Because it is August... There will be no Illinois Interest meeting this month. We hope to have everyone back in September! Kristy et al
Jim Morrow is looking for a mail person to help with the processing and mailing of "The Forum Insider", and the GFO "Bulletin". Duties include folding and taping the Insider and delivering it to Metropolitan Presort. The process for the Bulletin is printing and attaching the address labels, bundling into groups by zip code and preparing for delivery to the post office. If interested, please call GFO, (503) 963-1932, and leave a message for Jim.
The indexing of the US 1940 Census is completed in less than four months.There are no states available for the 1940 Census indexing project. I finished up some of New Jersey today. To get to my next goal of 30,000 records I downloaded Puerto Rico 1940 Census records which are in Spanish. I have a week to finish those seven so I will slow down and get some other work done. FamilySearch posted that they expect to take at least 3-4 weeks to get all of the states posted online. Rhode Island is now available.
Not to beat a dead horse on this issue- just wanted to share. My grandfather was born abt 1880 in Corvallis, Benton, OR. He was #8 in a large family of Oregon pioneer parents. He lied about his age for years and really didn't know for sure how old he was. Some of his siblings were almost a generation older. When it came time to deal with Social Security, they had a heck of a time figuring out how old he was and it took notorized statements from others to compile evidence to determine the date that would be used from that time forward. The best part is that he was born on the 4th of July! Patti
At 04:40 PM 7/29/2012 -0700, Jeremy Millard wrote: Ã Even the birth date of the draft card is considered primary for the simple fact that the person filled it out their self and they should know their own birthday and place. Secondly, on each draft card, it says I affirm that I have verified above answers and that they are true, followed by their signature. In this case I agree to disagree lol. btw, even in birth records which is primary, there can be errors, just like the draft cards. The main purpose of primary and secondary sources is so you know how reliable the info. is. Jeremy Actually, as was pointed out, you must rely on the information furnished by others for your date of birth. Although you were present, your firsthand memory of that event is not reliable. Nedra
Judi, You are correct in that it is the information that is primary (first-hand) or secondary (second-hand). As an explanation of what I mean, Historians use the terms primary source and secondary source to describe their sources, and a primary source is the original compilation. The thought is that the original will be the most accurate because no one has meddled with it. Genealogists know that things don't work that way. A tombstone can be an original source, but the information is likely to contain gross errors. Thus, the genealogical world has shifted to looking at who provided the information, whether they had possession of the facts, whether they had a reason to tell the truth or not, whether they were sane, etc. Those informants provide first hand (primary) and second hand) secondary information. Every document (source) that genealogists use contains information, and almost every document contains a mixture of first hand (primary) and second hand (secondary) information. Sometimes we can't determine who provided the information, and we can't assign the terms, primary or secondary. Then the information is undetermined. As an example, except for the 1940 census, we can't tell who provided census information. It could be the twelve-year-old child who was left at home to take care of the children while her parents were working in the fields. As an experiment, find a twelve-year-old and ask them where their parents were born and how old they were. The results may be scary. Conscientious genealogists look at the information and analyze it to see if it was possible that the informant had primary or secondary knowledge of the event. In the case of birth information, the only people who have primary knowledge are those who participate in the birth. Now, the child participates in the event, but the child isn't aware of the facts. Their knowledge comes from what someone tells them later. It's secondary information. What this means for genealogists is that we never depend upon only one source. As Tom Jones says, "All sources lie." We conduct an exhaustive search for all documents (sources) that were created around an event and analyze the information. I found five different birth dates for my grandfather, and all came from what a person would consider reliable sources. I found two different birth places for my grandmother, and the wrong one came from an official document. Connie Lenzen ________________________________ ________________________________ From: "RB5522@aol.com" <RB5522@aol.com> To: jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com Cc: rb5522@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card Sorry Jeremy but I disagree. While some of the information on a Draft Registration may be primary, such as the registrants address, occupation and other current information, birth information is not. It's not the document itself, but the information it contains that is considered. From the BCG website at http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld085.html "A piece of information is primary when it is recorded by a knowledgeable eyewitness or participant in that event, or by an official whose duties require him or her to make an accurate record of the event when it occurs. Secondary information is supplied by someone who was not at the event and may include errors caused by memory loss or influenced by other parties who may have a bias or be under emotional stress. It is not at all unusual for documents to contain a combination of primary and secondary information. Examples include death records, tombstones, pension records, marriage applications, etc. ..." Judi Scott "Puzzles of the Past" http://puzzlesofthepast.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 7/29/2012 3:19:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com writes: These cards are considered primary source >evidence because they were filled out by the individual himself. A secondary source is death, funeral, cemetery records, etc. because the info. was given by others and not the individual that it concerns. > > > >Jeremy > > > >________________________________ >From: Roy Katschke <RKatschke@comcast.net> >To: 'Jeremy Millard' <jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com>; 'II Keller' <kelleri00@hotmail.com>; orforum@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:40 PM >Subject: RE: [GFO] World War I Registration card > >I always thought of a "Primary Source" as a source that was created at the time of the event by a witness to the event. While the person filling out the draft card was most likely present at the time of his birth I'm not sure I'd consider him a credible "witness". And, the draft card is not being filled out at the time of his birth. Relative to the birth information I would not consider a draft card a "primary source". > >There is other information on draft cards, such as his address, with whom he is living, place of work, etc., that could be considered primary source information. > >Roy > >-----Original Message----- >From: orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Millard >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:35 PM >To: II Keller; orforum@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card > >Should be very accurate, since whoever the draft card is for, was the person filling it out. It is considered a primary source. > > >Jeremy > > > >________________________________ >From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> >To: orforum@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:20 PM >Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card > > > > > > > >How >accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s >birthdate and birthplace? > > >Thank you. >Irene > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Even the birth date of the draft card is considered primary for the simple fact that the person filled it out their self and they should know their own birthday and place. Secondly, on each draft card, it says I affirm that I have verified above answers and that they are true, followed by their signature. In this case I agree to disagree lol. btw, even in birth records which is primary, there can be errors, just like the draft cards. The main purpose of primary and secondary sources is so you know how reliable the info. is. Jeremy ________________________________ From: "RB5522@aol.com" <RB5522@aol.com> To: jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com Cc: rb5522@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card Sorry Jeremy but I disagree. While some of the information on a Draft Registration may be primary, such as the registrants address, occupation and other current information, birth information is not. It's not the document itself, but the information it contains that is considered. From the BCG website at http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld085.html "A piece of information is primary when it is recorded by a knowledgeable eyewitness or participant in that event, or by an official whose duties require him or her to make an accurate record of the event when it occurs. Secondary information is supplied by someone who was not at the event and may include errors caused by memory loss or influenced by other parties who may have a bias or be under emotional stress. It is not at all unusual for documents to contain a combination of primary and secondary information. Examples include death records, tombstones, pension records, marriage applications, etc. ..." Judi Scott "Puzzles of the Past" http://puzzlesofthepast.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 7/29/2012 3:19:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com writes: These cards are considered primary source >evidence because they were filled out by the individual himself. A secondary source is death, funeral, cemetery records, etc. because the info. was given by others and not the individual that it concerns. > > > >Jeremy > > > >________________________________ >From: Roy Katschke <RKatschke@comcast.net> >To: 'Jeremy Millard' <jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com>; 'II Keller' <kelleri00@hotmail.com>; orforum@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:40 PM >Subject: RE: [GFO] World War I Registration card > >I always thought of a "Primary Source" as a source that was created at the time of the event by a witness to the event. While the person filling out the draft card was most likely present at the time of his birth I'm not sure I'd consider him a credible "witness". And, the draft card is not being filled out at the time of his birth. Relative to the birth information I would not consider a draft card a "primary source". > >There is other information on draft cards, such as his address, with whom he is living, place of work, etc., that could be considered primary source information. > >Roy > >-----Original Message----- >From: orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Millard >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:35 PM >To: II Keller; orforum@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card > >Should be very accurate, since whoever the draft card is for, was the person filling it out. It is considered a primary source. > > >Jeremy > > > >________________________________ >From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> >To: orforum@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:20 PM >Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card > > > > > > > >How >accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s >birthdate and birthplace? > > >Thank you. >Irene > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
These cards are considered primary source evidence because they were filled out by the individual himself. A secondary source is death, funeral, cemetery records, etc. because the info. was given by others and not the individual that it concerns. Jeremy ________________________________ From: Roy Katschke <RKatschke@comcast.net> To: 'Jeremy Millard' <jeremy2feathers@yahoo.com>; 'II Keller' <kelleri00@hotmail.com>; orforum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [GFO] World War I Registration card I always thought of a "Primary Source" as a source that was created at the time of the event by a witness to the event. While the person filling out the draft card was most likely present at the time of his birth I'm not sure I'd consider him a credible "witness". And, the draft card is not being filled out at the time of his birth. Relative to the birth information I would not consider a draft card a "primary source". There is other information on draft cards, such as his address, with whom he is living, place of work, etc., that could be considered primary source information. Roy -----Original Message----- From: orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Millard Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:35 PM To: II Keller; orforum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card Should be very accurate, since whoever the draft card is for, was the person filling it out. It is considered a primary source. Jeremy ________________________________ From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> To: orforum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I always thought of a "Primary Source" as a source that was created at the time of the event by a witness to the event. While the person filling out the draft card was most likely present at the time of his birth I'm not sure I'd consider him a credible "witness". And, the draft card is not being filled out at the time of his birth. Relative to the birth information I would not consider a draft card a "primary source". There is other information on draft cards, such as his address, with whom he is living, place of work, etc., that could be considered primary source information. Roy -----Original Message----- From: orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Millard Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:35 PM To: II Keller; orforum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GFO] World War I Registration card Should be very accurate, since whoever the draft card is for, was the person filling it out. It is considered a primary source. Jeremy ________________________________ From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> To: orforum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Any genealogist should shoot for more than one source for an event proof. My father lied about his age to get into WWII, so how accurate could it be? I've seen differences when compared with other sources for WWI registrations. I would be very surprised if there weren't errors in every type of document created. Im not saying every document. Birth and death records can have errors even when info is given at the time of the event. This is a major reason to use more than one source and the best sources you can fine. Best wishes, Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://writingyourmemories.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org) Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects -----Original Message----- From: orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orforum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of II Keller Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:21 PM To: orforum@rootsweb.com Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a mans birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, Some guys lied they were a year older than they were because they wanted to be able to get into the Army so bad and fight in the War. You might watch out for that problem. I suggest always checking mutiple sources and may the sources with the most agreements win. Does his birth year agree with census records? Did he fight in WW2 also and have a WW2 draft reg card? Was he in the Soc Sec death index. That lists birth dates. Did he have an obit that may have told his birth date of his age. Did you look for a gravestone with birth year on it? Did he have a funeral home record, they often times list birth dates. Some cemetery indexes list year of birth. Nathan --- On Sun, 7/29/12, II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> wrote: From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card To: orforum@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 1:20 PM How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Should be very accurate, since whoever the draft card is for, was the person filling it out. It is considered a primary source. Jeremy ________________________________ From: II Keller <kelleri00@hotmail.com> To: orforum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [GFO] World War I Registration card How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORFORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
How accurate are World War I draft registration cards? Can it be a valid source for a man’s birthdate and birthplace? Thank you. Irene
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Greetings! Our very own David Reynolds is a co-author in an import genetic paper regarding the R1b1a2 Haplogroup. (A haplogroup is a section of the world's family tree) The article may be seen at: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041634 Congratulations, David!!! Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://writingyourmemories.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org <http://www.isogg.org/> ) Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects
To all GFO members Here's another volunteer project that may interest you. A number of our members have shown an interest in learning to repair some of our books that are in need of some tender care. Roger Ostrom has agreed to give his first book repair lesson at GFO on Aug. 8 at 10:30am. If you are interested in learning this skill, please feel free to attend his class. Cathy Lauer Volunteer Coordinator
The Oregon City Library is conducting a survey in conjunction with the planning for their new facility. They would like to know what people are interested in having at the new facility. There is no need to identify yourself but they do ask for your zip code. If you yourself would use the New Oregon City library or know of others who live near Oregon City or Beavercreek (especially those with an interest in history or genealogy) please let them know about this survey. O. C. Library Survey <http://www.orcity.org/library/take-survey-your-library-needs> Thanks Tom O'Brien
Greetings, Those of you who are new to Genetic Genealogy or are just finding an interest in it may wish to listen to this interview of Bennett Greenspan, the president of FTDNA. He explains how the company began and about the basic tests. If you do not wish to listen to it, you can read the transcript. http://www.thebusinessmakers.com/episodes/shows/2012/july-2012/episode-371/b ennett-greenspan-371.html Best wishes, Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://writingyourmemories.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org <http://www.isogg.org/> ) Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects
Greetings. I just wanted to pass this along for anyone needing a review or is just beginning to delve into DNA for Genealogy. I know Elise personally. She wrote and conducts these Webinars. Greetings, Here's an announcement by FTDNA regarding some great Webinars. I personal know Elise who has written and who conducts them. Family Tree DNA partners with Relative Roots to offer quality, convenient and affordable Genetic Genealogy education to Family Tree DNA customers! Webinars (web-based seminars) are an option for our customers to learn more about our tests and your own results. How it Works Attend our live or on-demand webinars (web-based seminars) from the comfort of your own home! You'll view the presentation using your own computer and listen to the presenter using your computer speakers or telephone. Attendees of our live webinars are able to ask questions just as if you were attending a presentation in-person. Registrants of our on-demand webinars can access a recording of our live webinars at a time that is convenient for you. Each webinar session lasts 60-90 minutes. Topics We're launching our webinars with four topics: Beginner: * Introduction to Genetic Genealogy at Family Tree DNA Intermediate: * Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 1: Y-DNA * Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 2: mtDNA * Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 3: Family Finder Stay tuned for more topics to be added to the schedule in the coming months! Cost Introduction to Genetic Genealogy - FREE! Demystified series is - $10 each, or 3 for $25 Starting and Managing an FTDNA DNA Project is $10 Family Tree DNA Discount Webinar attendees will receive a limited-time discount on select new tests and upgrades to help offset the cost of attending the webinar. A coupon code will be provided at the end of each live webinar and will also be available to those who view the on-demand recordings. Webinar Schedule Our core webinars are currently repeated every month. Following is the webinar schedule for July & August: * Jul 26 - Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 2: mtDNA * Jul 31 - Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 3: Family Finder * Aug 5 - Introduction to Genetic Genealogy at Family Tree DNA * Aug 9 - Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 1: Y-DNA * Aug 14 - Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 2: mtDNA * Aug 21 - Genetic Genealogy Demystified: Reading and Understanding Your Family Tree DNA Results, Part 3: Family Finder * Aug 23 - Starting and Managing a Family Tree DNA Project Register Today! For registration, more details about each of the webinars and schedule updates, please visit: http://www.relativeroots.net/webinars/ftdna/ About Relative Roots Relative Roots is a Florida-based genealogy consulting and education company, owned and operated by Elise Friedman. Elise became a Family Tree DNA customer in 2005 while working on her own genealogy brick walls. She quickly became a proponent of genetic genealogy as a tool for genealogists, and today she's a volunteer administrator for several surname, geographical and haplogroup projects at Family Tree DNA. Over the years, she has given presentations on genetic genealogy at a variety of genealogy society meetings and genealogy conferences. Then earlier this year, Elise took her presentations online and began offering genetic genealogy webinars through her company, Relative Roots. Family Tree DNA is very pleased to now have Elise as our education partner so we can offer this new educational opportunity to our customers. Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://writingyourmemories.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org <http://www.isogg.org/> ) Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects
Greetings, An unannounced sale for FTDNA tests was discovered by just logging into the sight. The sale is good until July 15. Y-DNA 37 marker for $129 - was $169 67marker for $199 - was $268 Family Finder at $199 - was $289 mtDNA doesn't appear to be on sale. Best wishes, Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://writingyourmemories.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org <http://www.isogg.org/> ) Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects