I have found that a number of my family in the 1880s to 1900s had both a given and a middle name as children but switched them as adults. Sometimes either the first or the middle name was just an initial on the census. Also, a relative born in the 1880s told me that when she was a girl a singer with the first name Hazel came to town. She was fascinated and thereafter she used the name Hazel. This was in Linn Co. Oregon but assume it true elsewhere. The point: names at that time were not as fixed as they are now. Clyde Senger On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:29:01 EST [email protected] writes: > > My mother was "Baby Lincoln" for six months and, apparently, was > the only > one of eight with such a lengthy Baby period. The story I always > heard was that > it was caused by a battle over what her name would be...and for > whom she > would be named. She ended up Lydea (G-Gma) and Rebecca (Gma) ... > and she often > wished for a "prettier" name too. > > > > This almost happened to me in 1941 until my mother named me for a > woman in > the newspaper at the very last moment. > Bettye > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] > that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: > unsubscribe > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

A tidbit from old friend Addie. I hope that some of you are planning to attend...Addie Hi, I did some checking on this subject today and the hearing, as I suspected, has nothing specific to genealoy and is more of a housekeeping function for other State agencies. Many of you are probably not aware that the Oregon State Archives has a Records Management program where they help all public agencies, State, County, City, etc. manage the records from their specific agency. This includes preservation, storage, longevity, protection of personnel information, etc. Everyone is, of course, welcome to attend the hearing and it might be enlightening to do so. From a personal standpoint, I can assure you that Archives Staff, including MaryBeth Herkert, head of the Records Management Section, are all interested in protecting any records we, as genealogists, might be interested in. Daraleen

I printed and read the linked material and as Darlene says, this hearing has absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely genealogical. Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] Fw: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION > > A tidbit from old friend Addie. > > I hope that some of you are planning to attend...Addie > > > > Hi, > > I did some checking on this subject today and the hearing, as I suspected, > has nothing specific to genealoy and is more of a housekeeping function for > other State agencies. Many of you are probably not aware that the Oregon State > Archives has a Records Management program where they help all public > agencies, State, County, City, etc. manage the records from their specific agency. > This includes preservation, storage, longevity, protection of personnel > information, etc. Everyone is, of course, welcome to attend the hearing and it > might be enlightening to do so. > > From a personal standpoint, I can assure you that Archives Staff, including > MaryBeth Herkert, head of the Records Management Section, are all interested > in protecting any records we, as genealogists, might be interested in. > > Daraleen > > > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

My mother was "Baby Lincoln" for six months and, apparently, was the only one of eight with such a lengthy Baby period. The story I always heard was that it was caused by a battle over what her name would be...and for whom she would be named. She ended up Lydea (G-Gma) and Rebecca (Gma) ... and she often wished for a "prettier" name too. As an aside, I've found "using the middle name" to run in families too. It is quite common on my father's side, rare on my mother's. In addition, my father's side tended to have nicknames that had nothing to do with the real name. For example he was Bob...but called Tom often. I was called Suzie by his side of the family. Kristy

The following was just posted to another list I belong to and probably explains why there's been little or no rootsweb mail for several lists: This block which started early Friday night EST in the US was a dynamic block caused by too many spam reports. These types of blocks have nothing to do with the servers being whitelisted. So these should be reviewed after 24 hours and service restored. Hopefully, lists5 mail is now being delivered again to the members of this list. The block on lists2 just began last night--so that may last a bit longer until it is reviewed. Daraleen

>>>One of the reasons that folks waited to name their babies was the >>high mortality rate with infants. Remember it wasn't until WW2 that we got >>Penicillin. >> Janice M. Healy > >Not some of my Irish relatives. They used the same name on 3 babies until >it stuck. They even paid to have a tombstone erected in Bangor Ireland for >a memorial to their dead James Kelly sons. Yes the English were that way in my mothers family, sure can make for confusion can't it. It was my dad's Swiss/German families that would not name the babies until they thought they had a chance to survive. Dad's mother was very superstitious and she said it was bad luck to name the baby before it was two. So there were several reasons. I think that none of us will know all the why's and were fores about this one, I have a feeling, but the death rate of infants played the biggest part of the equation I think. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Flo, I think they mean the GFO members who are creating an INDEX to the Oregon Marriage records 1925-1945 and perhaps more. Marie Diers is the leader of this group. More volunteer transcribers would be helpful. Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "flomart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: [GFO] State registrar's office offers fast turnaround for millions of records >I saw this while browsing this morning. Interesting article that could be of > help to someone. > > http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2004/12/05/news/community/news08.txt > > flo > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Marsha, I believe, since your message is displayed here, that you are still a member and have not been deleted. Dave Witthans ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsha Bradley-Luthy To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] Fw: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION Addie Could some one explaine to me why I was delieted from rootsweb formen I AM CONFUSED ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: [GFO] Fw: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION >A tidbit from old friend Addie. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:29 PM > Subject: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION > > > I hope that some of you are planning to attend...Addie > ============================================= > > STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION > > An Oregon administrative rule public hearing is scheduled for 10 a.m. Jan. > 18 > in the State Archives Building, 800 Summer St. NE, Salem, regarding > proposed > revisions to the general records retention schedule for the state agencies > of > Oregon. The Archives Division is proposing to revise the schedule > contained > within OAR 166-300-0015 and OAR 166-300-0025. Interested persons may > comment > on the proposed rules orally or in writing at the hearing. Written > comments > will also be considered if received by 5 p.m. Jan. 18. > > For more information or to view a copy of the complete proposed rule, > visit > http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/news/stategssched.html . If you would like a > hardcopy of the proposed rule mailed to you, contact Mary Herkert by > phone: > (503) 373-0701 ext. 246, fax: (503) 378-4118, or e-mail: > [email protected] > > Oregon Heritage News is a service of the Oregon Heritage Commission, which > can > be contacted at [email protected] > > > ========================================================== > Stanton & Addie Rickey, 235 15th St. NE, Salem, OR 97301-4229 > (502-363-4389) April 10th thru Sept. 24th 2004 > or 5518 E. Lindstrom Lane #46, Mesa, AZ 85215 > Oct. 5th 2004 thru April 15th 2005 (480-832-3567) > Works in both locations > ==========================================================

I saw this while browsing this morning. Interesting article that could be of help to someone. http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2004/12/05/news/community/news08.txt flo

>> One of the reasons that folks waited to name their babies was the > high mortality rate with infants. Remember it wasn't until WW2 that we got > Penicillin. > Janice M. Healy Not some of my Irish relatives. They used the same name on 3 babies until it stuck. They even paid to have a tombstone erected in Bangor Ireland for a memorial to their dead James Kelly sons.

> I had often wondered if some people may have >waited a long time before deciding on a name for a >child. You see a young child in the old censuses once >in a while listed as Baby. Things were a whole lot >different then and I think we fail to realize some of >those things. One of the reasons that folks waited to name their babies was the high mortality rate with infants. Remember it wasn't until WW2 that we got Penicillin. Happy holidays to everyone, Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

In a message dated 12/18/2004 12:54:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The youngest son, > Cecil, was listed as "Baby". He was a year and a half > old in 1900 and they listed him as "Baby"?! You would > think that after a year and half they would have > thought of a name for him, don't you think?! Not necessarily. My great-grandmother, stayed with us quite often when I was young. We called her "Mom." She'd had only one son, and told me that they didn't name him until he was 2 years old. Until then, they all called him "Baby" (and he was the last child in the familiy). She said she just hadn't been able to decide. And then she named him Elbert. I never knew anyone to call him that ... but his mother. He went by a nickname. I can still remember how offended she was when I said to her, "But, Mom, if you waited so long to give him a name, couldn't you have thought up a prettier name?" She said she thought it *was* pretty. Julie

Hello Mim, Oh shucks. That is too bad. Thank you for checking for me. I have to guess that my Burt cousins probably graduated in a different year then. Nathan --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > Nathan, > > I'm sorry, but the list of graduates doesn't name a > Burt. > > If anyone else is interested, I have the little > folded program that was given out at graduation and > all of the students names are printed inside. The > written list that I have doesn't seem to be the > same. > > The program just says "Salem Public Schools > Graduating Exercises". The graduation was at the > City Hall. There were exactly forty graduates. The > diplomas were presented by Wm. M. Cherrington, > Chairman of the Board of Directors. The program > consisted of five musical pieces, an oration, a > recitation, a pantomime and the reading of five > essays plus the usual invocation and address to the > class. Further entertainment consisted of a scarf > drill and a mother goose drill by students of the > East School and the Park School. > > Mim > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Judith, I am very knowledgeable on the Portland street address changes and have used the street change address book a the main Portland library to figure the current address of several homes that had adresses from the old address system. Knowing about that has made me wonder if Salem ever did that street address change thing too like Portland did. I have never heard one way or the other on that and wondered if maybe Salem never did and has always had the same steet addresses. A message was just put on the Orforum list by Addie Rickey who has done a lot of work on the Salem Pioneer Cemetery in Salem. She is a pretty smart cookie and she might know about this Salem street address business. I will ask her. I had not heard of the Sanborn Fire Insurance maps. I will check into that. I have already gotten a few pages copied from Salem City Directories. Those are good too since they tell addresses year by year. Nathan --- Judith Rees <[email protected]> wrote: > Even though it is an "old" address, there should be > Sanborn Fire > Insurance maps for Salem that will list the old > address and show you the > outline of the building and indicate if it is a > boarding house. Another > way to cross-check this information would be through > the City > Directories for Salem. In Portland, there is a > guide which tells you > the correlation between old and new addresses. I > would assume that it > is also true for Salem. The addresses in Portland > were changed in the > early 1930's. Let me know if any of this does not > make sense to you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Haines Sr. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > > Maggie, > This family you found in Salem is my Great > Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his family. That is > the right one alright. That 1900 census entry on > this > page is really a mess for this family. I wonder how > this families details got so messed up on this > census? > Mary Burt, Thomas' wife, was not born in > Florida! > She was born here in Oregon just a couple weeks > AFTER > the 1860 census was taken. They listed Mary's only > daughter, Elva, as a son! The son born 1889 was > named > Vane Burt. He is buried in Gresham. The youngest > son, > Cecil, was listed as "Baby". He was a year and a > half > old in 1900 and they listed him as "Baby"?! You > would > think that after a year and half they would have > thought of a name for him, don't you think?! I am > just > kidding actually. Whoever gave this info to the > census > taker may have been a neighbor or something and did > not know the name of the youngest child?? The > daughter-in-law on the next page that you found was > the oldest son, Arthur's, wife. Her name was Fairy > Burt actually. There were a lot of names in those > days > that had a male and a female version to the name. > For > instance, FAIRY was the girl's version and FERRY was > the male version of the same name. Another of many > examples would be MARION was a male name and MARIAN > was given as the female version of that name. Her > maiden name was McDaniels. Fairy's mother was a > Chamness. The Chamness family came from Silverton > area. Fairy died very young. > There is something you brought to my attention > that I had not even noticed before. I am really > surprised that I had not heard anyone mention this > before or noticed it myself. The address of the > families is listed on the left side of the page. > Wow! > Interesting. Half the people on the next page are > listed at the same address also. I have to presume > this must have been some type of boarding house or > something, don't you think? I have trouble > imagining > the 31 people all listed at 55 13th St as all > sharing > the same house! > It does not indicate S or N or what part of Salem > this > 13th St was in. There is a NE and a SE 13th St in > Salem on my Salem map. That is right by Willamette > Univ., just a few blocks from the State Capitol > building. Chances are this building from 1900 is no > longer there and was torn down years ago? > Anyway, thanks Maggie. That was nice of you to > mention this. > Nathan Haines > > --- Maggie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Roy, > > > > Have you looked at the 1900 US Census for this > > family? > > It is available online, free at Heritage Quest > with > > a Multnomah county library card. > > > > This is the short version. > > > > Oregon, Marion County, Salem (city), Precinct > > #4, census taken on 26 June 1900. > > Census page 5, stamped page 146! (and B) > > House address 55 13th St., Salem. There are > > two families in this house. > > > > Gustave and Martha Roberts (ages 28 and 23) > > Thomas Burt age 49, b. Sept. 1850, Scotland > > Mary (wife) age 39 b. Sept 1860, Florida > > Arthur (son) age 21 b. Oct 1878, Oregon > > Elva (son) age 19 b. April 1881, Oregon > > Roy (son) age 17 b. April 1883, Oregon > > Angus (son) age 14 b. June 1886 > > Wallace (son) age 12 b. April 1888 > > Vasie [?] (son) age 10 b. July 1889 > > Baby (son) b. July 1898 [?] > > and, on the next page, same family > > Terry (daughter-in-law) age 20, b. Aug 1879 > > > > Please note, all but wife and daughter-in-law > > are listed as male. > > > > Also in Marion County, Oregon are > > Arthur Burt, age 22 in Yew Park Precinct, > born > > unknown > > Luther A Burt, age 30, 4th Ward, Salem born > > Iowa > > Taylor E Burt, age 51 in 2nd Ward, Salem born > > Pennsylvania > > I have not checked for spouses or children living > > with these three people > > > > Maggie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > > > > > > > Hi Mim, > > > My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his > > > family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure > which > > > High School his kids went to? Could you check > your > > > picture to see if there are any kids with the > last > > > name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus > > Burt > > > was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would > have > > > been 19 in 1900. > > > Thanks, > > > Nathan > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I have a copy of the Salem High School > "Clarion" > > >> newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) > > > >> Where would be the best place to donate this? > > >> > > >> I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating > > >> class and a list of names that may or may not > go > > >> with the photo. 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Nathan, I'm sorry, but the list of graduates doesn't name a Burt. If anyone else is interested, I have the little folded program that was given out at graduation and all of the students names are printed inside. The written list that I have doesn't seem to be the same. The program just says "Salem Public Schools Graduating Exercises". The graduation was at the City Hall. There were exactly forty graduates. The diplomas were presented by Wm. M. Cherrington, Chairman of the Board of Directors. The program consisted of five musical pieces, an oration, a recitation, a pantomime and the reading of five essays plus the usual invocation and address to the class. Further entertainment consisted of a scarf drill and a mother goose drill by students of the East School and the Park School. Mim

Julie, I really enjoyed your story a lot. That was a good one. I made a similar mistake as a teenager when I saw in the newspaper that Lucille Ball had just turned 50 and I made the comment that "Wow! I did not know she was SO OLD". My mother just happened to be the same age at the time which I failed to determine and my mother got very disgruntled! :-] "Fifty is not THAT OLD" and a few other things she was saying as she exited from the room. I had often wondered if some people may have waited a long time before deciding on a name for a child. You see a young child in the old censuses once in a while listed as Baby. Things were a whole lot different then and I think we fail to realize some of those things. I have yet to find any source that will affirm my belief that it was a fad or something to go by your middle name in the late 1800s to early 1900s. I have seen sooooo many instances of people going by one name and when they became a young adult they started going by their middle name. It appears to me like it was a popular thing to do and a lot of people were doing it. Nathan --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 12/18/2004 12:54:24 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The youngest son, > > Cecil, was listed as "Baby". He was a year and a > half > > old in 1900 and they listed him as "Baby"?! You > would > > think that after a year and half they would have > > thought of a name for him, don't you think?! > > Not necessarily. > > My great-grandmother, stayed with us quite often > when I was young. We called > her "Mom." She'd had only one son, and told me that > they didn't name him > until he was 2 years old. Until then, they all > called him "Baby" (and he was the > last child in the familiy). She said she just hadn't > been able to decide. And > then she named him Elbert. I never knew anyone to > call him that ... but his > mother. He went by a nickname. I can still remember > how offended she was when I > said to her, "But, Mom, if you waited so long to > give him a name, couldn't you > have thought up a prettier name?" She said she > thought it *was* pretty. > > Julie > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about > your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Addie Could some one explaine to me why I was delieted from rootsweb formen I AM CONFUSED ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: [GFO] Fw: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION >A tidbit from old friend Addie. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:29 PM > Subject: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION > > > I hope that some of you are planning to attend...Addie > ============================================= > > STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION > > An Oregon administrative rule public hearing is scheduled for 10 a.m. Jan. > 18 > in the State Archives Building, 800 Summer St. NE, Salem, regarding > proposed > revisions to the general records retention schedule for the state agencies > of > Oregon. The Archives Division is proposing to revise the schedule > contained > within OAR 166-300-0015 and OAR 166-300-0025. Interested persons may > comment > on the proposed rules orally or in writing at the hearing. Written > comments > will also be considered if received by 5 p.m. Jan. 18. > > For more information or to view a copy of the complete proposed rule, > visit > http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/news/stategssched.html . If you would like a > hardcopy of the proposed rule mailed to you, contact Mary Herkert by > phone: > (503) 373-0701 ext. 246, fax: (503) 378-4118, or e-mail: > [email protected] > > Oregon Heritage News is a service of the Oregon Heritage Commission, which > can > be contacted at [email protected] > > > ========================================================== > Stanton & Addie Rickey, 235 15th St. NE, Salem, OR 97301-4229 > (502-363-4389) April 10th thru Sept. 24th 2004 > or 5518 E. Lindstrom Lane #46, Mesa, AZ 85215 > Oct. 5th 2004 thru April 15th 2005 (480-832-3567) > Works in both locations > ========================================================== > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release Date: 12/15/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release Date: 12/15/2004

A tidbit from old friend Addie. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION I hope that some of you are planning to attend...Addie ============================================= STATE ARCHIVES PLANS HEARING ON RECORDS RETENTION An Oregon administrative rule public hearing is scheduled for 10 a.m. Jan. 18 in the State Archives Building, 800 Summer St. NE, Salem, regarding proposed revisions to the general records retention schedule for the state agencies of Oregon. The Archives Division is proposing to revise the schedule contained within OAR 166-300-0015 and OAR 166-300-0025. Interested persons may comment on the proposed rules orally or in writing at the hearing. Written comments will also be considered if received by 5 p.m. Jan. 18. For more information or to view a copy of the complete proposed rule, visit http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/news/stategssched.html . If you would like a hardcopy of the proposed rule mailed to you, contact Mary Herkert by phone: (503) 373-0701 ext. 246, fax: (503) 378-4118, or e-mail: [email protected] Oregon Heritage News is a service of the Oregon Heritage Commission, which can be contacted at [email protected].or.us ========================================================== Stanton & Addie Rickey, 235 15th St. NE, Salem, OR 97301-4229 (502-363-4389) April 10th thru Sept. 24th 2004 or 5518 E. Lindstrom Lane #46, Mesa, AZ 85215 Oct. 5th 2004 thru April 15th 2005 (480-832-3567) Works in both locations ==========================================================

Maggie, This family you found in Salem is my Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his family. That is the right one alright. That 1900 census entry on this page is really a mess for this family. I wonder how this families details got so messed up on this census? Mary Burt, Thomas' wife, was not born in Florida! She was born here in Oregon just a couple weeks AFTER the 1860 census was taken. They listed Mary's only daughter, Elva, as a son! The son born 1889 was named Vane Burt. He is buried in Gresham. The youngest son, Cecil, was listed as "Baby". He was a year and a half old in 1900 and they listed him as "Baby"?! You would think that after a year and half they would have thought of a name for him, don't you think?! I am just kidding actually. Whoever gave this info to the census taker may have been a neighbor or something and did not know the name of the youngest child?? The daughter-in-law on the next page that you found was the oldest son, Arthur's, wife. Her name was Fairy Burt actually. There were a lot of names in those days that had a male and a female version to the name. For instance, FAIRY was the girl's version and FERRY was the male version of the same name. Another of many examples would be MARION was a male name and MARIAN was given as the female version of that name. Her maiden name was McDaniels. Fairy's mother was a Chamness. The Chamness family came from Silverton area. Fairy died very young. There is something you brought to my attention that I had not even noticed before. I am really surprised that I had not heard anyone mention this before or noticed it myself. The address of the families is listed on the left side of the page. Wow! Interesting. Half the people on the next page are listed at the same address also. I have to presume this must have been some type of boarding house or something, don't you think? I have trouble imagining the 31 people all listed at 55 13th St as all sharing the same house! It does not indicate S or N or what part of Salem this 13th St was in. There is a NE and a SE 13th St in Salem on my Salem map. That is right by Willamette Univ., just a few blocks from the State Capitol building. Chances are this building from 1900 is no longer there and was torn down years ago? Anyway, thanks Maggie. That was nice of you to mention this. Nathan Haines --- Maggie <[email protected]> wrote: > Roy, > > Have you looked at the 1900 US Census for this > family? > It is available online, free at Heritage Quest with > a Multnomah county library card. > > This is the short version. > > Oregon, Marion County, Salem (city), Precinct > #4, census taken on 26 June 1900. > Census page 5, stamped page 146! (and B) > House address 55 13th St., Salem. There are > two families in this house. > > Gustave and Martha Roberts (ages 28 and 23) > Thomas Burt age 49, b. Sept. 1850, Scotland > Mary (wife) age 39 b. Sept 1860, Florida > Arthur (son) age 21 b. Oct 1878, Oregon > Elva (son) age 19 b. April 1881, Oregon > Roy (son) age 17 b. April 1883, Oregon > Angus (son) age 14 b. June 1886 > Wallace (son) age 12 b. April 1888 > Vasie [?] (son) age 10 b. July 1889 > Baby (son) b. July 1898 [?] > and, on the next page, same family > Terry (daughter-in-law) age 20, b. Aug 1879 > > Please note, all but wife and daughter-in-law > are listed as male. > > Also in Marion County, Oregon are > Arthur Burt, age 22 in Yew Park Precinct, born > unknown > Luther A Burt, age 30, 4th Ward, Salem born > Iowa > Taylor E Burt, age 51 in 2nd Ward, Salem born > Pennsylvania > I have not checked for spouses or children living > with these three people > > Maggie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > > > > Hi Mim, > > My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his > > family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure which > > High School his kids went to? Could you check your > > picture to see if there are any kids with the last > > name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus > Burt > > was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would have > > been 19 in 1900. > > Thanks, > > Nathan > > [email protected] > > > > > > --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" > >> newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) > >> Where would be the best place to donate this? > >> > >> I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating > >> class and a list of names that may or may not go > >> with the photo. 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Maggie, That was nice of you to find them on the census for me. I do not need that info though. I have extensive research on this family. I have them on all of the censuses. I have a picture of their grave. I have their death certificates. I have a gorgeous copy of their original marriage certificate from the minister who married them. I have their wedding picture. Their Granddaughter lives a few blocks from me. Thomas Peter Burt's wife was Mary Elizabeth Arnspiger. I have done extensive research on the Arnspiger family, etc, etc. I am only curious about the 1900 High School picture if any of Thomas Peter Burt's kids might be in that picture. I have a couple really old school pictures that nobody knows what school this is or where it was taken or who for sure is in the picture. These two pics I have may be from Salem area? The Burt family moved into Portland aprox 1903 after having lived in Salem for 20 years or so. I am, wondering if the school pic that Mim has may be the same pic I have? It would be nice to check with her if she responds to these messages. Nathan --- Maggie <[email protected]> wrote: > Roy, > > Have you looked at the 1900 US Census for this > family? > It is available online, free at Heritage Quest with > a Multnomah county library card. > > This is the short version. > > Oregon, Marion County, Salem (city), Precinct > #4, census taken on 26 June 1900. > Census page 5, stamped page 146! (and B) > House address 55 13th St., Salem. There are > two families in this house. > > Gustave and Martha Roberts (ages 28 and 23) > Thomas Burt age 49, b. Sept. 1850, Scotland > Mary (wife) age 39 b. Sept 1860, Florida > Arthur (son) age 21 b. Oct 1878, Oregon > Elva (son) age 19 b. April 1881, Oregon > Roy (son) age 17 b. April 1883, Oregon > Angus (son) age 14 b. June 1886 > Wallace (son) age 12 b. April 1888 > Vasie [?] (son) age 10 b. July 1889 > Baby (son) b. July 1898 [?] > and, on the next page, same family > Terry (daughter-in-law) age 20, b. Aug 1879 > > Please note, all but wife and daughter-in-law > are listed as male. > > Also in Marion County, Oregon are > Arthur Burt, age 22 in Yew Park Precinct, born > unknown > Luther A Burt, age 30, 4th Ward, Salem born > Iowa > Taylor E Burt, age 51 in 2nd Ward, Salem born > Pennsylvania > I have not checked for spouses or children living > with these three people > > Maggie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Haines Sr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [GFO] school newspaper > > > > Hi Mim, > > My Great Granduncle Thomas Peter Burt and his > > family lived in Salem in 1900. I am not sure which > > High School his kids went to? Could you check your > > picture to see if there are any kids with the last > > name of Burt? Roy Burt was 17 in 1900 and Angus > Burt > > was 14. They had a sister Elva Burt who would have > > been 19 in 1900. > > Thanks, > > Nathan > > [email protected] > > > > > > --- Mim Aline <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I have a copy of the Salem High School "Clarion" > >> newspaper, October 7, 1915. (Vol. XIII, No. 1) > >> Where would be the best place to donate this? > >> > >> I also have a photograph of the 1900 graduating > >> class and a list of names that may or may not go > >> with the photo. Which depository would be most > >> interested in this? > >> > >> Mim Aline > >> > >> > >> ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe, send a message to > >> [email protected] that > >> contains (in the body of the message) only the > >> single word: unsubscribe > >> > >> ============================== > >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so > >> much more. > >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland > Collection. > >> Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and > Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to > [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the > single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >