already have them) that some branches of a family adopted different names. So, the fact that some of the Doors siblings were called Doors and some Theissen is not unusual. There are several examples of this in an article by Rosalie Fellows Bailey, F.A.S.G, titled "Dutch Systems in Family Naming: New York and New Jersey," National Genelaogical Society Quarterly, vol. 41, no. 1, (March 1953), pp. 1-11; and no. 4 (Dec 1953), pp. 109-118. This is an excellent article for those who want to learn more about the names of the Original-13 families. Some of the topics covered are: Patronymics Place-origin surnames Occupational surnames Personal charactersitic names Last names of married women Godparents and Sponsors [at baptisms] First names of children [the "naming pattern"] Diminutives There may be other things at work as well. Eg. in the book Doctor Zhivago, the title character has a surname, Zhivago. But many times he is referred to as (or called by other characters) Yurii Andreievitch, using his patronymic. In the case of Leentje, she is referred to as: Leentien Doormans at her bap in 1670 Lentgen Matteisen at her marriage in 1677 Lijntijen Teisen on the 1681 marriage certificate Lentje Kunders on the 1710 marriage certificate The point is that how a person was called in those days may depend on who was writing it down and when and where. > >Now I quote from "Kusters" book: > >" Gertrude Doors was born about 1648 in Kaldenkirchen, the daughter of Theiss >(Mathew) and Nees (Agnes) Doors. Many earlier genealogies of the Kuster >family speak of Gertrude Streypers as the wife of Paulus Kuster. This >misconception was probably passed along for many years because of the article >appearing in The Pennsylvania magazine of History and Biography in 1880 by >Samuel W. Pennypacker, "The Settlement of Germantown, and the Causes Which >Led to It," saying that Gertrude was a sister of Jan and Willem Streypers. Thanks for this reference. Although I looked at Pennypacker awhile back, I want check out the above. He may have been using the same letter I cited. >She was in fact the sister-in-law of Jan/Johann Streypers, her sister, Anna, >having married him. The term "sister" has changed through the years and in >the 1600's "sister" could refer to a child of the same parents, to his >brother's remarried widow, to the wife of a brother of his own wife (or as in >this case to as sister of his own wife), as well as to a child of his >stepmother. I now see that the Neipoth-Lukens article says pretty much the same thing in the first paragraph. "In-law" in particular had a broader meaning than today. For example, take the relationship between my father and the husband of my mother's sister. Back then those 2 guys may have been called brothers-in-law. But today, brother-in-law is usually understood, I think, to be only the relationship between my mother's sister and my father. My father solved the problem by calling the spouses of my mother's siblings "out-laws." :) It took me awhile before I realized that that was not an official term, but just his little joke. Regards, Howard [email protected]

This is Not The Updated file, this is the Surnames you will find on my page with clickable links. NONE Frame URL http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610/HTM/SURNAMES.HTM Maybe this can keep a Few people happy while I MOVE, still not done yet Grrr, but you will have it at hand to remember why you wrote <G> Everyone be Nice and Play good <G> Well? 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This is the last part of a post on NJBURLIN-L. Had I known the names shown below were going to be on it, I might have collected all the pieces and submitted them to you. If you wish the address of the original poster, please contact me. Vince List of Delinquent Tax Payers in Florence Twp in 1878 Published in the NJ Mirror Sept 1878 I hope someone found some ancestors. <--- why? VES Final Part: Joseph POTTS, estate 18.90 John POTTS 1.00 Joseph POTTS 1.00 Frank POTTS 1.00 James PHIFAR 1.50 Thomas PHIFAR 1.00 Daniel PARK 1.00 Stacy PENN 1.00 John PATTERSON 1.00 William C. POTTER 1.15 Mary QUINN 4.60 Nelson RINEAR 2.00 John REED 1.50 Charles RILEY 1.00 Anthony REEVES 3.34 Edward RAINEAR 1.00 James RILEY 1.00 David RICHMOND 1.50 Thomas ROE 2.21 Isaac RUBART 1.00 William RUBART 1.50 Samuel RUBART 1.00 Michael RILEY 2.00 Richard RILEY 1.00 Thomas RICHARDSON 3.60 Joseph RICHARDSON 1.00 M.L. & R.E. STYER 4.55 Charles W. SMITH 5.13 George SCOTT 1.00 James STREEPER 1.00 George W. SMITH 54.68 William SCHENCK 1.00 Jas. M. SEABURY Sr. 108.14 John SULLIVAN 1.00 H.W. STOCKWELL 1.00 William SHINN 1.50 Leonard SPOTZ 9.82 Henry STRICK .50 Michael SHAFER 1.00 William SMITH 1.00 Chris SYPHER 1.00 James SHINN 1.50 Joseph STONE 1.00 Samuel SC?AYLER 5.60 William SLEDDS 1.00 Richard SLACK 12.65 Abner TITUS 1.00 R.T.M. TRAIL 141.50 John THORNTON 1.00 J.B. VANKIRK 1.15 Israel VANHORN, est. 11.50 Aaron WOOD 1.00 William WILKIE 1.00 Benj. T. WARREN 12.15 Thomas E. WILSON 1.50 Daniel WEASTE 1.50 Howard WEAST 1.00 John WATSON 3.57 Morgan WEAST 1.00 John WEAST 1.00 Benjamin WEBB 1.00 William WEDELL 1.00 Charles WILKIE 1.43 Charles WHALEY 1.00 William B. ZELLEY 48.29 Charles LOWDEN 8.80 Martha LUCAS 10.05 Richard HAMILTON 1.50 list dated Aug. 14, 1878 William BISBING, collector -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.

