Happy New Year to you all Gloria

Am replying to the note below. Why you telling people to not believe thedates in the Bible. Do you have an explanation as to why, and what right do you have to tell people what to believe and what not to believe. That really disturbs me. If the calendars were different then how different and why. If God chose to let them live that long he could have, and they could have. So how long do you believe they lived. Am sending this to everyone because I dont know who else to send it to. My apologies if it shouldnt be on the list, but dont have time for Bible Bashers. Ken Starnes Jim Schira wrote: > > Another aside: Don't believe the dates in the > Bible (old testament), such as people living 900+ > years. Remember, the calendars they used are not the > calendars we use. The Julian calendar wasn't invented > until old Julius invented it, about the time of > Christ. > > --- Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > > In 1752, New Year's Day was changed from March 25th > > to > > January 1st. In that year, Great Britain and its > > American colonies switched > > calendars from Julian to Gregorian, which eliminated > > eleven days from September > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS > > > > I wish you all peace and friendship for the new > > Year. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this > > link to the Oregon-L > > web site > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ===== > With best wishes, > > Jim Schira > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

At 05:10 PM 1/1/2002, chantilly@tdn.com wrote: > In reading the book Abondon Ship, about the ship U.S.S. > Indianapolis, that was sunk > July 31st, 1945 between Guam and the Phillipines, they mention a survivor. >He was from Oregon, the town of Wilderville. Looking in the atlas, it >did not show. >Does anyone know where this town is located, or if it exists today? Wilderville is in Josephine County, just SW of Grants Pass. It isn't very large, but it is still there. Sarajane Storm mailto:sarajstorm@home.com

about 6 miles southwest of Grants Pass, in Josephine County, at the base of the mountains, on edge of Jarome Prairie. David chantilly@tdn.com wrote: > > Greetings and Best wishes for the New Year, > > In reading the book Abondon Ship, about the ship U.S.S. Indianapolis, > that was sunk > July 31st, 1945 between Guam and the Phillipines, they mention a survivor. > He was from Oregon, the town of Wilderville. Looking in the atlas, it did > not show. > Does anyone know where this town is located, or if it exists today? > > Many thanks, > Karla Halsan Mattila > chantilly@tdn.com > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings and Best wishes for the New Year, In reading the book Abondon Ship, about the ship U.S.S. Indianapolis, that was sunk July 31st, 1945 between Guam and the Phillipines, they mention a survivor. He was from Oregon, the town of Wilderville. Looking in the atlas, it did not show. Does anyone know where this town is located, or if it exists today? Many thanks, Karla Halsan Mattila chantilly@tdn.com

Another aside: Don't believe the dates in the Bible (old testament), such as people living 900+ years. Remember, the calendars they used are not the calendars we use. The Julian calendar wasn't invented until old Julius invented it, about the time of Christ. --- Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > In 1752, New Year's Day was changed from March 25th > to > January 1st. In that year, Great Britain and its > American colonies switched > calendars from Julian to Gregorian, which eliminated > eleven days from September > > HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS > > I wish you all peace and friendship for the new > Year. > > Dan > > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this > link to the Oregon-L > web site > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== With best wishes, Jim Schira __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

But keep in mind, that Gregorian calendar was phased in over many years. The big cities converted pretty fast, but not out in the country. ANY VITAL STATISTIC DATE OLDER THAN 1800 SHOULD BE SUSPECT OF USING THE JULIAN CALENDAR, RATHER THAN THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR WE USE TODAY. That's one reason why there are so many date conflicts. Some people are converting the dates, and some are not. And, sometimes we don't even KNOW what calendar was used, in the case of things like dates recorded in the family Bible. --- Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > In 1752, New Year's Day was changed from March 25th > to > January 1st. In that year, Great Britain and its > American colonies switched > calendars from Julian to Gregorian, which eliminated > eleven days from September > > HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS > > I wish you all peace and friendship for the new > Year. > > Dan > > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this > link to the Oregon-L > web site > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== With best wishes, Jim Schira __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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In 1752, New Year's Day was changed from March 25th to January 1st. In that year, Great Britain and its American colonies switched calendars from Julian to Gregorian, which eliminated eleven days from September HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS I wish you all peace and friendship for the new Year. Dan

If you are interested in learning when a death notice or obituary appears in one of the Columbia Gorge newspapers go to the website: http://www.gorgenews.com Click on Death Notices in the upper right column and it shows a monthly listing of names provided by funeral homes chronologically. It lists the Funeral Home submitting the notice. There is a link for notices from October 1999 to November 2001. Notices prior to October 1999 are stored on microfilm at The Dalles-Wasco County Library. I hope this information will help someone. Obituaries are not always submitted by family of the deceased.

I live in New Hampshire. I just subscribed. Thanks. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan M <wb@wvi.com> To: Roger Anderson <randerson2@mediaone.net>; <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Myers Family/Portland-Eugene > What State do you live in Roger ? > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Anderson" <randerson2@mediaone.net> > To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:09 AM > Subject: {not a subscriber} Myers Family/Portland-Eugene > > > > I have been stumped by an Oregon problem of mine for a couple of years > now. I > > am researching the family of Gustav B. Myers and his wife Judy Konstance > > Newman. They lived in Portland in the 1920 Census but later moved to > > California where they both died. I am trying to find their living > > descendants. > > > > They had (1) a Geneva Serena Myers, born Portland, ca. 1918. May have > gone by > > "Jean" in later life. > > > > They had (2) a Bert Gerald Myers born Eugene 01 August 1923; died Fresno, > CA > > 21 Oct 1994. > > > > They had (3) a Marian Jullene Myers, born ????? > > > > I do not know what happened to the two girls in this family because I > don't > > know there married name. Is there any way I can find their birthdates? > These > > two girls may still be living. > > > > I have found Bert's death certificate in California, but can't find an > obit > > for him that would list his sisters. Bert was married, had at least one > > daughter, but was divorced. If I can find a marriage certificate for Bert > and > > his "unknown" wife, then maybe I could find her and contact her regarding > the > > family. I believe Bert was married in Oregon. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Roger Anderson > > randerson2@mediaone.net > > > > >

Surnames: Whitaker, Huff, Jenson, Norman, Ellis Herbert 'Herb' Allen Whitaker, 74, a resident of The Dalles, died at his home on Saturday, December 22, 2001. He was born January 6, 1927, in Los Angeles (California), the only child of Richard Mason and Evelyn Elizabeth (Huff) Whitaker. He grew up in Los Angeles and graduated from high school in Van Nuys (California) in 1945. He married Norma Jean Jenson, a graduate of The Dalles High School, Class of 1947. He lived in Portland, Vancouver, Washington and California, retired in Portland in the early 1990's before moving to The Dalles in December of 2000. He worked as a concrete pump operator in construction and enjoyed race cars, sprint cars and airplanes. He is survived by his children and their spouses, Robert M. and Julie Whitaker, The Dalles; J.R. and Shanda Whitaker, Beaverton (Oregon) and Tracy Norman, Las Vegas, Nevada; four grandchildren, Scott and Cory Ellis, Los Angeles; Casey Norman, Granada Hills, California and Madison Whitaker, The Dalles. At his request no public services will be held. Private cremation was held at The Dalles Win-quatt Crematory with Spencer, Libby & Powell Funeral Home in care of arrangements. Memorials may be made to the American Diabetes Association, 380 SE Spokane Street, #110, Portland, Oregon 97202. The Dalles Chronicle December 28, 2001 Written permission to reprint obituary given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser

What State do you live in Roger ? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Anderson" <randerson2@mediaone.net> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Myers Family/Portland-Eugene > I have been stumped by an Oregon problem of mine for a couple of years now. I > am researching the family of Gustav B. Myers and his wife Judy Konstance > Newman. They lived in Portland in the 1920 Census but later moved to > California where they both died. I am trying to find their living > descendants. > > They had (1) a Geneva Serena Myers, born Portland, ca. 1918. May have gone by > "Jean" in later life. > > They had (2) a Bert Gerald Myers born Eugene 01 August 1923; died Fresno, CA > 21 Oct 1994. > > They had (3) a Marian Jullene Myers, born ????? > > I do not know what happened to the two girls in this family because I don't > know there married name. Is there any way I can find their birthdates? These > two girls may still be living. > > I have found Bert's death certificate in California, but can't find an obit > for him that would list his sisters. Bert was married, had at least one > daughter, but was divorced. If I can find a marriage certificate for Bert and > his "unknown" wife, then maybe I could find her and contact her regarding the > family. I believe Bert was married in Oregon. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Roger Anderson > randerson2@mediaone.net > >

CROSS, Charles S., 94, a resident of Oregon City (Oregon), died Sunday, December 15, 2001 at the local Oregon Veterans' Home (The Dalles). (Columbia Cremation & Burial). The Dalles Chronicle December 17, 2001 HARVEY, Davis A. IV, 72, a resident of Wamic (Oregon), died at his home on Thursday, December 20, 2001. (Columbia Cremation & Burial). The Dalles Chronicle December 21, 2001 HOCHFELD, Till M., 84, a resident of Condon (Oregon), died at a local care facility, Saturday, December 22, 2001. (Spencer, Libby & Powell). WHITAKER, Herbert A., 74, a resident of The Dalles, died at his home, Saturday, December 22, 2001. (Spencer, Libby & Powell). The Dalles Chronicle December 24, 2001 Written permission to reprint Death Notices given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser Wasco County Obituaries submitted to ORWASCO-L@rootsweb.com To subscribe e-mail ORWASCO-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Type in Subscribe in the message box

Surnames: Enes, Arntson, Aas, Ouellette, Sprouse, Andreasen, Killett, Havig, Carlson Mabel Leona Enes, 89, a resident of Milwaukie (Oregon) and formerly of The Dalles, died at care center in Milwaukie on Monday, December 24, 2001. She was born June 28, 1912, in Jackson, Minnesota, the youngest of three children to Ole Karenius and Grace Marie (Arntson) Aas. She grew up and graduated from high school in Pequot Lakes, Minnesota. On March 22, 1936, she married Ernest Melvin Enes in Pequot Lakes. They moved to The Dalles in 1940, then moved to Milwaukie in 1960. She was a homemaker, member of St. Mark's Lutheran Church and enjoyed reading, hand sewing, knitting, crocheting and her family especially the grand and great-grandchildren. She is survived by her son, Maynard Ernest Enes and his wife, Ann, Kelso, Washington; her daughter, Karen Ouellette and her husband, Dirk, Milwaukie; seven grandchildren, Christina Sprouse, Alicia and Brynan Enes, Shannon Andreasen, Melissa Ouellette and Jess and Jennifer Killett; three great-grandchildren, Tyler Joseph Enes, Kaelyn Grace Carlson and Tatum Christina Louise Sprouse. She was preceded in death by her husband, Ernest, on November 27, 1985, two brothers, Orville and Lester Aas and sister, Gladys Havig. Viewing visitation will be held from 2 to 7 p.m. on Friday, December 28, at Spencer, Libby & Powell Funeral Home. Services will be held at Zion Lutheran Church, 10th & Union streets, at 10:30 a.m. on Saturday, December 29, with Pastor Dorthy Nielsen officiating. Interment will follow at The Dalles Odd Fellows Cemetery. The Dalles Chronicle December 27, 2001 Written permission to reprint obituary given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser

You can read them all on Micro at the Archives, they just wont let you see the certificate . Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Schira" <schirafam@yahoo.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Ken & Ruth Kuenzi > I'm afraid you're out of luck. Death indexes > only go to 1970. Anything more recent is considered > somewhat personal and confidential information, for > immediate family members only. > > Jim Schira > Portland, Oregon > >

I have a FTM death index .1996. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Re: Oregon Death Index > Ancestry.com has up to 1998. Up to 1970 - they were on microfilms > with some parts of pages blotted out by spilled light due to > microfilm operator error. 1971 to present are on microfiche. > > David Samuelsen > > Jim Schira wrote: > > > > --- Anne Billeter <billeter@entwood.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, but that's not true: > > > > > > At 03:57 PM 12/22/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > > I'm afraid you're out of luck. Death indexes > > > >only go to 1970. Anything more recent is > > > considered > > > >somewhat personal and confidential information, for > > > >immediate family members only. > > > > Many thanks for the information. Obviously my > > sources need rechecking. > > > > ===== > > With best wishes, > > > > Jim Schira

http://www.rootsweb.com/~orbaker/database/baker/index.htm nearly 2,000 individuals added since last update. (over 9,100) covers Baker, Grant, Harney, Malheur and Union counties. Now includes photos!! Submissions are accepted and photos are accepted if they are scanned in at 100 dpi. Merry Christmas! W. David Samuelsen

Ancestry.com has up to 1998. Up to 1970 - they were on microfilms with some parts of pages blotted out by spilled light due to microfilm operator error. 1971 to present are on microfiche. David Samuelsen Jim Schira wrote: > > --- Anne Billeter <billeter@entwood.com> wrote: > > Sorry, but that's not true: > > > > At 03:57 PM 12/22/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > I'm afraid you're out of luck. Death indexes > > >only go to 1970. Anything more recent is > > considered > > >somewhat personal and confidential information, for > > >immediate family members only. > > Many thanks for the information. Obviously my > sources need rechecking. > > ===== > With best wishes, > > Jim Schira > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jim, I have Oregon Death Index through 1993 from the Oregon Dept. Of Health. 1907 thru 1970 on microfilm and the rest on microfiche. I just have not updated any further at this time. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Schira" <schirafam@yahoo.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Re: Oregon Death Index > > --- Anne Billeter <billeter@entwood.com> wrote: > > Sorry, but that's not true: > > > > At 03:57 PM 12/22/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > I'm afraid you're out of luck. Death indexes > > >only go to 1970. Anything more recent is > > considered > > >somewhat personal and confidential information, for > > >immediate family members only. > > Many thanks for the information. Obviously my > sources need rechecking. > > ===== > With best wishes, > > Jim Schira > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >