There was this gal we called "mamachick". And boy was this gal real slick. She ran that motel like a pro, Don't know why she wouldn't let me pay though. Two days and nights in Polson; what a delight. I don't think I can get there by tonight. Delleen we love you, you wonderful gal, Here's hugs and kisses from your faithful pal. RIP . 13

Listers: Delleen Starner (aka mamachick), has passed away. I'm trying to get the obit. She will be missed, but I know that she doesn't hurt now. Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I

Dear Trail Fans, In 1854 my Pike family crossed the plains to Yreka, California & wintered there before coming up to Douglas County, Oregon in 1855. Lydia Pike was just 8 years old in 1854. Her family had traveled in 1852 from Iowa to Dallas, Texas. They found that they didn't like Texas, so decided to go to Oregon instead. There was a diary that had been used during the trip to Texas. Lydia took it up in her later years and added her own memories of the journey to Oregon. For some reason she decided to write it in the present rather than in the past, so it sounds somewhat like she was writing at the time of the trip, but she wasn't. She refers to her father as Mr. Pike, or James Pike, and to herself as Lydia Pike. Her grandmother, Sarah (Brown) Troxel was with them too. Margarita - You may want to edit some things out of this. I left in the story about the Indian who was killed. Not sure how old your students are, but you may not think this is appropriate. I'll understand & have taken out some other stories too. Feel free to use any parts you'd like to with your students. At the bottom I've included an outline of Lydia's family. Her sister, Mary, was my gggrandmother. Jackie WRITTEN BY LYDIA PIKE ARNEL OF MARCOLA, LANE COUNTY, OREGON Now, everyone that was going in this train had to have a new wagon made out of bowdock timber, well seasoned. This timber would never break or wear out. It was harder than iron. The members of our train going right from our settlement are: James Pike, his wife, and 2 children (His oldest girl, Lydia, was 9 years old and the baby Melissa Texing Jane Pike was born on the 18th day of March 1853 in Dallas County, Texas.); Mr. Keeting, his wife and 3 children; Mr. Wade, an old man; Mr. Howt, his wife and 2 children; and Mr. Briggs and family. Our train all got together and everything was arranged. They put Mr. Briggs in for the head boss as he said that he had been across the plains before. So they put him in for the captain of the train, and now I tell you, it was not long before he had 'the big head so awful'. Well, we got ready and in May we gave Texas a farewell by. We traveled along on the Big Platt River. Just before we crossed it, there came up an awful thunder storm. An awful hard one! There was thunder and lightening; the worst I had ever seen in my life. The biggest hail fell from the heavens, as big as small eggs. The wind blew so hard it tore some of the wagon sheets off of the wagons. There came one clap of thunder while James Pike was on horseback herding some loose cattle. It knocked him to his knees and made him blind for awhile. There was another train just across the river where a man, a horse, and an ox were killed by the same clap of thunder. This poor man was buried right by the side of the road in a lonely forsaken place with coyotes all around there where he was laid to rest forever. We traveled along and everything seemed to be all right until we got to a river to cross. It had a bridge that was called the Natural Bridge. It was solid rock from bank to bank on each side of this bridge. The water was 20 feet deep and was running over the bridge about 2 feet deep. Some of the train had gotten across and then James Pike's team came up. The young man that James Pike was bringing across the plains with him was driving the team and he drove too near the side of the bridge. The hind wheel went over the side. Some of the men ran in with Mr. Pike. They grabbed the wheel & wagon and held it until it was safe, so it wouldn't turn over. The family was soon jerked out of the wagon, right into the water. Grandma was scared nearly to death! Now, when they were across, then they made a fire and dried their clothes. Then they put on their dry clothes and everything was all right until Mr. Keeting was taken so sick that the train had to lay over for a few days with him. He died and was buried right by the side of the road in a nice beautiful place. But, it was a forsaken place, wild, and lonely. There were plenty of Indians around, so the train brought the family along. ... We came a long distance, our teams were getting tired and had sore feet. We had to get our oxen shod today. This morning Mr. Pike got up early and went to look after the team and he ran across a big fat Indian with his blanket spread over him. He spoke to him, but he never spoke. Mr. Pike took a hold of the blanket and saw that he had been shot the night before by a train that had camped there. When Mr. Pike came back to the train, he told them to hurry up, and get away from there. If any Indians should come while they were there, they would kill every one of us. So we hurried up and got on our way. Tonight we camped with the other train. They said that they did it. The Indian was stealing one of their horses. He had the end of the lariat rope which the horse was staked out with, pulling the horse toward him. He was laying down in a little holler where the buffalo had been rolling and wallowing. The guard saw the Indian stick up his head, so he took aim at him and shot him in the breast, too dead to kick. Today we traveled through buffalo nearly all day. Talk about seeing buffalo! I bet a rattlesnake, we saw over ten thousand million! It was a nice level prairie land and there was no timber or brush close. You could see as far as your eyes could see on both sides of the road and before you. The whole country was right black, all buffalo. They all were coming to meet us. They were all grunting the buffalo grunt. It sounded like thunder away off in the distance. I tell you, they were not one bit afraid of us. They would walk right against our teams and wagons. The men would hit them with their ox whips. Some of the men rode ahead of the train and by the side of the foremost wagon to clear them out of the way of the train. There was fear that they would stampede our oxen and run over us, for they would just as soon run right into the train or wagons as not. They were all going one way, towards the south-east. Mr. Pike killed a fat yearling buffalo calf today. It was an awful nice one. Well, we were awful glad when we got out from being among the buffalo. Now we are at the Big Hot Spring. This is a stream of hot boiling water running out of a bank. The stream is as big around as a quart cup and there is a little lake right below where the water comes out of the bank. It is about 25 feet wide and about 28 feet long. This water was hot and had a heavy smoke over the whole little lake. All of the time the women washed there and cooked beans, rice, and potatoes. They made coffee. They just set the things down in this hot water and let it cook, for the water was boiling all of the time. It was a site to look at and a nice place with plenty of good grass around. We had a nice time there. Well, this morning we rolled out on our long journey that is before us. Our team is getting worn out and sore feet. We will lay by here a day or two and let the teams rest up awhile and then we will roll on. Mr. Pike has just come to camp with a big fat five prong buck. Oh my, how nice and fat, it is so nice. Lydia Pike and Sis Keeting; these two girls were the same age, the same size, and were always together. They walked all the way across the plains, never riding except when they were crossing a stream or a river. Just as they got across, they were going on foot. Sometimes I have known of them being a half a mile ahead of the train. It is the biggest wonder in this world that the Indians had not gotten them. It just happened that no Indians ever saw them or they would have been gone. The train got onto them about this many times. They told them that the Indians would get them and for them to stay close to the train, but they were not afraid. You could not scare them one bit and the next day it was the same thing, over & over, all the time, and every day. One evening after we had camped and supper was over, a little before sundown, Lydia and Sis Keeting were on the edge of a little branch close by a tree. They saw a snake curled up. They went to the camp and told everyone about what an awful snake that they had seen. Mr. Pike took up his gun and killed it. It measured 10 feet long and was 12 inches around it's body. It's head was 6 inches across. It was spotted much the same as a rattle snake with old rusty brown spots and white spots. It had no rattles. It was an awful snake. We came up a long slope of a hill, just as we got in a nice valley, a lovely pretty level place, our teams were going on and seven great big Indians stepped up to our wagons. The first thing they would say was "how, tobacco, how tobacco" and then they would want to smoke. So you had to give them some tobacco and then smoke with them. Then they wanted something to eat. They would take a hold of the wagon sheet and pull it back and look at the people in the wagons. They would get so close to the wagons that the wagons would nearly run on them. It scared Grandma Troxel nearly to death. She was so awful afraid of Indians. You could just look around over the level land, all covered with grass about knee high, you could see Indians popping up their heads all over the valley. They were just as thick as a band of sheep, but they did not harm us any and we traveled on. Now we have gotten to the Well Springs. One is boiling hot water and one is clear and cool as ice. It is as clear as crystal. These springs are 2 feet apart, side by side. They are around as a tube and as big across the top as a big washing tub. They are quite deep, about 4 feet, and there is a quiet stream of water running from these beautiful springs. There is fine grass here, rolling hills, brush, and some timber. Back on the hills, you can see about half a mile down the valley way. We will have to go. We have camped here all night and expect to go on in the morning if nothing happens. Well, this is a beautiful morning and breakfast is over with. Soon we will be ready to move on again. Someone looked down the road and they saw a crowd of people coming on horseback. They said, "Oh look at the Indians coming, they will kill all of us!" Their guns and swords were gleaming in the sun and this scared all of our men in the train. They all ran away from the wagons and took to the hills & brush. They left the women and children to fight the Indians. Mr. Pike, Mr. Briggs, and Mr. Howt were the only men that stayed with their families. They took their stand, their guns in hand, and stood up like soldiers. When the crowd got a little closer, Mr. Pike said, "Oh, it is the soldiers coming!" Now, you may think there were some proud people! We were all so proud when the soldiers rode up. They said we had better stay the night and start the next morning, for we had 2 miles to go through the tulies. These were just as thick as they could stand and were about 10 feet high. You could not see one inch in them. It was damp and wet marshy land. They had cut the tulies and made the wagon road out of them. The road was only wide enough for the wagon to go through the tulies. The soldiers said there was danger in going through this place, so the soldiers went clear through these touleys with us. They stayed all night with us again, then they went back to meet some more wagons and help them through. We traveled, & traveled, & traveled and at last we got through to California, Yreka, where they were digging for gold. There were white men and Chinese men all mixed up together and Indians, too. Now it is close to the last of November and our train is now separated. Some went one place and some went another. Mr. Pike went up on what was called Little Green Horn and wintered there. The snow fell 5 feet that winter. In the spring he moved off Green Horn down into the valley among the miners, and stayed until the middle of the summer. Then he moved to Douglas County, Oregon on Deer Creek four miles above Roseburg. .... Descendants of James Pike 1 James Pike b: 25 Dec 1822 <Adair Co.>, Kentucky d: 25 Nov 1895 Marcola, Lane, OR Burial: 27 Nov 1895 Baxter Cem, Isabel, OR (now Mohawk Cem, Marcola) - +Mary Troxel b: 17 May 1819 Ohio Co., Kentucky m: 11 Jun 1845 Rock Creek, Keokuk, IA d: 07 Dec 1891 Marcola, Lane, OR Burial: Mohawk Cemetery, Marcola, Oregon 2 Lydia Pike b: 17 Apr 1846 Rock Creek, Keokuk, IA d: 28 Dec 1932 Marcola, Lane, OR Burial: Mohawk Cemetery, Marcola, OR -- +Clinton Arnel b: 03 Oct 1838 Missouri m: 29 Nov 1866 Benton Co., OR d: 22 Jul 1927 Marcola, Lane, OR 2 Nicholas Pike b: 19 Feb 1848 Shoal Creek, Appanoose, IA d: 12 Jun 1852 Pettis Co., MO 2 John Pike b: 17 Oct 1849 Shoal Creek, Appanoose, IA d: 08 Jun 1852 Pettis Co., MO 2 Malissa Texing Jane Pike b: 18 May 1853 Dallas, Dallas, TX d: 03 Jun 1938 Salem, Marion, OR Burial: City View Cemetery, Salem, OR -- +Amos Britton Wood b: 08 Nov 1850 Buchanan Co., MO m: 29 Sep 1870 Benton Co., OR d: 10 Aug 1927 Salem, Marion, OR Burial: City View Cemetery, Salem, OR 2 Jonathan Pike b: 13 Sep 1855 Roseburg, Douglas, OR d: 26 Mar 1878 The Dalles, Wasco, OR Burial: Pioneer Cemetery, The Dalles, OR 2 Sintha Ann Pike b: 03 Sep 1857 Roseburg, Douglas, OR d: 08 Mar 1862 Douglas Co., OR 2 Mary Joseph Pike b: 04 Nov 1859 Roseburg, Douglas, OR d: 11 Dec 1946 Salem, Marion, OR Burial: Mohawk Cemetery, Marcola, OR -- +George Washington Savage b: 08 Dec 1853 Blodgett, Benton, OR m: 20 Oct 1876 Umatilla Co., OR d: 15 Jul 1935 Marcola, Lane, OR Burial: Mohawk Cemetery, Marcola, OR

All my relations; (#4) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Margarita - This is a new set of kids I haven't sent you yet... just remembered them! Three kids who traveled the Oregon Trail from Missouri to Oregon in 1850: Thomas Jefferson HOWELL who at 9 years old traveled with his family in 1850; he was born on 9 Oct 1841 in Cooper County, Missouri. Hanna Ann Rebecca HOWELL was 11 years old, she was born on 17 Dec 1839 in Cooper County, Missouri. Sarah Catherine HOWELL (my ancestor), was 17 years old and was born on 7 Feb 1833 in Millerstown, Perry County, Pennsylvania. She later married another Oregon Trail pioneer, Martin GILLIHAN who traveled the Oregon Trail in 1844 and later panned for gold in California! Two other siblings who were adults in 1850 were; John Benjamin HOWELL born in 1830 and Joseph HOWELL born 1828. All of these children had parents Benjamin H HOWELL who was born in 1794, and Elizabeth MATHEWS HOWELL who was born in 1805. There is said to be several other children that died before adulthood. They all arrived in Oregon on 28 Sept 1850 spending the winter near Hillsboro, Oregon and later settling on Sauvie Island in Portland, Oregon, farming and raising livestock. This HOWELL family lived in the famous BYBEE-HOWELL House on Sauvie Island in Portland, Multnomah County, Oregon, build in 1856, site of the oldest house in Multnomah County, not far from where Lewis and Clark set up camp on this then-primitive island. This famous house is now owned and maintained by the Oregon Historical Society and includes a childrens Museum. See Web pages; http://www.odot.state.or.us/eshtm/bybee.htm Rose Terry @>,--'--- OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

All my relations; (#3) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Six kids who traveled the Oregon Trail from Missouri to Oregon in 1851: Cuthbert Stump Jr about 5 years old, was born about 1846 in Missouri. Revinna Stump who was about 7 years old, was born about 1844 in Missouri. Leonard Stump who was about 9 years old, was born about 1842 in Missouri or possibly Virginia. Marvilla Stump who was about 12 years old, was born about 1839 in Missouri. American Ann Cathern Stump (my ancestor), who was 15 years old, was born in 1836 in St. Charles County, Missouri. Adam Stump who was 16 years old, was born in 1835 in Missouri. And an older brother Mortimer Stump who was 20 years old along with their parents Cuthbert STUMP, a farmer who was born on 2 Jan 1809 in Hardy County, Virginia/West Virginia and their mother Perlina YOCUM STUMP who was born in 1807 Hardy/Hampshire Co, VA/WV. They all traveled the Oregon Trail possibly from Lawrence County, Missouri, arriving in Oregon on 20 Sep 1851, settling on a Donation Land Claim. The older brother Mortimer was later murdered in 1858 by his new father-in-law Dan BALCH. Mr. BALCH was convicted of the murder and hanged in 1859 in Portland, Oregon; the first legal hanging there. Rose Terry @>,--'--- OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

Oops, Martha traveled the OREGON TRAIL between 1860-65... (not 1852) Rose Terry wrote: > > All my relations; (#2) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > One kid who traveled the Oregon Trail from Missouri to Oregon in 1852: > > Martha Margaret DENNIS who was called "Peggy" was born on 27 Jun 1849 in > Cedar County, IA. She traveled the Oregon Trail sometime between > 1860-65 possibly with the family of Mr D. and Eliza BALDWIN from Cedar > County, Iowa, who may have been relatives somehow. > > Martha was around 11-16 years old when she travled the Oregon Trail. > Her parents were Isaac and Elizabeth DENNIS. Martha's mother had died > when she was 27 years old in 1854 in Iowa when Martha was just 5 years > old! Her father died in 1886 and had fought in the Civil War. Martha > married when she was just 16 years old to William Henry BILYEU on 27 Jun > 1865 in Linn County, OR after traveling the Trail probably with the > Baldwin family. > > Rose Terry @>,--'--- > OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > oooO Oooo > || || > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > { Current publications available at: } > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess > { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } > { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > ( @ @ ) || > \ / || > ||| || > 0ooo > Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings. -- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

All my relations; (#2) -------------------------------------------------------------------- One kid who traveled the Oregon Trail from Missouri to Oregon in 1852: Martha Margaret DENNIS who was called "Peggy" was born on 27 Jun 1849 in Cedar County, IA. She traveled the Oregon Trail sometime between 1860-65 possibly with the family of Mr D. and Eliza BALDWIN from Cedar County, Iowa, who may have been relatives somehow. Martha was around 11-16 years old when she travled the Oregon Trail. Her parents were Isaac and Elizabeth DENNIS. Martha's mother had died when she was 27 years old in 1854 in Iowa when Martha was just 5 years old! Her father died in 1886 and had fought in the Civil War. Martha married when she was just 16 years old to William Henry BILYEU on 27 Jun 1865 in Linn County, OR after traveling the Trail probably with the Baldwin family. Rose Terry @>,--'--- OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

All my relations; (#1) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Two kids who traveled the Oregon Trail from Missouri to Oregon in 1852: Peter BILYEU, who was 15 years old then. He was born 5 Aug 1837 in Miller County, MO. His younger brother Martin Van Buren BILYEU was 13 years old in 1852. He was born in 1839 in Miller County, MO also. These two kids traveled with their older brothers and sisters (12 chilren total) and parents: William BILYEU who was born in 1795 in KY and mother Dianna COKER BILYEU who was born on 30 Dec 1816 in Overton County, TN. The father William was a farmer and miller, and had fought in the War of 1812 with the Western Tennessee Militia Volunteers in General Jackson's campaign against the Creek Indians. This family of 12 children and many other cousins, aunts & uncles traveled together with their ox tteams and wagons in 1852, leaving Missouri there were 52 family members altogether and they all arrived on Sept 16th, 1852 and settled in the small town of Scio, in Linn County, OR. The trip on the Oregon Trail took over 6 months and most of the family walked! Rose Terry @>,--'--- OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

To all Trail Nuts! From LIST MOM :) Margarita Solazzo (margarita@capellasolazzo.com) a new subsciber has requested some info on your "Children of the OREGON TRAIL". This will just be used for an Elementary school project in California so her school can make connections to kids like themselves who traveled the Oregon Trail. They will be pretending to be specific kids. I think this is a worth while project but it must be complete THIS WEEK! Sorry, not a whole lot of time. BUT, I'd like to keep this subject going for a bit longer for OUR OWN USE ALSO. Everyone agree? Info needed of course would be name, birthdate/place, how old when traveled the Oregon Trail and when traveled, stories, etc. No info is allowed to be used for any other reason other than this Elementary school kids project, My own "Children of the OREGON TRAIL request" responses will follow this email immediatley... I had fun with this! PLEASE be sure to include her email adress ABOVE if you can allow her to use this info for her Elementary school project, Margarita Solazzo understands that. Have fun! Rose Terry @>,--'--- OREGON-TRAIL Mail List MOM -- oooO Oooo || || +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ { Current publications available at: } http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=rosess { http://stores.half.com/rosesss } { Rose Terry @>,--'--- _ RMTerry@prodigy.net } +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~000~~~~~( )~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ ( @ @ ) || \ / || ||| || 0ooo Give your children these two things - One is roots, the other, wings.

Listers: Let me try it without inserting the JPEG itself. A couple of years ago my wife and I had the pleasure of visiting Polson, MT, and Delleen Starner. We thought that her cancer had been put to rest, and one of the things I passed on to Delleen was this: http://members.cox.net/cchouk/xxx/mean2.jpg I hope this doesn't offend you as it helped Delleen through some rough times. Well.... the cancer came back big time. The last word I had was that they were holding a death watch at home, as there was nothing the hospital could do for her. So I'll just say goodbye to the meanest SOB in the valley. Cecil in San Diego

X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:29:43 -0700 From: Marilyn Demas <schoolbell@ulink.net> To: OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3CB39587.7B2AE683@ulink.net> Subject: THOMPSON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, Someone was looking for Thompsons and I can't remember if they were on the OR Trail List or if they were on NorCal looking for Or. Thompsons but... Found under "Marriages" Sacramento Bee, February 11, 1858: At Portland Oregon, by Rev. J.A. Russel, J.C. Hawthorne MD, formerly of Placer Co [Ca.] to Miss Sarah J. Thompson, Portland, O.T. Marilyn Sacramento, Ca. Hi Marilyn, I am looking for Thompsons...OR Trail List, but Norcal might be a good place, too! Thanks for your info on Sarah. I don't recognize her, but may later on! Geraldine Ingersoll

>Sacramento Bee, Feb 13, 1858: > >WOOLEN FACTORY ON THE PACIFIC.--- A new woolen factory has been >erected at Salem O. T., which is 85 by 34 feet, and three stories high. >It will employ some thirty hands and make fifty blankets, or 300 yards >of cassimere, daily. That is real progress. > >P.S. the sp. of the word Woolen, is spelled as such in the article and >not as woollen as it comes up on sp. check. And the art. has the word >cashmere sp. cassimere. >marilyn If you want to tour that mill go to Salem and visit the Mission Mill Museum, about 2-3 blocks from the state capitol building (big tall guy dressed in gold, can be seen from anywhere in town). The Kay Woolen Mill is on the site of the Jason Lee Mission and is an excellent museum of both the mission and the mill. After a change of owners and a new production location to tap the Eastern Oregon wool growing region, the operations of the mill are now called Pendleton Woolen Mills. jim

thank you so much. I was at least one of the ones looking for this thompson....i sure appreciate you remembering that when you saw it.... gloria surname research and locations: 1.LANGE, STONE,BANDY, CONDLEY, VANCLEAVE, HILL, HADLEY, TETZ, , BASEL,UHLMAN/DEU/OR 2.COLLINS,FIEGER,MAGRUDER,LOOMIS, WILLIAMS/WA/OR/CA 3.REDWINE,MOSELEY, WILLIAMS, LONG/TX EACH NUMBER REPRESENTS A SEPERATE LINE ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Sacramento Bee, Feb 13, 1858: WOOLEN FACTORY ON THE PACIFIC.--- A new woolen factory has been erected at Salem O. T., which is 85 by 34 feet, and three stories high. It will employ some thirty hands and make fifty blankets, or 300 yards of cassimere, daily. That is real progress. P.S. the sp. of the word Woolen, is spelled as such in the article and not as woollen as it comes up on sp. check. And the art. has the word cashmere sp. cassimere. marilyn

Hi Folks, Someone was looking for Thompsons and I can't remember if they were on the OR Trail List or if they were on NorCal looking for Or. Thompsons but... Found under "Marriages" Sacramento Bee, February 11, 1858: At Portland Oregon, by Rev. J.A. Russel, J.C. Hawthorne MD, formerly of Placer Co [Ca.] to Miss Sarah J. Thompson, Portland, O.T. Marilyn Sacramento, Ca.

Hello Lists, Following is an e-mail conversation between Barbara McDonald Lewis and Cliff Thompson on the Richardsons of Linn County Oregon. Barbara is a direct descendant of John Griffin and Orpha Thompson Richardson. Cliff and I are descendants of Orpha’s brothers, Enoch (who moved to Linn County several years after Orpha and her family) and Elijah Thompson (who stayed in IL). 3/12/02 11:13 PM Hello Cliff -- Came across your interest in Richardsons of Linn Co., Oregon. I'll give you some of what I have. You may already have it, and more. I can't go into it in depth because it would end up a thesis. Here goes in condensed form: John G Richardson 10/1798-4/4/1873 m. Orpha Thompson 1799-1863. Children: Milton Emperson, Thomas Jefferson, William Winston', George Washington, Lewis Clark, Elijah Thompson, Obediah Waddle ("Wad" was Linn Co. Sheriff from 1864-1866), John Wesley, Andrew Jackson, Enoch Numbers, James Asher, Rebecca Jane. Obediah m. M. Elizabeth Cusick and had children Emma (my ggrandmother), Ida, Edward. Obediah had by No. 2 wife (a Mrs. Stone) Holly. John Wesley m. Mary Ann Conkrite and children were Melvina, Almira, Melissa, Wallace, Wilson and Truman. In 1851 John G. Richardson and Orpha Thompson Richardson came with their family of ten living children from Adams County, Illinois, and in 1852 settled on a Donation Land Claim in a small canyon between Rogers Mountain and Franklin Butte, about six miles southeast of where the town of Scio is now located. Shortly thereafter, son John Wesley took up a neighboring 160 acre Donation Land Claim. In 1879, sons William Winston, James Asher, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington owned land in the adjacent area. It was logical, therefore, that the name "Richardson's Gap" would be applied to the area; so it remains to this day, although there are no longer any Richardsons living there. The Walter Clute Miller family moved right across the road from the Richardson home in 1864. Ultimately two of the Miller sons married daughters of Obediah Waddle Richardson, who were raised by Mary Ann and John W. Richardson. Emma Richardson married Walter Clute Miller's son Henry Clarence Miller and from there my line descends to Cressie Leo Miller m. William Franklin McDonald, Roy Merle McDonald and then I come upon the scene. I have quite a bit more narrative re these people. If you can get hold of a copy of "The Millers of Richardson Gap, Scio, Oregon" published in 1979 by Owen G. Miller, you will be fortunate indeed. It is hard to come by as nobody in the Miller family will let one out of his/her hands. But maybe Powell's Books in Portland has a copy. Anyway, good luck. Barbara McDonald Lewis 3/19/02 9:21 AM Hi Barbara, I got your E-mail and went over it. My John Griffin Richardson was b. 28 Jan. 1797 and d.16 May 1873. Orpha was b. 1802 and a son named Milton Empson was named after a brother of Orpha's. The Waddell name was after the surname of the husband of Orpha's sister Milly (nickname for Orpha's mother Emily). The wife of Obediah was Martha Elizabeth Cisick and I have another wife whose maiden name was Mrs. Tone (could have been Stone???). I did not have any children for that marriage and suppose that Holly was a child of Obediah & Mrs. Tone/Stone? Your G-Grandmother "Emma" had the given name of Emily which presumably came from the name Emily above. I have Emily married to Henry Clarence Miller. I have a daughter of this couple, Cressie Leo Miller, married to William Franklin McDonald on 18 sept. 1907. I have seven children of their marriage...of these, four are married (Roy, Byron, Frank, and Harold). I have the names of the four spouses, but no dates beyond the birth dates of the 7 children. I have Roy Merling McDonald married to Hele Beal. Again, no dates other than Roy's bd. I would appreciate anything that you can contribute in the way of names and dates on your direct line, including siblings. Where I seem to have made a point of mentioning names or dates above, we may differ such as my "Merling" vs your "Merle". If you feel strongly please advise me of the conflict. I live on an island in the Chesapeake Bay near Annapolis, MD and would not be likely to get a book re Richardson's Gap. What I have gotten comes from people on the Internet and/or from my direct line of Thompson's. Orpha Thompson, wife of John G. Richardson, was the daughter of my GGG-Grandfather, William Thompson. Regards, Cliff 3/20/02 9:35 PM Hello Cliff: Let's see if I can help you fill in a gap or two. The name "Cisick" is "Cusick" in the Richardson's Gap book and also on records in the Oregon Historical Society in Portland. They were apparently a quite well known family. Obediah' second wife a Mrs. Stone, brought two sons to the marriage and had a child by Obediah named "Holly". In my immediate family Cressie Leo Miller (daughter of Henry Clarence Miller and Emma Richardson) (b. 7-12-1886 d. 6-18-1961) m. William Franklin McDonald (b. 10-21-1884 d. 10-16-1961) on 9-18-1907. They had sons Roy Merle McDonald (and yes, it is MERLE) (b. 6-27-1908 d. 7-31-1982 ) m.1926 Helen Boutelle Beal (b. 4-2-1909 d. Feb. 1999). One child, Barbara Lee McDonald (b.1-30-1927) m. James Ford Lewis (b.10-14-1914 d.12-28-1998). Their children are James Ford Lewis, Jr. (b. 7-15-46) m. Linda Wheeler; Bronwen Lee Lewis (b.12-20-51) m. Gerald Gaddeberg; Mary Boutelle Lewis (b-10-24-53) m. David Samuel Hassin; and Robert Bradford Lewis (b. 5-26-55). Cressie and Frank had also sons Byron Laird (10-16-11 D.?)m. Verla Ingraham on 2-29-37 and they had many children. Frank Miller (b.12-8-1913 d. 6-16-1939) m. Helen Putnam and there is son. Harold Dean McDonald (b 4-5-1915 d. in 1944 a prisoner of the Japanese after the Bataan Death March) m. Grace Murdersbough 7-7-1936. Henry Keith McDonald( b. 8-24-1917 d.199?) m. Pearl?. Their last son is Clarence McDonald (b.12-12-1923) m. Aileen?. Clarence is still living and is in Redmond, Oregon. He knows much more about these folks than I. There is one son Harold McDonald and a daughter Marsha McDonald. Cressie and Frank had one daughter, Winona May (b. 7-8-1919 d. 9-26-1930 ) who died from complications following surgery. Enough for this time. barbaralewis9262@msn.com. 3/21/02 7:59 PM Hi Barbara, Thank you for the added info. There is one point that I would like to have clarified. When you say that Emma and Ida went to live with John Wesley Richardson when their father, Obediah, re-married...can you pin that date down? If that occurred when Obediah married for the 3rd time, the girls would have been rather old. Was it when Obediah married the 2nd time? Another point that has had me wondering, I do not seem to be able to put a name on the wagon train that brought the Richardson's to Scio, OR in 1851. Do you know of the name or the name of the leader of the wagon train? BTW, if I can supply any info on the Thompson line for you, I would be glad to do that. I have Orpha (Thompson) Richardson's parents and siblings back to North Carolina and South Carolina as well as the grand-parents of Orpha who died in SC. Sincerely, Cliff Thompson 3/22/02 3:28 pm OK Cliff. I'll try to answer your queries. Emma Richardson and her sister Ida married Miller boys who lived across the road from John Wesley Richardson and his family. After their mother died giving birth to Edward about 1869, (Edward died shortly after) the father, Obediah (after a few years) married Mrs. Stone, a widow with two sons and moved to a farm in Wasco County. (That was the time the girls were left behind in Richardson's Gap, or maybe even earlier after their mother died.) Their son Holly was born at the farm in Wasco Co. I have no dates for him. After the second wife's death Obediah was reputed to have married once or twice more -- no issue. He died in 1910. Holly inherited the farm and raised a family. There may have been some contact with the family left behind in Scio. Judging by the fact that we have the picture of Holly, it may well have been so. Getting to Oregon: John Wesley crossed the plains in 1851 with his family driving an ox team. The trip took six months. Obediah had left Illinois for the West ahead of the rest of the family, starting for California when he was 18 years of age in 1849. About 1858 he arrived in Oregon. Was Linn County sheriff from 1864-66. Emma was born in their quarters at the jail. Ida was born 3-9-1867. Then Edward who died as a baby. Their mother died shortly after his birth. By 1879 sons William Winston, James Asher, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington had come out and owned land adjacent to property owned by the earlier arrivals. The area is known as "Richardson's Gap" to this day. I don't know which wagon trains they arrived on. I know the Miller train only. If you write in "Oregon History'' you will probably find the Oregon Historical Society and an e-mail address. Give them the name of your pioneer families and see if they have anything on the wagon train designations. My grandmother, Cressie Leo Miller. Her father was Henry Clarence Miller and mother was Emma Richardson. Henry C. and Emma had a large family: Clarence M. - Cressie Leo - Ivan Herschel - Walter Obediah - John Earl - Idella Mae - Viola Alice - Lela Fay. I knew some of them as a child, but remember for sure Aunt Idella and Lela Fay, as well as my grandmother, Cressie Leo. I may have known others but that was a long time ago and my parents moved to California during the depression, (Oregon was not and never really has been an economic powerhouse) so my Dad could find work. His uncle Clarence M. for a time owned a lumbering enterprise and sawmill and could employ his relatives. But that too went bust. I was born in their house in Marcola, Oregon. I was taken to a few reunions in Scio and have attended three of them as an adult but it is hard to remember all those folks. I was usually in Oregon in the summer either in Redmond where my grandparents Miller /McDonald lived following WW1, on in La Pine on the ranch of my mother's parents. As I mentioned before, my Uncle Clarence McDonald lives in Redmond, Oregon and knows more than I do about the family since he is older than I. Good luck on your search. Barbara McDonald Lewis 3/24/02 1:19 PM Hi Barbara, I have enjoyed chatting with you re the Oregon relatives. I have a 3rd cousin who I have forwarded your info to. She descends from a brother of Orpha (Thompson) Richardson named Enoch Thompson. Her line comes from a daughter of Enoch named Martha Alice Thompson who married Theodore Warner Boone. This cousin would like your permission to put your Emails on the Oregon-L message board and on an Internet Page "Oregon Trails. I will forward your reply. Sincerely, Cliff Thompson cfthomp@Friend.ly.Net BARBARA LEWIS wrote: Yes, and you may send my e-mail address. barbaralewis9262@msn.com

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