>Sorry, hit send tooooo soon. > >Vanport was a contraction of Portland, OR & Vancouver, WA which is across the >Columbia River from Portland. > >Currently, on Ebay, there are a number of photo postcards of the Vanport >flood. Enter a search for Vanport. (I have no involvement with these items.) > >Regards, >Marla The Center for Columbia River History at PSU has an interesting piece on the Columbia River Slough at http://ccrh.org/comm/slough/table.htm . If you follow the entire strand by pressing the salmon icon every time you get an excellent history of the area between North Portland and Vancouver. Loaded with photos and sound clips. About 5 pages on Vanport (building, living, the flood). Or you can do a Google search for Vanport Flood. jim

Sorry, hit send tooooo soon. Vanport was a contraction of Portland, OR & Vancouver, WA which is across the Columbia River from Portland. Currently, on Ebay, there are a number of photo postcards of the Vanport flood. Enter a search for Vanport. (I have no involvement with these items.) Regards, Marla

My Heath family and other family came from Mich in 1883 or maybe a year earlier. they were in Sherman Co OR by 1883. Notes taken by one family member says they took the train to San Francisco and then by boat to Seattle. Notes don't say how they got from Seattle to Sherman Co, but notes say my Heaths were already there. Any way the opening of transcontinental rail to Calif, allowed more to come to oregon as well. rather than the long boat trip around the Horn

Go to the search engine google.com, enter Golden Spike Historic Site and you will find lots and lots of information about this event, including the names of the trains and pictures of trains used today for the reenactment. The search engine google.com can almost always find you an answer to questions like yours! Mimi Stang

I don't know the answer to that question either, but my family came to oregon by way of ca and so i was also trying to find that out...trains began to travel west in 1869 but i dont know when people actually started to migrate by train... my people moved from MN to Ca and then N to OR bef 1876.... My gggramma always spoke of the wagon trip as dusty and hard and bumpy, but i do not know if they did the whole trip by wagon... if you get info let me know, please... gloria surname research and locations: 1.LANGE, STONE,BANDY, CONDLEY, VANCLEAVE, HILL, HADLEY, TETZ, , BASEL,UHLMAN/DEU/OR 2.COLLINS,FIEGER,MAGRUDER,LOOMIS, WILLIAMS/WA/OR/CA 3.REDWINE,MOSELEY, WILLIAMS, LONG/TX EACH NUMBER REPRESENTS A SEPERATE LINE ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Doneva Shepard, My grandfather was Roswell Shaw CLARK b 18 July 1859 in Marion county, Oregon. His sister was Martha E. CLARK born c1853 in Marion county, Oregon. She married John L. HALLETT, b 1836 in New York, in December 1870 in Salem, Marion County, Oregon. The following is from "The Oregonian", Portland, Oregon 1 January 1895. John HALLETT "...came to Oregon in April, 1870, and immediately began work on the construction of the Oregon & California railroad, continuing until the road was completed to Roseburg. He completed the West Side road from Cornelius to St. Joe; then bought a large farm in Washington county and engaged for a time in farming and raising blooded stock, when again he became engaged in building the Northern Pacific road from this city to the Sound; also the road from Tacoma to the Carbondale coal fields. His next work was with the Oregon Railway & Navigation. He was appointed superintendent of construction by Chief Engineer H. Thielsen, and began work at Celilo and continued up the Columbia to Wallula Junction. The same fall he moved his forces to Walla Walla and built the road from there to Texas Ferry, on the Snake River, disadvantages during the winter, such as snow, with the thermometer far below zero and the rivers blocked with ice. Early the next spring he moved the forces down to The Dalles and began work on 50 miles of the roughest and most expensive piece of work ever done on the Pacific Coast. At the same time a force was placed on the Umatilla & Pendleton branch, with J.E. Thielsen as assistant superintendent. Late in the fall the forces were moved to the lower cascades and finished to Portland. About this time Mr. Villard came into control of the Northern Pacific, and Mr. Hallett was again sent to the front as chief of construction, J.E. Thielsen remaining behind to complete the work to Portland. Mr. Hallett began at Cocolalla lake 10 miles west of Pend O'reille, and finished his part of the work at the third crossing of the Clark's fork river, the Flathead reservation, in Montana." The railroad work ruined his health and he died 30 December 1894. He had worked from Montana to Puget Sound building railroads. Parents of above was Daniel CLARK, b 1824 in Ireland, came on Oregon trail in 1844 and Berthia HERREN, b 1827 in Indiana, came on Oregon trail in 1845. Stanley Clark

www.google.com would never have brought such interesting dialogue! Doneva MStang5165@aol.com wrote: Go to the search engine google.com, enter Golden Spike Historic Site and you will find lots and lots of information about this event, including the names of the trains and pictures of trains used today for the reenactment. The search engine google.com can almost always find you an answer to questions like yours! Mimi Stang my entire genealogy database, 45,000+ names http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=donevanell (be sure entire URL fits in your Address bar) --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage

In a message dated 3/15/2002 1:20:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, tompkins@bctonline.com writes: > There was an Empire Builder in 1940s. we took it to M/StPaul. but I am not sure of route, we took NP one year and Great Northern another year. The other route had a name I can't remember just now.

In a message dated 3/15/2002 9:51:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, crystalwoman@montana.com writes: > > I never heard of Vancouver City, OR, and it doesn't show up in the USGS > > maps. BTW I lived in Portland 1957-1961. > > > I was in Vanport/Jantzen Beach a day or two before the big flood. Part of Jantzten beach Fun center was closed because it was flooded. we had to take all sorts of back roads to get to heppner cause Columbi Rver Highway was closed, this was well before I-84

Hello: Does anyone know the name (if there was one!) of the train that came from the "east" to meet the "west" and drove the golden spike in Utah?? Or, have any passenger information about that train? My ancestor, Mary Jane HAMILTON was on that train from IL --she was then a widow and had several small children with her! Thanks! Lynn Sullivan

>Just a little clarification for you regarding Jim Hill's posting. I >can't say for sure what he actually meant, since I don't know him at >all, but the Empire Builder's name or function has nothing at all to do >with UPRR or BN or GN. It's the name of the Amtrak run, and I think it >does actually go from Portland to Chicago. Jim's posting was quite a mix >of regular RR lines, but he apparently forgot to mention that he was >also talking about Amtrak's run on all those different lines' tracks. > >A railroad brat, >-- >Cheri Dohnal >editor@historysavers.com Sorry, I was not forgetting Amtrak. I was ignoring Amtrak. It has done more to destroy history than create it. [The belief that the historic name should be a route rather than a train is just one example. Their definition of service is another.] The original topic of this discussion was the first trains to Oregon. Decades before Amtrak. Railroading did not start with Amtrak. Amtrak is a recent player in all this and is using some traditional names, but not in the same manner. There was a rich history of competition between railroad lines, each with their own star attraction - GN's Empire Builder, UP's Portland Rose and California Zephyr, and SP's Coast Starlight, and many others. Ask any old railroader if there was any passenger travel before Amtrak and be prepared for a long lecture. Jim Hill was nicknamed the Empire Builder for his railroading efforts. The Great Northern superliner (the train, not the route) that ran from Seattle to Minneapolis then Chicago was called the Empire Builder with the mountain goat symbol, etc. It had everything to do with the railroad, because there was much competition between lines, each with their own star attraction. Dome cars, scenic calendars, etc. Union Pacific ran the Portland Rose and California Zephyr trains along its Pioneer Route from Portland to Ogden and San Francisco to Chicago (joining at Ogden). Today's Amtrak has taken over all passenger travel, so the routes are no longer associated with a specific railroad. All of their trains look the same, so there is no longer a distinction between trains. [That is sad.] It calls their northern route the Empire Builder. A train from Portland that joins that route at Pasco shares the name. The Amtrak route from Portland to Ogden is the Oregon Pioneer. jim

It does seem to be the same time and same area. Well mom said it was an awful small house and cold back there. She was also only 16-18 y.o. and did not want to be there, as her dad had taken her out of HS from Brooklyn NY and he drove clear across country to go to work there. He took her too and got her a job there as well. She being only 98 lbs was well needed in the small pipe areas of building the ships as many 'ship fitters' had to do. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. It always adds interest to family history if you can find data on an area they were in... Mom hated it and when 18, she said i am going back to Brooklyn, and she did. Happy Trails, Joan > It is the same flood, it was Vanport, not Vancouver City. They didn't live in > shanties, but in defense houses which were prefabs. My mother-in-law bought one > that survived or was in a different site, broke it down, moved it to the coast > and it still stands as a beach cabin 45 years later. > Jean Rotter > > crystalwoman wrote: > > > Well it was a shipyard shanty town near Portland in the early mid-40's for > > sure, built by Kaiser. They built many a ship for the Navy for WW11. > > Mom said they lived in small houses all together and there was a P.O. and it > > was called Vancouver City and ALL gone with a flood sometime after she was > > there. She only stayed and worked there from 16-18 y.o. and then left. She > > said she remembers the flood then later wiped all trace of the town away, > > and they never rebuilt it. I just wondered it it was the same year as the > > flood you talked of... > > Happy Trails, Joan > > Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: > > http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html > > crystalwoman@montana.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > To: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:19 AM > > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > > Joan: > > > > > > I never heard of Vancouver City, OR, and it doesn't show up in the USGS > > > maps. BTW I lived in Portland 1957-1961. > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > > > To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > > > > > > > Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid > > > > 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and > > > they > > > > lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father > > made > > > > her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being > > > > built. > > > > > > > > She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left > > > > there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT > > > >

Oh look i just found something on it at www.google.com = http://www.kaiserpermanente.org/locations/northwest/newsroom/history.html 1942: Thousands of shipyard workers arrive from all across the nation, boosting the Portland/Vancouver-area population and broadening its diversity. Many of them live in Oregon's new Vanport City. President Roosevelt attends launch of the first Liberty ship, built in just 10 days. Health care partnership with Dr. Garfield extended to provide care for shipyard workers and their families. > That was more than likely Vanport. > > Sherri > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > > Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid > > > 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and > > they > > > lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father > made > > > her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being > > > built. > > > > > > She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left > > > there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? > > > > > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT > > > > > Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: > > > http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html > > > crystalwoman@montana.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:39 AM > > > Subject: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > > > > The Vanport Flood washed away Vanport City, the largest public housing > > > > project ever built in the United States, at 4:05 p.m. on May 30, 1948, > > > when > > > > the dike holding back the Columbia River gave way. The city, at one > time > > > > responsible for housing nearly 50,000 people after construction was > > > > completed > > > > in 1943, was underwater by nightfall. Fifteen people died in the > flood. > > > > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/vanport/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I > > > > PO Box 530833 > > > > San Diego CA 92153 > > > > res San Diego CA 92154-3654 > > > > NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net > > > > ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON > > > > Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk > > > > See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk > > > > My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid >> 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and >they >> lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father made >> her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being >> built. >> >> She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left >> there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? >> > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT > There never was a Vancouver City, OR. She is using that name to describe Vanport. This can be explained by the naming of Vanport instead of Vancouver-Portland City. It was Kaiser's son's project, was Oregon's second l;argest city, and it washed away in one Sunday morning. jim

Well it was a shipyard shanty town near Portland in the early mid-40's for sure, built by Kaiser. They built many a ship for the Navy for WW11. Mom said they lived in small houses all together and there was a P.O. and it was called Vancouver City and ALL gone with a flood sometime after she was there. She only stayed and worked there from 16-18 y.o. and then left. She said she remembers the flood then later wiped all trace of the town away, and they never rebuilt it. I just wondered it it was the same year as the flood you talked of... Happy Trails, Joan Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html crystalwoman@montana.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> To: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > Joan: > > I never heard of Vancouver City, OR, and it doesn't show up in the USGS > maps. BTW I lived in Portland 1957-1961. > > Cecil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid > > 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and > they > > lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father made > > her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being > > built. > > > > She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left > > there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? > > > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT >

>The route became the Great Northern and is now part of the UP, and >is the route taken by the Empire Builder (I think that's the name) >between Portland and Chicago. The first train from the east arrived >at Portland on September 8, 1883. I believe the Empire Builder (Jim Hill's nickname) linked Seattle and St Paul, but close enough with the SP&S link between Portland and Seattle. I know the Burlington Northern bought out the NP (terminus at Tacoma, WA) and the Great Northern (terminus at Everett), but I think the UP merger fell through. The Northern Pacific (Jay Cooke, Henry Villard, et al on the government dime) main route goes from Duluth to Billings to Spokane to Yakima to Tacoma then Seattle. It was stalled in Montana by the same Panic of 1873 that stalled the O&C at Roseburg. The construction reached Billings, MT, Sept 1, 1883, and crossed the Rockies on Sept 8th (the date cited above). When the NP reached Pasco, a train was sent down a local line (Rawhide RR from Wallula toWalla Walla) to the ORNC (building the south bank line to meet the UP Oregon Short Line) then to Portland, arriving Sept 11, 1883. The GN main line from Pasco to Tacoma over an Oregon Trail bypass called the Naches Pass Trail was not completed until 1888. The Spokane, Portland, and Seattle RR (north bank of the Columbia railroad) was completed in 1905 and technically never reached Seattle. Trains out of Portland were called the Pioneer, Oregon Pioneer and Portland Rose. To kep things straight in my student's minds I suggest the following. 1) If it ends in Pacific (UP, CP, SP, NP) it was a government subsidized transcontinental. 2) Almost all others were private ventures that connected with the big boys. 3) JJ Hill's The Great Northern was the only privately financed transcontinental. (This can be argued by ATSF fans , but up here in the Great Pacific Northwet the ATSF is not a player.) 4) Henry Villard tried to buy out everybody starting with the NP and the SP. 5) Jim Hill was the uncle and Sam the nephew. Sometimes Sam didn't even know where the Sam Hill he was. His wife was Mary Hill and her dry side palace was Maryhill. 6) The modern UP mergers are complicating everything as well as slowing down traffic. jim

At 06:18 PM 3/14/02 -0800, Doneva Shepard wrote: > When did the trains come to Oregon and people quit using covered wagons? >Doneva Okay, version 2, or 3, My previous answer suggested that the first transcontinental connection to Portland had become a part of the UP RR. UP railroad may have designs on the entire rail network, but they haven't bought Burlington Northern Santa Fe, yet. So, the Old Great Northern route is BNSF and not UP, yet. Stafford

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5A2D30C5441698F4BBD3BF62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------5A2D30C5441698F4BBD3BF62 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3C923930.B5CD2E17@oregonvos.net> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:10:56 -0800 From: Jean Rotter <jrotter@oregonvos.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crystalwoman <crystalwoman@montana.com> Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered References: <000f01c1cc37$982ae4a0$88340844@sd.cox.net> <014401c1cc41$9d287760$61846d42@compaq> <005f01c1cc45$897a7c00$88340844@sd.cox.net> <015c01c1cc49$b55af300$61846d42@compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is the same flood, it was Vanport, not Vancouver City. They didn't live in shanties, but in defense houses which were prefabs. My mother-in-law bought one that survived or was in a different site, broke it down, moved it to the coast and it still stands as a beach cabin 45 years later. Jean Rotter crystalwoman wrote: > Well it was a shipyard shanty town near Portland in the early mid-40's for > sure, built by Kaiser. They built many a ship for the Navy for WW11. > Mom said they lived in small houses all together and there was a P.O. and it > was called Vancouver City and ALL gone with a flood sometime after she was > there. She only stayed and worked there from 16-18 y.o. and then left. She > said she remembers the flood then later wiped all trace of the town away, > and they never rebuilt it. I just wondered it it was the same year as the > flood you talked of... > Happy Trails, Joan > Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: > http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html > crystalwoman@montana.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > To: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > Joan: > > > > I never heard of Vancouver City, OR, and it doesn't show up in the USGS > > maps. BTW I lived in Portland 1957-1961. > > > > Cecil > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "crystalwoman" <crystalwoman@montana.com> > > To: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:51 AM > > Subject: Re: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > > > > Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid > > > 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and > > they > > > lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father > made > > > her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being > > > built. > > > > > > She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left > > > there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? > > > > > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT > > --------------5A2D30C5441698F4BBD3BF62--

> Had you ever heard of Vancouver City, OR? My mother (16 y.o.) early mid > 1940's worked in a ship yard built there by Kaiser with her father and they > lived in project homes while doing that. She hated it but her father made > her go with him. She welded in pipes and small areas on the ships being > built. > > She said the city was flooded away at one time after she had left > there......was that same time as the flood of Vanport City? > > Thanks, Joan in rural MT > Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: > http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html > crystalwoman@montana.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cchouk" <cchouk@cox.net> > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:39 AM > Subject: May 30, 1948 Vanport Flood Remembered > > > > Listers: > > > > The Vanport Flood washed away Vanport City, the largest public housing > > project ever built in the United States, at 4:05 p.m. on May 30, 1948, > when > > the dike holding back the Columbia River gave way. The city, at one time > > responsible for housing nearly 50,000 people after construction was > > completed > > in 1943, was underwater by nightfall. Fifteen people died in the flood. > > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/vanport/ > > > > > > Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I > > PO Box 530833 > > San Diego CA 92153 > > res San Diego CA 92154-3654 > > NEW EMAIL ADDRESS mailto:cchouk@cox.net > > ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MONTGOMERY-RULAFORD-SIMPSON > > Searchable GEDCOM: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~cchouk > > See also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~donhouk > > My Web pages menu: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/ > > >

Pomeroy is in Garfield County. It is also the county seat and the only town in the county. We are almost exactly 30 miles west of Lewiston, ID, and 30 miles north of the Oregon boundary. I see I spelled Alpowai incorrectly and apologize for that. Right now we are in the process of gettting ready for the Lewis and Clark Bi-Centennial celebration that occurs in 2003 so there are all sorts of interesting things in the planning stages. Shirley > At 08:36 PM 3/14/02 -0800, Shirley Johnson wrote: > >Hi Beth and others, > > > >The train came to this little - 1500 population - town of Pomeroy, in > >southeastern Washington in 1886. I know that for sure because the line was > >taken out in 1986, exactly 100 years after the beginning. This line came out > >of Walla Walla but there was also a line that ran up the Snake River to > >Lewiston, ID and I don't know what year that one was built. At one time > >there was a plan to run the Pomeroy line across the Alpowaii summit to > >connect with the Lewiston line but it never happened. > > That is fascinating to know. Somewhere I've seen a map that as I remember > had small little "fingers" of railroads going into several areas of eastern > Washington but don't remember that they were dated. What is the county for > Pomeroy? > > Beth > > [remainder of message snipped] > >