got this through an automated search - thought it might help someone. Linda [email protected] wrote: > > ===================================================================== > A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this > search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > ===================================================================== > Source: [email protected] > Subject: [OHWASH] Beech Grove Cemetery Part 2 > > Beech Grove Cemetery > > Located Twp Rd 44, Newport Township > [snip] > Lukens O N--b 1858--d no date > Lukens Hulda--w/o O N Lukens--b 1856--d 1925 > Lukens Christena--w/o E B Lukens--b 28 June 1825--d 22 July 1886 [snip] > Linda > Now Researching MILLER, HALL, BURCHETT,PARKE, QUIMBY,CARPENTER

Perhaps this is a needless response to Gene's letter, but I thought I would add that they were right. Saturday always was the Sabbath. The Jews used Saturday as the sabbath. Never Sunday. The idea of Sunday being the day of rest is not based on the scriptures... Vince GeneStackhouse wrote: > > I am not sure exactly what you are asking but the calendar in use in the > British Empire until September 1752 (the change was not made on January 1, > 1752) was the Julian Calendar (aka Old Style). In that September, the Empire > changed to the Gregorian Calendar (New Style), which we still use today. > For part of the time that the British Empire used the Julian Calendar, many > countries in Europe were using the new Gregorian Calendar so, very often, > dates were written to include both calendars, thus giving the double years > in some dates. In the Julian Calendar, March was the first month. In the > Gregorian Calendar, January is the first month. > The Quakers used the same calendar as the Empire used. However, the Quakers > never used the names of the days or the months because these names were > based on Paganism. Thus, Sunday was the first day and Saturday was the > seventh day. This nomenclature is still in use. > When the British Empire changed to the Gregorian Calendar, the Quakers also > changed but they still did not use the names of the months. So, the first > month changed from March to January. > As genealogists, we should never, if possible, change the Quaker custom to > include the names of the months. People have been doing this for a long time > in their genealogies and have caused great confusion. If you must use the > name of the month, then include the number somewhere in a note. > A further note, in the British Empire, September 2, 1752 (Wednesday) was > followed by September 14, 1752 (Thursday) because along with changing the > first month of the year, the Gregorian Calendar had a correction in the > dates because the Julian Calendar was 11 days off from the true year. You > will never, in primary documents, find any date of September 3-13, 1752. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Swain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:11 PM > Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Old Style or New Style for Quaker dates > > > By Old Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the > > year begins on 25 March. Thus, March is the 1st month, April is the > > 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 10th month, January the 11th, > > and Feb becomes the 12th month. > > > > By New Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the > > year begins on 1 Jan (like we do now). Thus, Jan is the 1st month, > > Feb is the 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 12th month. > > > > For more info on this, see: > > http://www.genfair.com/dates.htm > > > > I have lately been looking through the early Abington and Gwynedd > > Friends Monthly Meeting records (LDS films #0,383,428 and 0,388,439 > > respectively). > > > > The Quakers seemed to prefer to refer to months almost entirely by > > using their number. Thus, you see an event on the 3rd month, say. > > So, the question in this case is, Is that March or May? > > The answer, of course, is that it depends on whether they are using > > Old Style or New Style. > . > > > > However, in looking through them, I noticed an interesting thing. > > Many of the times when an event was in the 11th or 12th month, > > they would use "double dates" for the year. (This, also, is > > discussed on the above web site.) Thus I found: 12-24-1718/19. > > This is interpreted as the 12th month of 1718 Old Style (with > > March as the first month). Thus, this would be Feb., the last > > month of 1718 using Old Style. Or if you were using New Style, > > it would be Feb of 1719. (Which is why the 2 years are shown.) > > Thus, it appears that their month numbering was Old Style. > > > > Furthermore, I noticed several dates of 2-30-xxxx. In other words, > > the 30th day of the 2nd month. Thus, again it appears that > > this was Old Style because the 2nd month Old Style is April > > (which has 30 days) while the 2nd month New Style is Feb, > > which only has 28 (or 29). > > > So, it appears that the 9th month above was Nov (Old Style), then > > followed by December, and then starting in Jan 1752 they were on > > New Style. Exactly as the English did. > > > > So, in conclusion, it appears to me that these records are Old Style > > before 1752 and New Style beginning Jan 1752. So, if you wish to > > convert numbered months to named months (eg. to compare with other > > sources) you need to start counting at March or January as > > appropriate when using these records. (Of course, you would > > want to record, as well, the record as written with the numbered > > month.) > > > > I am curious if others have come to the same conclusion about which named > months correspond to the numbered months in these records. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank email with only the word unsubscribe in > > the Subject and Body fields, with no signature file, etc., to: > > [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Transcribe Graves, Lookup Data Online, Lookup Data in Publications > Visit Historical Societies, Go to Libraries and FHC Centers, Take Photos > of Appropriate Houses, Stones, Highway Markers, etc. We will love it! > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.

