Hello Linda, I see your message i told you to place on oOregon-Trail list and also that you have gotten some imfo from some of the great helpers on there. Thanks Jim and the others for helping Linda. A great number of helpers here. I was just going to go to the BLM records but i see that someone has. I also have family of Barnetts vcame over Oregon Trail to Wilamette valley to Araago. let me know how you make out. Glad I sent you to the Oregon trail site. Faster than I thought and great too. Maxine Wilton mmwaw@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Tompkins <tompkins@bctonline.com> To: OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Early Pioneers >Hello, > >I did a BLM search on Joseph Austin in Oregon and found the following: > >Joseph Austin was issued a land patent on July 27, 1897 Found Canary and it matches all aspects mentioned so far. It is on the coast 5 miles east of the Pacific Ocean inland from the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area. It is on a creek that feeds the Siuslaw River and very close to Siltcoos Lake. 5.5 miles SE of Florence, 4.5 miles NE of Dunes City, and 3 miles due east of Honeyman State Park. Lat 43 degrees 52 minutes North Long 124 degrees 15 minutes West. It is marginal land well away from Donation claimed land. The 1897 claim of Joseph Austin fits perfectly with Canary. Township 19 South is as far south as Creswell and Range 11 West is as far west as Newport. A section map shows that the land claim appears to be on Canary Road about half way between Canary and Siltcoos. jim

>Hello, > >I did a BLM search on Joseph Austin in Oregon and found the following: > >Joseph Austin was issued a land patent on July 27, 1897 Found Canary and it matches all aspects mentioned so far. It is on the coast 5 miles east of the Pacific Ocean inland from the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area. It is on a creek that feeds the Siuslaw River and very close to Siltcoos Lake. 5.5 miles SE of Florence, 4.5 miles NE of Dunes City, and 3 miles due east of Honeyman State Park. Lat 43 degrees 52 minutes North Long 124 degrees 15 minutes West. It is marginal land well away from Donation claimed land. The 1897 claim of Joseph Austin fits perfectly with Canary. Township 19 South is as far south as Creswell and Range 11 West is as far west as Newport. A section map shows that the land claim appears to be on Canary Road about half way between Canary and Siltcoos. jim

Hello, I did a BLM search on Joseph Austin in Oregon and found the following: Joseph Austin was issued a land patent on July 27, 1897 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/Detail.ASP?index=1&tab=patent&accession =ORRAA++034961 I found the following on www.familysearch.com: Joseph AUSTIN Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Cinthia Eliza JONES Marriage: 10 May 1875 Cowden, Shelby, Illinois I don't know if this is your family. ----- Original Message ----- From: <cuppycake53@webtv.net> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Early Pioneers > Joseph and Cynthia Austin,early pioneers,migrated to Oregon to homestead > land. they traveled by covered wagon,with some of the children being > born along the way. That is all I know except Canary Oregon and > Willamette Valley were mentioned.I have no dates but suspect it was in > the 1880's,just a guess.They most likely left from ILL. > Can anyone help me with this?Linda > > Looking for these > surnames;Hazen-Hulett-Austin-Schultz-Millsaps-Owens- > Redpath/Ridpath-Helvey-Davis-Le faive-Mitchell- Al > Imad-Scott-Kunkel-Mc Elroy and others >

>Thank you Jim.Does anyone know where Canary Oregon is?I think it might >have something to do with the homestead.Thank you,Linda > I'm working on it. I know from one source that it is in Lane County and the name was suggested because the post office and railroads turned down all others. I am searching carefully a detailed atlas of Oregon. jim

Thank you Jim.Does anyone know where Canary Oregon is?I think it might have something to do with the homestead.Thank you,Linda Looking for these surnames;Hazen-Hulett-Austin-Schultz-Millsaps-Owens- Redpath/Ridpath-Helvey-Davis-Le faive-Mitchell- Al Imad-Scott-Kunkel-Mc Elroy and others

>Joseph and Cynthia Austin,early pioneers,migrated to Oregon to homestead >land. they traveled by covered wagon,with some of the children being >born along the way. That is all I know except Canary Oregon and >Willamette Valley were mentioned.I have no dates but suspect it was in >the 1880's,just a guess.They most likely left from ILL. >Can anyone help me with this?Linda Maybe we can narrow it down a little. The 1862 Homestead Act was extended to Oregon in 1868 and expired in 1908. Since most of the prime land was already claimed, homesteaders generally took marginal land or land higher in the foothills of the Cascades or Coast ranges. One of my direct ancestors took a homestead at the headwaters of the Alsea River in 1884. jim

Joseph and Cynthia Austin,early pioneers,migrated to Oregon to homestead land. they traveled by covered wagon,with some of the children being born along the way. That is all I know except Canary Oregon and Willamette Valley were mentioned.I have no dates but suspect it was in the 1880's,just a guess.They most likely left from ILL. Can anyone help me with this?Linda Looking for these surnames;Hazen-Hulett-Austin-Schultz-Millsaps-Owens- Redpath/Ridpath-Helvey-Davis-Le faive-Mitchell- Al Imad-Scott-Kunkel-Mc Elroy and others

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Hi Lester I am laughing out loud! Those numbers (which you can designate on the maps) are latitudes and longitudes.... (listed as D/M/S) Degrees, minutes, seconds, or UTM's (Universal Transverse Mercator grid... forget these for now) But lat/longs are easy. Most places in Oregon are north of 40 degrees latitude (that's the line running through Boulder Colorado, and probably San Francisco, CA) and the longitude west of the 100th meridian E/W.... (that's the beginning of the "great American Desert"), somewhere out in Kansas/Nebraska.... that's the WEST! At any rate, I'm glad that you see the value in these maps, and topozone is just wonderful! I've used it for a long time. What I really like about Topozone is that you can just type in a name of a city, river, area, valley, etc, and it will more or less zero into that area! And they are printable, etc. Take them along on your next trip! Thanks! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Topozone online maps > Elizabeth Lawrence suggested, for maps with > township, section, and range numbers: > > www.topozone.com > > I tried it. YES!!! However! Beware that these > maps have confusing and irrelevant numbers stamped on > them -- irrelevant because I have no idea what they are -- > but you CAN figure it out by scrolling around north and > south and east and west until you bump into markings > for things such as ranges, which you will find eventually > if you scroll enough, and which pop out like pot o' gold > when they come into view. Once you find the range > markings, you can figure out which numbers are the > section numbers versus the other numbers that have been > added only to confuse and annoy. > > Scroll by using the arrow marks on the periphery > of the map, in the middles of the borders. Like on > mapquest. > > Lester

Elizabeth Lawrence suggested, for maps with township, section, and range numbers: www.topozone.com I tried it. YES!!! However! Beware that these maps have confusing and irrelevant numbers stamped on them -- irrelevant because I have no idea what they are -- but you CAN figure it out by scrolling around north and south and east and west until you bump into markings for things such as ranges, which you will find eventually if you scroll enough, and which pop out like pot o' gold when they come into view. Once you find the range markings, you can figure out which numbers are the section numbers versus the other numbers that have been added only to confuse and annoy. Scroll by using the arrow marks on the periphery of the map, in the middles of the borders. Like on mapquest. Lester ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Walt and others, Sorry about the error in transcribing. the SE1/4 instead of the SW1/4. What I was trying to do was point out the full legal and didn't proof read it. I use to teach this subject, but it has apparently been to many years ago. :o) Richard Smith Mailto:slugs@gorge.net Home page: Http://www.Angelfire.com/wa/family Walt Davies wrote: South West Corner of the North East Corner of section 11, sounds okay to me. SENE 11 would be the South East Corner of the North East Corner of section 11.

Hi You can also find quad maps on-line. I use www.topozone.com. Here's the URL for the area mentioned near Elkhorn: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=10&n=4962225&e=551398&s=50&u=2 It's easy to move around, make it larger, etc. Thanks Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mills" <milldean@open.org> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Oregon Survey Maps > Most any quad map that you can buy at REI, or Forest Service or BLM maps > have Township and Ranges. T9S, R3E the SW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Sec 11 is > about 10 miles up the Little North Santiam Road east of Mehama. This is in > the Elkhorn Valley about 4 miles SW of the little town of Elkhorn. The SW > 1/4 of the NE 1/4 looks to be south of the Little North Santiam River and is > bisected by a unnumber primitive road. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mills" <milldean@open.org> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Oregon Survey Maps > Most any quad map that you can buy at REI, or Forest Service or BLM maps > have Township and Ranges. T9S, R3E the SW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Sec 11 is > about 10 miles up the Little North Santiam Road east of Mehama. This is in > the Elkhorn Valley about 4 miles SW of the little town of Elkhorn. The SW > 1/4 of the NE 1/4 looks to be south of the Little North Santiam River and is > bisected by a unnumber primitive road. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Smith" <slugs@gorge.net> > To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:26 AM > Subject: Oregon Survey Maps > > > > Merryanne, > > > > What you wrote was not stated correctly and should probably read: SENE > Sec. > > 11, Twp. 9 South, Range 3 East of the Willamette Meridian. I don't have a > map > > to pin point this for you, but it discribes a specific 40 acres in western > > Oregon, roughly I would guess in Marion Co. This is a Legal description > using > > the Plain Survey that was done in most all of the western united states. > Most > > of Oregon and Washington were surveyed in from the 1850's to 1900 using > this > > method. If you know what county you are dealing with you should be able to > get > > a map from them. > > Richard Smith > > Mailto:slugs@gorge.net > > Home page: Http://www.Angelfire.com/wa/family > > > > > > Merryanne wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a link that I might beable to find specific land > points. > > For example if I needed to look up a land patent, 1 SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E > No > > WILLAMETTE OR MARION --- . Something that will show county and where > the > > sections are within? > > Merryanne > > > > > > >

I am searching for information re the wagon train whose captain was Jones. My great-great grandfather, Samuel Paul FRANTZ, crossed the plains from Missouri with this train, arriving in Benton County, Oregon in 1866. He purchased Fort Hoskins in Benton County, OR upon arrival in Oregon. Thank you for any information you can provide. Marilyn Rohrer dsrtlvrs@infowest.com

South West Corner of the North East Corner of section 11, sounds okay to me. SENE 11 would be the South East Corner of the North East Corner of section 11. > SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E No > WILLAMETTE OR MARION Walt Davies Monmouth, OR davieswalt@cs.com

Most any quad map that you can buy at REI, or Forest Service or BLM maps have Township and Ranges. T9S, R3E the SW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Sec 11 is about 10 miles up the Little North Santiam Road east of Mehama. This is in the Elkhorn Valley about 4 miles SW of the little town of Elkhorn. The SW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 looks to be south of the Little North Santiam River and is bisected by a unnumber primitive road. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Smith" <slugs@gorge.net> To: <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: Oregon Survey Maps > Merryanne, > > What you wrote was not stated correctly and should probably read: SENE Sec. > 11, Twp. 9 South, Range 3 East of the Willamette Meridian. I don't have a map > to pin point this for you, but it discribes a specific 40 acres in western > Oregon, roughly I would guess in Marion Co. This is a Legal description using > the Plain Survey that was done in most all of the western united states. Most > of Oregon and Washington were surveyed in from the 1850's to 1900 using this > method. If you know what county you are dealing with you should be able to get > a map from them. > Richard Smith > Mailto:slugs@gorge.net > Home page: Http://www.Angelfire.com/wa/family > > > Merryanne wrote: > Can anyone suggest a link that I might beable to find specific land points. > For example if I needed to look up a land patent, 1 SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E No > WILLAMETTE OR MARION --- . Something that will show county and where the > sections are within? > Merryanne > >

Merryanne, What you wrote was not stated correctly and should probably read: SENE Sec. 11, Twp. 9 South, Range 3 East of the Willamette Meridian. I don't have a map to pin point this for you, but it discribes a specific 40 acres in western Oregon, roughly I would guess in Marion Co. This is a Legal description using the Plain Survey that was done in most all of the western united states. Most of Oregon and Washington were surveyed in from the 1850's to 1900 using this method. If you know what county you are dealing with you should be able to get a map from them. Richard Smith Mailto:slugs@gorge.net Home page: Http://www.Angelfire.com/wa/family Merryanne wrote: Can anyone suggest a link that I might beable to find specific land points. For example if I needed to look up a land patent, 1 SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E No WILLAMETTE OR MARION --- . Something that will show county and where the sections are within? Merryanne

>Can anyone suggest a link that I might beable to find specific land points. >For example if I needed to look up a land patent, 1 SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E No >WILLAMETTE OR MARION --- . Something that will show county and where the >sections are within? >Merryanne The BLM sells a large map of the entire state of Oregon. Probably other states as well. Look them up in the phonebook - Portland, Eugene, and Vale offices - or on the web. The coordinates you list above are not survey terms, what coordinates are you interested in? We can continue this personally, rather than with the entire list. jim

Can anyone suggest a link that I might beable to find specific land points. For example if I needed to look up a land patent, 1 SWNE 11/ 9-S 3-E No WILLAMETTE OR MARION --- . Something that will show county and where the sections are within? Merryanne

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