Re: the 1852 Pioneers.... There really has been some interesting discussion about getting over or "around the Willamette Falls", but some of you are missing the point, as I did initially. The statement was the following (real below), and the question should be "from Astoria or The Dalles?" I opt for The Dalles, unless the pioneer took a ship from the East around Cape Horn up to Astoria, and then a steamboat to Portland??? The key word here is the Columbia River (per the DLC), not the Willamette River. LYLETH WINTHER "came down the Columbia River on the steamboat "Multnomah" reaching Portland 22 Oct 1852