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    1. The Book of Remembrance
    2. Excerpts from: “BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE OF MARION COUNTY OREGON PIONEERS” 1840-1860 by Sarah Hunt Steeves Published in 1927 by the Berncliff Press, Portland, Oregon Page 89: “After their arrival in October of 1846, Henry Smith bought the right to a donation land claim of 640 aces from one William Brown, a relative of Gabriel Brown, Pioneer of 1844. William had built a log cabin and fenced about ten acres, planting it with potatoes. He sold the fine claim to Mr. Smith for the fabulous sum of one old horse and a gun, the only possessions Henry Smith had left, except his family, when he arrived in Marion county. Pages 12 & 13 Allan Davie - 1842 (source: Louisa Miller Small, Newspaper clippings and from old acquaintances) “No man among the early Oregon Pioneers coming in the forties was better known than Allan J. Davie. He was a member of a train piloted across the wilderness of that early date by F. X. Mattieu and the only one coming to Oregon that year. Dr. White was the captain. This company found the first white settlement west of the Cascade mountains at Willamette Falls. The immigration of 1842 consisted of 109 people. Fifty-five of them were over eighteen years of age. There were 16 wagons and much cattle in the caravan. They left Independence, Missouri on May 16, 1842, arrived the same fall at Willamette Falls, October 5, 1842. Stephen H. Meek, an experienced mountaineer, and employed by the Hudson Bay Company, acted as their guide over the mountains, as they neared Oregon country. In the pioneer train, besides small children, were: F. X. Matthieu, Meldron Crawford [ed note: should be “Medorem Crawford”], C. T. Arrendall, James Brown, William Brown, Gabriel Brown, Barnum, Hugh Burns, Geo. W. Bellamy, Mr. Bennett and his son Bailey (killed in route), Nat Crocker, Nathan Coombs, Pat Clark, Alex Copeland, A.W. Coats, Allan Davie, John Deacum, J. Dobbinhess, Samuel Davis, Henry Foster, John Force, James Force, Levi Gertman, a man by the name of Gibbs, L. W. Hastings, Hardin Jones, J. M. Hudspeath, John Hoffstetter, A. L. Lovejoy, Reuben Lewis, S. Pomeroy, J. W. Perry, “Dutch Paul”, J. R. Robb, Owen Summer, T. J. Shadden, Andrew Smith, A. D. Smith, Darling Smith, Adam Stino, Aaron Taioner, Joel Turnham, Elijah White, David Weston, and three Frenchmen, names not known. Henry Foster, Levi Gertman and Allan Davie each married a daughter of Gabriel Brown. Allan Davie had been west before, with the Hudson Bay Company, this being his second overland trip. Mr. Davie was one of the signers of the famous Champoeg document. By some, it has been said that the timely arrival of Mr. Davie and his friend Rueben Lewis, Oregon was saved to the United States, as it was their votes that saved the day, as they were late in arriving. Allan Jones Davie was born February 25, 1816, in Madison county, Alabama. He became acquainted with Cynthia Brown, daughter of Gabriel Brown, on the long journey across the plains, and on March 19, 1844, they were married at Champoeg by the Rev. David Leslie, a Methodist preacher. Cynthia, at the time of her marriage, was known as the “Belle of Oregon”, because she was the only marriageable young woman in the country and not because of her great beauty of face. On the contrary it was said she was very plain. Hers was a beauty of character that improves with the years. Cynthia was the second white woman married in the new country, her sister, who married Henry Foster, being the first. [ed note: Henry Foster married Mary “Polly” Brown] They took up a donation land claim near Sublimity in September, 1849, where they continued to make their home. Mr. Davie was raised in the Presbyterian church and the Bible he carried through his pioneering showed much use. He died on his farm, October 11, 1875. Mrs. Davie [Mary Brown Davie] in after years, became a member of the Christian Church at Aumsville, where she moved a few months prior to her demise, on March 28, 1903. The children born to Allan Davie and his wife Cynthia, were: Sally; who married Louis Miller; James Polk who married Sarah Lutz; Elizabeth, who married Wm. P. Gilbert; William R; Henry C. who married M. O. Hart; Octavia who married Frank Grounds; Martha E. who married William Hogan; and Thomas W.

    08/31/2000 06:40:01
    1. Oregon Journal-1935
    2. Below is a copy of a 1935 newspaper article from The Oregon Journal. Thought this may be of some interest to the list. Katy ----------------------------------> IMPRESSIONS AND OBSERVATIONS OF THE JOURNAL MAN by Fred Lockley Oregon Journal-Sunday Morning May 5. 1935 “I was born at Sublimity on April 1, 1856”, said Mrs. J. M. Rankin when I interviewed her recently in her home on East Belmont Street. “My father’s name was James D. Brown. There were three James D. Brown’s at Sublimity. One was called ‘Black Jim’, another, ‘Bach Jim’, and the third, who was my father, “Sandy Jim”. My father was born in Kentucky. He was the son of Gabriel Brown. They crossed the plains to Oregon in 1842. Dr. Elijah White was captain of their wagon train. There were over 100 persons in the train. My mother’s maiden name was Sarah Jane Evans. She was born in Missouri.” “My grandfather’s grandfather was given what they call a ‘soldiers script’ for his services in the Revolutionary War. He was supposed to take up land in Tennessee with it. I remember my father showing it to me, but I guess the thing ran out, for nothing was ever done with it.” “All the old-timers in the Waldo hills will remember my father, James D. Brown, and my grandfather, Gabriel Brown, for they were early settlers there. My father took a donation land claim not far from his father’s claim. Father’s claim was half a mile from that of my Aunt Cynthia Brown Davie. Aunt Cynthia was my father’s sister. She was born near Little Rock, Arkansas, on January 5th, 1829. Her husband, Allen J. Davie, died in the fall of 1875 and Aunt Cynthia lived until the Spring of 1903. My Aunt Hulda’s place was not far away. All of us children called her ‘Granny’. We all loved her dearly for she was a good soul. They moved to Southern Oregon in 1865 and settled on Rogue River and we never saw them anymore. My father’s sister, Cynthia married Allen J. Davie at Champoeg on March 18, 1844. Uncle Henry Foster was also one of the early settlers in the Waldo Hills.” “Allen J. Davie who married Aunt Cynthia took a claim near Sublimity in the fall of 1849. He was born in Alabama in 1816. My uncle, Allen J. Davie was elected secretary of Sublimity College in 1857. I went to school there during the last two years of the Civil War. Thomas H. Crawford was my teacher.” *** Right here it might be well to give a brief note about Sublimity college. On December 12, 1857, a bill was introduced in the territorial legislature to establish a college at Sublimity. The bill became a law on January 8, 1858. J. Denny, Thomas J. Conner, Eli Hubbard, Drury S. Stayton, Jessie Harritt, William Bishop, Jeremiah Kenoyer, David R. McMillan, James Campbell, Hadley Hobson, Solomon Albrison, George W. Hunt, J. M. Chandler, Morgan Rudolph and Allen J. Davie were appointed trustees. The college was to be operated by the United Brethern Church. Many years ago I interviewed W. H. Hobson, a pioneer merchant of Stayton, whose father, Hadly Hobson, was one of the trustees. Hadley Hobson took a donation land claim a mile north of Slayton. He was born in North Carolina in 1811 and crossed the plains with his brothers George and Alfred in 1847. They went to California and in 1848 came by sailing vessel to Oregon. Allen J. Davie was made the secretary and Milton Wright president of the college. Milton Wright later moved to Dayton, Ohio. He became a bishop of the United Brethern church. His sons, Orville and Wilbur, were the first persons in the world to fly a heavier-than-air machine. Orville was born in 1871 and he and Wilbur made their first flight on December 17, 1903. The tuition fee at Sublimity college was $5 a term of three months, but for any study about the primary grade students had to pay 50 cents per term for each additional study.

    08/31/2000 06:39:00
    1. Re: The Book of Remembrance
    2. Marilyn Schwartz
    3. Jim, Interesting! Thanks for the info. Marilyn S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Tompkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: The Book of Remembrance > >This first wagon train list has a "J.M. Hudspeath" on board. An earlier > >list had him (I presume) as "J.M. Hedspeth." I'm wondering if this might be > >the ancestor of the elusive Rebecca Hedgepath (or Hedgepeth, or Hedgpeth). > > >Look familiar to anyone? > > > >Marilyn S. > >Chelan > > > Yes he does. Although the Book of Remembrances spells it Hudspeath and > Elijah White's 1842 census spells it Hudspath, it is most likely J.M. > Hudspeth. He was one of the many 1842 emigrants who gave up on Oregon when > it refused to create an independent government and headed to California. > They met a group of Californians heading to Oregon and several south bound > men were turned around, but not Hudspeth. He would return east in 1849 to > guide miners to California. The Hudspeth Cut-off is named for him. It > crosses eastern Idaho, avoiding Ft Hall for those temporary bachelors in a > hurry. > > jim tompkins > >

    08/31/2000 06:06:19
    1. Re: The Book of Remembrance
    2. Jim Tompkins
    3. >This first wagon train list has a "J.M. Hudspeath" on board. An earlier >list had him (I presume) as "J.M. Hedspeth." I'm wondering if this might be >the ancestor of the elusive Rebecca Hedgepath (or Hedgepeth, or Hedgpeth). >Look familiar to anyone? > >Marilyn S. >Chelan > Yes he does. Although the Book of Remembrances spells it Hudspeath and Elijah White's 1842 census spells it Hudspath, it is most likely J.M. Hudspeth. He was one of the many 1842 emigrants who gave up on Oregon when it refused to create an independent government and headed to California. They met a group of Californians heading to Oregon and several south bound men were turned around, but not Hudspeth. He would return east in 1849 to guide miners to California. The Hudspeth Cut-off is named for him. It crosses eastern Idaho, avoiding Ft Hall for those temporary bachelors in a hurry. jim tompkins

    08/31/2000 05:14:38
    1. Re: The Book of Remembrance
    2. Rose Harnden
    3. Hello... I just read this from the Book Of Remembrance of Marion CO, and I was wondering if there may be some thing of Alexander Neal and Hugh McNeal, they both homesteaded in Marion Co.. Your help very much apprecitated,,, Thanks Rose [email protected] ************************************************** [email protected] wrote: > Excerpts from: > “BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE OF MARION COUNTY OREGON PIONEERS” > 1840-1860 > by Sarah Hunt Steeves > Published in 1927 by the Berncliff Press, Portland, Oregon > >

    08/31/2000 04:40:57
    1. Re: The Book of Remembrance
    2. Marilyn Schwartz
    3. This first wagon train list has a "J.M. Hudspeath" on board. An earlier list had him (I presume) as "J.M. Hedspeth." I'm wondering if this might be the ancestor of the elusive Rebecca Hedgepath (or Hedgepeth, or Hedgpeth). She is the 2nd wife of my great-grandfather, James P. Marks, probably married in Wasco Co. around 1878. I seem to see a lot of different spellings -- maybe these are a couple more of the same name. Look familiar to anyone? Marilyn S. Chelan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: The Book of Remembrance > Excerpts from: > “BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE OF MARION COUNTY OREGON PIONEERS” > 1840-1860 > by Sarah Hunt Steeves > Published in 1927 by the Berncliff Press, Portland, Oregon > > > Page 89: > “After their arrival in October of 1846, Henry Smith bought the right to > a donation > land claim of 640 aces from one William Brown, a relative of Gabriel Brown, > Pioneer of 1844. William had built a log cabin and fenced about ten acres, > planting it with potatoes. He sold the fine claim to Mr. Smith for the > fabulous sum of one old horse and a gun, the only possessions Henry Smith had > left, except his family, when he arrived in Marion county. > > Pages 12 & 13 > Allan Davie - 1842 > (source: Louisa Miller Small, Newspaper clippings and from old acquaintances) > > “No man among the early Oregon Pioneers coming in the forties was better > known than Allan J. Davie. He was a member of a train piloted across the > wilderness of that early date by F. X. Mattieu and the only one coming to > Oregon that year. Dr. White was the captain. This company found the first > white settlement west of the Cascade mountains at Willamette Falls. > The immigration of 1842 consisted of 109 people. Fifty-five of them were > over > eighteen years of age. There were 16 wagons and much cattle in the caravan. > They left Independence, Missouri on May 16, 1842, arrived the same fall at > Willamette Falls, October 5, 1842. > Stephen H. Meek, an experienced mountaineer, and employed by the Hudson > Bay Company, acted as their guide over the mountains, as they neared Oregon > country. In the pioneer train, besides small children, were: F. X. Matthieu, > Meldron > Crawford [ed note: should be “Medorem Crawford”], C. T. Arrendall, James > Brown, > William Brown, Gabriel Brown, Barnum, Hugh Burns, Geo. W. Bellamy, Mr. Bennett > and his son Bailey (killed in route), Nat Crocker, Nathan Coombs, Pat Clark, > Alex > Copeland, A.W. Coats, Allan Davie, John Deacum, J. Dobbinhess, Samuel Davis, > Henry Foster, John Force, James Force, Levi Gertman, a man by the name of > Gibbs, L. W. Hastings, Hardin Jones, J. M. Hudspeath, John Hoffstetter, A. L. > Lovejoy, Reuben Lewis, S. Pomeroy, J. W. Perry, “Dutch Paul”, J. R. Robb, > Owen Summer, T. J. Shadden, Andrew Smith, A. D. Smith, Darling Smith, Adam > Stino, Aaron Taioner, Joel Turnham, Elijah White, David Weston, and three > Frenchmen, names not known. > Henry Foster, Levi Gertman and Allan Davie each married a daughter of > Gabriel > Brown. Allan Davie had been west before, with the Hudson Bay Company, this > being his second overland trip. > Mr. Davie was one of the signers of the famous Champoeg document. By > some, it has been said that the timely arrival of Mr. Davie and his friend > Rueben Lewis, Oregon was saved to the United States, as it was their votes > that saved the day, as they were late in arriving. > Allan Jones Davie was born February 25, 1816, in Madison county, Alabama. > He > became acquainted with Cynthia Brown, daughter of Gabriel Brown, on the long > journey across the plains, and on March 19, 1844, they were married at > Champoeg by the Rev. David Leslie, a Methodist preacher. Cynthia, at the > time of her marriage, was known as the “Belle of Oregon”, because she was > the only marriageable young woman in the country and not because of her great > beauty of face. On the contrary it was said she was very plain. Hers was a > beauty of character that improves with the years. Cynthia was the second > white woman married in the new country, her sister, who married Henry Foster, > being the first. [ed note: Henry Foster married Mary “Polly” Brown] > They took up a donation land claim near Sublimity in September, 1849, > where they continued to make their home. Mr. Davie was raised in the > Presbyterian church and the Bible he carried through his pioneering showed > much use. He died on his farm, October 11, 1875. Mrs. Davie [Mary Brown > Davie] in after years, became a member of the Christian Church at Aumsville, > where she moved a few months prior to her demise, on March 28, 1903. > The children born to Allan Davie and his wife Cynthia, were: Sally; who > married > Louis Miller; James Polk who married Sarah Lutz; Elizabeth, who married Wm. P. > Gilbert; William R; Henry C. who married M. O. Hart; Octavia who married Frank > Grounds; Martha E. who married William Hogan; and Thomas W. >

    08/31/2000 04:39:28
    1. WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
    2. Blanche Spence
    3. Had to sign off the list for a few months. Why so quiet now? Bes

    08/30/2000 01:31:37
    1. Aunt Charlotte's book ( Indians and Slavory)
    2. We had been at the Mission house but a few weeks when we noticed a small Indian boy, not more than seven or eight years old. He seemed to belong to Ka-u-fa, the chief of the small band camped near us. We noticed too, that the small boy seemed different. he was really a beautiful child and carried himself with a fine dignity, in odd contrast to the tattered old buckskin shirt, belted or rather tied in at the waist with a frayed piece of rope. It was his only garment, but he walked with his shoulders back and his chin held high. Our boys, who sometimes went to the Indian camp told of seeing ugly welts on his bare legs, sometimes the welts were even bleeding.We saw the little fellow pass our house tied on the back of a lean, gray horse. A couple of big baskets were swung across in front of him. These baskets held maybe a bushel, perhaps even more. We would see him pass in the early morning. It was usually dusk when he returned, with his baskets of berries and nuts. They were not always full. At such times the little bare legs would show welts that were fresh and often bloody. Father inquired into it. Jimmy O'Neil could tell him all about it. The child was a slave that was taken during one of the tribal wars out south. He was taken prisoner by the Calipooias in one of their raids. We thought for years that the boy was a Shasta, but later we learned in an odd way, that he was really a Rogue River Indian. The tribe who had taken him sold him to old Ka-u-fa, and Ka-u-fa was a brute. The boy was starved and worked and beaten. Father could not stand it, so he went to Ka-u-fa and offered to buy him. At first Ka-u-fa would sit and listen to him. We offered a gun, some ammunition, a horse and bunches of beads, a gay colored shawl and a buffalo robe richly beaded and worked with porcupine quills. Ka-u-fa was finally satisfied and Father became at last, a slave owner himself. The things he traded to the old Chief we needed very badly ourselves. The boy could not speak or understand the language of his captors and Ka-u-fa called him as you would a dog, by snapping his fingers. The boy was afraid of the white people. I can see his big eyes yet as he looked from us to Ka-u-fa, when Ka-u-fa brought him to our house. The boy could understand nothing of what was being said, he did not seem to sense that he was being sold to the "Pale Faces", his natural enemies as he had been taught from infancy, so when Ka-u-fa turned to go, he tried to follow. Ka-u-fa pushed him backwards, and our boys caught and held him.The little slave's Indian name was Nos-ta, but Mother said: "He was sold by his brethren into bondage, we will call him Joseph." So Joe he was to us from then on. Mother had our boys give him a through scrubbing and had them clip his hair very close, and comb and comb it with a fine toothed comb. He was covered with vermin and his back was crisscrossed with bruises, an evidence of many a brutal beating. The child had no idea what further tortures was in store for him, he showed though that he was ready to submit to it without flinching. Walt Davies Monmouth, OR

    08/30/2000 01:24:59
    1. Re: Barlow (1845) Larkins (1847) Fish (1847)
    2. Jim McMillen
    3. Come, now! By adding "Furthermore, I am not interested in your documentation for this reason" to your post, you bring into question the credibility of the rest of it. Cheers, Jim

    08/27/2000 06:09:12
    1. Barlow (1845) Larkins (1847) Fish (1847)
    2. Marsha you wrote the following comments: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:30:37 -0700 "Who disputes these facts??? fess up????? it is not correct who you assume they came with ...............show yourself....." Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:33:33 -0700 "Jacki .........so wrong Walter Fish and Catherine Leabo came to Oregon on the same wagon train with Isiac Leabo...documentable.. sorry .....we can prove ......:) can [email protected]" Apparently Marsha you have some issue, undiscernable and unintelligible to me. I have merely told you Nancy Roxanna(Fish)Stewart's journal is factually incorrect regarding her stated memory IF one believes she refers to William Barlow, son of Samuel K. Barlow. I do not dispute the statement if she is referring to another William Barlow, unrelated to this family. Specifically, Nancy Roxanna(Fish)Stewart says: Walter Fish came to Oregon in 1847. Further, she says: "In the group as I remember was Rev. Dr. Atkinson and Wife, William Barlow* and wife.... " Reason #1 this statement is incorrect: William Barlow came to Oregon with his family, as a single person, in 1845. Therefore, he was not "in the group". Reason #2 this statement is incorrect: His first wife: Rachel Larkins was unmarried when she came to Oregon with her parents William E. Larkins & Rachel Reed in 1847. I also offered some alternative interpretations, but it appears they are wasted on your knowledge. So, simply put...there was another William Barlow whom Oregonian historians have confused with THE William Barlow, son of Samuel K. Barlow. As for evidence, I have six notebooks-full. I wholeheartedly believe and 'teach' that the study of family history can only be based on a preponderance of evidence. If, for some reason you have documentation of the fact that your Fish AND Leabo family traveled the 1847 migration to oregon WITH William Barlow and wife, then I can only tell you, you will discover it was NOT Samuel K. Barlow's son, William Barlow. Furthermore, I am not interested in your documentation for this reason. Jackie (from state of Washington) =============================================== ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

    08/26/2000 08:25:40
    1. Re: FISH, Walter: -Deeds, incl. Barlow Store
    2. Marsha... You ask in your email dated Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:04:29 -0700: "Could you let me know what is your connection with Walter Fish" My Answer: NONE!! Other than what YOU inform ME that: "Walter Fish purchased the Barlow Store," and your quote of Nancy Roxanna(Fish) Stewart's journal regarding this fact as follows: "In 1866 they sold the place and moved to Oregon City. Father bough[sic] the old Barlow grocery Store later on put in Hardware. It was the largest store in Oregon City he bough6t [sic] his coffee in 100 lbs sacks also the peanuts mother would take the green coffee beans put them in a _____pan put in the oven and brown. them she would take a tablespoos of butter 2 of brown Sugar pore over then browed coffe she would roast it in the oven until it was glazed There it was sold in the Store they rosted the peanuts in the oven she took one day to do the work. In one corner of the store my father operated the first telegraph office that was in Oregon." Further, I informed you that I have a few Clackamas County Grantee/Grantor records in my library files that Walter Fish obtained deeds as follows: May 7, 1855 from A. and B. Holley, Section 28 Twp. 3 Range 1. Feb 12, 1859 from I.F. and R.S. Beals Sec. 28 Twp 3 Range 1 (*)Oct 25, 1860 from A.F. Hedges [Fish received a bond] * Jan 22, 1861 from R.S. & I.F. Beals Section 28 Twp 3, Range 1 Apr. 13, 1864 from G.W. Fish Section 28, Twp. 5, Range 2 Apr. 13 1864 from E.E. Fish, Section 28, Twp 5, Range 2 (* )Mar 13, 1867 from M.A. & William Barlow- Plot L1, Block 1, Oregon City* Obviously, the deed from M.A. & William Barlow, March 13, 1867 for Plot L1, Block 1, Oregon City is the documentation and proof that Walter Fish, Nancy Roxanna(Fish) Stewart's father did purchase property from William Barlow. Although, I do not have a copy of the actual deed, which will give the details of the purchase, it appears it will prove to be the transaction Nancy Roxanna(Fish) Steweart refers to when she says: "Father bough[sic] the old Barlow grocery Store later on put in Hardware. You or anyone else may obtain a copy of this particular record by going to the Oregon City Courthouse and by asking for Deed in BookE Page#580. The other deeds (listed above) have nothing to do with the Barlow family, except, as I noted Absalom Hedges m. Samuel K. Barlow's youngest daughter Elizabeth Jane Barlow. He first settled on one of the four corners of Molalla. Actually, out of the four corners of Molalla, there were three Barlow connections. William Barlow shared a corner and William E. Larkins shared another corner. William Barlow states in his reminiscences that he sold his place [Molalla] soon after 1847 and moved into Oregon City. For your information, William Barlow first married William E. Larkins daughter in 1848. M. A. or Martha Ann was his second wife. Absalom Hedges and William Barlow [after 1847] were busily engaged in and around Oregon City, and they joint ventured in platting out the town of Canemah. Obviously, the fact that A.F. Hedges granted a bond to Walter Fish October 25, 1860 is yet another business transaction with someone allied with the Barlow family. I pointed this fact out because the Barlow-Hedges connection might not otherwise be obvious. The A.F. Hedges-Walter Fish "Bond" document can be found at Oregon City Courthouse, in Deeds Bk 2, Page 414. Finally, Marsha, I also have the Book and Page number references for the other transactions beginning 1855 through 1864. However, since your comments have been unappreciative, irrevelent, argumentative and combative, I'll give you leave to "fish" for yourself, at Oregon City Courthouse, for the other deed transactions. I refer *specifically* to your comment: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:10:57 -0700 "Don't know who is pasting that dribble around but it is quite clear and document as such............is very clear and many diffirent source verifi it want to call out documentation I certainley can provide it for you." /s/ Jackie (from state of Washington) Researching: Barlow-Lee;Larkins-Reed; Mattoon-Morris-Campbell-Jackson Migrations: 1845; 1847; 1849; 1852 ===================================================================== ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

    08/26/2000 05:57:52
    1. Fw: [NOBLE-L] NOBLE and MARKS quest in Oregon
    2. Marilyn Schwartz
    3. I'm forwarding a message I received on the NOBLE surname list. It sounds like something someone on this list just might know about: ----- Original Message ----- Arlene writes: Do you, or does anyone on the list have any > information on the Noble Immigrant Trail that is located in South Central > Oregon, and Northern California? My son is a long haul truck driver and saw > an Inscription when traveling South from Lakeview Oregon. > Arlene

    08/25/2000 06:15:12
    1. Re: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V00 #105 Noble and Marks quest in Oregon
    2. In a message dated 8/24/00 7:01:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Noble and Marks quest in Oregon >> I enjoyed reading your account of the search and visit to your ancestors grave site. Reminds me of some of my own searches and the good feeling that our ancestors are not forgotten. Rommie

    08/25/2000 04:41:07
    1. Wagon Train of 1842
    2. My Oregon Wagon Train ancestors are: Gabriel BROWN, b 1789, d 1870 m Elizabeth ROBINSON b 1795, d 1866 Their children: Adeline, Hulda, Sarah, William Wesley, Mary "Polly", Cynthia, John, and Emaline. I have more informations on this family if anyone is interested. I thought the following and the list of immigrants may be of interest to the list. Gabriel Brown probably read in the newspaper about, or heard a speech by Dr.Elijah White about the wagon train to the Oregon Territory. Dr. White had been separated from the Methodist Mission and had endeavored in the East to obtain official recognition of some kind, so was delivering several speeches in 1841 and 1842. He was describing Oregon audiences chiefly assembled churches, so that the nucleus of the expedition he was organizing had a religious character. Whites activities were widely advertised in the newspapers and enlisted the interest of others. By May, 1842, when Elijah White arrived in Elm Grove, Missouri (near Kansas City), there were more than one hundred prospective settlers waiting for a leader to make the start. Gabriel Brown and his family joined this, the first emigrant wagon train to Oregon. In order to guard against the admission to the expedition of individuals who were likely to become a problem to the other travelers, certain regulations were formulated. As an example, it was required that every male eighteen years of age or older, should possess at least one mule, or wagon conveyance; should have one gun, three pounds of powder, seventeen pounds of lead, one thousand caps, fifty pounds of flour or meal, thirty pounds of bacon, and a suitable proportion of provisions for women and children. In this manner, those who had no property whatever, and were merely rovers were excluded automatically. Even with all the equipment required, it proved to be insufficient in some instances to prevent dependence along the way. Gabriel Brown and his family and the rest of the travelers relied on the hunters among them to replenish their supply of food along the way. This first wagon train, under the leadership of Dr. Elijah White, left Elm Grove, Missouri on May 16, 1842 with eighteen wagons, and a long line of horses, mules and cattle. No member of the party had ever made the trip across the plains. Even White himself, came originally to Oregon on the brig Diana with the first reinforcement of the Methodist Mission in 1837 and he returned East on the Lausanne in 1840. But they received valuable advice from Milton Sublette, the veteran Rocky Mountain fur trader, and they engaged a guide who know the country as far west as Fort Laramie. Stephen H. L. Meek, brother of Joseph L. Meek, joined the caravan in the vicinity of South Fork. The motley character of the company, the spirit of personal independence, which tends to be intolerant of interference and ordinary discipline, soon became evident. Among several annoyances, there was a controversy over dogs owned by the travelers. Dr. White decided that the most diplomatic solution would be that all dogs would be shot. He used the excuse that they were likely to go mad on the hot, dry plains. Thirty dogs were thus shot and killed. There were storms too, which made everyone cold and miserable and harmony among themselves nearly impossible. There were other grievances; some had made bargains which they were unable to carry out; some had omitted to bring teams or had inadequate provisions. It was hard on women to leave feather beds, chairs, dishes and cooking utensils, leaving their greatest conveniences behind to be able to push on with less detriment to the promised land. Notwithstanding these obstacles, the immigrants reached Fort Laramie on June 23, 1842. Here, some of them traded their wagons for provisions, and at Green River, Wyoming other wagons were cut up and a part of the materials were made into pack saddles. They arrived at Fort Hall, Idaho (near Pocatello) in Mid-July of that year. Here, at Fort Hall, there was a division. One faction, led by White, crossed the Snake River, a short distance below Salmon Falls and traveled through Burnt River Canyon and the Grande Ronde Valley, and over the Blue Mountains, traversing the old Hudsons Bay Company trail to Fort Walla Walla. It took them one month to reach Whitmans station. (The other party, led by Lansford W. Hastings, did not cross the Snake River, but remained on the south side). The expedition visited the Whitman mission at Waiilatpu and were cordially received by Dr. Whitman, who supplied them with fresh provisions. They were supplied with flour and vegetables in abundance which to them was a real treat after living so long on buffalo meat. From this point the members traveled in smaller groups. A few passed down the Columbia River in Hudsons Bay Companys boats, some traveled over land to the Dalles, where they took canoes down the river, others traveled by cattle trail over the Cascades on the south side, and the remainder found an Indian trail on the north side in the vicinity of Sandy River. They were never molested by Indians, in fact the Indians furnished many of the immigrants with salmon and game and for small trinkets would render valuable service to the travelers. Mr. Crawford, co-leader of the wagon-train stated: I would give credit, indirectly, to the Methodist Mission for the success of the first occupation by American citizens, of this disputed territory. He gave the following named men who were over 18 years of age, as comprising that immigration: C. T. Arendell, Mr. Barnham, Thomas Boggs, Mr. Bridges, GABRIEL BROWN, JAMES BROWN, WILLIAM WESLEY BROWN, Hugh Burns, C. W. Bellamy, Hugh Burns, Winston Bennett, Vandam Bennet, Mr. Bailey (who was killed), , Nathan Coombs, Patrick Clark, Alexander Copeland, Medorem Crawford, Nathaniel Crocker, A. N. Coates, Allen Davy, John Dearum, John Daubenbiss, Samuel (Levi) Girtman, James Force, Lansford W. Hastings, John Hoffstetter, J. M. Hedspeth, Hardin Jones, Mr. Lancaster, Reuben Lewis, Stephen Meek, F. X. Matthieu, Walter Pomeroy, Dwight Pomeroy, J. H. Andrew Smith, Owen Summers, T. J. Sheldon, Aaron Towner, Joel Turnham, Elijah White and David Weson. The ten men who had families were: GABRIEL BROWN, Mr. Bennett, James Force, Mr. Girtman, Columbia Lancaster (who returned), Walter Pomeroy, J. W. Perry, T. J. Shadden, Own Summers and Andrew Smith. Most of the above information came from: HISTORY OF OREGON-BIOGRAPHICAL , Vol 2 by Charles Henry Carley - pgs 420-423 published by The Pioneer Historical Publishing Company, Chicago-Portland, 1922 and PIONEER DAYS OF OREGON HISTORY, Vol II by E. A. Clarke, Pages 463-463 published by J. N. Gill Co., Portland, Oregon - 1905 I am new to the list, and would enjoy hearing from any of you. Katy

    08/25/2000 04:47:00
    1. BLM Site:
    2. Thank you all who responed to my Qustion on this site. Bless you all. Bonnie [email protected]

    08/24/2000 09:27:03
    1. Land Grants:The BLM site:
    2. George
    3. Ohio is included on the BLM site. Try this URL http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ George >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:09:03 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Land Grants:The BLM site: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Can some one tell me what the URL is for this, Thanks. Bonnie >[email protected] Is Ohio ion the BLM site? >

    08/24/2000 03:02:21
    1. Re: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V00 #106
    2. Bev Moltzau
    3. I recently learned that my HEARING family travelled west, leaving from Independence, MO - in 1862 on the Iowa wagon train..captained by a Micajah Baker. Does anyone have information on this guy - and/or this particular wagon train? My family settled in Oregon.....Best regards, Bev in Bend, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V00 #106

    08/24/2000 02:49:18
    1. Re: OREGON-TRAIL-D Digest V00 #105
    2. What a beautiful story about finding the graves and all that you saw. That is the way I feel when we go hunting for graves. My ancestors came out to Benton CO, in 1847 and 1851 and we have found their graves. Thank you for sharing with us... Jean Mangan [email protected], Spokane, WA.

    08/24/2000 09:41:30
    1. Aunt Charlotte's book (Mr. Rubedeaux
    2. Mr. Rubedeaux's wife was dead and he had a large family of little children. The eldest of the six or seven was only about twelve years old. She was a tattered, barefooted little girl and very freckled. I remember the freckles especially, I thought they were nice. She was a fine little worker , SELF RELIANT, the mainstay of her father. Everyone admired her, even the men of our party were glad to give her a "lift" when she needed it. Mr. Rubedeaux walked beside the oxen, and the wagon bristling with little heads. The little girl, I have forgotten he name, walked and drove the loose cattle. getting started of a morning with loose cattle everywhere was not an easy task for anyone. This small girl with her whip, took her equal and effective part in the general commotion, cracking her whip and talking to her little herd of lean oxen, some cows and a calf or two. I remember her as we passed through the snake river country. There were rocks everywhere, and I noticed that she limped. I was sorry for her. I would have given her my shoes, if she could have worn them. The fact that I was without shoes, myself might possibly have prevented such an act of charity, even though her feet had been larger than mine. I wonder now, why someone did not lend her a horse. Plenty of them were driven loose, or were led tied to the backs of the wagons. Perhaps she had refused one, I do not know about that. I know that she walked most, if not all of the way and drove her herd of cattle. She drove them as though she liked it and was glad to. everyone helped her when she needed it. One day a band of Indians came to us and rode along beside us for a ways. One of them in passing the small girl, grabbed the ox whip from her hands and dashed away with it. That whip was dear to her, she clutched at it and screamed. Her father bounded toward her, but he was to late. The whip was gone. His face was so red and angry. I remember seeing him pick up a rock and heave it with all his might after the laughing, galloping Indian. The rock was as big as my head it could not have carried twenty feet. I do not know what became of Mr. Rubedeaux and his flock of little motherless children. We never saw them again after we separated from them at The Dalles of the Columbia, but when I think of that little girl, I know that in her was the making of a fine, fine woman. Walt Davies Monmnouth, OR

    08/24/2000 07:00:21
    1. Land Grants BLM site
    2. Richard Smith
    3. Bonnie ask: Can some one tell me what the URL is for this, Thanks. Bonnie [email protected] Is Ohio ion the BLM site? http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ and yes Ohio is listed. Richard Smith mailto:[email protected]

    08/24/2000 01:42:59