The Morning Oregonian - 25 September 1899 page 16 East Side Building Notes The Farm House of Frank Bode on Gravel hill ... is well along toward completion. It is to take the place of the cottage recently destroyed by fire in that neighborhood. - a look at the Portland City Directory around that period shows a Frank Bode living at 40 E 12th. This would be near the current site of the intersection of Burnside and 12th and Sandy. Coming up from the river all of these roads do come up a small hill. By 1899 it would be well developed and settled, in 1868 it would not have been. the word hill was not capitalized in the article. --- "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > Has anyone ever heard of Gravel Hill? I have an > obit for a Mary Cassidy Arnspiger from the Oregonian > in 1936 and it says she was born in a log cabin on > Gravel Hill here in 1868. I am presuming that here > means Portland or at least near Portland. > Thanks, > Nathan > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Hi Barbara, I have been to Rose City Cemetery many, many times. I know quite a number of people buried there. The cemetery office there is very kind and helpful about telling people exactly where some is buried there. Who are you looking for? Nathan --- [email protected] wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with Rose City Cemetery? I need > help finding someone. > My great grandmother's death cert. indicates that > she is buried there. > Thank you for any suggestions. > > Barbara Albert > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the > new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

A great on-line resource for searching place names is the GNIS (Geographic Names Information System), of the U.S.G.S. (U.S. Geological Survey), at http://geonames.usgs.gov/ Clicking on "Query GNIS: U.S. and Territories" on the lefthand side will bring up a search engine. There, you can enter the name for which you are searching (adding a state or county will limit the hits to place names in that locality). Once you get a list of hits, clicking on the on you think is right will bring up a list of links, one of which is TopoZone.com. Following that one will display the USGS quandrangle map for the location. Another link (also to TopoZone.com) will show you an aerial photographic image of the location. Both are great sites, worthy of setting bookmarks. Julie Kidd

There is a recent copy of McArthur's Oregon Geographic Names at the GFO library. It is not available for checkout but you can use it any time when you come in. It is likely that you can find an old or new copy of it at Powell's or another book or another bookstore (new or used). Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] Now I have one! > In a message dated 10/1/2004 2:49:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> Hope this helps - as I always do, I highly recommend that anyone doing >> Oregon research have a copy of the great book, Oregon Geographic Names - any >> >> version > > The latest edition has several updates including surname index on line if you > haven't seen > > Oregon Geo Names index > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

The 1880 online free Ancestry/LDS census is indexed for every name, not indexed just for head of household. There is a 2 year old Mary Cassidy at Pocahontas, Baker city, outside the City, Dist 1, which would be in Baker County. Her parents are Henry and Ann Cassidy. Neither the 1870 US census by Heritage Quest or Ancestry is yet indexed by every name. Heritage Quest lists 3 Cassidy men 1870 census, Oregon. The first and third have no family. The 2nd is the record of John (age 25) and Louisa Cassidy, daughter Rose, 2 years, old and daughter Ada age 5/12. This is in Douglas County Oregon, Elkton precinct and PO. Both daughters were b. Oregon, John Cassidy b. Iowa, and Louisa Cassidy b. Missouri. Be nice to know the 'other' or middle name of Mary. In 1880 Oregon Census there are 15 entries for Cassidy. John Cassidy is a single person in North Salem, Marion County. The other 14 Cassidy individuals/families are in Wasco, Baker, or Multnomah County. The Multnomah man is 25 year old Robert Cassidy, a bricklayer, from Ireland, but he is single in 1880. Do you think your newspaper article could have been ten years off on her birth year? Obits are written from info given by family members, sometimes by family members who don't really know the exact details for such an elderly lady. And, under the stress of making the "arrangements", an adult child might miss by 10 years. At this point, don't"assume" anything. The word "here" may only mean somewhere in this state or even across the Columbia. The obit is in the Oregonian, probably she died in Oregon? We do have a copy of the Oregon Death INDEX at the GFO library. And, do you know where she is buried? It is likely the funeral home name is mentioned in the obit? SSDI - Mary Arnspiger, b. 1922 d. 1999 SS card issued in Oregon. Yes, I know this is someone else but perhaps a grandchild? Last contact was in Nevada. 1930 Oregon Census includes a Mary Arnspiger of Medford, Jackson Co, OR approximate year of birth 1914. She is the daughter of Olen and Helen M. Arnspiger. Both daughters Mary and Bertha are 16 years old. Daughter Frances is 13. Everyone in this family was born in Oregon. The mother and father of Olen Arnspiger were born in Oregon. Maybe Olen is son of Mary Cassidy Arnspiger? This same family (Olen Arnspiger) are in 1920 Census, Grants Pass, with their 3 daughters. What other names, especially of children, were also listed in the obit? Hello !! In the 1930 census, there is a Mary Arnspiger and her husband, John A. Arnspiger, living in unincorporated Fairhaven, West Riverside twp, Riverside County, California. She is 65 years old, he is 74. He is b. in Oregon, she in Wisconsin. Oops, maybe wrong lady? His parents b. Kentucky and Illinois. Her parents from Germany. Or did the census taker get the answer to this question backwards? They've got a Rabbit Farm. 1920 census has a Mary Jane Arnspiger living in Texas, b. c. 1847 (no I don't think so) and Mary E Arnspiger in Texas, b. c. 1886, (no I don't think so). There is still more to explore, including other ways to spell Cassidy and Arnspiger. If this is important to you, I hope I have suggested a few additional ways to search for her birth, life, and death. Maggie Sent: Sep 30, 2004 12:09 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GFO] Gravel Hill >> >> Hi all, >> Has anyone ever heard of Gravel Hill? I have an >> obit for a Mary Cassidy Arnspiger from the Oregonian >> in 1936 and it says she was born in a log cabin on >> Gravel Hill here in 1868. I am presuming that here >> means Portland or at least near Portland. >> Thanks, >> Nathan

