On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:19:37 -0800 "Laura" <pinkya@gte.net> wrote: << John CHAMBERLIN married my gggrandmother's sister Mariah SMITH. (Her sister Cordelia Smith, brother John H. Smith, Louisa Evaline SMITH). Does anyone have a CHAMBERLIN LINK? Does anyone know where Mariah and Chamberlin settled? or died? >> Hi Laura, Here is the reply I sent you back in Sept. 2000, just to reply to the query you sent to the list yesterday. In regard to the list of CHAMBERLAIN/CHAMBERLINs you found in the censuses, I know a couple of these are "our" John CHAMBERLAIN or connect to him (I'll note how if I can remember off the top of my head because I don't have my files open right now, in brackets under each listing): 1849 CHAMBERLIN JOHN Champoeg County OR [I think this is his provisional land claim] 1845 CHAMBERLIN W. Clackamas County OR Oregon City [not related that I have found] 1850 CHAMBERLIN W. Clackamas County OR 030 Oregon [ditto] 1850 CHAMBERLIN W. Clackamas County OR 030 Oregon [ditto] 1880 CHAMBERLIN STOUT Clackmas County OR 188 [never heard of this one] 1880 CHAMBERLIN ANDREW Douglas County OR 463 Calapooia [not related] 1890 CHAMBERLIN WILLIAM W. Douglas County OR 002 Pass Creek [not related, but could be William R. his son] 1854 CHAMBERLIN ALLEN Jackson County OR Working Copy [not related] 1880 CHAMBERLIN R. H. Josephine County OR 161 Waldo Pct [not familiar with this one] 1880 CHAMBERLIN AARON Lane County OR 232 Richardson Pct [definately not related] 1849 CHAMBERLIN D. Linn County OR No Township Listed OR [not related] 1853 CHAMBERLIN ADOLPHUS Marion County OR No [not related] 1870 CHAMBERLIN D. Marion County OR 013 Salem Precinct [not related] 1890 CHAMBERLIN FRANCIS LOUIS E Marion County OR 001 Woodburn [not related] 1880 CHAMBERLIN FRANCIS Marion County OR 083 Woodburn [ditto] 1853 CHAMBERLIN JAMES L. Marion County OR No Township [not related, son James T. was born in 1851] 1870 CHAMBERLIN L. Marion County OR 047 South Salem [not related] 1880 CHAMBERLIN M. L. Marion County OR 010 Salem Federal [not related] 1870 CHAMBERLIN OLIVE Marion County OR 129 Jefferson [not related, Olivia V. CHAMBERLAIN was married to John HANFORD & they were residing with her mother Mariah and her 3rd husband M. M. SMITH] 1880 CHAMBERLIN J. C. Multnomah County OR 379 East Portland [not related] 1870 CHAMBERLIN AARON Polk County OR 331 Buena Vista [not related] 1870 CHAMBERLIN CATHERINE Polk County OR 331 Buena Vista [ wife of Aaron] 1880 CHAMBERLIN E. Polk County OR 500 Luckemute-buena Vista [not familiar with this, but I'd have to see actual census to be certain] 1849 CHAMBERLIN JOHN Polk County OR Apportionment [this is him] 1849 CHAMBERLIN JOHN Polk County OR No Township Listed [this is him] 1880 CHAMBERLIN JOHN Polk County OR 508 Luckemute-buena Vista [could be, but I don't remeber seeing this one. Might be son John, "ours" was still in California at the time, with wife Teresa de la Pena] 1880 CHAMBERLIN E. Union County OR 149 Union Federal [don't recognize this one] 1880 CHAMBERLIN JOSEPH Union County OR 120 Rock Creek [this might be son of Aaron, but don't quote me] Now here is the reply with all the details back from Sept. 2000 and a reply from another cousin, Ross Smith after my note. > Laura, your cousin Kathy here ;-) > > Cordelia and Louisa were 1/2 sisters to John H. & Mariah SMITH. They all had > the same father James (b 18 Oct 1802, Washington Co. VA, d 25 Mar 1872 Polk > Co. OR). James married 1st to Mariah KEELE/KEEL (b ca 1805, probably in KY, d > 30 Jun 1831 Montgomery Co. MO) on 8 May 1823 (probably in Montgomery Co. MO). > They had 4 children: John H. (b 1824 Pike Co. MO), Henry Samuel (b 1826, d > young), Minerva Jane (b 1828) and Mariah (b 17 Jul 1830 Montgomery Co. MO, d > 22 Feb 1922, Polk Co. OR). When Mariah KEELE died James married 2nd to > Elizabeth WRIGHT (she was the mother of the rest of the kids, including > Cordelia and Louisa). > > James came to OR in 1846 w/Elizabeth and the children. John H. married > Martha LEWIS after arriving in OR. Minerva married John LONG (a widower with > 2 children, they had several children together and settled in Umpqua/Douglas > Co. at Yoncalla) and they came in 1846 as a married couple. All via the > Southern Route (aka Applegate Trail). > > Mariah married 14 Jan 1849 to John CHAMBERLAIN (b 10 Dec 1814 Knockfin, > Queens Co. IRE, d 12 Jan 1891 Polk Co. OR). John deserted Mariah and their > 7 children in 1864 and moved back to CA from where he came to OR from in 1846 > with his 1st wife Nancy HESS and her family. Mariah filed for divorce from > John in 1867 and on 30 Apr 1867 married John T. BELIEU. She had 1 son > w/BELIEU. John CHAMBERLAIN in the meantime married Teresa de la PENA (b > "Lower Calif.") in CA. Teresa might have died because he returned to OR ca > 1889 and resided (we believe) with his oldest daughter (my gg grandmother) > Olivia V. CHAMBERLAIN HANFORD JOHNSON MOORE. John T. BELIEU died in 1869 and > Mariah married for the 3rd time to Madison M. SMITH (no relation that we've > found). So she died with the same name she was born with! She, John T. > BELIEU, Madison SMITH, Olivia and her 2nd and 3rd husbands and 4 of her > children are all buried in a row in Smith Cemetery just outside of Monmouth, > Polk Co.. We believe that John CHAMBERLAIN is the "Juan Chamberlain" buried > in the old section of the Dallas Cemetery in Dallas, Polk Co.. I have > lots of wonderful stories about the infamous John CHAMBERLAIN (who was > referred to as "the promiscuous Irish blacksmith of the [Sutter's] fort" in > one book, and leads me to believe he was quite a lady's man in his batchelor > days). He arrived in Monterey in 1839 and was the government blacksmith at > Sutter's Fort at one time. I'll be glad to pass copies along to you in the > future (my files are a complete mess right now). > > James SMITH settled on the Little Luckiamute River in "Lewisville" area of > Polk Co.. Son John H. SMITH was next to his claim to the north. John > CHAMBERLAIN's land claim was north of that in "Bridgeport" area. Buena Vista > is on the Willamette River. > > Kathy Hanford Merz <kathinwa@aol.com> .... the lazy emailer ;-) <<< Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 6:42:17 AM From: rasmith@wcn.net Subj: Re: MARIAH AND JOHN CHAMBERLIN MARION COUNTY OREGON To: KathinWA@aol.com cc: pinkya@gte.net, arlieholt@aol.com Hi Kathy -- that's a very complete answer to which I would offer only a couple of small updates, an anecdote, and a wuestion for you. James Smith's DLC was at the junction of the Big and Little Lukiamute rivers (where they camped upon arrival on December 31, 1846, destitute from the disaster of the Southern Route), and his son John's was on the Little Lukiamute just north of him. Daughter Minerva Jane Smith used her middle name too, and the Longs settled in Oakland not Yoncalla in Douglas county, on John Long Road, where our cousin Robert Long's family has lived to this day. The first and only Long child born in Polk county was named John James Long for his father John Long and grandfather James Smith, and married Jesse Applegate's daughter Sallie and Robert Long still has a cabinet Jesse hand made them as a wedding present. Didn''t John Chamberlin eventually return to Polk county to live out his life in the care of one of his children, or some such? cousin Ross >>> {{Kathy here again}} A little side note to Ross's note... Yes John CHAMBERLAIN did return to Polk Co., he had written a letter to son John Wesley CHAMBERLAIN in 1889 (obviously a response to a request for information regarding his family) and it referred to his sisters and brothers (who seemingly did not accompany him from Ireland in 1831/2 with he and his sisters (Susan, Jane, Fannie & Marie). He referred to the brothers as Richard and "Offie" (probably short for Theophelis, my guess anyway) being younger than he. He stated that he had not heard from his family in quite a long time. In my own research, I did find one of the older sisters, Jane, who married a James TWIST and resided in PA and OH. I have corresponded with a descendant of them. As far as the others, I have not been able to verify their existances. As far as going further back on the father James SMITH and your gggg grandmother Elizabeth WRIGHT. I haven't been so lucky. Smiths in Virginia seem to have been a dime a dozen ;-) I had better luck on my gggg grandmother's line - as my gggg Mariah KEELE was daughter of Isaac KEELE & Patience KERR (d/o James KERR & Patience WELLS). The WELLS line has been facinating. I still think that it is entirely possible that the SMITHs were there as well, but separating and dissecting them all is discouraging, so I quickly lose interest..... sigh. Maybe you might have better luck! I think that Elizabeth WRIGHT's line is trackable. Since she is not my line, I have not pursued them, but I did find traces of them in my researching. Many of the Oregon Trail folks intermingled for many years prior to their trip to Oregon Territory in the 1840s, many of the names I find with my family in Oregon, are together when I trace them back to MO, IL, KY, VA and everywhere else. Kathy Hanford Merz <KathinWA@aol.com> CHAMBERLAIN (1846), SMITH (1846), HANFORD (1855?), MULKEY (1852), HILLIARD (by 1859)