Does this have anything to do with VanBebber? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=420861148 Vince -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.

Hi I just signed up for your "original 13", and Vincent Summers asked me to REPOST my message or entry for this link number?? My wife's family is a direct line from Jan Luckens (which I'm proud of !! I have a good knowlege of Germantown & Montgomery County History. Thank you, Gene Schneider & wife Jeanne Lukens Schneider (Abraham Line)...

I am not sure exactly what you are asking but the calendar in use in the British Empire until September 1752 (the change was not made on January 1, 1752) was the Julian Calendar (aka Old Style). In that September, the Empire changed to the Gregorian Calendar (New Style), which we still use today. For part of the time that the British Empire used the Julian Calendar, many countries in Europe were using the new Gregorian Calendar so, very often, dates were written to include both calendars, thus giving the double years in some dates. In the Julian Calendar, March was the first month. In the Gregorian Calendar, January is the first month. The Quakers used the same calendar as the Empire used. However, the Quakers never used the names of the days or the months because these names were based on Paganism. Thus, Sunday was the first day and Saturday was the seventh day. This nomenclature is still in use. When the British Empire changed to the Gregorian Calendar, the Quakers also changed but they still did not use the names of the months. So, the first month changed from March to January. As genealogists, we should never, if possible, change the Quaker custom to include the names of the months. People have been doing this for a long time in their genealogies and have caused great confusion. If you must use the name of the month, then include the number somewhere in a note. A further note, in the British Empire, September 2, 1752 (Wednesday) was followed by September 14, 1752 (Thursday) because along with changing the first month of the year, the Gregorian Calendar had a correction in the dates because the Julian Calendar was 11 days off from the true year. You will never, in primary documents, find any date of September 3-13, 1752. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Old Style or New Style for Quaker dates > By Old Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the > year begins on 25 March. Thus, March is the 1st month, April is the > 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 10th month, January the 11th, > and Feb becomes the 12th month. > > By New Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the > year begins on 1 Jan (like we do now). Thus, Jan is the 1st month, > Feb is the 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 12th month. > > For more info on this, see: > http://www.genfair.com/dates.htm > > I have lately been looking through the early Abington and Gwynedd > Friends Monthly Meeting records (LDS films #0,383,428 and 0,388,439 > respectively). > > The Quakers seemed to prefer to refer to months almost entirely by > using their number. Thus, you see an event on the 3rd month, say. > So, the question in this case is, Is that March or May? > The answer, of course, is that it depends on whether they are using > Old Style or New Style. . > > However, in looking through them, I noticed an interesting thing. > Many of the times when an event was in the 11th or 12th month, > they would use "double dates" for the year. (This, also, is > discussed on the above web site.) Thus I found: 12-24-1718/19. > This is interpreted as the 12th month of 1718 Old Style (with > March as the first month). Thus, this would be Feb., the last > month of 1718 using Old Style. Or if you were using New Style, > it would be Feb of 1719. (Which is why the 2 years are shown.) > Thus, it appears that their month numbering was Old Style. > > Furthermore, I noticed several dates of 2-30-xxxx. In other words, > the 30th day of the 2nd month. Thus, again it appears that > this was Old Style because the 2nd month Old Style is April > (which has 30 days) while the 2nd month New Style is Feb, > which only has 28 (or 29). > So, it appears that the 9th month above was Nov (Old Style), then > followed by December, and then starting in Jan 1752 they were on > New Style. Exactly as the English did. > > So, in conclusion, it appears to me that these records are Old Style > before 1752 and New Style beginning Jan 1752. So, if you wish to > convert numbered months to named months (eg. to compare with other > sources) you need to start counting at March or January as > appropriate when using these records. (Of course, you would > want to record, as well, the record as written with the numbered > month.) > > I am curious if others have come to the same conclusion about which named months correspond to the numbered months in these records. > > Regards, > Howard > [email protected] > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe by sending a blank email with only the word unsubscribe in > the Subject and Body fields, with no signature file, etc., to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi all, By Old Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the year begins on 25 March. Thus, March is the 1st month, April is the 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 10th month, January the 11th, and Feb becomes the 12th month. By New Style, I mean a calendar or a system of dating in which the year begins on 1 Jan (like we do now). Thus, Jan is the 1st month, Feb is the 2nd month and so on until Dec becomes the 12th month. For more info on this, see: http://www.genfair.com/dates.htm I have lately been looking through the early Abington and Gwynedd Friends Monthly Meeting records (LDS films #0,383,428 and 0,388,439 respectively). The Quakers seemed to prefer to refer to months almost entirely by using their number. Thus, you see an event on the 3rd month, say. So, the question in this case is, Is that March or May? The answer, of course, is that it depends on whether they are using Old Style or New Style. I should mention here that England used Old Style until they switched to new style starting with 1 Jan 1752. While according to the above web site, Germany and The Netherlands had switched to New Style by 1583. Based on this difference of what was being used in Europe, it was not clear to me at the start which system the above Friends records would be using before 1752. However, in looking through them, I noticed an interesting thing. Many of the times when an event was in the 11th or 12th month, they would use "double dates" for the year. (This, also, is discussed on the above web site.) Thus I found: 12-24-1718/19. This is interpreted as the 12th month of 1718 Old Style (with March as the first month). Thus, this would be Feb., the last month of 1718 using Old Style. Or if you were using New Style, it would be Feb of 1719. (Which is why the 2 years are shown.) Thus, it appears that their month numbering was Old Style. Furthermore, I noticed several dates of 2-30-xxxx. In other words, the 30th day of the 2nd month. Thus, again it appears that this was Old Style because the 2nd month Old Style is April (which has 30 days) while the 2nd month New Style is Feb, which only has 28 (or 29). Lastly, in the Gwynedd records I found the following sequence of dates for their monthly meetings: 9 - 26 - 1751 Dec 31 - 1751 28th day of the 1st mo. called January 1752 2 - 25 - 1752 31st of 3rd mo. (March) 1752 So, it appears that the 9th month above was Nov (Old Style), then followed by December, and then starting in Jan 1752 they were on New Style. Exactly as the English did. So, in conclusion, it appears to me that these records are Old Style before 1752 and New Style beginning Jan 1752. So, if you wish to convert numbered months to named months (eg. to compare with other sources) you need to start counting at March or January as appropriate when using these records. (Of course, you would want to record, as well, the record as written with the numbered month.) I am curious if others have come to the same conclusion about which named months correspond to the numbered months in these records. Regards, Howard [email protected]

Hi All! This is Repitisious spelled that wrong.. But Mr Stackhouse, and Eric C. and Also Vince, have VALUABLE skills and have been patient enough to teach me things that i am slow at learning... And they are Great Assets to all of us.. Although I have been doing this , MOSTLY on Paper... I will NEVER EVER Know it ALL.. I am Familiar with Old World naming Patterns, Also about How to Read and Pronounce Names, and EVERYTHING was so Correct, Eric and Gene Said about, How many different was WRITTEN WORDS, and SPOKEN words have Been SOOO often not EXACT.. but too many people I KNOW are dismissing the thought of a SPELLING change or even Old historical records, that like Eric said are INCORRECT. anyone on this list has been to my page, or read a Query I post.. I think it is KEY FOR Everyone who REALLY cares about Genealogy and not filling a Software program, from books and things.. Like I have on my page and emails, and many other's who do work Genealogy " by the Book " if you will, understand, that ANYTHING Online, on LDS Pages, and on any record you Glean information from... IT is up to the Person doing thier own Research to VERIFY the information.. Yes, the old Fashioned way.. By hand and paper and stamps.. A Great Example that Deals Directly with this group is Jill Hurd's Work and BOOK on the Luckens Family.. but there where errors due to many different reasons, but that IN NO WAY makes Jill uncredible.. If you REALLY want to Be in Genealogy, and I guess even at my age, Eric reffering to Youngsters are all knowing the fact that you can not Create a line because someone has the same name, and you would Presumme maybe the date is wrong.. With all the Maria Magdalena's, Elizebeths, Johans ect... They are EVERYWHERE, In hundreds of years of paper work, just because the name may match, Does NOT mean it is the same person.. Another thing that was not said is, a child being born.... sometimes died after they where given a name, and there may be no Death date for Baby 1 but then you see another child with the same name.. IS EITHER HUMAN ERROR from working on software, But the parents almost always named the next child of that sex, the SAME NAME as Baby1... Exact Reason why once you have information... YOU HAVE to back it up with Proof YOURSELF.. Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

There is a large published genealogy of the Comly Family which may have some information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 1:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Mary Buzby Harper, Robert, Nathan & Shoemaker connection Any information on Nathan Harper of Abington, Pa. who from 1813-1815 was a Managaer at the Friends' Asylum for the Insane in Frankford? His parents Mary Buzby Harper and Robert Harper who died 1765. A sentence in the "Descendants of Thomas French" book indicates Isaac Buzby, descendant of William and Richard, conveyed land for the Asylum in 1813. I have a Benjamin Harper (no dates) who married Amy Shoemaker b. 1761, d/o Benjamin Shoemaker 1727-1811 and Mary Comly 1731-1793. Mary d/o Robert Comly and Jane Cadwallader. Thanks, Lea Buzby ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== LaVere LUKENS has about 14 stamps of the Concord still available to any one who wants one. They are not expensive. Contact him if you want one, at: [email protected] This offer will be withdrawn at his notice. ============================== Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Any information on Nathan Harper of Abington, Pa. who from 1813-1815 was a Managaer at the Friends' Asylum for the Insane in Frankford? His parents Mary Buzby Harper and Robert Harper who died 1765. A sentence in the "Descendants of Thomas French" book indicates Isaac Buzby, descendant of William and Richard, conveyed land for the Asylum in 1813. I have a Benjamin Harper (no dates) who married Amy Shoemaker b. 1761, d/o Benjamin Shoemaker 1727-1811 and Mary Comly 1731-1793. Mary d/o Robert Comly and Jane Cadwallader. Thanks, Lea Buzby

I have Henry b 3rd mo, 4th day 1702 who mar Ann Harker 5.16.1735. Children: Elizabeth, James, Margaret Cathy Berger ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Hunsicker <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Henry Tyson, son of Reiner > Hi group, > > I really appreciated the will of Reiner Teissen that passed through the Orig. 13 lately. I have a question. My data has no information on Reiner's son Henry, do any of you? > > Susan Hunsicker > [email protected] > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Parts of the old Listbot Original 13 Archives are available as zipped > files, with more to come. Please contact Vince Summers to > receive these .html letters. About 1100 of over 2000 are available now! > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi.... Time to Ask a Question, I think I missed someting BIG! Mary d/o Robert Comly and Jane Cadwallader. I thought that Cadwallader Changed to ROBERTS? Because of a Robert Cadwallder??? I got the ussumtion when we were on List bought... I say Assumtion Only because I thought we went through this. Looks like somehow I goofed? Any help? Thanks Cali PS.. I am sure MOST people already have this done correcly so I do not have a Problem with being told what is what at my [email protected] since the list looks like it's moving well again, I don't want anyone's Good streak being bogged down by something I missed months ago.. Thanks So Much... Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

There are also some Toomes (Tomes) and Tyson's there. B.K. (Bruno) & Shirley Uptagrafft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent E. Summers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Edward V. STREEPER > Not much here, but in searching for one of my lines, I found mention > of this Edward V. STREEPER: > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/delaware/cemeteries/middleprescem01.t xt > > Vince > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please write simple Thank You's to anyone who helps you. It's not > even bad to say You're Welcome, either! > Also, from me to you, THANK YOU for being such a great group! -- VES. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >