Laura....my husband's grandfather was a Methodist "circuit riding preacher" in the Puget Sound Conference of the Methodist episcopal Church (all of Western Washington). Try contacting - General Commission on Archives and History, The United Methodist Church, P.O. Box 127, Madison, New Jersey 07940. Fax 973-408-3909. I no longer have the e-mail address & can't locate the site any more. Your minister was 30 years earlier than my husband's, so they may not have much on him, but is worth a try. Unfortunately, they charge $25 for a search of records. We got a copy of his obit from the 1927 minutes of the Annual conference. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Chushcoff <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: Methodists background Hi I enjoyed the minister's story from Oregon. My gggrandfather John Jackson Galloway was a circuit riding minister (Methodist) coming to the Heppner, Morrow Co. area in he 1860's. He settled in Waitsburg, WA. I am trying to find information on Rev. Lee A. Johnson from Walla Walla. He appears in the newspapers in 1906 from Walla Walla. Ada Fine married L.E. Johnson. Rev Johnson had property in Sunnyside. All have the Episcopal Methodist background. Is there a way to find what seminaries or colleges they might have attended in Oregon or in the 1850-60's in Iowa, Illinois, etc.? Laura GALLOWAY, FUDGE, TURNER, GIBSON, PORTER, TEEL, KIRBY, HALES, FINE, JOHNSON -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Clark [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: An Oregon Pioneer's Story The Family of Rev. Jonathan Snow Tibbetts of Manchester, Dearborn Co., Indiana, Oakland, and Portland, Oregon Rev. Jonathan S. Tibbetts of Manchester township, Dearborn Co., Indiana, and of Oakland, Oregon, (1852) later of Portland, Oregon, was a pioneer Methodist minister, born 17Apr.1804, in Penobscot Co., Maine, some 17 mi. west of Bangor, died 23Jun188, in East Portland, buried in Lone Fir Cemetery. Rev. Tibbetts was the son of Benjamin and Hannah (Snow) Tibbetts. He married Mary Redding of Versailles, Ripley Co., Indiana, in 1830. Rev. Tibbetts, when about 30 years of age, was ordained at Whitewater, Indiana, by Bishop Cavanaugh of Kentucky, as a minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church. He preached for many years in Indiana. The following account of trek to Oregon was given by his daughter Sarah (Tibbetts) Gouldin and is posted here by his descendent Stephen Clark. ³In 1851 he removed with his family from Manchester, Indiana, spending the winter in Oquawka, Illinois, and, in March, 1852, starting from Fort Madison, Iowa, he commenced the long, tedious overland journey to Oregon with his wife and eight children. He commanded the wagon train in which the trip was made across the plains. They traveled in a caravan, with ox-teams, enduring many hardships and being eight months on the way before they reached Portland. Among other traveling companions were the families of John Tucker Scott and Dr. Justin Millard. Crossing the desert, they journeyed by night, owing to the intense heat. They never traveled on the Sabbath Day. On that day Rev. Jonathan Tibbetts held services morning and evening, and preached to hundreds of pilgrims journeying on the same mission as themselves; to make a home in the far west. He made many converts on his way across the continent. Upon reaching the Snake River, where most of the caravans crossed, his party, of 17 wagons and about 25 men, chose a shorter route and, by so doing, encountered the village of the Snake River Indians, who were by no means willing to allow them to continue on their way unmolested. There were about eight hundred Indians, men, women, and children, and they were determined to rob the travelers of their animals, provisions, etc., and did everything they could to make the little party start a fight. Their Chief understood English, and Rev. Tibbetts stood on the wagon-tongue for three hours or more, preaching to the Indians and holding them at bay, the Chief translating to his tribe, telling them that they (the Pioneers) positively refused to have any trouble ... that he was a missionary preacher, and if they gave any trouble, the Government would punish them... that Fort Boise, Idaho, government barracks was only fifty miles away, and was sending out soldiers to meet them ... the courier had passed them the day before with an appeal from the emigrants, to the commander of the Fort, to send soldiers and provisions. The Indians followed them for miles, taunting them and doing everything they could to hinder their journey, until two or three hours before the appearance of the soldiers. Their scouts (the Indians) gave the signal and they disappeared. Rev.Jonathan S. Tibbetts and family spent a part of the year, 1852, in Portland, and then moved to the Umpq ua Valley, settling near Oakland on the Calapooia, the Rev. buying a farm from an Indian. Here he took up his missionary work, he being the only minister in fifty miles, the first in the Umpqua Valley Circuit. He had a large district to cover, the population being so scattered; among them Indians, French, and half-breeds. He often rode horseback twenty miles Sunday morning to preach, returning at night. On these trips he was accompanied by his twelve-year-old daughter, Sarah, who taught Sabbath School and learned the Chinook jargon in order to teach the Indians. After the Indian War of 1855 the country settled very rapidly and a better class of people came to that locality. He is said to have made more converts than anyone in that part of the state. Rev. Jonathan S. Tibbetts was closely associated, in southern Oregon, with such interesting personages as Rev. Robert Booth, I.D. Driver, and Elder Wilbur, with whom he helped to build the first collage (Wilbur Seminary) in that part of the state. He spent the last years of his life in Portland, where he died at the age of eighty-one, having been in the work of the ministry forty-five years, and preaching until within two years of his death. His wife was a great help and inspiration to him in his work. She was a woman of strength and good health and had a great magnetic influence. Her home was open house to the weary traveler and she entertained all who came that way. Rev. Jonathan S. and Mary (Redding) Tibbetts had ten children, all but the last two being born in Manchester township, Dearborn Co., Indiana. i. Elizabeth Jane, b. 16Dec.1832 ii. Mary Eliza, b. 16Feb.1835 iii. Francis Marion, b. 2Nov.1837 iv. Sarah Emily, b. 28Feb.1840 v. Sophia Ellen, b. 16Jun.1842 vi. Albert Thomas, b. 16Dec.1844 vii. Flora Ann, b. 23Oct.1847 viii. Lois V., b. 19Sept.1850 ix. Oregon Andrew, b. 25Dec.1853 x. Jonathan Edward, b. 11Nov.1856

Hi I enjoyed the minister's story from Oregon. My gggrandfather John Jackson Galloway was a circuit riding minister (Methodist) coming to the Heppner, Morrow Co. area in he 1860's. He settled in Waitsburg, WA. I am trying to find information on Rev. Lee A. Johnson from Walla Walla. He appears in the newspapers in 1906 from Walla Walla. Ada Fine married L.E. Johnson. Rev Johnson had property in Sunnyside. All have the Episcopal Methodist background. Is there a way to find what seminaries or colleges they might have attended in Oregon or in the 1850-60's in Iowa, Illinois, etc.? Laura GALLOWAY, FUDGE, TURNER, GIBSON, PORTER, TEEL, KIRBY, HALES, FINE, JOHNSON -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Clark [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: An Oregon Pioneer's Story The Family of Rev. Jonathan Snow Tibbetts of Manchester, Dearborn Co., Indiana, Oakland, and Portland, Oregon Rev. Jonathan S. Tibbetts of Manchester township, Dearborn Co., Indiana, and of Oakland, Oregon, (1852) later of Portland, Oregon, was a pioneer Methodist minister, born 17Apr.1804, in Penobscot Co., Maine, some 17 mi. west of Bangor, died 23Jun188, in East Portland, buried in Lone Fir Cemetery. Rev. Tibbetts was the son of Benjamin and Hannah (Snow) Tibbetts. He married Mary Redding of Versailles, Ripley Co., Indiana, in 1830. Rev. Tibbetts, when about 30 years of age, was ordained at Whitewater, Indiana, by Bishop Cavanaugh of Kentucky, as a minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church. He preached for many years in Indiana. The following account of trek to Oregon was given by his daughter Sarah (Tibbetts) Gouldin and is posted here by his descendent Stephen Clark. ³In 1851 he removed with his family from Manchester, Indiana, spending the winter in Oquawka, Illinois, and, in March, 1852, starting from Fort Madison, Iowa, he commenced the long, tedious overland journey to Oregon with his wife and eight children. He commanded the wagon train in which the trip was made across the plains. They traveled in a caravan, with ox-teams, enduring many hardships and being eight months on the way before they reached Portland. Among other traveling companions were the families of John Tucker Scott and Dr. Justin Millard. Crossing the desert, they journeyed by night, owing to the intense heat. They never traveled on the Sabbath Day. On that day Rev. Jonathan Tibbetts held services morning and evening, and preached to hundreds of pilgrims journeying on the same mission as themselves; to make a home in the far west. He made many converts on his way across the continent. Upon reaching the Snake River, where most of the caravans crossed, his party, of 17 wagons and about 25 men, chose a shorter route and, by so doing, encountered the village of the Snake River Indians, who were by no means willing to allow them to continue on their way unmolested. There were about eight hundred Indians, men, women, and children, and they were determined to rob the travelers of their animals, provisions, etc., and did everything they could to make the little party start a fight. Their Chief understood English, and Rev. Tibbetts stood on the wagon-tongue for three hours or more, preaching to the Indians and holding them at bay, the Chief translating to his tribe, telling them that they (the Pioneers) positively refused to have any trouble ... that he was a missionary preacher, and if they gave any trouble, the Government would punish them... that Fort Boise, Idaho, government barracks was only fifty miles away, and was sending out soldiers to meet them ... the courier had passed them the day before with an appeal from the emigrants, to the commander of the Fort, to send soldiers and provisions. The Indians followed them for miles, taunting them and doing everything they could to hinder their journey, until two or three hours before the appearance of the soldiers. Their scouts (the Indians) gave the signal and they disappeared. Rev.Jonathan S. Tibbetts and family spent a part of the year, 1852, in Portland, and then moved to the Umpq ua Valley, settling near Oakland on the Calapooia, the Rev. buying a farm from an Indian. Here he took up his missionary work, he being the only minister in fifty miles, the first in the Umpqua Valley Circuit. He had a large district to cover, the population being so scattered; among them Indians, French, and half-breeds. He often rode horseback twenty miles Sunday morning to preach, returning at night. On these trips he was accompanied by his twelve-year-old daughter, Sarah, who taught Sabbath School and learned the Chinook jargon in order to teach the Indians. After the Indian War of 1855 the country settled very rapidly and a better class of people came to that locality. He is said to have made more converts than anyone in that part of the state. Rev. Jonathan S. Tibbetts was closely associated, in southern Oregon, with such interesting personages as Rev. Robert Booth, I.D. Driver, and Elder Wilbur, with whom he helped to build the first collage (Wilbur Seminary) in that part of the state. He spent the last years of his life in Portland, where he died at the age of eighty-one, having been in the work of the ministry forty-five years, and preaching until within two years of his death. His wife was a great help and inspiration to him in his work. She was a woman of strength and good health and had a great magnetic influence. Her home was open house to the weary traveler and she entertained all who came that way. Rev. Jonathan S. and Mary (Redding) Tibbetts had ten children, all but the last two being born in Manchester township, Dearborn Co., Indiana. i. Elizabeth Jane, b. 16Dec.1832 ii. Mary Eliza, b. 16Feb.1835 iii. Francis Marion, b. 2Nov.1837 iv. Sarah Emily, b. 28Feb.1840 v. Sophia Ellen, b. 16Jun.1842 vi. Albert Thomas, b. 16Dec.1844 vii. Flora Ann, b. 23Oct.1847 viii. Lois V., b. 19Sept.1850 ix. Oregon Andrew, b. 25Dec.1853 x. Jonathan Edward, b. 11Nov.1856

Silas Hodges was born Lane County, OR 1859, son of Alexander Hodges, and died in Prineville, OR January 1929. He was a rancher and operated a livery stable at Prineville where he settled in 1868 on the Grindstone Ranch. He homesteaded on Sheep Rock on Little Bear Creek, later known as the Manford Nye Ranch. He moved to Prineville 1895. SusannahThompson, daughter of Amos F. Thompson and Elizabeth Nye Hon died 31 January 1908 and is buried Juniper Haven Cemetery, Prineville, as is Silas. The children of her first marriage to -------- Hearing are: --Harvey Hearing who is buried on the Grindstone/Devine Ranch; --Oma Hearing. The children of Silas and Susannah Hodges include: --Orange Franklin Hodges b 7 Feb 1884 Prineville, d 17 October 1921, m1____ ____ and had two children; m2 Elizabeth [Bailey] Jackson and had 3 children; --Iona Fay Hodges b 22 Feb 1886 at the Prineville home of Alexander Hodges, m Samuel Martin Bailey and had issue: Steve 1907, Charley, Millard who died young, Floyd and Vern; --Olive Gertrude b 27 October 1889, d 1969 Bend, OR, m Dr. Randolph Ketchum 1910; --Otto K. Hodges b 27 March 1896 Prineville, d Ap[ril 1948, m ----- ----- San Francisco. Alexander Hodges b ca 1821 Randolph Co IN d 1891, buried Juniper Haven Cemetery, Prineville, OR. He went to MO 1835, to OR 1846, to PolkCo OR 1850 first to Albany. He m1 Abigail Zumwalt in Polk Co OR 1850, dau of Isaac Zumwalt. He m2 Dulcina [Tomlinson] Vanderpool in PolkCo OR 1853. She m1 Kinman Vanderpool 18 March 1849 and they had two children. Dulcina was born ca 1830 KY, d 8 April 1914 buried Dufur, OR. Alexander and Abigail Hodges had two children: --Elizabeth Catherine 1853-1932 m Jasper N. Gulliford 1872 Wasco Co OR; --Charles M. 1852-1873 d Roseburg, OR. Alexander and Dulcina had issue: --Infant who died young --Alexander T. Hodges 1854-d Walla Walla WA unmarried; --Silas 1859-1929, m Susannah [Thompson] Hearing 1882 Crook Co OR, dau of Amos; --Olive H. 1861-d Boise ID m Horace A. Dillard 1883 Crook Co OR; --Mary B. 1863-d Dufur OR m Charles H. Stoughton; --Sherman E. 1867-d Wenatchee, WA, unmarried. Alex Hodges adopted the two Vanderpool children: --Martha E. b MO ca 1850, m Jacob Allan Gulliford 1872 Prineville, OR; --William Medders "Med" b Ray Co MO 4 April 1852, d 19 Feb 1933 Hubbard, OR, m Lizzie Jane Templeton 1874 and had 4 children. References: ODLC #--- Polk County 1864 Oath of Allegiance 1880 Wasco County, Prineville, OR census 1870 Wasco County OR census, E of Deschutes River, The Dalles postoffice 1850 Marion Co OR census for Zumwalt. Amos F. Thompson b 1824 IA, d 1910 and is buried Prineville Pioneer Cemetery. He arrived in OR 1852 and settled in Linn County. His parents were Amos Thompson and Kali Barrum Thompson. He married Elizabeth Nye in LinnCounty. She arrived in Oregon with her father in 1852 and she died 26 June 1901, buried same as Amos. Her father was Jacob Nye. There are some who believe Elizabeth Nye was married 1st before marrying Amos F. Thompson. I cannot confirm or deny. Reportedly HER children include: ---John who m1 Olive Coyle, m2 Ida Klum ---Adam ---George ---Druzilla; -------------------------- Children of Elizabeth and Amos Thompson include: ---Susannah who m1 Ben Hearing, m2 Silas Hodges 1883 Prineville --Jane who m John Coyle, lived Sherman County, OR for a time --Victoria who m Marcus Powell and lived Crook County, OR ---Preston who m Hattie Allen, lived Prineville, is buried in The Dalles ---Riley who m ---- Hinton and lived Grant County, OR ---Franklin who d age 9 in Linn Co OR of typhoid ---and Minta who d age 17 in Prineville. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Jesse Monroe Hodges was born 8/18 December ca 1788- 1791 Marlboro/Melburne District/County, South Carolina to Thomas Hodges. Reportedly he went to TN in 1817, to IN, to MO 1839, to OR Benton County 1847, to Prineville 1870. He married Catherine Stanley in 1811/1812 in NC and d 28 March 1877 Benton Co OR. Buried Gingles Cemetery there. Dates are unconfirmed and a bit sketchy. Catherine STanley was born 12 July 1796 SC/PA and died 6 April 1857 Benton Co OR. Their children included: ---Monroe b Allen Co OH ca 1833, d 1905 Prineville, OR, m Rhoda E. Wilson 13 January 1856/55 Benton Co OR dau of Samuel and Sarah; ---Jane b 1827 IN, d 1905 Benton Co OR, m Eli Wesley Michael; ---Harrison b ca 1832 IN, unmarried and insane in Benton Co OR 1854; ---Elizabeth b ca 1835 OH, maybe m John Frost 1853 Benton Co OR; ---Calloway b ca 1825-1830 IN , m Rebecca E.; ---Drury R./B.? b ca 1825-1826 Randolph Co IN, m Mahala B. Fickle 1847 MO; ---Alexander m Abigail; ---Charles. Drury came to OR 1847. Monroe Hodges and wife Rhoda had: ---Lewis W./M. Hodges b ca 1857 OR; ---Samuel A. Hodges ca 1862 OR, d by 1905; ---Caroline/Carrie b ca 1868 OR, m ------ Wright; ---Eddie b ca 1875 OR, d by 1905; ---Arthur b 1865 Benton Co OR, d after 1905, m Stella Gesner 1900, had children: Stella and Rhoda; ---Sarah b ca 1860 OR m ----- Luckey; --- Marion Hodges. References: Oregon, End of the Trail, WPA 1940 1880 Census Prineville, Wasco CO OR McNeal's History of Wasco County 1854 OR census, Benton Co OR 1870 US Census Benton Co OR, Buena Vista. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ According to Clark and Tiller in The Terrible Trail, Calloway Hodges m 3 November 1851 Elizabeth J. Bilieu, dau of Rev. Leander and Sarah Bilieu. Tentatively, unproven, Calloway's children: Leander M., Mary E., Julia, Jesse, Evander, Hubborn H.C., Handasia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Drury and Mahala Hodges lived on Soap Creek in Benton Co OR and their children include: Susan Catherine, Mary Emeline, Caroline, Robert W., Georgia Ann, Commodore P. and his twin Theodore Eugene, William T., Florence, Andrew J., and Marcus D. Hodges. ---------------------------------------------- Submitted by Sherry Kaseberg, not of these lines, but whose husband is distantly connected to Gulliford-Luckey through Shoup. ----- Original Message ----- From: ken robinson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: HEARING family > How nice to hear from a representative of two mysterious people who > approximate the time period and have marriages to cousins of the same > family. Here we go: > > Susannah Thompson HEARING b. 18 Nov 1853 > m. 1883 Crook Co.., OR Silas Eugene HODGES, an early pioneer > with other relatives in helping establish Prineville, OR > Susannah's parents - Amos THOMPSON and Elizabeth HON > Why is Susannah's surname different from her father's? Was she > previously m. to someone named HEARING? > > Hiram HEARNING? m. Sep 1879 Mary Emeline HODGES b. 5 July 1859 > I do not know where this couple was married, if they had children or > much > of anything at all, but for the fact that Mary died 25 Oct 1924 - > Seattle, King Co., WA Would it be a proper assumption that the > extra "N" in Hiram's name is just a typo, and that it should also be > spelled "HEARING"? > If that's so, what is the relationship bet. hirram & susannah? > > If you could please shed some light here, please do so. If, indeed we are > related, I would enjoy the story even more. The HODGES family came 1847, > and families with which they became associated mostly c ame in '47, '52, and > '53 . Thanks, Ken Robinson (b. Eugene) [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bev Moltzau <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:32 PM > Subject: HEARING family > > > > Samuel Hearing married Susan Helmick in Morgan County, Ohio on 29 Feb > 1828. We have reason to believe that she died and he then married Susannah > Fox. They had 9 children. Samuel and Susannah migrated to Indiana and then > on to Putnam County, MO. In the spring of 1862 the five older children were > married and had families of their own. They, with their parents and the > younger children, joined the wagon train in Independence, MO and started for > Oregon. > > > > After a trip of almost 6 months, the train reached the banks of the Snake > River where, on 22 Sept 1862 Samuel Sr. died. Four days later Susannah > died, and on 26 Sept, their son John died. They all are buried in the Rock > Creek Cemetery near Haines, Oregon. > > > > I would love to hear from Hearing descendants - or??. I do have more to > the story of their trip west. Bev Porter Moltzau - Bend, OR > > > >

I learned about this site on ZDTV today there are over 5000 maps from the 15th to the 19th century. It could be a very good source to see where your ancestors came from. Walt Davies http://www.raremaps.com

Is the list down or is mail just slow?

-----Original Message----- From: Leta D Christiansen <[email protected]> To: Joann Moser <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw:1852 immigrants >Dear Pete, > >I am sure about everyone has written to tell you that DLC means Donation >Land Claim. >They are all on fische at the Family HIstory Center and can be ordered at >SLC if you don't already >have them there. >Leta in Clowdy California > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joann Moser <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:30 PM >Subject: Fw:1852 immigrants > >Thanks to everyone for all the great info. Very helpful. Pete Moser >> I found a list: 1852 Oregon Trail immigrants to Linn Co., OR. I found my >> ancestor's name and >> "DLC#5074 Marion Co.". Does anyone know the meaning of this? Thanks. >> PeteMoser. >> >> >> >> >

How nice to hear from a representative of two mysterious people who approximate the time period and have marriages to cousins of the same family. Here we go: Susannah Thompson HEARING b. 18 Nov 1853 m. 1883 Crook Co.., OR Silas Eugene HODGES, an early pioneer with other relatives in helping establish Prineville, OR Susannah's parents - Amos THOMPSON and Elizabeth HON Why is Susannah's surname different from her father's? Was she previously m. to someone named HEARING? Hiram HEARNING? m. Sep 1879 Mary Emeline HODGES b. 5 July 1859 I do not know where this couple was married, if they had children or much of anything at all, but for the fact that Mary died 25 Oct 1924 - Seattle, King Co., WA Would it be a proper assumption that the extra "N" in Hiram's name is just a typo, and that it should also be spelled "HEARING"? If that's so, what is the relationship bet. hirram & susannah? If you could please shed some light here, please do so. If, indeed we are related, I would enjoy the story even more. The HODGES family came 1847, and families with which they became associated mostly c ame in '47, '52, and '53 . Thanks, Ken Robinson (b. Eugene) [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Bev Moltzau <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: HEARING family > Samuel Hearing married Susan Helmick in Morgan County, Ohio on 29 Feb 1828. We have reason to believe that she died and he then married Susannah Fox. They had 9 children. Samuel and Susannah migrated to Indiana and then on to Putnam County, MO. In the spring of 1862 the five older children were married and had families of their own. They, with their parents and the younger children, joined the wagon train in Independence, MO and started for Oregon. > > After a trip of almost 6 months, the train reached the banks of the Snake River where, on 22 Sept 1862 Samuel Sr. died. Four days later Susannah died, and on 26 Sept, their son John died. They all are buried in the Rock Creek Cemetery near Haines, Oregon. > > I would love to hear from Hearing descendants - or??. I do have more to the story of their trip west. Bev Porter Moltzau - Bend, OR >

Samuel Hearing married Susan Helmick in Morgan County, Ohio on 29 Feb 1828. We have reason to believe that she died and he then married Susannah Fox. They had 9 children. Samuel and Susannah migrated to Indiana and then on to Putnam County, MO. In the spring of 1862 the five older children were married and had families of their own. They, with their parents and the younger children, joined the wagon train in Independence, MO and started for Oregon. After a trip of almost 6 months, the train reached the banks of the Snake River where, on 22 Sept 1862 Samuel Sr. died. Four days later Susannah died, and on 26 Sept, their son John died. They all are buried in the Rock Creek Cemetery near Haines, Oregon. I would love to hear from Hearing descendants - or??. I do have more to the story of their trip west. Bev Porter Moltzau - Bend, OR

AN ENCOUNTER WITH INDIANS Continuing with their search, the viewing party reported, ³... the next stream we found was the Malheur River which takes it¹s rise in the southern part of the Blue Mountains. ... on this stream is the finest grass I ever witnessed either in Oregon or California. The soil places of the finest quality no timber except Willow on this stream. We travailed on this stream 40 miles when we were surprised by Indians and had to abandon the course.² Maps of eastern Oregon, of this time period, show the Malheur River flowing out of the Blues, through Harney and Malheur lakes toward the Snake River. In reality the river they were following was a seasonal stream called Silver Creek and a portion of the Silvies. It was just a few days later, not far from the Silvies and north of the lakes, that the party was attacked by Indians. It was September 15,1852. The report also states ³... before this we had falen onto the Meek rout which was in places easily traced.² This in reference to the Stephen Meek wagon train of 1845. ³... who were on that rout we learn {and} were within 60 Ms of Fort Boise if so we make the distance from the upper Willamette Valley to Fort Boise 380 Miles.² The balance of the report gives only some information gathered from a chance meeting with an Indian on his way from the Columbia to Klamath Lake, and only a single reference regarding the Indian attack on Sept. 15. ³On the 15th of September, at 3PM we were opposed by a company of Indians, 50 or 60 strong, near the Malheur river, (remember it was in reality the Silvies) and about 60 miles west of Fort Boise.² The viewers then left ³...the plain ... aimed to pass through a defile of the mountain into the Malheur Valley, when to our surprise an army {of Indians} which doubtless had been in ambush all day, came on the charge with all the shrieks of the unchained hosts ... When they came within three hundred yards, we formed a line of battle, being conscious that was the order of the enemy, and presented our arms in battle array ...² Macy then reports that when the seven ³presented our arms² the Indians stopped and ³...raised their hands as tokens of peace. Several of the horsemen came forward and shook hands with us, but we thought the friendship rather cold - at the same time their General had the rear advancing towards us; so we started on our way with the intention of keeping the footmen in the rear, knowing that we could manage the horsemen. When they found it vain to detain us in that way, one of the horsemen came up offering to swap a fine American horse for one of our poor ones, but we didn¹t stop to trade; so, when they found there was no opportunity to surrounding us, they discharged a few guns and a host of arrows at us - two balls and one arrow only taking effect on our persons. Three horses were shot with arrows ... four of the seven only unhurt; and as the Indians were running in all directions we knew not what impenetrable difficulties ... were to be surmounted; so we kept our fire, They pursued us five miles, when night overtook us; and being fearful of some snare ahead, we retraced our steps for two miles, then passed out to the northward unmolested. We traveled as much of the night as the loss of blood would allow.²

A great book about the boseman is called "The Bloody Bozeman" I had a copy a while back an its really great reading. Walt Davies

Sorry aimed to add this to the other post. Just forgot what I had to send out and to whom. I have been looking at maps for 5 hrs. and have a site that is a world wide site. Is there anyone that would like to have some early trails maps of the east? Some one asked the other day about this one. Go to bottom of page and click on blue link and will take you to the main page and history of the trail. Bozeman Trail Corridor <A HREF="http://www.bozemantrail.org/mapcor.htm">mapcor.htm</A> http://www.bozemantrail.org/mapcor.htm

If you have seen this trail just use delete key. I am not sure what trails has been supplied on this list. Beej in AZ A Route to the Gold Country and it's history <A HREF="http://www.beckwourth.org/Trail/">The Jim Beckwourth Trail</A> http://www.beckwourth.org/Trail/

Hi! I'm certainly enjoying reading your messages. My interest in the Oregon Trail goes back to its discovery, specifically of South Pass, by Robert Stuart 1812-1813. He was my g-g-g- grandfather, and I'm searching for longlost relatives on that line. Anybody out there? Gini - [email protected]

Do you put all the messages from the list onto the Digest? Glenda Email: [email protected]

To Loralee Do you know which wagon train your ancestors came on? I have a list of some of my ancestors who came on the Metzger wagon train 1852. Also, some stories and interviews with a few of them about their trip. some of them took the Barlow cut-off and were left stranded by their guide. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V00 #27

OVER on the DRY SIDE It was late August, 1852, and from the summit the viewers made a visual survey, ³with our glass.² Below and to the north, at the foot of Diamond Peak, lay a large lake (now known as Crescent Lake). Farther to the north Bachelor Butte, The Three Sisters, and Mt. Jefferson. The sisters had already been named and were known to those in the viewing party. To the south was a mountain that they called Macy¹s Peak. From their description it is believed that this mountain was what we call Mt. Thielsen today. The distance,said the viewers, from the valley to their position was some 60 miles, with the pass low and level. Descending to the east they reached what was known for some time as the West Fork of the Deschutes We now call it Big Marsh Creek. [It was at this place that the wagons of 1853 forded the river] At this point the viewers did some exploring. They crossed Big Marsh Creek several times and rode about 40 miles downstream to the junction with Spring River. Along the way they named a ³long range of hills² the Walker Range. From the junction of the Deschutes they, in Macy¹s words, ³travailed East directly as the Compass informed us ... 25 Miles 10 of which was through Piney glades after which we entered a large Plain off to the East & South with fine grass and Scatering Juniper, about as thick as an Orchard, in this Plain no Water...² From this description it is believed that the party of viewers left the Deschutes somewhere near Lava Butte and headed due east. They found no water for 25 miles when they happened upon ³a small river in the prairie² (present day Bear Creek). They named this ³Surprise River...² A rock found on Stein¹s Ridge, along the east rim of Camp Creek, next to the emigrant trail has a ³T² and the date 1852 scratched into it. Most trail authorities believe that the marks were put there by William Tandy of the viewing expedition, as there is no evidence to indicate the presents of any other white men in the area at this time.

Dear Oregon Trail Friends - I have been trying to post a new portion of my information re: The Elliott Cut Off and the Lost Wagon Train of 1853, each day for the last three or so days. I wanted to let you all know that I will not be posting from 5/8 - 5/14 as I will be traveling to Oregon for more research. I didn't want you to think I'd given up before I got to the "Lost ...Train." I'll try to post one more part tomorrow, but no promises. Thanks for your interest, Stephen

Hi, I am interested in the Elliott Cut Off as guess I need to know what year it first was traveled as my family came in 1852. This would make sense as they ended up in Douglas County and I am not sure the route they traveled. Every little lead helps..Thank you , Lorelee Iles Dendauw, Madras, Oregon

THE SEARCH BEGINS It is said that William Macy and possibly others of the expedition kept a journal. However, Macy¹s was lost to the Harney Lake Indians, and no other records have ever been found. The only record we have of the events that befell this party is to be found in the viewers report which they called ³an abridged narrative ... as our journal was lost ...² John Diamond remembers, ³On the first night we camped near Butte Disappointment² The formal report only gives a casual description of the route from the Forks of the Willamette to the crest of the Cascades. However, the actual wagon tracks of the 1853 train have been followed and are described as follows: ³The first 25 miles were up the north bank of the river from Butte Disappointment.² Where viewers approached the North Fork of the Willamette they were on the north bank of the Middle Fork. The geography here is described as ³a rocky precipitous ŒU¹ shaped ridge terminating at the water¹s edge.² This ridge has since been partially removed to allow the Willamette Highway to pass. At this point the viewers elected to leave the Middle Fork and follow an Indian trail up the North Fork. They forded the river and passed up a narrow gulch that now holds the road from Oakridge to Westfir. The trail then turned right and crossed a rise of land descending into the valley of the Middle Fork then known as Big Prairie. Just beyond the present day town of Oakridge, Salmon Creek flows into the Willamette¹s Middle Fork. The party had a difficult time crossing this creek. They named it ³Macy¹s River.² This name can be found on several older maps of the area. That name, however, did not remain in use. Back now, on the Middle Fork, the path led to Indigo Creek, where the Indian trail they following forked. The Calapooia trail continuing up the Middle Fork for some distance and the Deschutes trail turning east, passing around the end of a gulch and across a creek. These were later named Emigrant Gulch and Emigrant Creek after the ³Lost Train of 1853.² They reached the summit just to the south of a mountain peak and commented in their report ³to the north is a peak .... seen from the uper {sic} Willamette Valley that we call Diamond Peak.²

I hope you people referring to Colfax, WA know the KROLLs, BRANNANs and BLACKWELLs still living in the area. I lived for 20 years in 'the old Kroll place' at the south end of Colfax. A house that is first mentioned as a 4-room dwelling, in 1904 in estate papers. JoAnn