Roy, Have you looked at the 1900 US Census for this family? It is available online, free at Heritage Quest with a Multnomah county library card. This is the short version. Oregon, Marion County, Salem (city), Precinct #4, census taken on 26 June 1900. Census page 5, stamped page 146! (and B) House address 55 13th St., Salem. There are two families in this house. Gustave and Martha Roberts (ages 28 and 23) Thomas Burt age 49, b. Sept. 1850, Scotland Mary (wife) age 39 b. Sept 1860, Florida Arthur (son) age 21 b. Oct 1878, Oregon Elva (son) age 19 b. April 1881, Oregon Roy (son) age 17 b. April 1883, Oregon Angus (son) age 14 b. June 1886 Wallace (son) age 12 b. April 1888 Vasie [?] (son) age 10 b. July 1889 Baby (son) b. July 1898 [?] and, on the next page, same family Terry (daughter-in-law) age 20, b. Aug 1879 Please note, all but wife and daughter-in-law are listed as male. Also in Marion County, Oregon are Arthur Burt, age 22 in Yew Park Precinct, born unknown Luther A Burt, age 30, 4th Ward, Salem born Iowa Taylor E Burt, age 51 in 2nd Ward, Salem born Pennsylvania I have not checked for spouses or children living with these three people Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > Hi Mim, > My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his > family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure which > High School his kids went to? Could you check your > picture to see if there are any kids with the last > name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus Burt > was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would have > been 19 in 1900. > Thanks, > Nathan > [email protected] > > > --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" >> newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) >> Where would be the best place to donate this? >> >> I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating >> class and a list of names that may or may not go >> with the photo. Which depository would be most >> interested in this? >> >> Mim Aline >> >> >> ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, send a message to >> [email protected] that >> contains (in the body of the message) only the >> single word: unsubscribe >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so >> much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

There could only have been one high school in Salem at that time. In the 1920's it was old and it sat where the downtown Meier & Frank is now, so I am assuming it was in the same place in the 1900's. I wonder if the "new" Salem High of the 1930's, which is now North Salem High would like it. The last time I was there, about ten years ago, they were very interested in the history of the school. Jane Olsen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > Hi Mim, > My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his > family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure which > High School his kids went to? Could you check your > picture to see if there are any kids with the last > name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus Burt > was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would have > been 19 in 1900. > Thanks, > Nathan > [email protected] > > > --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" >> newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) >> Where would be the best place to donate this? >> >> I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating >> class and a list of names that may or may not go >> with the photo. Which depository would be most >> interested in this? >> >> Mim Aline >> >> >> ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, send a message to >> [email protected] that >> contains (in the body of the message) only the >> single word: unsubscribe >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so >> much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Mim, My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure which High School his kids went to? Could you check your picture to see if there are any kids with the last name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus Burt was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would have been 19 in 1900. Thanks, Nathan [email protected] --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" > newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) > Where would be the best place to donate this? > > I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating > class and a list of names that may or may not go > with the photo. Which depository would be most > interested in this? > > Mim Aline > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so > much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) Where would be the best place to donate this? I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating class and a list of names that may or may not go with the photo. Which depository would be most interested in this? Mim Aline

Letting you know at the very last minute! We have a Writers' Forum meeting tomorrow night from 7 to 9 pm. We a group of enthusiastic, committed writers. We are motivating each other! Hoping to see lots of you tomorrow night! Peggy Baldwin 503-281-0250

The Computer Interest Group as usual will not meet in December on account of the Holidays. We'll reconvene in January with a presentation on the Legacy Software. Marty Krauter

Hi All, I just want to share with you a couple of things. First of all, parking on Gideon St. (and the surrounding public streets) are governed by the parking regulations of the City of Portland. Therefore, if you park in the 5 minute area during any time you may be ticketed if your vehicle is there longer than 5 minutes. The areas marked with the 2-hour signs on the public street are in effect Monday through Saturday from 7 am until 6 pm. I know that parking in the lot is also an issue some days. According to the people who manage the parking lot those spaces are assigned to each tenant 24/7. However, the person that "usually" calls the towing company to have improperly parked cars towed is only works Monday through Friday, so to be safe against towing or ticketing please park in the Forum designated parking spots in the lot. If you come in to use the library and there are no spaces available please let the receptionist know and we will try to ensure that the designated Forum spaces are indeed being utilized by Forum members, and not some of the other tenants of the buildings. This also means that when you sign in at the desk to please put your car license number on the sign-in sheet. I know that the parking situation can be frustrating to all of us, but please note that the tight parking situation may be alleviated in the coming months as it is possible that some of the building tenants may be moving th! eir businesses elsewhere in the city. Jan, R-334

>>I can get it to go if I have a cold machine and have had it cold, for >>short periods of time.<< Janice, Maybe you can copy the bad CDs onto new ones and just write on it and not worry about the label. They must dry out a little or something and pull the edges of the CD up out of shape. I've never had one in my machine so thanks for the warning. Carole

> >Gee, Janice, I'll bet Julie Kidd would have an answer! > >She knows that the normal life of a CD is very limited, but your >experience is even worse. > >I'm making DVDs of my GrandDaughter and I hate to think of them >deteriorating. Dave This is one problem that I have run into several times it seems to only be with CD's that have self sticking labels on them. DAR put one out on the Oregon material that is now copied at the Tualitin LDS library and it does the same thing. I can get it to go if I have a cold machine and have had it cold, for short periods of time. But these Retrospect ones are brand new and they don't work at all, they just hang up the machine with all the thrashing. It is not a case of deterioration in the normal sense so much as probably a chemical reaction from the Glue in the labels. But you are right, I am very gun shy of the CD's and DVD's for photo's, I am old fashioned and want our grandson's photo's on film first and then let them put them on a CD so I have the film. Thank you but I want them to last his life time and I don't think the electronic media will. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Gee, Janice, I'll bet Julie Kidd would have an answer! She knows that the normal life of a CD is very limited, but your experience is even worse. I'm making DVDs of my GrandDaughter and I hate to think of them deteriorating. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice M. Healy To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: [GFO] CD question I am wondering if any one else is having trouble with the CD's put out by Retrospect publishing? I find that they will not mount properly, thrash etc once they start to get warmed up in the CD drive. In general just won't work and hang up the computer with all the thrashing etc. Once I get them out of the drive and look at them on edge they have warped into a dish with wobbles in it. I have run onto this problem with two other CD's that have self sticking labels. These are the one's by Retrospect Publishing that I have. If yours work let me know please. PA Archives third series, Vol XIX Northampton & Northumberland Counties Tax Lists PA Archives third series, Vol XVIII Berks County Tax List Beaver County The People and Towns I am working to resolve this with the company but thought it worth asking others if they are having the same problems with them. I know of one other member who has one that will not work either for the same reasons. Different computer too. Thanks, Janice M. Healy

I am wondering if any one else is having trouble with the CD's put out by Retrospect publishing? I find that they will not mount properly, thrash etc once they start to get warmed up in the CD drive. In general just won't work and hang up the computer with all the thrashing etc. Once I get them out of the drive and look at them on edge they have warped into a dish with wobbles in it. I have run onto this problem with two other CD's that have self sticking labels. These are the one's by Retrospect Publishing that I have. If yours work let me know please. PA Archives third series, Vol XIX Northampton & Northumberland Counties Tax Lists PA Archives third series, Vol XVIII Berks County Tax List Beaver County The People and Towns I am working to resolve this with the company but thought it worth asking others if they are having the same problems with them. I know of one other member who has one that will not work either for the same reasons. Different computer too. Thanks, Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Just a reminder of Saturday, Dec. 4 Education class: "Genealogy Gift Giving". Class is $15 and will be taught from 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm. Class will include "101 Genealogy Gift Giving Ideas" handout. Run your errands in the morning, come to the class in the afternoon, and make a few gifts in the evening. It's not too late to register. Also, please bring ideas you may have. See ya soon. Cindy Webb

Gerry, Thanks for the alert! (The Science Channel has many fascinating shows every month.) Dave Witthans From: Gerald S. Lenzen Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [GFO] Your Extended Family History The November/December 2004 issue of Archaeology magazine contains a review by Kate Wong of a future TV program about your ancient extended family. "How far back can you trace your ancestry? Most folks lose the trail after a few generations. But paleoanthropologists have taken the human family tree back hundreds of thousands of years with recent fossil discoveries in Africa that are more than six million years old. In breezy documentary style, the two-hour-long A SPECIES ODYSSEY (airing in December 12-13 on the SCIENCE CHANNEL; check your local listings) tells the fascinating story of how these early hominids gave rise to modern humans." The magazine article contains more detail if you are interested. Enjoy the TV program. Gerry Lenzen "The history of the family is as important as the history of the world." Adalbert Stifter, 1862. Material in this message is Copyrighted by: GERALD S. LENZEN 10411 SW 41ST AVE. PORTLAND, OR 97219-6984 PHONE: 503-244-4357 FAX: 503-245-4723

The November/December 2004 issue of Archaeology magazine contains a review by Kate Wong of a future TV program about your ancient extended family. "How far back can you trace your ancestry? Most folks lose the trail after a few generations. But paleoanthropologists have taken the human family tree back hundreds of thousands of years with recent fossil discoveries in Africa that are more than six million years old. In breezy documentary style, the two-hour-long A SPECIES ODYSSEY (airing in December 12-13 on the SCIENCE CHANNEL; check your local listings) tells the fascinating story of how these early hominids gave rise to modern humans." The magazine article contains more detail if you are interested. Enjoy the TV program. Gerry Lenzen "The history of the family is as important as the history of the world." Adalbert Stifter, 1862. Material in this message is Copyrighted by: GERALD S. LENZEN 10411 SW 41ST AVE. PORTLAND, OR 97219-6984 PHONE: 503-244-4357 FAX: 503-245-4723 "The history of the family is as important as the history of the world." Adalbert Stifter, 1862. Material in this message is Copyrighted by: GERALD S. LENZEN 10411 SW 41ST AVE. PORTLAND, OR 97219-6984 PHONE: 503-244-4357 FAX: 503-245-4723

Some of you might be interested in the following notice . . . Julie ============================================================================== ============================ Free Non-Member Access to the Register Online Over Thanksgiving Weekend! NEHGS is pleased to offer free access to its New England Historical and Genealogical Register database on NewEnglandAncestors.org over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend! Normally only available to NEHGS members, the Register database will be accessible to all from Thursday, November 25 through Sunday, November 28, 2004. We encourage all NEHGS members to spread the word about this offering, and we hope that those of you who are not members find a veritable feast of ancestors in the Register database! Published quarterly since 1847, The New England Historical and Genealogical Register is the flagship journal of American genealogy and the oldest journal in the field. The online database includes issues from 1847 to 1994. The Register has featured articles on a wide variety of topics since its inception, including vital records, church records, tax records, land and probate records, cemetery transcriptions, obituaries, and historicalessays. Authoritative compiled genealogies have been the centerpiece of the Register for more than 150 years. Thousands of New England families have been treated in the pages of the journal and many more are referenced in incidental ways throughout. The articles in the Register range from short pieces correcting errors in print or solving unusual problems to larger treatments that reveal family origins or present multiple generations of a family. To obtain free access to the Register, we only ask that you complete a short survey to help us better define future free offers. All information given in the survey is kept strictly confidential within NEHGS. After completing the survey, you will automatically be taken to the Register database. Search for your ancestors in the Register at http://surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=46883732209! ============================================================================== ============================

Janice - You might be intersted in an article about a cemetery too close to O'Hare. Dave Witthans http://www.dailyherald.com/suburbanliving/suburban_story.asp?intID=383140

Thank you everyone for your anecdotes and suggestions (more are welcome). I will send a compilation this weekend after the festivities. There have been good suggestions for what to do and what cannot be done. The best reaction so far is from DB - I think what we all feel: Some of those census takers should have been taken out behind the woodshed and ---

In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:22:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Dear Listers, > > A relative discovered that her family was listed with the wrong last name in > the 1930 Census. > > Is there a precedent for making a change? > > Is it necessary to make the change? > > Should the Census Taker's results be studied for other errors? > > The daughter was born two years after the Census, but her brother was > already three. > > They are still alive, but the father and mother have already passed away. > > Appreciate any answers or suggestions and any other stories or complications > from this. > > Thanks, Dave Witthans > An original record, including the census, cannot be "corrected." While it may not agree with what we know/surmise to be the truth, it is the truth of the way the data was recorded. My best advice for anyone who finds a record which they believe they can prove wrong, is to write it up in an article and have it published in a genealogical periodical, or on the internet (if it's somewhere you're confident will always be there). Safest would probably be to do both. If you have it published it will be indexed by a search engine (or in a periodical it will be indexed in PERSI--and is much more permanent) and future researchers will be able to find your "correction" to the record. But since PERSI only indexes articles by the titles, so you'd want to make sure you had the family name in the title of your article. When you record the information in your genealogy program (hopefully which we all intend to be published one day), you should acknowledge the original reading of the record, the error you believe exists in the record, and explain your reasons proving it to be wrong. Some government records, like vital record certificates, can be amended. But the original cannot be (and should not be) changed. It is what it is. Julie Kidd

Dear Listers, A relative discovered that her family was listed with the wrong last name in the 1930 Census. Is there a precedent for making a change? Is it necessary to make the change? Should the Census Taker's results be studied for other errors? The daughter was born two years after the Census, but her brother was already three. They are still alive, but the father and mother have already passed away. Appreciate any answers or suggestions and any other stories or complications from this. Thanks, Dave Witthans

This by no means is an "old" scenario--it has been found since the times of westward migrations. Often the surviving spouse purchases a double headstone, intended to be buried next to each other. Through the years, life changes, and we have become a very mobile society. The surviving spouse moves to Arizona, or moves near the children on the East Coast, or re-marries for as many years as the first time. When this second spouse dies, it would be very expensive to transport the body across the county and by then maybe the family has re-established in another state anyway. Thus, this person is buried near their place of death, with a tombstone, even though they have a tombstone with the first spouse. Just having a tombstone does not GUARANTEE that this is the spot of a person's burial! And, in today's society with so may cremations, "buried" definitely does not always mean there is a coffin and corpse below. Nedra At 01:53 PM 11/22/2004, Nathan Haines Sr. wrote: > Hi all, > What if you find the same person buried in 2 >cemeteries like I did?! I had to wonder if they cut >him in half and buried in him in two places to settle >a family dispute over him or something?! > I went all the way over to Clatskanie, near the >Oregon Coast to the Clatskanie City Hall and finally >found out that the Clatskanie cemetery people list >plot owners and people buried there as one and the >same so you do not have to be dead to appear to be >dead in their records! My Great Granduncle died in >1921 and his family had him buried in Portland and he >still owns a grave plot in Clatskanie to this day. >Their old records make no distinction as to whether a >person was buried there or if they just bought a plot, >so it appears that he is buried there, and he ended up >being listed as buried there, in a Clatskanie cemetery >index, but he has a grave stone in Rose City Cemetery. >:-] Mystery solved. > Nathan Nedra Dickman Brill, Certified Genealogist [email protected] Registrar, Oregon State Society DAR Historian, Henckel Family National Association Coordinator Pendleton County, WV, [email protected] CG is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. http://www.bcgcertification.org/