In case it might be helpful somehow....Leonidas is a French name. Albert Albert Edward Belanger ACGS #1836 128 Middle Road Brentwood, NH 03833 skipb@nh.ultranet.com [Researching:SEAL of VA; 1851 Oregon Trail: BLANCHARD,BOWMAN,HALL,SLOW,KE(M)PLER LINK, NOLAN(D)] -----Original Message----- From: Judy Driscoll [mailto:jadris44@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:28 PM To: OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Seonidas See I suspect you may be dealing with a misinterpretation of the handwriting on the original file by the abstractor. If you don't find a connection, try Leonidas Lee. (I know that Leonidas was an old fashioned name.) I find that on handwritten census records, Cursive L's often look like cursive S's. Judy Driscoll _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

I suspect you may be dealing with a misinterpretation of the handwriting on the original file by the abstractor. If you don't find a connection, try Leonidas Lee. (I know that Leonidas was an old fashioned name.) I find that on handwritten census records, Cursive L's often look like cursive S's. Judy Driscoll _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

The old Indian chief sat in his reservation hut, smoking the ceremonial pipe, eyeing the two US government officials sent to interview him. "Chief Two Eagles," one official began, "you have observed the white man for many generations. You have seen his wars and his products. You have seen all his progress, and all his problems." The chief nodded. The official continued, "Considering recent events, in your opinion, where has the white man gone wrong? "The chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and then calmly replied. "When white man found the land, Indians were running it. No taxes. No debt. Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver. Women did most of the work. Medicine man free. Indian men hunted and fished all the time" The chief smiled, and added quietly, "White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that."

In a message dated 3/11/02 11:07:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, OREGON-TRAIL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > stormsee@worldnet.att.net > Census Place: Heppner, Umatilla, Oregon Source: FHL Film 1255084 National Archives Film T9-1084 Page 78B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Seonidas H. SEE Other M W W 30 IA Occ: School Teacher Fa: NJ Mo: NY<< Hope this helps: 1880 Oregon, Umatilla Co., Heppner twp., page 22 (78B), ED #113, June 22, 1880 Line 26, SEE, Seonidas H., white, male, 30, Boarder, widowed, #of months unemployed 3, birthplace IA, Father NJ, Mother NY living with: line 12 house 167, family 194 Swimburne, Eugene R. along with 19 other boarders. Andrea

In a message dated 3/11/02 11:07:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, OREGON-TRAIL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > .) > The person's name was Seonida H. See His relation was Other and that is > a curious one. Other is probably boarder. Especially since he is a teacher. Andrea

I'm not laughing. Kathy Jerman Albert Belanger <skipb@nh.ultranet.com> wrote: The old Indian chief sat in his reservation hut, smoking the ceremonial pipe, eyeing the two US government officials sent to interview him. "Chief Two Eagles," one official began, "you have observed the white man for many generations. You have seen his wars and his products. You have seen all his progress, and all his problems." The chief nodded. The official continued, "Considering recent events, in your opinion, where has the white man gone wrong? "The chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and then calmly replied. "When white man found the land, Indians were running it. No taxes. No debt. Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver. Women did most of the work. Medicine man free. Indian men hunted and fished all the time" The chief smiled, and added quietly, "White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that." --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!

If you are familiar with census this would be a bit clearer. Obviously the place was Heppner Oregon (before Morrow Co became a county it was Umatilla Co.) The person's name was Seonida H. See His relation was Other and that is a curious one. The person was a Male, Widow, White, 30 years of age and born in Iowa. His occupation was Teacher, his Father was born in NJ and his Mother born in NY. Hope this helps. Marlene

Hi, I want to thank everyone who has contacted me about my Thomas Musick/Lucy Boone ancestry. You've been a big help an I've made some progress. I posted the following to the Boone list, thought I'd post it here too... I was going through some of my grandfather's things, and found an old picture (postcard). Maybe someone will recognize these names... Postcard (picture of two boys) sent from Mrs. J.A. Boone in Marshfield Oregon, postmarked Oct 13, 1910 to my grandfather's cousin, Mary Levar in North Bend Oregon (Mary was daughter of Addie Musick Levar and granddaughter of Lucy Boone Musick). The sender of the postcard writes "Two dirty little boys from Marshfield" and someone (I presume Addie Musick, looks like her handwriting) writes below that ... Mark & Harold Boone. Anyone??? Carrie

In a message dated 3/11/2002 4:16:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, stormsee@worldnet.att.net writes: > Sure would like I.D. this one to some body > > > Census Place: Heppner, Umatilla, Oregon > Source: FHL Film 1255084 National Archives Film T9-1084 Page 78B > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > Seonidas H. SEE Other M W W 30 IA > Occ: School Teacher Fa: NJ Mo: NY > Must be some sort of code of some strange new langauge, just what are you talking about anyway. Walt Davies

Sure would like I.D. this one to some body Census Place: Heppner, Umatilla, Oregon Source: FHL Film 1255084 National Archives Film T9-1084 Page 78B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Seonidas H. SEE Other M W W 30 IA Occ: School Teacher Fa: NJ Mo: NY

A few findings from my recent 1853 research. here in Portland area. and maybe i am last of a group like this to know this Oreg Hist Soc Libr. They have a large set of manuscript files about Oreg trail. Folders with 2 to 20 pages of info. Also a number of books/diaries in the stacks. both require OHS staff to get them. They have card files for these, chronological and alphabetical. OHS has OPAT index and books. I had never heard of OPAT (Oregon Pioneer Assoc Transactions) They quit about 1928 but a lot of Oregon Trail stuff in them OHS has 4 or 5 Oregon trail bibliographies, one has a list of many of the overlanders saying in which diary they can be found. These are out front on the shelves Oregon City Library. They have the OPAT books though no index, better hours and easier parking Oak Lodge Libr. They have several Oregon Trail diaries on the shelf.

Hi, I am a new subscriber to this list. Following is an outline of John Tucker Scott's family and their married lines. I'm hoping to gather further insight into this family through this list. Any/all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. John Tucker Scott & his family (by 1st wife, Anne Roelofson) came from Tazewell Co., IL to Oregon in 1852. Descendants of John Tucker Scott 1 John Tucker Scott b: February 18, 1809 in Washington Co., Kentucky d: September 01, 1880 in Forest Grove, Washington Co., Oregon Burial: Forest Grove, Washington Co., Oregon .. +Anne Roelofson b: July 26, 1811 in Henderson Co., Kentucky d: June 20, 1852 in near Ft. Laramie, Nebraska Territory (now Wyoming) m: October 22, 1830 in Tremont, Tazewell Co., Illinois Burial: 30 miles west of Ft. Laramie, Nebraska Territory (now Wyoming) 2 James Lawrence Scott b: November 28, 1831 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: March 17, 1833 in Tazewell Co., Illinois 2 Mary Frances Scott b: May 19, 1833 in Groveland, Tazewell Co., Illinois d: September 09, 1930 in Portland, Oregon .... +Amos Cook b: 1816 in Maine d: February 06, 1895 in LaFayette, Yamhill Co., Oregon m: August 16, 1853 in Lafayette, Oregon Burial: Forest Grove Cemetery, Yamhill Co., Oregon ... 3 Edith Cook b: 1853 in Lafayette, Oregon d: 1855 in Lafayette, Oregon ... 3 Lillian Cook b: 1856 in Oregon ....... +W. P. Olds ... 3 Agnes Cook b: 1859 in Oregon ....... +W. L. Bradshaw ... 3 Louis Cook b: 1861 in Lafayette, Yamhill Co., Oregon d: 1864 in Lafayette, Yamhill Co., Oregon ... 3 Maude Cook b: 1866 in Oregon ....... +F. P. Young ... 3 Pearl Cook b: 1874 in Oregon 2 Abigail Jane Scott b: October 22, 1834 in Groveland Township, Tazewell Co., Illinois d: October 11, 1915 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon .... +Benjamin Charles Duniway b: March 24, 1830 in Griggsville, Pike Co., Illinois d: August 04, 1895 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon m: August 01, 1853 in Lafayette, Oregon ... 3 Clara Belle Duniway b: May 26, 1854 in Clackamas Co., Oregon d: Bet. January 21 - 26, 1886 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon ....... +Doran H. Stearns m: March 20, 1877 in Vancouver, Washington ... 3 Willis Scott Duniway b: February 02, 1856 in Clackamas Co., Oregon d: August 05, 1913 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon ....... +Mary Alice MacCormac d: July 23, 1957 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon m: December 25, 1894 in Astoria, Oregon ... 3 Hubert Ray Duniway b: March 24, 1859 in Lafayette, Oregon d: November 28, 1938 in New York, New York Co., New York ....... +Ida Lesley d: November 22, 1882 in Oregon m: November 17, 1881 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon ... *2nd Wife of Hubert Ray Duniway: ....... +Cora Parsons m: June 24, 1884 in Portland, Oregon ... *3rd Wife of Hubert Ray Duniway: ....... +Eleanora Allen m: April 29, 1910 in Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois ... 3 Wilkie Collins Duniway b: February 13, 1861 in Lafayette, Yamhill Co., Oregon d: May 31, 1927 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon ....... +Wilhelmina Barck d: July 19, 1941 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon m: May 17, 1894 in Portland, Oregon ... 3 Clyde Augustus Duniway b: November 02, 1866 in Albany, Oregon d: December 24, 1944 in Stanford University, Palo Alto, Santa Clara Co., California Burial: Northfield, Minnesota ....... +Caroline Moreland Cushing b: September 06, 1871 in Monterey Co., California d: December 15, 1926 in St. Paul, Minnesota m: June 01, 1906 in Oakland, California ... 3 Ralph Roelofson Duniway b: November 07, 1869 in Albany, Oregon d: December 07, 1920 in Portland, Oregon ....... +Katherine Schermerhorn d: January 08, 1941 in Portland, Oregon m: September 20, 1894 in Portland, Oregon 2 Margaret Ann Scott b: October 27, 1836 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: September 24, 1865 in Tillamook Co., Oregon Burial: Tillamook Pioneer Cemetery, Tillamook Co., Oregon .... +George W. Fearnside b: 1828 in New York or Rhode Island d: December 1900 in Oregon m: April 04, 1854 in Oregon Territory ... 3 Daugther Fearnside b: Bet. 1855 - 1865 ....... +A. B. Eastman ... 3 Daughter Fearnside b: Bet. 1856 - 1865 ....... +Charles Smith ... 3 Anna Fearnside b: Bet. 1857 - 1865 ... 3 Hellen Fearnside b: Abt. 1861 ... 3 Margaret B. Fearnside b: Abt. 1863 ....... +E. M. Philebaum 2 Harvey Whitefield Scott b: February 01, 1838 in Groveland, Tazewell Co., Illinois d: August 07, 1910 in Baltimore, Maryland Burial: Riverview Cemetery, Portland, Oregon .... +Elizabeth Nicklin d: 1875 m: October 1865 ... 3 John Harvey Lawrence Scott ... 3 Kenneth Scott *2nd Wife of Harvey Whitefield Scott: .... +Margaret McChesney m: 1876 in Latrobe, Pennsylvania ... 3 Leslie M. Scott ... 3 Ambrose B. Scott ... 3 Judith M. Scott 2 Catharine Amanada Scott b: November 30, 1839 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: May 27, 1913 in Portland, Multnomah Co., Oregon .... +John R. Coburn b: July 05, 1830 in Morgan Co., Ohio d: July 15, 1868 in Canemah, Oregon m: June 23, 1857 in Clackamas Co., Oregon ... 3 Ada Coburn ....... +Albert Hawkins ... 3 Daughter Coburn ....... +Son Pillsbury ... 3 Daughter Coburn ....... +Son Slauson ... 3 Daughter Coburn 2 Harriet Louise Scott b: March 09, 1841 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: January 03, 1930 in Seattle, Washington .... +William R. McCord b: 1830 in New York d: 1923 m: November 25, 1856 in Oregon ... 3 Dora McCord ....... +L. R. Archer ... 3 Jessie McCord ... 3 Myrtle McCord ....... +Philip Huf ... 3 James Sterling McCord ... 3 Child McCord ... 3 Child McCord *2nd Husband of Harriet Louise Scott: .... +Isaac A. Palmer d: 1907 m: Aft. 1856 2 John Henry Scott b: October 01, 1843 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: May 01, 1862 in Forest Grove, Oregon 2 Edward Scott b: March 03, 1845 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: April 1845 in Tazewell Co., Illinois 2 Sarah Maria Scott b: April 22, 1847 in Illinois d: November 24, 1901 in Yamhill Co., Oregon .... +James Munroe Kelty b: Abt. 1843 in Indiana d: November 24, 1901 in Yamhill Co., Oregon m: June 23, 1869 in Yamhill Co., Oregon ... 3 Edith M. Kelty b: May 1870 in Oregon ....... +Son Alderman ... 3 Paul R. Kelty b: Abt. 1872 in Oregon d: March 11, 1944 in Yamhill Co., Oregon ... 3 Carl Scott Kelty b: Abt. 1877 in Oregon ... 3 Emily Queen Kelty b: Aft. 1880 ....... +Son Riesland 2 William Neill Scott b: December 30, 1848 in Illinois d: August 27, 1852 in Burnt River Valley on the Oregon Trail; now Baker Co., Oregon 2 Alice Scott b: September 08, 1851 in Tazewell Co., Illinois d: September 08, 1851 in Groveland, Tazewell Co., Illinois *2nd Wife of John Tucker Scott: .. +Ruth Eckler b: 1829 in ?Danville, Illinois d: March 30, 1906 in Klamath Falls, Oregon m: March 15, 1853 in Salem, Oreton Territory 2 Rhoda Ellen Scott b: November 04, 1855 d: in Oregon City, Oregon .... +Clinton Latourette b: 1856 2 Ward Beecher Scott b: September 26, 1863 in Forest Grove, Oregon d: September 17, 1895 in Oregon Any additional information and/or corrections, please contact me. Be well & God bless, Kate Beaugrand Cook Minnesota kbcook@cfaith.com or kbcook@mn.rr.com ><> God bless America! <><

In a message dated 3/2/02 9:03:28 AM !!!First Boot!!!, OREGON-TRAIL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Cox@Cox.net >>

Well, this is interesting. My first cousin twice removed Frank Iles Jones married Anna Pearl Bilyou who died two months after giving birth to a son. Frank lived with his in laws Andrew Jackson Bilyou for a time after the death of his wife according to the census records with two children Gladys and Gayle(Gail)the son, not sure of the correct spelling have seen it three different ways. I have been trying to find the descendents of these two children. Have some leads but have not pursued them. I have not seen anyone on this list before researching this family so this was a nice surprise this morning. Have info on the Iles family if anyone is interested. Regards, Lorelee Iles Dendauw

Hi listers: Now that my ISP is getting it's act together I can make use of the storage space I pay for. One of the first pages I published is: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/ . This is a menu page for most of my www pages. I've tested most of the links on all pages on the menu, but now and then somebody goes away, so let me know if you find a broken link. Each link should open in a new window; this is true for my other pages also. This will speed things up when you take a side trip. Just close or minimise those pages to return to my primary page. RootsWeb demanded that I remove the B Box from their server. Well it's back; on mine! The Bitch Box is not what you think it might be. It's simply me and others sounding off about life. There are no 4 letter words; except when required. Some of it is great reading! I will be adding more links to my menu page. So stay tuned. Cecil Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I PO Box 530833 San Diego CA 92153 res San Diego CA 92154-3654 NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/

