Hi All, I am wondering if a couple of kinds souls who are attending the October 30th Fall Seminar at the PGE Auditorium would be kind enough to volunteer a bit of time to either help set-up in the morning or tear-down and clean up in the afternoon? Helping out our organization is one of those things that you can do that is not only fun, but gives you a nice warm glow, because you've done some thing that helped to make a difference! Please respond to me off list at my email address below. Set-up takes about an hour and clean up takes a little over half an hour. Jan, R-334 [email protected]

Just a reminder that you won't want to miss the fantastic "Bridging Generations" event at the Beaverton West LDS Stake located at SW 170th and Bany Road in Aloha. The event begins at 9am with the opening address, and with the first of a series of classes beginning at 10am. The day ends at 4pm. Hope to see you there. Any questions, just send me an e-mail off-line. Another reminder -- Thursday, 28 October, same location, beginning at 7pm. Barbara Clark Hovorka will teach the first of her African-American research class that she presented first in Chicago, Illinois. We don't want to miss this.....what a fantastic way to learn new research tools to assist others. It is a two-hour class. Don't miss it -- I certainly won't!! Shirley Hurrell H-177 [email protected]

Just a reminder - the Round Table meets the fourth Monday of the month - which means we'll be meeting at the Forum Library on Monday, October 25, at 6:30 p.m. Bring your brick-wall problems, genealogical questions, recent successes, or your experience and knowledge, and share them with your fellow genealogists. Hope to see you there! Julie Kidd

Hi Robert, Did you get a reply to this request? If not, contact me off list and I may be able to give you a few suggestions of where to find someone. Is it a bygdebok? If so, what area of Norway? Do you know if it is written in bokmål or nynorsk? Connie Jaynes -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GFO] Norwegian translation Dear colleagues, I am looking for someone to do a little translation of a Norwegian annotated genealogy. Obviously I don't expect such service to be free. Anyone out there? Robert Crumpton Beaverton

FYI Any one using the OR State Archives web site http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ be for warned that if a record shows a 12-31- year, these in most cases are a default date NOT the date your record will be found in. This came about in some of the first stuff to be indexed I was told today. This was something that I ran across in early marriage records today but found other records also showed the erroneous 12-31- year so thought this should be brought to your attention. This makes for a lot of page turning to find your records. If you haven't been on line to this site lately check it out as there are a lot of new records. Some not even the archivist didn't know were there yet, so had a bit of trouble finding some of them. The new county level death records are in big huge hard to handle ledgers I found out today. Happy hunting everyone, Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Dear colleagues, I am looking for someone to do a little translation of a Norwegian annotated genealogy. Obviously I don't expect such service to be free. Anyone out there? Robert Crumpton Beaverton

Shirley, A friend and I will be attending. Q: No pre-enrollment required, right? First come, first served...? Also, does the Keynote Speaker, George Ryskamp, speak at 9 or at 1 or...? Thanks, Dave Witthans

A rare opportunity has presented itself. About two years ago, Barbara Clark Hovorka, who taught at PCC for 14 years or so, and who has presented around this area frequently, had a request from one of her grandsons who is attending Law School in Chicago, to present a class on African-American Research to a group in Chicago. Barbara had never done one of these -- but always anxious to learn she put her "nose to the grindstone" and this past year presented to an huge African-American Group in Chicago who was so excited they would love to have her back. Well.....Barbara Clark Hovorka will be in this area to present at the Beaverton West "Bridging Generations" Seminar on 23 October, and at the Milwaukie Family History Seminar on 6 November, has announced that she would love to do the African-American Research Class. We would like to invite you to attend this one-of-a-kind and wonderful presentation. It will open to all of us another great field of research that is just now coming into its own. Thursday, 28 October 2004, 7pm to 9 pm Beaverton West Stake S.W. 170th and Bany Road in Aloha Should you have any questions, please don't hesitate to e-mail me off line -- or call me at 503-642-4105. I am so excited that we have this great opportunity to be presented by an entertaining and knowledgeable woman. Shirley Hurrell H-177 [email protected]

If anyone would like a Detail and/or a Big Scale map of this LDS location, please send an off-line e-mail to: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Hurrell To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: [GFO] "Bridging Generations" - A Great FH Seminar I would like to take the opportunity to let you know about one fantastic, educational, entertaining day!!! Saturday, 23 October, from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm, "Bridging Generations" a wonderful Family History Seminar will be held at the LDS Beaverton West FHC. It is located at 17140 SW Bany Road, Beaverton (corner of Bany and 170th in Aloha). The Keynote Speaker is George Ryskamp - Director of Family History at Brigham Young University. He is also presenting two Hispanic Research sessions in Spanish, an opportunity for the Hispanic persons living in this area. There will be classes, exhibits, demonstrations and refreshments (home-baked bread - yummmm). And.....it's FREE!!! Please come join us to visit the exhibits, learn from the demonstrations and perhaps attend some of the following classes: 10:00 - 11:15 - Census as a Basic Resource Barbara Clark Hovorka Family Skeletons John Rudnick Naturalization Records Connie Lenzen Hispanic Research I George & Peggy Ryskamp 12:00 - 1:15 - Courts, Wills and Probates Barbara Clark Hovorka Land Records Gerry Lenzen Old News is Good News John Rudnick Hispanic Research II George & Peggy Ryskamp 2:00 - 3:15pm Out of the Mainstream/Hidden Resources Barbara Clark Hovorka Research in England Richard Halliday Searching the Web Effectively Marty Krauter Open Forum George & Peggy Ryskamp Should you have any questions, don't hesitate to call me or send me an e-mail message. It's just a little over a week to go!! Shirley Hurrell Life Member - H177 503-642-4105 [email protected] ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

The Computer Interest Group will meet at the Genealogical Forum on Monday night, October 18th at 7:00. This evening will feature a 1 hour presentation on the family tree software - ROOTS MAGIC by Leslie Lawson. This program is a good combination of USER FRIENDLY on one hand, but powerful on the other hand. The software was developed later than most of its peer programs, and this allowed it to incorporate many worthwhile features from the other programs in the first edition. It is now in version 2. This is another in the Forum's continuing demonstrations of Genealogy Software programs. Who should attend? If you are unhappy with the capabilities of your current Family Tree Software Program, or just curious as to what is out there, you should come on Monday night. I think this program would show special appeal to users of the two most widely used software programs, PAF and FTM. The appeal of the program would be from having more capabilities in the Software while not being any less user friendly. See you Monday night. Marty Krauter

Saturday, Nov. 6 will be the Milwaukie Oregon Family History Conference held at the LDS Church in Gladstone. I am looking for organizations to host tables representing their organizations or interests. We are not allowed to have sales, but vendors can distribute their literature, catalogs, price lists, applications, etc. If you are interested in hosting a free table for your organization, please contact me. Thank you. Cindy Webb [email protected] 503-888-0923 _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

I would like to take the opportunity to let you know about one fantastic, educational, entertaining day!!! Saturday, 23 October, from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm, "Bridging Generations" a wonderful Family History Seminar will be held at the LDS Beaverton West FHC. It is located at 17140 SW Bany Road, Beaverton (corner of Bany and 170th in Aloha). The Keynote Speaker is George Ryskamp - Director of Family History at Brigham Young University. He is also presenting two Hispanic Research sessions in Spanish, an opportunity for the Hispanic persons living in this area. There will be classes, exhibits, demonstrations and refreshments (home-baked bread - yummmm). And.....it's FREE!!! Please come join us to visit the exhibits, learn from the demonstrations and perhaps attend some of the following classes: 10:00 - 11:15 - Census as a Basic Resource Barbara Clark Hovorka Family Skeletons John Rudnick Naturalization Records Connie Lenzen Hispanic Research I George & Peggy Ryskamp 12:00 - 1:15 - Courts, Wills and Probates Barbara Clark Hovorka Land Records Gerry Lenzen Old News is Good News John Rudnick Hispanic Research II George & Peggy Ryskamp 2:00 - 3:15pm Out of the Mainstream/Hidden Resources Barbara Clark Hovorka Research in England Richard Halliday Searching the Web Effectively Marty Krauter Open Forum George & Peggy Ryskamp Should you have any questions, don't hesitate to call me or send me an e-mail message. It's just a little over a week to go!! Shirley Hurrell Life Member - H177 503-642-4105 [email protected]

Story Number: NNS041012-06 Release Date: 10/12/2004 12:40:00 PM From Naval Historical Center Public Affairs CHARLESTON, S.C. (NNS) -- The Naval Historical Center's (NHC) Hunley project staff and consultants positively identified Joseph Ridgaway, a Hunley crew member, through DNA testing Sept. 24. The NHC Hunley staff has been actively working to identify the eight pioneers who manned the craft Feb. 17, 1864, when it became the first successful combat submarine in history. "Before the DNA match, our only tools in identifying the Hunley crew for their burial was the archaeological, forensic and genealogical data," Warren Lasch, chairman of Friends of the Hunley, said. In 2001, once the crew's remains were excavated from the submarine, Hunley scientists sent samples of each crew member to the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command in Hawaii, where the samples were selected for DNA analysis. From there, the samples were sent to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL). AFDIL extracted mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from the samples and laser scanned the DNA sequences. Since then, they have waited for the Hunley scientific team to locate DNA samples from potential descendants to cross reference in hopes of making a match. "A mother passes mtDNA to her children, meaning mtDNA identification can only be done through direct maternal descendants," said Jackie Raskin-Burns, AFDIL Supervisory DNA Analyst who led the analytical work on the Hunley crew samples. After extensive historical research, forensic genealogist Linda Abrams was able to locate a maternal descendant. "When we received the sample, we performed mtDNA typing and the sequence was consistent with one mtDNA sequence obtained from the remains of the Hunley crew," Raskin-Burns said. The mtDNA sequence was consistent with the crew member who was second-in-command of Hunley and stationed at the seventh crank position: Joseph Ridgaway. "It is a marvel of modern science that after 140 years we can give these eight crewmen of the Hunley a personal identification through facial reconstructions, genealogy and DNA analysis," said said Dr. Robert Neyland, Underwater Archaeology Branch, NHC. "I am very proud that the Department of Defense, Department of the Navy, and AFDIL could make this happen through their sponsorship of the Hunley project and utilizing technologies developed for the military." For related news, visit the Naval Historical Center Navy NewsStand page at www.news.navy.mil/local/navhist.

65,629 new entries to the online index. _http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/_ (http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/) These include: Umatilla County probates an additional 1,450 entries Umatilla Co. Divorces, 1863-1942, 3,009 entries Umatilla Co. Mental Commitments, 1863-1929, 941 entries Clackamas County Naturalization, 1887-1931, 4,909 entries Penitentiary inmate registers, 1854-1932, 12,440 entries Provisional and Territorial Censuses 1845-1859, 14,848 entries Provisional and Territorial Tax Rolls, 1846-1859, 28,032 entries the new total for records searchable on the online index is: 568,481! _http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/_ (http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/)

There is a message being passed around written by Juliana Smith of Ancestry Daily News that has been making the rounds for the past several days. It appears in the archives here: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=9105#announce In it she quotes David Rencher as follows: ---------------- David Rencher, Chairman of the Record Access and Preservation Committee, a joint committee of the National Genealogical Society and Federation of Genealogical Societies, has sent a letter to the bill's sponsor, Congressman Dennis Hastert, recommending an amendment to the bill as follows: "However, nothing in this Chapter 2 shall be construed to require a State to change its law with respect to public access to (A) non-certified copies of birth certificates, or to (B) birth certificates or birth records once a period of 100 years has elapsed from the date of creation of the certificate or record." What this all means is that this house resolution, which was passed last Friday and is on the way to the Senate, would ban access to birth records. Not just new ones, but old ones, too. Period. In Oregon, that would mean that the birth records that are more than 100 years old would be closed to the public. The old birth records in other states would see the same fate. In some states, you can get a non-certified birth record. That would stop. The bill is scheduled for a Senate vote this week. I sent an e-mail to both Oregon Senators expressing my concern and asked them to include the amendment that David Rencher has proposed. Connie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Listers, I have been informed that rootsweb strips any attachments from messages. For that reason, I will embed the material I tried to attach in my prior send. I apologize for the confusion. Hopefully, the individual servers will interpret the information so it is reasonable to read. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% The Genealogical Forum of Oregon presents Mary E.V. Hill for its Fall 2004 Seminar, Saturday October 30, 2004. Registration starts at 8:00 AM. First lecture starts at 9:00 AM. The locality is the PGE Auditorium, 3700 S.E. 17th Ave. Mary E.V. Hill was a history and genealogy reference consultant at the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University, and an instructor at BYU in family history and genealogical research. She is on the staff of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City where she is on the United States/Canada reference team and is in charge of teaching and Collection Management. Mary is accredited in Eastern States and Southern States research, and is a Certified Lineage specialist with BCG. She has authored several books and has lectured at conferences throughout the South, Mid-West and West. Presentations will cover: Social Reasons for Migration, Research Logs, Calendars, & To-Do Lists, Cemetery Records, and Neighborhood Reconstruction Lunch will be at noon. Early registration for the seminar will save some money. See the attachment for seminar and lunch reservations. These same materials are available at the Forum Library registration desk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FALL 2004 SEMINAR REGISTRATION (from [email protected] rootsweb.com) Saturday, October 30, 2004 SEMINAR AND LUNCH COST - The seminar cost is $29, if you register by October 15; $34 after that. If you want lunch, that is another $6. Sandwich choices are turkey, roast beef and vegetarian cheese. Wheat or sourdough are bread choices. Total lunch and seminar registration by October 15, is $35. After that, it's $40. Name___________________________________________________________________ Address________________________________________________________________ City_____________________________________State_________Zip_______________ E-mail address___________________________________________________________ LUNCH CHOICES - Please check your choices Sandwich: Turkey________Roast Beef________Vegetarian Cheese_________ Bread: Sourdough_________ Wheat_________ COST: Registration $_________ Lunch $_________ Total $_________ Please send form and payment to: GFO, P.O. Box 42567, Portland, OR 97242-0567 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gerry "The history of the family is as important as the history of the world." Adalbert Stifter, 1862. Material in this message is Copyrighted by: GERALD S. LENZEN 10411 SW 41ST AVE. PORTLAND, OR 97219-6984 PHONE: 503-244-4357 FAX: 503-245-4723

Dear ORFORUM Listers, I think this message was sent last week, but wanted to be sure everyone had a chance to register for the Fall Seminar with Mary E.V. Hill as our headliner. The Seminar will be at the PGE Auditoruim on Saturday October 30, 2004. Registration starts at 8 AM; first lecture at 9 AM. Please open the attachments. They will give more detailed information about Mary and contain an application blank for the Seminar. Hope to see you all there. Gerry Lenzen "The history of the family is as important as the history of the world." Adalbert Stifter, 1862. Material in this message is Copyrighted by: GERALD S. LENZEN 10411 SW 41ST AVE. PORTLAND, OR 97219-6984 PHONE: 503-244-4357 FAX: 503-245-4723

Anybody here use Family Tree Legend, the program sold on the GenCircles site? I'm wondering if it is as good as they say. http://www.familytreelegends.com/ Carole

If anyone out there is interested in Carroll County, Georgia, I have just returned from a trip there and have brought back 3 volumes of abstracted deeds, dating from 1827-1855 (apropos of Gerry Lenzen's talk this coming Saturday). I also acquired Georgia's Last Frontier by James Bonner, a history of the development of Carroll County. Let me know if you would like to have me look up information in any of these for you or want to see them at the GFO Library. And for those who don't give a hoot about Carroll County but have other Georgia interests, I spent one day in the new Georgia Archives building outside of Atlanta. What a beautiful facility and the staff was wonderful. If you have been hesitating, don't - go now!

An energized group of 17 met for the first time last month to begin to build our writing muscles. We are meeting every month, the 2nd Monday at the GFO Library. Our next meeting is Monday, October 11th 7 -9 pm Agenda: Discussion of the introduction and steps 1 & 2 of Sharon DeBarolo Carmack's ""You can Write Your Family History." Writing Exercises Small group sharing of our own writing (If you were at our last meeting, don't forget to bring your writing and the artifact that your wrote about or a picture of it, if it isn't easy to bring). Looking forward to see you! Peggy 503-281-0250 [email protected]