In a message dated 10/1/2004 2:49:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Hope this helps - as I always do, I highly recommend that anyone doing > Oregon research have a copy of the great book, Oregon Geographic Names - any > > version The latest edition has several updates including surname index on line if you haven't seen Oregon Geo Names index

Oregon Geographic Names by Lewis A. McArthur lists a "Clarke" Oregon, also called "Clarkes." Clarke - Clackamas County. Clarke is a crossroads community in the Highland district about fifteen miles southest of Oregon City. In pioneer days this was known as the Ringo Settlement.... Post office, called Clarkes, was established May 13, 1889, with (Irving L.)Clarke as first postmaster. The office was closed December 13, 1904. Hope this helps - as I always do, I highly recommend that anyone doing Oregon research have a copy of the great book, Oregon Geographic Names - any version! Mimi Stang

The community of Clarkes is alive and well. It is about three miles east of where we live. There is a grade school and grange and a Methodist church which has probably been there for quite a few years. And the Ringo name is quite familiar in this area. I have no idea about the name that you were looking for but there are quite a few oldtimers still left in the area that might know. A Vera Erickson has been writing a Clarkes column for the Molalla Pioneer for 30 years and she states that she has notebooks with every column that she has ever written for the paper. If you want to email me privately, I can give you her phone number. Verdena Veelle [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] Now I have one! Oregon Geographic Names by Lewis A. McArthur lists a "Clarke" Oregon, also called "Clarkes." Clarke - Clackamas County. Clarke is a crossroads community in the Highland district about fifteen miles southest of Oregon City. In pioneer days this was known as the Ringo Settlement.... Post office, called Clarkes, was established May 13, 1889, with (Irving L.)Clarke as first postmaster. The office was closed December 13, 1904. Hope this helps - as I always do, I highly recommend that anyone doing Oregon research have a copy of the great book, Oregon Geographic Names - any version! Mimi Stang ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In my hurry to delete unwanted messages, I lost one that talked about the area where the Ringo family settled. They are still out there on the original land. I am sure they could tell you anything you wanted to know of the area. If you can't find them, let me know. Jane Olsen [email protected]

Hi Nathan, I have searched for every Cassady family there is with every possible odd ball spelling you could think of and can’t find a Cassady family in 1870 with a daughter Mary Emma Cassady ------ The Ancestry 1870 census index shows a Mary Cassady, 2, and Eveline Cassady, 1, in the household of Mary Delora, 45, Indian, b Wash Territory living in Portland. Five houses away is Eliza Cassady, 22, b Ireland. Whether there is a relationship, I don't know. Hope this helps. Daraleen

Hi Laura, I checked the 1895 atlas for Oregon. There was a Clarks in Clackamas County at that time. It had a Post Office, no railroad. It didn't show the population. I checked the Clackamas County map but didn't see it. Hope this helps. Flo Original Message ----- From: "Laura G." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [GFO] Now I have one! I was given a photo of a tw story home, obviously not close to a city, and told by the second generation people, that this was the first KAYSER home after leaving South Dakota. I was told it was in Clarks, Oregon, date, 25 Jun 1927. Just checked RootsWeb counties for towns, and my AAA map and found no Clarks, Oregon. In fact, they show absolutely nothing "Clarks or Clarks+" in Oregon. GNIS came up with Clarksville, Baker Co., That COULD be it perhaps, as they were coming from the east and the family ended around Portland, and eastern Washington. Does anyone have any other ideas?? Laura ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I was given a photo of a tw story home, obviously not close to a city, and told by the second generation people, that this was the first KAYSER home after leaving South Dakota. I was told it was in Clarks, Oregon, date, 25 Jun 1927. Just checked RootsWeb counties for towns, and my AAA map and found no Clarks, Oregon. In fact, they show absolutely nothing "Clarks or Clarks+" in Oregon. GNIS came up with Clarksville, Baker Co., That COULD be it perhaps, as they were coming from the east and the family ended around Portland, and eastern Washington. Does anyone have any other ideas?? Laura

There are probably hills of gravel all up and down the Willamette Valley and the Columbia River Valley, too. Any river valley. The guys with the bull dozers just keep scooping them away. You might try the Oregon Highway Department....they may have some suggestions. You should be really prepared for their questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [GFO] Gravel Hill > Hi Carole, > I have a hunch that this "Gravel Hill" of old may > have been bull dozed flat to get all the gravel out of > it and I agree, it may very well be as you say, that > Gravel Hill is spread all over the entire County now > and part of it might be in your driveway?! :-] > If this is true then there would be no more Gravel > Hill for anyone to refer to. I have done very little > research on old maps and I think that would be worth > time studying. If Gravel Hill is gone it may very well > show up on some old map when it did exist, so I agree > with that point you made. > I have not tried the USGS site. I will try that. > Nathan > > > --- Carole Hammond <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My guess would be that Gravel Hill isn't a hill >> anymore. It's probably >> spread all over Multnomah County. I think that you >> might have to look at >> old maps of the area to see if anything is >> mentioned. >> >> Also...have you tried that USGS site to see if it is >> mentioned as a feature >> of the terrain? >> >> Carole >> >> >> > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Also try Cassity... I knew one in Eugene but I don't know where their family was from. Remember.... Ds and Ts are interchangeable....especially if the person recording it is German. > Hi Nathan, > > I have searched for every Cassady > family there is with every possible odd ball spelling > you could think of and can’t find a Cassady family in > 1870 with a daughter Mary Emma Cassady > > > ------ > The Ancestry 1870 census index shows a Mary Cassady, 2, and Eveline Cassady, > 1, in the household of Mary Delora, 45, Indian, b Wash Territory living in > Portland. Five houses away is Eliza Cassady, 22, b Ireland. Whether there is > a relationship, I don't know. > > Hope this helps. > > Daraleen > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

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Hi Connie, I have been down to the OR Hist Soc bugging people about this and nobody down there could come up with anything on any Gravel Hill. Nathan --- Connie Jaynes <[email protected]> wrote: > Nathan, > > Why don't you try calling someone in the library at > the Oregon Historical > Society. > > Connie Jaynes > > > >

Hi Carole, I have a hunch that this "Gravel Hill" of old may have been bull dozed flat to get all the gravel out of it and I agree, it may very well be as you say, that Gravel Hill is spread all over the entire County now and part of it might be in your driveway?! :-] If this is true then there would be no more Gravel Hill for anyone to refer to. I have done very little research on old maps and I think that would be worth time studying. If Gravel Hill is gone it may very well show up on some old map when it did exist, so I agree with that point you made. I have not tried the USGS site. I will try that. Nathan --- Carole Hammond <[email protected]> wrote: > My guess would be that Gravel Hill isn't a hill > anymore. It's probably > spread all over Multnomah County. I think that you > might have to look at > old maps of the area to see if anything is > mentioned. > > Also...have you tried that USGS site to see if it is > mentioned as a feature > of the terrain? > > Carole > > >

Hi Ann, Hmmmm? Very interesting. No, I have not heard of this particular news index you mentioned. I will surely give that a try. Thanks. Good idea. I have looked in the McArthur OR place name book and it is not in there. Nathan --- [email protected] wrote: > Hi Nathan; > This is Ann Wendlandt (Thursday receptioist). I > dont know the name, Gravel > Hill- but have you looked in McArthurs Oregon Names > and also have you searched > the little set of seven films of the 1800's > newspaper index - its a WPA made > set, and is in file under title WPA- it tells mucho > newspaper entries on vital > records from 1850 on to 1890s. The set is in the > third drawr down in Oregon > films- try that. Ann Wendlandt >

Hi Laura, Yes, I agree, Arnspiger is a pretty unusual name. There are very few of them in the entire US. The name has been misspelled so many times in so many different ways it isn�t funny. That makes the research a bit more difficult. I am not looking for info on the Arnspiger�s though. I studied the Arnspiger family in Portland area for a couple years and have file cabinets full of info on them. It is Miles Arnspiger�s wife, Mary Cassiday/Cassada/Cassday/Caseday/Cassady etc, that I am trying to figure out. Her married name was Arnspiger and I know a lot about the Arnspiger family. Mary was not born an Arnspiger. It would do little good to try and find the Arnspiger family when they were little because that would not find me anything about Mary Cassady, unless Mary Cassady�s family just happened to be living right by the Arnspiger family when her husband Miles Arnspiger was little which I don�t believe they were since I have every census page of all the Arnspiger�s there are. I know the Arnspiger family lived in Clackamas Co until aprox the 1880s sometime after which all of them moved into Portland area. I have searched for every Cassady family there is with every possible odd ball spelling you could think of and can�t find a Cassady family in 1870 with a daughter Mary Emma Cassady. Every census page I have found Mary on after she married had her listed as born in OR BUT they all have her parents as born in all kinds of different places none of which agree with each other. This Mary is a tough nut to crack. Mary's GrGr Granddaughter lives in LA and she would like to know where Gravel Hill is also and does not know who Mary's parents were either. Anyway, once again, I thought it might be helpful to figure out where Gravel Hill was but maybe it won�t be found? Nathan --- "Laura G." <[email protected]> wrote: > Nathan, I did not catch the person's name in the > first message - just the > Gravel Hill part. I tried GNIS for it and did not > find what you want, so > did not respond. But the message below caught my > attention. Back in the > 1930s or maybe 1940s there was, I believe if my > memory is correct a family > name Arnspiger that my parents knew. That is an > unusual name - at least I > do no recall running across it until your message. > I don't suppose this tiny bit of information would > help. What do censuses > tell you about Arnspiger? > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [GFO] Gravel Hill > > > > Hi Maggie, > > Thanks for trying. That was a good idea you > had. I > > discovered the GrGr Granddaughter of this lady in > LA. > > This Mary Cassady Arnspiger lived in LA the last > year > > of her life and died there. I told the GrGr > > Granddaughter when Mary died and she is going to > order > > a death certificate for Mary and maybe that will > have > > a clue or two that will help. I really don't know > what > > County she was born in. That would really help > like > > everything if I did. That is why I have been > trying to > > find where the world this Gravel Hill is to help > > narrow down just where she was born. I am guesing > from > > clues that I have that it was in either Mult Co or > > Clack Co. Not sure though. > > Nathan > > > > > > --- mbkitts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Nathan, > > > > > > http://www.topozone.com/viewmaps.asp > > > > > > 31 hits but no Gravel Hill in Oregon. > > > > > > > > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > > > > > too many hits to count but none in Oregon. > > > > > > Hmmm. Do you know which county was her place of > > > birth? > > > > > > Maggie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:09 PM > > > Subject: [GFO] Gravel Hill > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Has anyone ever heard of Gravel Hill? I > have an > > > > obit for a Mary Cassidy Arnspiger from the > > > Oregonian > > > > in 1936 and it says she was born in a log > cabin on > > > > Gravel Hill here in 1868. I am presuming that > here > > > > means Portland or at least near Portland. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nathan > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to > > > [email protected] that > > > > contains (in the body of the message) only the > > > single word: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names > including > > > the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. > Click > > > to learn more. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including > the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi Maggie, Thanks for trying. That was a good idea you had. I discovered the GrGr Granddaughter of this lady in LA. This Mary Cassady Arnspiger lived in LA the last year of her life and died there. I told the GrGr Granddaughter when Mary died and she is going to order a death certificate for Mary and maybe that will have a clue or two that will help. I really don't know what County she was born in. That would really help like everything if I did. That is why I have been trying to find where the world this Gravel Hill is to help narrow down just where she was born. I am guesing from clues that I have that it was in either Mult Co or Clack Co. Not sure though. Nathan --- mbkitts <[email protected]> wrote: > Nathan, > > http://www.topozone.com/viewmaps.asp > > 31 hits but no Gravel Hill in Oregon. > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > too many hits to count but none in Oregon. > > Hmmm. Do you know which county was her place of > birth? > > Maggie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:09 PM > Subject: [GFO] Gravel Hill > > > > Hi all, > > Has anyone ever heard of Gravel Hill? I have an > > obit for a Mary Cassidy Arnspiger from the > Oregonian > > in 1936 and it says she was born in a log cabin on > > Gravel Hill here in 1868. I am presuming that here > > means Portland or at least near Portland. > > Thanks, > > Nathan > > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including > the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >