You are welcome. Nice to meet a new cousin I hope that my webpage helps you and others. Janet Ariciu ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Hi Gang! > Whoa!! Thank you. I too am a descendant of Weigart Levering, and Heinrich > Frey. There is much information for me on your web page. Thank you so much > for posting this. I too am new to this list. Yvonne > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Keep your Anti-Virus Software up-to-date. Beware unidentified email > attachments. De-activate features that run HTML automatically. > ++++++++++++++ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I just when to webpage Cousin. .1.1.1a.1 Alice (Aeltie) TUNES ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1-1691/2 Death: bef Dec 1732 Spouse: Jacob LEVERING Birth: 21 Jan 1693, Roxborough Pa Death: Oct 1753, Whitpaine Pa Father: Wigard LEVERING (~1649-1745) Mother: Magdalena BOKERS (~1650-1717) Marr: 2 Feb 1717 Wigard Levering and Magdalena Bokers are my Ancestor. I join the DAMES with this family Their daughter Anna Catherine m'd Heinrich Frey here is my webpage on them www.geocities.com/janet_ariciu Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tennis" <bondoutdt@yahoo.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Hi Gang! > > I just joined your group as I believe I am a decendant of one of the "original 13". I am just starting this genealogy thing so bare with me. Abraham Tunes was one of the original 13 and I found some valuable info if anyone is interested in tracking his linage. Maybe it is old news to you folks but thought I would share it. I found it on Rootsweb.com. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dynamo53/tunis.htm explains how Tunes was later changed to Tennis and that is my last name. I started with this info and tracked the Tennis's accross PA and into Iowa where I was born. I am missing a couple of links in the middle but if I can connect I will be able to go 16 generations back to Abraham Tunes. Like I said I have just started but am stubborn and can use any help that I can get. My dad died not knowing where the Tennis's came from and I have set out to find the truth. If this is reliable (I believe it is) then I at least answered that question. Glad to be part of your group a! > nd will take any suggestions that are offered as I want to finish up before my last Uncle passes on. > > Looking forward to hearing from any of you. > > Dave Tennis > > Indianapolis, Indiana > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please do not post just general Philadelphia information, but material > that is relevant to the 13 settling families of Germantown, PA, and > their descendant lines. Anything on these is A-OK. Thanks... > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I just joined your group as I believe I am a decendant of one of the "original 13". I am just starting this genealogy thing so bare with me. Abraham Tunes was one of the original 13 and I found some valuable info if anyone is interested in tracking his linage. Maybe it is old news to you folks but thought I would share it. I found it on Rootsweb.com. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dynamo53/tunis.htm explains how Tunes was later changed to Tennis and that is my last name. I started with this info and tracked the Tennis's accross PA and into Iowa where I was born. I am missing a couple of links in the middle but if I can connect I will be able to go 16 generations back to Abraham Tunes. Like I said I have just started but am stubborn and can use any help that I can get. My dad died not knowing where the Tennis's came from and I have set out to find the truth. If this is reliable (I believe it is) then I at least answered that question. Glad to be part of your group a! nd will take any suggestions that are offered as I want to finish up before my last Uncle passes on. Looking forward to hearing from any of you. Dave Tennis Indianapolis, Indiana --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

I got caught in the midwest last weekend during the snowstorm and just made it back to the East coast and my email and saw the two posts. Are these as a result of my inquiry as to an actual place called Pennsylvania Barracks which is listed as the birthplace of my ancestor Edward Uptegrove on his Revolutionary War enlistment sign-up? I can assure Erik that "Barracks" is quite legible but that Pennsylvania is not and that is what I am questioning because I have been told that is what the translation is but since I have been unable to find such a place I am not using Pennsylvania Barracks as a factual birthplace. I am endeavoring to find someone with "knowledge" of the area and era to point me in the right direction so that I may continue my quest to find the documentation I need. I am not looking for short cuts or microwave genealogy as I have done quite well in proving and having 3 separate lines accepted by the Mayflower Society. Can anyone help me with Pennsylvania Barracks? Judy

AMEN TO THAT, Erik. I recall that it took me 15 years to identify one family member that I found in an overgrown Ohio cemetery. But what a thrill when I discovered her identity in Civil War pension records. Earl DeHaven ----- Original Message ----- From: <EConard1@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Barracks Co., PA > good detective work, Lois. Bucks Co is likely....one of the things our new > copier/ > genies do not do is read carefully and do their homework. I am sorry, but I > am getting a sour gizzard about 'short cut' and 'microwave' genealogy. > Erik P Conard >

good detective work, Lois. Bucks Co is likely....one of the things our new copier/ genies do not do is read carefully and do their homework. I am sorry, but I am getting a sour gizzard about 'short cut' and 'microwave' genealogy. Erik P Conard

I think that maybe someone along the line mispronounced the name and spelled it incorrectly. It makes more sense that it was Bucks Co., PA. Lois Bires

Cathy Berger wrote: >You are the third person who has mentioned the PA Barracks. Years ago I >tried to find information on that for a correspondent. I still think it was >probably the Carlisle Barracks, but have no affirmation. I see that you >have a ? by the name. Apparently it was definitely a place. Why don't you >write to The PA State Archives and see if they can identify it for you. I >didn't try there. Ask for Jonathan Stayer. > > > > > Edward Uptegroves b. 1739 Pennsylvia Barracks (?) Co., PA m. Sarah > > >Lewis > > Carlisle Barracks is the oldest military installation in continuous service...... but think its earliest date is from about 1755 during the French and Indian Wars. 1740 ish a bit early..... Cumberland County was formed in 1750 from Lancaster.... and there were certainly some people in that area from the late 1720's.... The name for Carlisle was not picked until about 1751 when the town was laid out.... may have been "in the mill" a short while before that date..... http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/pa/1pa/1picts/frontierforts/frontierforts.htm may be of some help.....

You are the third person who has mentioned the PA Barracks. Years ago I tried to find information on that for a correspondent. I still think it was probably the Carlisle Barracks, but have no affirmation. I see that you have a ? by the name. Apparently it was definitely a place. Why don't you write to The PA State Archives and see if they can identify it for you. I didn't try there. Ask for Jonathan Stayer. I am still looking for proof that Deborah was a Van Bibber!!! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <MLATCLEM@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] roll call names > I descend from Herman Isaaks Op Den Graeff b. 1642 in Krefeld, Germany d. > Nov. 13, 1704 m. Lisbet Van Bebber (1st wife), then Deborah Van Bebber (2nd > wife - my direct line). > > Isaac Op Den Graeff b. 1693 Germantown, PA m. Rachel Linton > > Edward Uptegroves b. 1739 Pennsylvia Barracks (?) Co., PA m. Sarah Lewis > > Mary (Molly) Uptegroves b. bef. 1770 PA m. Humphrey Wells b. 1755 in > Philadelphia, PA d. 1824 Rutherford Co., NC > > John Leland Wells b. May 31, 1801 Rutherford Co., NC m. Malinda Neely > (My 2nd great-grandparents) > > Martha in North Carolina > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Visit Our Homepage (Thanks, Liese Ade-Uptegrove for this!) at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ > Images, a facsimile signature of Thones Kunders, history, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I know your Gertrud is not a descendant of Thones Kunders, and hope this helps you some....Good luck, Erik P Conard -- Denver

Hi, I also descend from Hherman Op Den Graeff and his wife grietje Pletjes; Isaac Op Den Graeff and Greitijen Peters; Abraham Isaac Op Den Graeff and Caatherina jansen; Gertien Op Den Graeff and Richard Addams. I have noticed numerous Conrad(s) or similiar spellings. I have Gertrut Conrads who maried Arnold Kuster (Kuesters) 24 Jun 1691 in the Reformed Church in Krefeld, Germany. I believe she died before 1700 as I can not find her in PA after Arnold immigrates. Anyone have any info? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03

My name is Kathleen Burnett and I am your new List Mom. I want to take a moment and let you know who I am and a little about myself and how I work as a Mailing List Mom. I am a mother of 4 and grandmother of 9.8. I work outside of the home during the day. I am a list Mom to several other Mailing Lists. I am very actively involved in my own family research. I am a hands on List Mom, meaning I keep track of what is going on with the mailing list and if you are ever in need of me during the day, while at work, you can reach me at Kathleen.Burnett@era.com - in the evenings or on Sunday I can be reached at KathleenBurnett@earthlink.net My goal for your list is to keep it a safe place for you to research post and share information regarding the ORIGINAL-13. Safe meaning a place where you are not subject to postings other than posting related to the subject of the list. For your information, the ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List has 288 members, 191 of these are subscribed to the Regular List and 97 to the Digest List. I have very few rules on my lists, the main one is to treat your fellow members as you would like to be treated, Roll Calls will be called only by me, and most likely never on this list, and the posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact me, KathleenBurnett@earthlink.net If you would like to visit the archived messages for this list you may go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com and type in ORIGINAL-13. From there you can search by date. There is a great Rootsweb site, Password Central, you can go to if you want to find out what Rootsweb lists you are a member of or need to unsubscribe from a list, just follow the instructions. http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ I wish for each of you a success with your most difficult genealogical mystery and I look forward to getting to know you. Kathleen Burnett List Mom

I am new at this - so please excuse my novice ways... My line is listed below. I am wondering if anyone has any information that 1. Might show an error in what my family believes is true 2. Can add any dates or information about any of the names I have listed - especially on the female (non Lukens) side 3. If we share the same line and you have photos or burial sites that you could send me I would really appreciate it Thank you 1. Wilhelm Lucken d1597 Dahlen, Germany 2h Johann Lucken b1595-d1638 aka Luyken (Dahlen, Germany 2w Beatrix (Boetzgen) Ther Mehr (possible duaghter of Bartholomeus TerMeer 3h Wilhelm Janson Lucken b1620-d1695 3w Adelheid (Alet or Aeltgen) Oettgenoeltgen 4h Jan Johannes Lucken b 1655 Dahlen, Crefeld Germany arrived on the CONCORD 1683 to GermanTown PA 4w Mary Tyson (Marie Theisson) b 1660 Krefeld 5h William L Lukens 1688 - 1740 5w Elizabeth Tyson 1690-1765 6h William Lukens 1713-1803 6w Martha Pennington ?-1750 7h Williams Lukens 1742-1767 7w Rachel Kenderdine 1747 - ? 8h Williams Lukens 1763-1854 8w Mary Nelson 9h Asahel Lukens 1804-1856 9w Susanna Mace ?-1843 10h Asahel Lukens, Jr 1833-1913 10w Priscilla Trego 1834-1918 11h Harry Ellsworth Lukens 1860-1936 11w Jane Magazine Dreese 1860-1925 12 w Emma Lukens 1885 - 1958 12h Frederick Hartz 13h Henry Lukens Hartz 1911 - 1958 13w Alice Jane Klucker 1916 - present 14 w Kathryn Louise Hartz (me) (former maiden name) Thanks so much Kathryn Beard

As you know, I feel it is the time to turn this list (which I may say has a number of its original subscribers from 5 or 7 years or so ago!) over to other hands. Kathleen Burnett has agreed to take on the responsibilities of this list. I have assured her it is a fine list of capable persons. I do know you folks take your data seriously and have done so, in a number of instances, for decades -- whenever possible "laying your hands (or at least your eyes) upon original documents, etc. Some of you have gone overseas in the pursuit of such. There are premier databases to be found among a number of those subscribed to this list. I won't get too deeply into matters, but suffice it to say, some of you will remember when this list was not even a Rootsweb list at all (a few of you probably wish it still wasn't, but we won't go there). In fact, I forget the original server name... It was a small list. First 1, then 2, 3, a small handful, etc., growing and growing in a fairly short period of time. The oddest thing of all is that my concept of the list was only only a mere mental sketch, and I had no idea how popular a topic it really was. In fact, I am one of the least qualified to have formed such a list, as my connection is really quite slim! Its formation was closely tied in with Robert James Hardie, now deceased. You who are the oldtimers of this list will remember that. He wanted his data to go online. He died very shortly before he was to gain computer access for the first time in his life. After the growth came along nicely, a homepage was added by Liese Uptegrove Ade (and a fine one it is -- visit it if you have not already, at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ ) It now is a healthy, mid-sized list of about 300 members. I leave the list administration with Kathleen, but not because of problems or discontentedness... Doubtless, Kathleen will soon introduce herself to you folks. My best to you, Vince Summers

Before Kathleen Burnett "introduces" herself to the list I would like to say that I subscribe to other lists that Kathleen has and she has always been a helpful "list mom". Welcome, Kathleen. Now, Vince, will you continue to be a subscriber? You have been so helpful to me in the past that I don't want to "lose you" altogether <grin>. Good luck in your future endeavors, what ever they may be. Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Your New List Administrator > As you know, I feel it is the time to turn this list (which I may say > has a number of its original subscribers from 5 or 7 years or so ago!) > over to other hands. > > Kathleen Burnett has agreed to take on the responsibilities of this > list. I have assured her it is a fine list of capable persons. I > do know you folks take your data seriously and have done so, in a > number of instances, for decades -- whenever possible "laying your > hands (or at least your eyes) upon original documents, etc. Some of > you have gone overseas in the pursuit of such. There are premier > databases to be found among a number of those subscribed to this > list. > > I won't get too deeply into matters, but suffice it to say, some of > you will remember when this list was not even a Rootsweb list at all > (a few of you probably wish it still wasn't, but we won't go there). > In fact, I forget the original server name... It was a small list. > First 1, then 2, 3, a small handful, etc., growing and growing in a > fairly short period of time. > > The oddest thing of all is that my concept of the list was only > only a mere mental sketch, and I had no idea how popular a topic it > really was. In fact, I am one of the least qualified to have formed > such a list, as my connection is really quite slim! Its formation > was closely tied in with Robert James Hardie, now deceased. You who > are the oldtimers of this list will remember that. He wanted his > data to go online. He died very shortly before he was to gain > computer access for the first time in his life. > > After the growth came along nicely, a homepage was added by Liese > Uptegrove Ade (and a fine one it is -- visit it if you have not > already, at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ ) > > It now is a healthy, mid-sized list of about 300 members. I leave > the list administration with Kathleen, but not because of problems > or discontentedness... > > Doubtless, Kathleen will soon introduce herself to you folks. > > My best to you, > > Vince Summers > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Transcribe Graves, Lookup Data Online, Lookup Data in Publications > Visit Historical Societies, Go to Libraries and courthouses. Take Photos > documents, stones, artifacts, etc. We will love it! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

There are a number of people working on this group of Updegroves. Try to contact Liese Updegraff. I can give you names of others. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Alspach" <juliealspach@wideopenwest.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Uptegrove > I am trying to build my Uptegrove/Uptegraph/Op Den Graeff line back to the > original settlers. > I am researching the UpdeGrove/Updegraeff/OpdenGraeff line. I am looking for > any updegrove's that went to New York from possibly NJ. Specifically William > Updegrove b. 1780 ish d. 1833 in Clarence, Erie Co., NY. According to the > Clarence history on the web site William came to Clarence in 1801. I am > looking for his family. He possibly had a brother named Richard. Possible > the son of Peter UPdegrove ( b. abt.1755 d. 1830 in Vernon Twp., Sussex Co., > NJ) and Catherina Bockoven/Backoven. Richard moved on the Wallkill, Orange > Co., NY. > William's family moved on to Genesee Co., Mi in 1840. My husband is > descendant from his daughter Cornelia Ann Updegraff Russell. We live in the > next county from where they originally settled. > Any help would be a god send. Thank you!!! > Julie Alspach > MI > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Beware of Requests from Strangers asking you to +PHONE+ Them! Unless > you wish to be charged thousands of dollars in phone costs, do not > respond! They will appeal to you on the basis of Greed... > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am trying to build my Uptegrove/Uptegraph/Op Den Graeff line back to the original settlers. I am researching the UpdeGrove/Updegraeff/OpdenGraeff line. I am looking for any updegrove's that went to New York from possibly NJ. Specifically William Updegrove b. 1780 ish d. 1833 in Clarence, Erie Co., NY. According to the Clarence history on the web site William came to Clarence in 1801. I am looking for his family. He possibly had a brother named Richard. Possible the son of Peter UPdegrove ( b. abt.1755 d. 1830 in Vernon Twp., Sussex Co., NJ) and Catherina Bockoven/Backoven. Richard moved on the Wallkill, Orange Co., NY. William's family moved on to Genesee Co., Mi in 1840. My husband is descendant from his daughter Cornelia Ann Updegraff Russell. We live in the next county from where they originally settled. Any help would be a god send. Thank you!!! Julie Alspach MI

Lois I have 6 generations beyond Wilhelm. These are George , Jr. 1620-1678, m Marie Hagerhoff, 1619-?; Georgius, 1595-1661; Conrad, 1560-?; Balthaser, 1525-1576; Henry Nicholas, 1505-1564; Phillip Maximillian ?. Steve ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: TQTIPWIGYO Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:39 PM To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Roll Call - Rittenhouse The early people also tie into the Konders/Conrad line. William Rittenhouse married Gertrude Peters Elizabeth Rittenhouse married Heivert Papen (Germantown) Elizabeth Papen married Jan Jansen (of Salford) Maria Jansen married Nicholas Rerig (Rearick) (Harleysville) John Rarick married Regina Kaemmer (Harleysville, PA) and then ?? Ten years lost from about 1778 until they turn up in general area of Hagerstown, MD, or southern PA. Peter Rearick married Elizabeth Beer (Cowanshannock Twp., Armstrong Co., PA) William H. Rarie married Nancy Anna Grove (Groff) Benson J. Rarie married Gertrude Young etc. I'm curious as to how many generations there are behind William Rittenhouse which can be verified. Lois Bires ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== Beware of Requests from Strangers asking you to +PHONE+ Them! Unless you wish to be charged thousands of dollars in phone costs, do not respond! They will appeal to you on the basis of Greed... ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Vince Sorry to hear you cannot continue. I think you are doing an excellent job . Steve ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRT Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:18 PM To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] An Invitation... Folks, As some of you know, some 5 to 7 years ago I formed an email list based on the 13 original founding families of Germantown, Pennsylvania. This topic was not something new. The odd thing is I don't know how I personally stumbled upon it, myself. Still, I did. I have had much pleasure in it. It was originally not a Rootsweb list. I was invited to make it a Rootsweb list. It seemed the logical thing to do. To do otherwise seemed to me seeking my own selfish interests rather than those of the others... I now find myself in the situation of inviting someone else to take over this list. It cannot be merely the one with the most interest in the subjects. It cannot merely be the one most capable as a list manager. It must be someone with talents somewhere in-between. I am not the most knowledgeable nor the most talented on this list. There are others much more knowledgeable. There are others much more talented. Please let me know if you are interested in taking charge of this list. I promise nothing to anyone. Yet, I expect I will turn it over to someone who is currently subscribed. I will notify the list, certainly, of my final choice... Yours, Vince Summers List Admin ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== Visit Our Homepage (Thanks, Liese Ade-Uptegrove for this!) at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Images, a facsimile signature of Thones Kunders, history, etc. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Folks, As some of you know, some 5 to 7 years ago I formed an email list based on the 13 original founding families of Germantown, Pennsylvania. This topic was not something new. The odd thing is I don't know how I personally stumbled upon it, myself. Still, I did. I have had much pleasure in it. It was originally not a Rootsweb list. I was invited to make it a Rootsweb list. It seemed the logical thing to do. To do otherwise seemed to me seeking my own selfish interests rather than those of the others... I now find myself in the situation of inviting someone else to take over this list. It cannot be merely the one with the most interest in the subjects. It cannot merely be the one most capable as a list manager. It must be someone with talents somewhere in-between. I am not the most knowledgeable nor the most talented on this list. There are others much more knowledgeable. There are others much more talented. Please let me know if you are interested in taking charge of this list. I promise nothing to anyone. Yet, I expect I will turn it over to someone who is currently subscribed. I will notify the list, certainly, of my final choice... Yours, Vince Summers List Admin