Just joined this list. I belong to a few other lists and usually the list name is in e-mail. like Oreg-trail-l, etc So far all have not shown that. i have almost deleted some because could neither idenitfy e-mailer or sublect. had 8 direct line ancestors on oreg trail in 1852 (Bailey, Stephens, Field, Stormer, Ogle). Drove most of the trail in 1999. Have been doing some recent research on 1853 Phil in oreg

Hello Rose; I most certainly remember you....Good to hear from you again after all these years. I know you have spent many years on the Bilyeu families of Oregon and I remember the journals you printed years ago called BILYEU BY YOU. I have been on the internet since last July and am enjoying it so much. At the end of 2001, I gave up publication of my newsletter (SEEKING 'N SEARCHING ANCESTORS) after 18 years......My husband and I have both had health problems for awhile (we're both diabetic), so I decided to spend more time researching my families which had fallen by the wayside. I have a website you might like to see. It is called OUT OF THE PAST and can be seen at the following address: http://members.tripod.com/devere8/ My weekly newspaper articles are online at this site. I have some stories on the site about the Bilyeu, Kinder, Biggers, and other families who left Miller County in the 1850s and went to Oregon Territory.........so good to hear from you again and please keep in touch. Best wishes from our Osage River country in the northern Ozarks of Missouri. Peggy Hake peghake@yhti.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Terry" <RMTerry@prodigy.net> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Fw: CROSSING THIS COUNTRY (from ListMom) > Peggy Hake!!! > > Where did you come from?!?!?!? > I haven't talked to you in years! (Snail talked) > > I'm Rose Terry, I use to be a subscriber to your Miller Co, Mo > newsletter.... how have you been? It's been a long time! > > I'm a BILYEU, William (born 1795) was my ancestor, do you > remember me? > > Rose Terry > OREGON TRAIL Mail List mom (RootsWeb) > > > > > Peggy Hake wrote: > > > > Cecil.....Thank you for the fantastic trip across the Oregon Trail and other > > points west. I traveled to Linn County, Oregon in 1990 from Miller County, > > MO and had a wonderful time visiting the many sites along the old route. > > Enjoyed Old Ft. Kearney, Chimney Rock, Courthouse Rock, Scottsbluff. I saw > > some of the old wagon tracks that are still visible in Nebraska and Wyoming. > > It is a trip I will never, never forget.....Also got to visit Bilyeu Den > > Cemetery in Linn County where my great, great, great grandparents are buried > > (Peter and Jane Coker Bilyeu-----Pioneers of 1852-53)........Your website is > > wonderful and the armchair trip was great! > > Peggy Hake, Miller County, MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:02 PM > > Subject: CROSSING THIS COUNTRY > ... > -- > oooO Oooo > || || > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > { Current publications available at: } > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess > { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } > { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > ( @ @ ) || > \ / || > ||| || > 0ooo > Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings. > >

Peggy Hake!!! Where did you come from?!?!?!? I haven't talked to you in years! (Snail talked) I'm Rose Terry, I use to be a subscriber to your Miller Co, Mo newsletter.... how have you been? It's been a long time! I'm a BILYEU, William (born 1795) was my ancestor, do you remember me? Rose Terry OREGON TRAIL Mail List mom (RootsWeb) Peggy Hake wrote: > > Cecil.....Thank you for the fantastic trip across the Oregon Trail and other > points west. I traveled to Linn County, Oregon in 1990 from Miller County, > MO and had a wonderful time visiting the many sites along the old route. > Enjoyed Old Ft. Kearney, Chimney Rock, Courthouse Rock, Scottsbluff. I saw > some of the old wagon tracks that are still visible in Nebraska and Wyoming. > It is a trip I will never, never forget.....Also got to visit Bilyeu Den > Cemetery in Linn County where my great, great, great grandparents are buried > (Peter and Jane Coker Bilyeu-----Pioneers of 1852-53)........Your website is > wonderful and the armchair trip was great! > Peggy Hake, Miller County, MO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:02 PM > Subject: CROSSING THIS COUNTRY ... -- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

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