Listers: The Vanport Flood washed away Vanport City, the largest public housing project ever built in the United States, at 4:05 p.m. on May 30, 1948, when the dike holding back the Columbia River gave way. The city, at one time responsible for housing nearly 50,000 people after construction was completed in 1943, was underwater by nightfall. Fifteen people died in the flood. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/vanport/ Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I PO Box 530833 San Diego CA 92153 res San Diego CA 92154-3654 NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/

After the completion of the transcontinental railroad (with the driving of the "golden spike" in 1869) the railroads proliferated pretty quickly. I have doubts about covered wagons crossing the Oregon Trail as late as 1914 (but you're welcome to convince me). Automobiles were in pretty widespread use by then, weren't they? My grandfather was killed while loading horses into a boxcar in Montana in 1906, shipping them for overseas delivery in the Boer War. The following dates are taken from a "Railroad History" web site at: http://www.sdrm.org/history/timeline/ 1869: The Central Pacific and Union Pacific meet at Promontory Summit, Utah for the driving of the golden spike on May 10th. 1883: The Northern Pacific is completed at Gold Creek, Montana. 1883: The Southern Pacific is completed. 1885: The Santa Fe is completed. 1893: The Great Northern is completed in the Cascade Mountains of Washington. The following sites have 1891 maps of both the Northern Pacific and the Great Northern. The maps are big, so they take a few minutes to load. Very interesting! The 1891 Grain Dealers and Shippers Gazetteer Northern Pacific Railroad Route Map 1891 http://www.livgenmi.com/1891shippersgaznp.htm The 1891 Grain Dealers and Shippers Gazetteer Great Northern Railroad Route Map 1891 http://www.livgenmi.com/1891shippersgazgn.htm Marilyn Schwartz Bellingham, WA (Note to Shirley: My Welsh great-great-grandparents came to Pomeroy, WA, around 1880. I'd have to look up dates and I'm too tired right now.)

At 06:18 PM 3/14/02 -0800, you wrote: > When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? >Doneva Oregon Jim already got in with an answer while I was offline composing my answer, but mine overlaps and complements the info he provided, so I am adding it to the list, as well: First, the trains: Oregon was connected to the rest of the country by train on September 8, 1883, when the last spike was driven on the Northern Pacific Route at Gold Creek, Montana. The route became the Great Northern and is now part of the UP, and is the route taken by the Empire Builder (I think that's the name) between Portland and Chicago. The first train from the east arrived at Portland on September 8, 1883. Source: Merchants, Money, & Power, E. Kimbark MacColl, The Georgian Press, 1988; page 225 The last spike on the UP RR to Portland, Oregon, was driven in 1884 at Huntington, Oregon, near Farewell Bend on the Snake River and train service began December 1884. That route continues as a freight route only paralleling Interstate 84, more or less, into and across Idaho. Service had been in place somewhat longer, but this line was not transcontinental until December 1884. Sources: Plaque at UP RR yard, Huntington, Oregon MM&P, page 249 Southern Pacific completed its line from California and the first train from San Francisco arrived at Portland on December 19, 1887. Source: MM&P, page 250. And then the covered wagons: People continued to come to Oregon (obviously I am writing from an Oregon vantage) by wagon until the 1920s for reasons related to costs and the fact that the west was bigger than the trains could cover. The building of paved roads began the end of the wagon era. Rick Steber's book LAST OF THE PIONEERS relates stories of people who came to Oregon into the 1920s by wagon. They were solitary families by then, no big wagon trains. You can find the book at Powell's City of Books which has a very good section on Oregon and the Oregon Trail <<http://www.powells.com/>> Stafford Hazelett

> When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? >Doneva You are actually asking too, relatively unrelated questions. The first trains to Oregon did not end the use of covered wagons. Not everyone could afford passage for their families and belongings. All of the answers you got assumed the first trains to Oregon were transcontinentals from the east. The first train in Oregon was the Oregon Pony, now on display at Cascade Locks, on the portage railroad around the Cascades of the Columbia. The Pony replaced mule powered railroads in 1862. Portage railroads were in Oregon since 1850. The first railroad to connect Oregon with the rest of the nation began in Portland in 1865. It was originally called the California and Oregon but was reorganized in 1868 as the Oregon and California. The intent was to connect with the central Pacific at Sacramento. It reached Oregon City Dec 31, 1869. It gained a new owner, Ben Holladay, in 1870. It stalled at Roseburg in 1873 following a major US depression. To preserve the investments of a group of German investors, Henry Villard was sent to the US. He developed a fund called the Blind Trust to purchase several lines, including the Northern Pacific, O&CRR, Central Pacific and Southern Pacific. The O&C linked with the Southern Pacific near Ashland at Siskyou Summit in 1887. The first railroad to Oregon from the east, and more closely linked to the demise of the Oregon Trail was the Oregon Short Line, a subsidiary of the Union Pacific headed by EH Harriman, starting at Granger, Wyoming, in 1883. Utilizing previous routes including the Walla Walla Railroad, the Oregon Railway & Navigation Company, a subsidiary of Villard's Northern Pacific, started in Portland. The two railroads met at Huntington, Oregon, in 1884. Other railroads including the Oregon Central (1863 RR that merged into the O&C), Oregon Trunk (1908-1911 Wishram to Bend and later Klamath Falls and the SP at Weed, Calif) and the Spokane, Portland and Seattle (SP&S, 1912 Columbia River north bank RR) linked Oregon with the rest of the world. Famous names in Oregon railroading: Ben Holladay, Henry Villard, EH Harriman, James J Hill, Sam Hill -- Jim Tompkins Beavercreek, Oregon Oregon History Instructor: Clackamas Community College Adult Education History Research: Oregon History, Oregon Trail, Barlow Road Author: Spirits of the Oregon Trail, Discovering Laurel Hill, The Road to Oregon, The City at Willamette Falls Board member: Oregon Trail Foundation (End of the Oregon Trail Interpretive Center) Sons and Daughters of Oregon Pioneers, Beavercreek United Church of Christ Northwest Chapter of the Oregon-California Trails Assn. (Vice President) http://www.rutnut.com

1883 was when Oregon got a transcontinental train. Calif got one earlier

At 08:36 PM 3/14/02 -0800, Shirley Johnson wrote: >Hi Beth and others, > >The train came to this little - 1500 population - town of Pomeroy, in >southeastern Washington in 1886. I know that for sure because the line was >taken out in 1986, exactly 100 years after the beginning. This line came out >of Walla Walla but there was also a line that ran up the Snake River to >Lewiston, ID and I don't know what year that one was built. At one time >there was a plan to run the Pomeroy line across the Alpowaii summit to >connect with the Lewiston line but it never happened. That is fascinating to know. Somewhere I've seen a map that as I remember had small little "fingers" of railroads going into several areas of eastern Washington but don't remember that they were dated. What is the county for Pomeroy? Beth [remainder of message snipped]

Hi Beth and others, The train came to this little - 1500 population - town of Pomeroy, in southeastern Washington in 1886. I know that for sure because the line was taken out in 1986, exactly 100 years after the beginning. This line came out of Walla Walla but there was also a line that ran up the Snake River to Lewiston, ID and I don't know what year that one was built. At one time there was a plan to run the Pomeroy line across the Alpowaii summit to connect with the Lewiston line but it never happened. It would be interesting to find out just when the last wagon train came west. Shirley Johnson ----- Original Message ----- > At 06:18 PM 3/14/02 -0800, Doneva Shepard wrote: > > > When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? > >Doneva > > Although the country was "connected coast to coast" in 1869, that > connection led to California. The next transcontinental connection wasn't > until 1881, and that also led to California. I believe train lines didn't > begin to appear in Oregon and Washington until the 1890s, so anyone > traveling directly to those places most likely used the Oregon Trail. > > I remember seeing a message a few years ago about people traveling the > Oregon Trail, presumably by wagon, as late as 1914 or 1924. > > Beth Perry Johnston >

Hi Doneva... I hope you get some other more precise answers from this..... my "top of the head" answer is that the UP RR went across the US in 1868, but it was a long time before all the little towns and other places had some sort of public transportation. The "feeder" stage routes sprung up to the towns and far out places that emigrants wanted to go to, but still there were folks who couldn't afford the train or stage, and relied upon the covered wagon. I'm not sure about covered wagons, but I do know that regular stage routes were still running up until about 1920 in the northwest.... Oregon, Washington, Montana, Wyoming, Northern California, etc. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doneva Shepard" <donevas@yahoo.com> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Trains > > When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? > Doneva > > > > my entire genealogy database, 45,000+ names > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=donevanell > (be sure entire URL fits in your Address bar) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage >

At 06:18 PM 3/14/02 -0800, Doneva Shepard wrote: > When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? >Doneva Although the country was "connected coast to coast" in 1869, that connection led to California. The next transcontinental connection wasn't until 1881, and that also led to California. I believe train lines didn't begin to appear in Oregon and Washington until the 1890s, so anyone traveling directly to those places most likely used the Oregon Trail. I remember seeing a message a few years ago about people traveling the Oregon Trail, presumably by wagon, as late as 1914 or 1924. Beth Perry Johnston

When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? Doneva my entire genealogy database, 45,000+ names http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=donevanell (be sure entire URL fits in your Address bar) --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage

Hi Folks this is the message from the See Family List. marilyn David See wrote: > on 3/14/02 6:40 PM, Marilyn Demas at schoolbell@ulink.net wrote: > > > Are you sure? That's funny!!! There has been quite a discussion on > > our NorCal List about the name being "Leonidas" as opposed to Seonidas > > or other like suggestions but only one person suggested that the name > > may be Lee not see and that was very early in the conversation, but just > > today I thought that someone came up wit it being See. I'll go back in > > and see what was said. > > marilyn > > > > > > That's what Storm See told me, that the name was Leonidas Lee. > > > To all ,I recieved mail from Virginia > gugin@oregontrail.net that this > > person was Leonidias LEE a well known school teacher in Heppner OR. way back > > when, contact her via the email address if interested she has more on him > > another case of See when should have been LEE ............STORM > stormsee@worldnet.att.net > > Early on in research when looking at censuses I learned to watch out for the > confusion. I'd be looking at names like See, Sockwood, Songstreet, and would > begin to realize something was wrong. It works both ways, L to S and S to L > > Dave

thanks for sending all this. It really is enjoyable and informative. I appreciate the effort that goes into it. thanks, Paulina

Listers: "Across the Plains in 1844" by Catherine Sager Pringle (c. 1860) http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resources/archives/two/sager1.htm is her account of making the trek to Oregon. On the way she gained a sister, and lost both parents. She was taken in by the Whitmans, and her two brothers were killed in the Whitman massacre. She is related to me by marriage. The story is good reading. Cecil Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I PO Box 530833 San Diego CA 92153 res San Diego CA 92154-3654 NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/

I subscribed to the Oregon Trail List about 2 weeks ago and have enjoyed the stories that come across my monitor about our forefathers crossing the nation to settle the western lands. I send a 'thank you' to all who take the time to put these stories on the website for the enjoyment of history buffs such as myself. Eyewitness reports are priceless and ageless. Peggy

We had followed the Platte River for a long ways before we came to a big cottonwood grove, where we made our camp. Our guide, Capt. Gantt, told us that we must cross the river at that place. We had been in the buffalo country for several weeks and our hunters had saved the green hides to be ready for the crossing of the Platte, when we came to it. So the wagons were all taken apart and the wet rawhides were drawn over the big wagon boxes and nailed, then they were placed in the sun till the hides were drawn as tight as drum heads. Broken or thin places were rubbed well with pitch till the improvised boats were adjudged fully "sea worthy" and were launched to be loaded with our stuff and the running gear and wheels. The cargoes were then topped off with the women and children and the men who could not swim. The Platte is a broad river, too broad to be spanned by ropes in order that the rude boats might be reeled in by men or oxen on the opposite bank. So short ropes were attached to the fronts and the sides of the boats and eight men, two in front and three at each side, holding the ropes in their teeth, swam and towed the wobbly, tilting barges to the opposite bank. The men on either side served to keep our barges steady and on an "even keel." They were to us what outriggers are to a surf boat. The two men in front probably supplied the greater part of the motive power, so the going was very slow. When one boat had crossed, the swimmers went back to help the next in turn. Back and forth they went. My Father and two of my brothers spent the greater part of the two weeks in the water, for it took that long to ferry everyone across. I remember sitting there all tucked up, very comfortable and contented, watching the ripples of the water watching it wash and splash across my Father's big broad shoulders. They looked as white as milk and his arms seemed so long and muscular as they drove him against the strong current of the Platte. Oh! but I was mighty proud of him. On the way across one of our swimmers fainted and would have gone down, if Father had not caught him and helped to put him in the boat. So we made the trip with only seven helpers. Now and then our boat would rock and tilt as the strong currents caught and attempted to sport with it. Then Father would steady it with one hand while he swam along side of us with the other. Some of the men who had extra tender skins and had made many trips across and back again, were many a long day getting rid of the blisters. My brother Adam, was blistered so badly that he was quite sick and had a high fever. Mother doctored him with flour and cream. We crossed on the fourth day of July and Peter H. Burnett who was later the first Governor of California crossed a few minutes later. I remember that because aunt Rachel, who had gone over some days before, had a big dinner all cooked and ready for us. Someone had killed a buffalo and aunt had a great pan of juicy steaks all broiled and piping hot. We were terribly hungry and after the steaks were eaten, we found that they had been broiled over buffalo "chips". Mrs. Burnett was not altogether happy about it. She even said that she would have "starved before shewould have eaten anything cooked on them if she had known it". I guess that was not altogether true, for a few mornings later, the Hon. Peter H. was surprised when he had gone out about daylight to gather a good supply before other people were up. The boys said he was gathering them in a big white table cloth. Dry fuel of any kind was very scarce, so even the finicky ones were compelled to use them, and after a time, used them in preference, when other fuel was plentiful. They were good tinderand made beautiful coals that held the heat for a long time. Walt Davies Monmouth, OR

Hi Listers: This is a sample of my gr gr grandfather's narrative about his 1843 crossing of the Oregon Trail. The complete story can be read at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/ford/n-ford.htm Please note: I did not write this! It's Nineveh Ford's narrative ! Nineveh Ford's narrative Time & Place: Room 8 (?) Chemeheta Hotel Salem, Oregon Monday June 17th 1878 Present: Ford & the writer. AB [1] (page numbers of the hand copied original document) Mr. Ford said: I was born in North Carolina on July 15th 1815. Emigrated to Missouri in 1840, and from Missouri to Oregon in 1843. My attention was directed to Oregon by reading Lewis and Clark's journal. The scenery described in that took my fancy; and a desire to see that and to explore the country and return home to North Carolina in 3 years induced me to start. From information from traders and trappers I was confirmed in my intentions. [Note: Although he does not mentioin him, Nineveh's younger brother Ephraim Ford made this crossing with him. Ephraim settled in Yamhill County about three miles South of McMinnville.] In the spring of 1843 Peter H. Burnett of Platte County Missouri and other prominent men were making up a company to go [2] to Oregon. It was in my neighborhood in Platte City. I was acquainted with the parties. There was another object: One grand objective we had was the prospect of obtaining a donation of land if the country was worth staying in. That was the object of Burnett and others to come and colonize this country, to take possession of the United States domain West of the Rocky Mountains. It was not at that time settled to belong to the United States. The controversy was up and there was some influence got to bear to induce people to colonize. The question was agitated in relation to the right and title of the United States to the country. I never heard that the Government desired to colonize. It was all a private movement and we came on our own responsibility. We had not any assurance that the Government would assist or protect us in any manner. Freemont Company which fell in after us I understood was [3] employed by the Government. But we did not travel together and we knew nothing of their going when we were making up a company. We rendezvoused at West Port West of Independence Jackson County Missouri. We Started from there in April. There were between 500 & 700 souls in the party and 113 wagons. Our Captain was Peter H. Burnett. He was chosen Captain at West Port. We had as additional officers Nesmith for ordirly (?) sergeant, he kept the roll of the emigrants, list of wagons and so forth. I do not recollect of any other officers. Our Pilot was John Gannt(?). He was a Mountaineer (?) and had been as far as Fort Hall. He engaged to pilot us as far as Fort Hall. I kept a Journal but my house burnt down and it was destroyed. We were not molested by the Indians beyond horse stealing and driving off cattle and having to pay to get them returned. They were friendly generally. We saw but few. They appeared to be wild and shy and afraid of the [4] wagons. Ours were the first wagons they ever saw, and the first that ever crossed the plains from Missouri with the exception of eleven wagons that came out in 1842 to Fort Hall and there stopped. The persons in that train packed through from Fort Hall. We came to the Buffalo Country on the Platte and there we made boats of beef and buffalo hides - putting them around wagon beds; and for some we made frames. We swam our animals from bar to bar where we could get a footing until we could get across. Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I PO Box 530833 San Diego CA 92153 res San Diego CA 92154-3654 NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/

Boy I take a few days off to visit the nice folks in the hospital and you guys start another WAR shame on yo. Walt Davies Fresh back from the almost dead again.

Okay Dee: You have raised this to a new level. I posted what my grandfather wrote, and you took it to a p....ing contest. Would you please back off? Cecil ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie biegler" <spurs@qwest.net> To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:09 AM Subject: Re: The New Baby and Chief Joseph > My you are a opinionated person, a suggestion on the correction of history > sends you into a rage, > get a life! I think you should get out of your computer room go to the library > and find out that you > incorrectly stated something about history and when attention was drawn to it, > you could not except > the fact that you could be wrong, or others have another opinion. No one wants > a p------ match with > you, most of us have a life and find there are way more serious things in life > to be upset about. > Have a nice day, DEE > > cchouk wrote: > > > Dee: > > > > Please back off. I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you. > > Stop this now. Please. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "eddie biegler" <spurs@qwest.net> > > To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: The New Baby and Chief Joseph > > > > > If we are to preserve genealogy or history it should be correct, sorry if > > that > > > offends you, it offends me to have > > > Indian people's dialect passed on incorrectly, just as white is the word > > white > > > in English language....Su yupi, is the word in the dialect of the this > > region. > > > Papoose is a word I have never heard any indian call a baby, could be it > > was > > > Navaho for all I know, but doubt any Nez Perce ever called his child or > > anyone > > > else's a papoose. > > > > > > I still say, the Nez Perce people lived in the Wallowa Valley of Oregon, > > not > > > Walla Walla prior to the 1870's there is a difference. > > > Dee > > > > > > cchouk wrote: > > > > > > > Dee: > > > > > > > > Thanks for picking the nits. I don't recall saying that Chief Joseph > > was > > > > trying to "save" the Walla Walla Valley. And give me a break on > > "papoose". > > > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I > > > > PO Box 530833 > > > > San Diego CA 92153 > > > > res San Diego CA 92154-3654 > > > > NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net > > > > ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON > > > > Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk > > > > See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk > > > > My Web pages menu: > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/rulaford/menu.htm > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "eddie biegler" <spurs@qwest.net> > > > > To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:20 AM > > > > Subject: Re: The New Baby and Chief Joseph > > > > > > > > > Excuse me but I am not aware of any tribe's dialect in the northwest > > that > > > > uses the name > > > > > or word, "papoose" > > > > > The Valley that Chief Joseph's people were trying to save for their > > people > > > > was not the > > > > > Walla Walla Valley, it was the Wallowa Valley in Oregon. Dee Biegler > > > > /Spokane, Wa. > > > > > > > > > > cchouk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/ccrulaford.htm > > > > > > for the other stories. > > > > > > > > > >

You are probably dealing with Leonidas Lee. He was school teacher in Heppner at that time. If you want more on him, please contact me as I have lots. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <OREGON-TRAIL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V02 #47

Listers: Here's a sample of what you'll find at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/oregon_trail/crossing/munkers.htm CROSSING THE PLAINS IN 1846 AS TOLD BY Mrs. MARY ELIZABETH MUNKERS ESTES WHILE SITTING BY HER FIRESIDE CHRISTMAS EVE 1916 From nearby Liberty, Missouri, in early April 1846, about fifty families prepared to make the journey to the far away Oregon Territory, which then included what is now the states of Oregon, Washington, Idaho and part of Nevada. My father, Benjamin Munkers, was among them. His family was composed of an invalid wife, three married sons and one married daughter, besides five younger children, the youngest a boy of five years. I was then ten years old and still have quite a clear memory of the journey and of conditions of the early days spent in Oregon. All the way across, Mother was unable to do anything, even having to be lifted in and out of the wagon. She made the entire ride on a bed. It was my work to help brother's wife, who managed the cooking for our camp. The Munkers family started out with five wagons drawn by oxen; three yoke to each wagon, thirty head of oxen, fifty head of roan Durham cows and five saddle horses. These made up our herd. Most all the company drove through some stock but I think no other family had so many as we. When we left Missouri, there was a train of about one hundred wagons but that was found to be too large a party to travel together as the teams must be kept up by grazing by the way. So they scattered out under leaders or train captains, as we called them. When we started, a man by the name of Martin was our Captain. Later when our train was much smaller, Ben Simpson, father of Sam L. Simpson, was our head man. The future Poet of Oregon was then Baby Sam of the camp. Many a time I cared for him while his mother was doing the family wash. [Note: Benjamin F. Simpson was the son of my great great great grandfather William Simpson, who was also with this wagon train. Cecil] Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I PO Box 530833 San Diego CA 92153 res San Diego CA 92154-3654 NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/