Wanted to let you know that today's Irish Interest Group Meeting is cancelled. Please keep safe today. Tom O'Brien

Irregardless of whether anyone can open the Forum--due to freezing rain and unsafe driving conditions today's meeting is canceled. Roger Ostrom Secretary

The Library is not going to be opened today due to the weather... Stay home, Stay Safe!! Byron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005

> How did people keep track of the calendar on the > frontiers of America? How did they know the date on > which their baby was born? I have some folks who > were always at the leading edge of the frontier so I > can see why their ages would bounce around from one > census to the next. They probably didn't have the > foggiest idea the month let alone the date....or did > they? > > Carole Even Robinson Cruso knew what the date was. If they were really out in the sticks, it was just a matter of adding a day every time the sun came up, then going to their notes of how many months had how many days, and then adding a day in February, every time the year could be divided by 4 -- easy really. Anyway, I don't believe any place was really out in the sticks. Factually, there *were* frontier newspapers; government or territorial officials always had to know or keep track of the dates, as did churches. If they were really lazy, they could have just ordered a calendar from back east. (Even the frontier had mail service, and when there's mail service, one always knows the date, or can figure it out fast enough.) Jim in Portland __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Forum Members I am one of two Research Assistants scheduled to work at the Library tomorrow, If the weather goes the way it is forecasted, I doubt that I will be there... So if you plan to go to the Library and the weather is bad, I suggest you call first... Byron Blankenship -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005

Hi, My Thursday column in the Columbian is about the World War II draft registration cards that are at the Seattle NARA branch. Connie http://www.columbian.com/01132005/neighbor/232515.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

For those who did not attend the January Membership Meeting last Saturday, we had 50 members in attendance. The budget passed unanimously. Thank you for your support. Cindy Webb GFO Secretary

I figured if anyone would know, the gurus on this list would know the answer to my question. How did people keep track of the calendar on the frontiers of America? How did they know the date on which their baby was born? I have some folks who were always at the leading edge of the frontier so I can see why their ages would bounce around from one census to the next. They probably didn't have the foggiest idea the month let alone the date....or did they? Carole

The Roots Users group, which meets this Saturday at 9:30 AM, has undergone some changes. In order to reflect the current software focus of the organization, the name has been changed to "The Master Genealogist Users Group of Portland, Oregon". (We will still give support to the "Roots" programs, but we are moving on!) To start the New Year and the new name, the January meeting educational program is going to be about the overall concepts of the software; starting a new project and entering basic information. As always, there will be allowance for questions during and after the presentation. If you are curious about the program or are just getting started, this meeting will be of interest to you. Roger Ostrom Secretary, TMG UG of Portland, OR

My father-in-law's mother was a Koch from Norka Russia. They immigrated with her brother Henry Koch's family. As the sons grew to adulthood prior to WW2, two of them changed their names to Cook. The mother's obit lists her sons as one named Koch and two named Cook. Nedra At 11:17 AM 1/11/2005, Shirley Hurrell wrote: >Janet, > >As we all know, we have to be careful with surnames and the origin of >families who came to the US (some Koch's from Germany and some Germans >from Russia who had migrated to Russia in the last 1700s). As a member of >the Oregon AHSGR, there was a large Koch family who were Germans from >Russia. As a matter of fact, our President, Dr. Ray Koch has a lot on his >family who came to NE Portland and were garbage haulers. > >Shirley Hurrell >H-177 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Healy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:08 AM >Subject: [GFO] Koch Family > > >>If any one is looking for Koch Family info let me know as I bought a CD >>of the book THE JOHANN PHILIPP KOCH FAMILY By Martha Lois Koch Long '1971'. >> >>Must have a name and some kind of a date. The book is indexed. >> >>This group came from Germany 1843 and settled primarily in Evensville, >>Indiana, later moved to Ill, Montana, Tennessee, Ohio, Florida, Alaska, >>N.J., Calif., Miss., Pa, Ky. & some also emigrated to South Africa from >>Germany. Well documented. >> >> >> Janice M. Healy >> Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" >> >> Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. >> Mailto:[email protected] >> >> "Oregon Burial Site Guide" >> http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html >> Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 >> >> Public service site >> http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html >> >> >> >>==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== >>To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that >>contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that >contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

>Janet, > >As we all know, we have to be careful with surnames and the origin >of families who came to the US (some Koch's from Germany and some >Germans from Russia who had migrated to Russia in the last 1700s). >As a member of the Oregon AHSGR, there was a large Koch family who >were Germans from Russia. As a matter of fact, our President, Dr. >Ray Koch has a lot on his family who came to NE Portland and were >garbage haulers. > >Shirley Hurrell >H-177 Shirley The info I gave is just what is in that book. There were lots of Koch/Cook families I am sure, I am looking for one that was in PA and this wasn't it. I figured that I should share if at all possible, if any one was interested. Janice Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Janet, As we all know, we have to be careful with surnames and the origin of families who came to the US (some Koch's from Germany and some Germans from Russia who had migrated to Russia in the last 1700s). As a member of the Oregon AHSGR, there was a large Koch family who were Germans from Russia. As a matter of fact, our President, Dr. Ray Koch has a lot on his family who came to NE Portland and were garbage haulers. Shirley Hurrell H-177 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Healy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: [GFO] Koch Family > If any one is looking for Koch Family info let me know as I bought a CD of > the book THE JOHANN PHILIPP KOCH FAMILY By Martha Lois Koch Long '1971'. > > Must have a name and some kind of a date. The book is indexed. > > This group came from Germany 1843 and settled primarily in Evensville, > Indiana, later moved to Ill, Montana, Tennessee, Ohio, Florida, Alaska, > N.J., Calif., Miss., Pa, Ky. & some also emigrated to South Africa from > Germany. Well documented. > > > Janice M. Healy > Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" > > Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. > Mailto:[email protected] > > "Oregon Burial Site Guide" > http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html > Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 > > Public service site > http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html > > > > ==== ORFORUM Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] that > contains (in the body of the message) only the single word: unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

If any one is looking for Koch Family info let me know as I bought a CD of the book THE JOHANN PHILIPP KOCH FAMILY By Martha Lois Koch Long '1971'. Must have a name and some kind of a date. The book is indexed. This group came from Germany 1843 and settled primarily in Evensville, Indiana, later moved to Ill, Montana, Tennessee, Ohio, Florida, Alaska, N.J., Calif., Miss., Pa, Ky. & some also emigrated to South Africa from Germany. Well documented. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Hi Janice, Talked to an old timer and have the whole lay of the land I think. Kenwood was called Kenwood Addition and was first established in 1912. Kenwood Gardens was established in 1914. The city of Bend built a dam in the Deschutes and put a bridge across the river about 1910 and the development started on the west side. Kenwood school was built in 1917. Will get a map for the area. Pine Tree Mill was built about 1917 and burned now about 1919. It was situated on the other side of Shevlan Park by about 5 miles. The old road from the mill came up a very steep hill from Tumalo creek. You can still see the site of the mill. Will try to get a map for you of the area. Called the library and they don't have a directory back beyond about 1924. I bet there are earlier directories in the genealogy dept, when the roads get better will send Kathy down there to see. So we are making headway!!! Snowed again last night and freezing fog this morning. Back to work LeAnne Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

Thanks, Maggie. I went to the main Gresham library this afternoon and luck of all luck, they have the Gresham Outlook on film, thanks to the librarian who fought for it to be here rather than in downtown Portland. Within 15 minutes I had my photocopy and was on my way! I wanted to thank those who wrote with their suggestions. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie" <[email protected]> To: "Carole Hammond" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [GFO] Obits for Gresham > You can, of course, check for an obituary in the Oregonian, Journal, > and/or any Gresham Newspaper extent at that time. > > At the GFO there is both a CD and a "rather difficult to read microfiche" > of deaths > in Oregon. That will tell you the date of death. Knowing that, you can > more > easily search newspapers for an obit up to two weeks after the death. > > If there was a Gresham paper then, the Oregon Historical Society Library > is likely to have the paper on microfilm. > > The Oregon Historical Society Library, the Oregon City Library, > and the Lake Oswego Library all have copies of microfilmed issues > of the Oregonian and some Oregon Journals and usable indexes of the same. > > Do you know at what cemetery the person was interred. Some cemeteries > are friendly about their files. Others are ridiculously not. > > Maggie >

Hi Janice, It is interesting that there is info in the old news paper but nothing in Oregon geographic names. While working with the old records at the Oregon State Archives we keep a copy of Oregon Geographic Names handy because of our curiosity about where a place was. We occasionally don't find the place name listed so I don't think it surprising you find mention of a place in the old newspaper which isn't there, either. I suspect it is because, like cemetery names, the names come and go. I just wish that I had kept a list of the places, along with the reference, so they could have been sent to McArthur for inclusion in a later addition. Daraleen

In a message dated 1/7/2005 10:52:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I am researching some information I received on Samuel W. Best's death. > > Bend Bulletin Mon. 8 Apr 1918 He was found dead on Tumalo Hill. > Would this be the hill south of Tumalo? > > It also states that he resided in KENWOOD in the Wen. 10 April 1918 > Bend Bulletin. Seems the poor man was knocked form his seat on the > wagon load of lumber when the binder on the load broke. > > Oregon Geographic Names by McArthur does not list this by gone > community. Can anyone tell me where this might have been? > > Thank you, Jan -- No post office was established at a community called Kenwood, but the GNIS (http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form) turns up a Kenwood School in Bend, but on the western bank of the river. So I'm going to guess it was a separate community at the time. Much like East Portland was to Portland. And looks like Here's the location of the school on a topo map: http:// www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.0622&lon=-121.3217 Tumalo Hill is probably Tumalo Butte. It's just north and west of where I suspect Kenwood is. It's at: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.0956& lon=-121.3689 There's also a Tumalo Mountain, but it's much further west, into the Cascades. So I'd guess it refers to the butte. Julie Kidd

>In a message dated 1/7/2005 10:52:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >>I am researching some information I received on Samuel W. Best's death. >> >>Bend Bulletin Mon. 8 Apr 1918 He was found dead on Tumalo Hill. >>Would this be the hill south of Tumalo? >> >>It also states that he resided in KENWOOD in the Wen. 10 April 1918 >>Bend Bulletin. Seems the poor man was knocked form his seat on the >>wagon load of lumber when the binder on the load broke. >> >>Oregon Geographic Names by McArthur does not list this by gone >>community. Can anyone tell me where this might have been? >> >>Thank you, >> > > > >Jan -- > > >No post office was established at a community called Kenwood, but >the GNIS >(http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form) >turns up a Kenwood School in Bend, but on the western bank of the >river. So I'm going to guess it was a separate community at the >time. Much like East Portland was to Portland. And looks like > >Here's the location of the school on a topo map: >http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.0622&lon=-121.3217 > >Tumalo Hill is probably Tumalo Butte. It's just north and west of >where I suspect Kenwood is. It's at: >http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.0956&lon=-121.3689 > >There's also a Tumalo Mountain, but it's much further west, into the >Cascades. So I'd guess it refers to the butte. > > >Julie Kidd Thanks Julie, These were the same things I came up with in looking at the paper maps I have except there is also a hill north of Bend about 5 miles that is just south of the little burg of Tumalo. It is interesting that there is info in the old news paper but nothing in Oregon geographic names. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

>Thanks, Janice! > >I didn't know if the Outlook would let just anybody in to rifle >through their files. I'll give them a call on Monday. > >Carole Carole, The are available at the Gresham Library. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html

>Does anyone know where I can find a 1922 obituary for a young man >who died in Multnomah Co.....probably in Gresham. I don't know >where he is buried. > >His name was Norbert Anderson and he died 18 Nov 1922. > Thanks, Carole Try the Gresham out look, if you have not yet tried that. Another thought would be to get his death cert. from the state archives. If you are lucky it will tell you where he is buried. But don't be surprised if it doesn't as not all death certs. listed that, the folks that filled them out were rather lazy it seems. Janice M. Healy Co-compiler of "Oregon Burial Site Guide" Aloha, Oregon U.S.A. Mailto:[email protected] "Oregon Burial Site Guide" http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/obsg.html Plan ahead for the FGS Conference in Salt Lake City Sept 7 thru 10 2005 Public service site http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ancestors.html