No joke - just what on earth make's mailing a piece of paper out of the state that much more expensive. The Post Office still only charges 34 cents. And the cost of copy paper is lest than a penny. Ink cartriges last thousands of copies and are only about 40 bucks each. Boy I need a job at this Oregon office. Labor for supplying out of state copies is a real good deal, if you are a crook. You can rip them "out of stater's" off and they are too far away to do anything about it. Hummmmmmmmm. Jo >From: Chris Havnar <jchavnar@sbcglobal.net> >Reply-To: OREGON-L@rootsweb.com >To: OREGON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:38:02 -0700 > >I have written Layne for clarification on costs - but based on the time I >wrote to her (Friday afternoon) I don't expect a reply until sometime >Monday at the earliest - when I get the clarification - I will share. > >This lack of clarity 75 cents versus 10 dollars and the possibility that a >death certificate could go to $10 - is why out of state researchers are >gasping. > >Having said that, please excuse my absence for the balance of the weekend, >while I go through my files and make my list of all the Oregon death >certificates I've been meaning to get someday, and start requesting them. > >Best of luck to all in your searches, >Chris > >At 11:02 AM 5/18/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >I must have overlooked this particular item. That amounts to a hike > >of 4000% from 25 cents for a death certificate for out of state > > > >David > > > >Chris Havnar wrote: > >> > >> Sorry I erred - figure I should have used was $10 and that figure comes > >> from this paragraph .... > >> > >> 2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes > >> copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page >documents. A > >> Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., >a > >> citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in >the > >> custody of the Archives Division. > >> > >> That is the paragraph that has me spinning as an out of state >researcher. > >> > >> Chris > >> ~~~~~~~ > >> > >> David, > >> > >> I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've > >> already written for clarification. > >> > >> If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus > >> postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find >that > >> in the budget. > >> > >> BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave >me > >> pause. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >> >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. > >> > > >> >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme > >> >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards > >> >for a copy. > >> > > >> > > >> >W. David Samuelsen > > >==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST >To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L >web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html >Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

I don't think any one is being a crook. I do think they were being low cost in the past. I do know how much work they do to get us boxes to look into and do look ups for people who cant get there. , also the archives is not that big and there are not very many people there and it is time consuming on them to do hours of look ups , they get wages like every one else with no means of profits ,I think cost could be a little high, or the out of state research might be questioned, but this will help cover costs they cant meet , but to be called crooks it way out in left field. I have got many of these for people and I paid the 25 cents and I paid the postage and I never ask on cent , its about 25 miles round trip and once I told some one it would cost 25 dollars for 5 lookups because they wanted me to make a special trip, I am my wife's caregiver and at times I cant get away unless I pay some one to stay with her 25 dollars, I was called a crook and they refused to write to me any more, in general I look to helping people because I get help from others at times and we just return favors to different people and the circle goes on. As a mechanic would I install a 34 cent part in a machine if the labor took 1 hour as least and only charge 34 cents ? We need to take one step back and look at this whole picture and consider these people and how the archives are funded - Ps I am one who parks in free spots on the block and walks just a little rather than fill a parking meter , so I am no different than other people who like to save a buck, and I think parking meters should be cheaper <G> But crooks? Nah! Dan l;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: <joneils@msn.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees > > No joke - just what on earth make's mailing a piece of paper out of the > state that much more expensive. The Post Office still only charges 34 > cents. And the cost of copy paper is lest than a penny. Ink cartriges last > thousands of copies and are only about 40 bucks each. Boy I need a job at > this Oregon office. Labor for supplying out of state copies is a real good > deal, if you are a crook. You can rip them "out of stater's" off and they > are too far away to do anything about it. Hummmmmmmmm. > > Jo >

Be thankful you can get those records at all ,be fore email , you would have had to pay a lot more than that to have a pro geno. get em for you ----- Original Message ----- From: <GNINNAH@aol.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Why "Out of State" fees higher ? > In a message dated 5/18/02 7:12:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > OREGON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << Did you stop to think where taxes are going to support budgets? In-state > taxes are used. None of taxes from out of state. Same thing when you get > hunting or fishing licenses, out of state are higher than residents' in > just about every state. > David >> > > I can understand the higher fees for out-of-state hunting and fishing > licenses... I believe this is due to the effect of reduction of Oregon > natural resources by a non-Oregon resident.... but having higher fees for a > non-resident genealogist??, I cannot see their reasoning... I would not be > depleting any Oregon resources by requesting an Obit :-) LOL > > I have No quarrel with increasing fees to cover rising costs. I understand > this might be necessary to keep the archives available for future use... > However, what I Do have a problem with is the inequitable charges assessed > between "Residents" and the non-resident requesters. > > Sure, if there are additional fees for long distance telephone calls or more > postage needed, by all means pass those along to that particular requester... > but last time I checked, it cost the same to mail a letter inside Oregon as > it did to send it from Oregon to Vancouver, Washington :-) > > And remember, many of those ancestors in those archives paid Oregon taxes. > And those of us who pay Oregon taxes through payroll, but live in other > states, should be considered. Last I heard, Oregon did not break out > personal income taxes between residents and non-residents when accepting > monies for their budgets. > > I believe a fee to cover a certain type of lookup should be the same for both > residents and non-residents. > > > >>> SAY>>> > > Does Oregon have microfilmed birth certificates and a birth index like > Washington State does?? If so, do you know where they can that be viewed? > > > I regularly search the WA birth index and certificates at the local LDS... > one day I made a trip to a Portland LDS, and was surprised that they did not > have the indexes or certificates in their films.... Do they exist for > Oregon just like Washington? > > Thanks! > Pat > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

per her request. Very urgent. - David From: "Juliana Smith" Date: 18 May 2002 10:10:26 -0600 I am currently attending the NGS Conference in Milwaukee and we have received word that California is moving forward quickly in its move to close access to the index of birth and death records and will be meeting Monday morning at 9:30 am for a hearing on the bill. I am copying a message below with details of the legislation and contact information for California legislators form the Appropriation Committee. Please let our voices be heard on this issue. If closed, it will set a precedent and it is likely that other states will follow suit. It is particularly important that California voters voice their opinions. Please pass this important message on to other lists as well. With best wishes, Juliana Smith Editor, Ancestry Daily News editor@ancestry-inc.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LEG MAY 17, 2002 REPORT Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:13:55 -0700 From: Iris Jones <ijones@accessbee.com> MAY 17, 2002 - SENATE BILL 1614 UPDATE While I subscribe the SB1614, since my last report on May 15, 2002, I have checked the activity daily. As of late last night there was no change. This morning I find that the bill has been scheduled to be heard before the Appropriations Committee at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, May 20, 2002. There are also new amendments. The bill requires the comprehensive index of birth and death record indexes be kept confidential. It will be available to some government agencies, but the information is require to maintain confidentiality. The copies of Indexes sold prior to 31 December to 3rd parties will require that the information remain confidential under penalty of law. It requires the State Registrar to establish a separate noncomprehensive electronic indices which will be electronically available to county recorders. But the public may only view these noncomprehensive indexes at the State or county on computer terminals designated for this purpose. Obviously, between now and 9:30 a.m. on Monday morning leaves little time for action. I am going to send my letter of objections to the author, the Governor and members of the Appropriation Committee who have fax Email numbers available. The Committee: State Capital Bldg., Sacramento, CA 95814 Senator Dede Alpert (Chair), Room 5050; Fax 916-327-2188; Email <senator.alpert@sen.ca.gov> Senator Jim Battin (Vice Chair), Room 3024; Email <jim.Battin@sen.ca.gov> Senator Debora Bowen Room 4040; Email <senator.bowen@sen.ca.gov> Senator John Burton, Room 205; no fax; no Email Senator Martha Escuta, Room 5080; Fax 916-327-8755 Senator Maurice Johannessen, Room 5061; Fax 916-445-7750 Senator Ross Johnson, Room 3063, only in Irvine Office Senator Betty Karnette, Room 5066; Fax 916-641-4395 Senator Bruce McPherson, Room 2054; Email <senator.mcpherson@sen.ca.gov> Senator Kevin Murray, Room 4038; Fax 915-641-4395 Senator Don Perata, Room 4061; Fax 916-286-3885 Senator Charles Poochigian, Room 5087 Senator Jackie Speier, Room 2032; Fax 916-327-2186; <senator.speier@sen.ca.gov> Governor Gray Davis, Fax 916-445-4633; <governor@governor.ca.gov> -- Iris Carter Jones CSGA Legislative Coordinator

Around Sat,May 18 2002, at 10:45, joneils@msn.com, wrote: > > No joke - just what on earth make's mailing a piece of paper out of the > state that much more expensive. The Post Office still only charges 34 > cents. And the cost of copy paper is lest than a penny. Ink cartriges last > thousands of copies and are only about 40 bucks each. Boy I need a job at > this Oregon office. Labor for supplying out of state copies is a real good > deal, if you are a crook. You can rip them "out of stater's" off and they > are too far away to do anything about it. Hummmmmmmmm. > > Jo Part of my Taxes that I pay to the state go for the archives, why shouldn't I get a discount from what out of staters pay? Roger

Also, the folks that don't live in Oregon may not be aware that in the past week, the deficit that Oregon was facing has *doubled* to an incredible amount. I, too, am sorry that the rates are going up, but they will need to go up or the archives will not be available by mail at all. I'm about 200 miles from the archives so I have to use the mail service as well. The state of Ohio has very low fees for uncertified copies of death certificates, but those low fees have contributed to about a nine-month turnaround for requests. Elizabeth in Jackson County, Oregon

> I am still searching for John Quincy Mills born about 1860 in Missouri. His step-daughter used his name life-long and has him listed on her death certificate as of 1953 in California, he is listed as born in Missouri. > He would have gone to La Grande, Union Co., OR about 1880 and married a Emma Brower Wright b. 1860 Iowa. > He was her second husband, and they must have married in La Grande, OR about 1882. > They probably had children,as Emma was only about 21 when she married him, and I have pictures of them in their old age done at studios in Seattle, WA. That tells me, that they left the La Grande, OR area and went to Seattle area, most likely for work, sometime about 1900. They are most likely buried in the Seattle general area. > Are their any researchers out there with MILLS names in the Oregon, and Washington area at this time frame of 1880 to 1950?? Thanking you very kindly, > Lillian Kathleen Martin > > > ==== MILLS Mailing List ==== > YOUR GENEALOGY DATA IS AT RISK--IS YOUR COMPUTER VIRUS-INFECTED? > Free Online Virus Scan: http://housecall.antivirus.com/pc_housecall/ > Viruses, Trojans, and Worms: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html > >

5.00 or 10.00 for a death certificate is still a bargain. If we had to go to Oregon Vital Records it would cost $17.00. I think the Oregon State Archives has done a wonderful service for us. On top of the CHEAP rates I've never had to wait more than 2 or 3 days before I receive what I ordered in the mail (I've waiting weeks from other states). On top of being efficient the staff is always very nice and helpful. They also maintain a great web site for genealogy and records inventory (one of the best I have seen) which must take many hours of work. In addition they always update our genealogy mailing lists with new information (not just rate increases). If you ask me I think we are spoiled. I don't have alot of extra money either but I have no problem with paying the higher rates, especially for the wonderful service we receive. Janice Handsaker -----Original Message----- From: OREGON-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:OREGON-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Chris Havnar Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:38 AM To: OREGON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees I have written Layne for clarification on costs - but based on the time I wrote to her (Friday afternoon) I don't expect a reply until sometime Monday at the earliest - when I get the clarification - I will share. This lack of clarity 75 cents versus 10 dollars and the possibility that a death certificate could go to $10 - is why out of state researchers are gasping. Having said that, please excuse my absence for the balance of the weekend, while I go through my files and make my list of all the Oregon death certificates I've been meaning to get someday, and start requesting them. Best of luck to all in your searches, Chris At 11:02 AM 5/18/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >I must have overlooked this particular item. That amounts to a hike >of 4000% from 25 cents for a death certificate for out of state > >David > >Chris Havnar wrote: >> >> Sorry I erred - figure I should have used was $10 and that figure comes >> from this paragraph .... >> >> 2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes >> copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A >> Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a >> citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in the >> custody of the Archives Division. >> >> That is the paragraph that has me spinning as an out of state researcher. >> >> Chris >> ~~~~~~~ >> >> David, >> >> I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've >> already written for clarification. >> >> If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus >> postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that >> in the budget. >> >> BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me >> pause. >> >> Chris >> >> At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >> >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. >> > >> >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme >> >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards >> >for a copy. >> > >> > >> >W. David Samuelsen ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== Welcome to the OREGON LIST To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I must have overlooked this particular item. That amounts to a hike of 4000% from 25 cents for a death certificate for out of state David Chris Havnar wrote: > > Sorry I erred - figure I should have used was $10 and that figure comes > from this paragraph .... > > 2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes > copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A > Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a > citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in the > custody of the Archives Division. > > That is the paragraph that has me spinning as an out of state researcher. > > Chris > ~~~~~~~ > > David, > > I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've > already written for clarification. > > If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus > postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that > in the budget. > > BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me > pause. > > Chris > > At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. > > > >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme > >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards > >for a copy. > > > > > >W. David Samuelsen > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have written Layne for clarification on costs - but based on the time I wrote to her (Friday afternoon) I don't expect a reply until sometime Monday at the earliest - when I get the clarification - I will share. This lack of clarity 75 cents versus 10 dollars and the possibility that a death certificate could go to $10 - is why out of state researchers are gasping. Having said that, please excuse my absence for the balance of the weekend, while I go through my files and make my list of all the Oregon death certificates I've been meaning to get someday, and start requesting them. Best of luck to all in your searches, Chris At 11:02 AM 5/18/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >I must have overlooked this particular item. That amounts to a hike >of 4000% from 25 cents for a death certificate for out of state > >David > >Chris Havnar wrote: >> >> Sorry I erred - figure I should have used was $10 and that figure comes >> from this paragraph .... >> >> 2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes >> copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A >> Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a >> citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in the >> custody of the Archives Division. >> >> That is the paragraph that has me spinning as an out of state researcher. >> >> Chris >> ~~~~~~~ >> >> David, >> >> I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've >> already written for clarification. >> >> If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus >> postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that >> in the budget. >> >> BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me >> pause. >> >> Chris >> >> At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >> >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. >> > >> >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme >> >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards >> >for a copy. >> > >> > >> >W. David Samuelsen

I am 10 miles from the Archives Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Havnar" <jchavnar@sbcglobal.net> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Message from Oregon State Archivist > David, > > I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've > already written for clarification. > > If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus > postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that > in the budget. > > BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me > pause. > > Chris

Sorry I erred - figure I should have used was $10 and that figure comes from this paragraph .... 2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in the custody of the Archives Division. That is the paragraph that has me spinning as an out of state researcher. Chris ~~~~~~~ David, I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've already written for clarification. If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that in the budget. BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me pause. Chris At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. > >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards >for a copy. > > >W. David Samuelsen

David, I'd read and re-read the fee schedule and that wasn't real clear - I've already written for clarification. If a copy of a death certificate goes from the current 25 cents plus postage to 75 cents plus postage - I have little concerns - I can find that in the budget. BUT it read as if: it was going to $20 for out of state - and that gave me pause. Chris At 09:10 PM 5/17/2002 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. > >Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme >BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards >for a copy. > > >W. David Samuelsen > >

I wondered about why the higher rate also. I do think the increase is much higher than I expected. Also wondered why so high when you have volunteers who do most of the lookups that are requested by e-mail. Or am I wrong about that? Have enjoyed the very low rates previously charged and am not surprised you need to raise them but so much? LSchiendel@aol.com

Can anyone speculate why the "out of state" fees are so high?? Many of my relatives lived their whole lives in Oregon state. They paid their income taxes and property taxes just like everyone else. Why would it cost more for me (someone who lives in Vancouver, WA (minutes from OR)) to request information on them? Shouldn't the fees be strictly based on recovery of actual costs only, not on where the requester lives? (PS>> my husband works in Oregon, and we pay a lot of Oregon taxes ourselves, but don't get to ever vote on how our tax dollars are used :-( Thanks Pat <A HREF="http://www.cemeteryinfo.net">Portland,OR & Vancouver,WA Cemetery, Funeral Home & Yearbook index info</A> In a message dated 5/17/02 6:02:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, OREGON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << ----- Original Message ----- From: "Layne Sawyer" <laynes@archive2.sos.state.or.us> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [OREGON] Message from Oregon State Archivist > To our users: > > Today the Archives Division filed an amendment to the Oregon Administrative > Rules that revises the fees we charge. When you review these fees, please > understand that none of these increases apply to those of you who come to the > Archives Building to do your research. > > In the past, our fees reflected our costs in supplies and equipment. Now they > also include our staff costs. Because of the budget cuts the Archives has > taken, we must recover some of our staff costs from the fees we charge. We > determined these fees by careful study and analysis of the actual time it takes > to perform the work, as well as costs in equipment, supplies and postage. > > Please direct your comments to me by e-mail at roy.c.turnbaugh@state.or.us > or by > mail at Archives Building, 800 Summer St. NE, Salem, Oregon 97310. A hearing on > these rule changes has been scheduled for 10 a.m., June 19, 2002, at the > Archives Building. Again, I regret that these measures are necessary and I > thank you for your support and understanding. > > Roy C. Turnbaugh > State Archivist > > Text of proposed rule amendment: > > 166-010-0016 > Archives Division Fees > (1) Ready Reference requests - no charge. > Includes requests for information that can be answered by staff without leaving > their workstation or by consulting basic reference tools such as finding aids, > tracing binders, or reference books. > (2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes > copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A > Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a > citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in the > custody of the Archives Division. > (3) Basic Case File Request - $10 in-state; $15 out-of-state. This includes up > to 10 photocopies, postage and supplies. Additional photocopy pages are > charged at .75 cents per page. A Basic Case File Request must provide an exact > citation to a record in the custody of the Archives Division. > (4) Other Requests - $5 out-of-state. In addition, all other requests will > include labor charges and copying, supply and postage charges when incurred. > (5) Labor charges - $30 per hour charged in $5 (10-minute) increments. There > is a maximum of $120 (four hours labor) for any request. > (6) Photocopies > Copies made by the customer - 25 cents per page. > Copies made by Archives Division staff - 75 cents per page. > (7) Fax - 75 cents per page. > (8) PDF - 75 cents per page. > (9) Audio Tape duplication > Cassette to cassette duplicates- $6 per cassette. > (10) Certification - $5 per certification. > (11) Digital Imaging > Copy of existing tiff file to CD-ROM, Zip Disk, or FTP - $15 per file copied > Digital Color Inkjet prints - $10. > Scan from original archival record (300 dpi unless otherwise requested) - $20 > per scan. > (12) Reproduction by Outside Vendor - $10 handling fee. > > >>

with massive budget cuts not only Oregon's but so are many other states. Oregon's fees are still a bargain, considering the constraints placed by the Oregon's voters. The "much higher" fee - not as high as I thought it might be but lower than I expected. And what's more, when I was at Oregon State Archives, I didn't see much volunteers. Maybe just one just to check death certificates. Pretty much sum it. Most of volunteers they have are used for indexing projects. We should be thankful Oregon had sense to get volunteers for projects while other states still haven't come to that sense yet. David LSchiendel@aol.com wrote: > > I wondered about why the higher rate also. I do think the increase is > much higher than I expected. > > Also wondered why so high when you have volunteers who do most of the lookups > that are requested by e-mail. Or am I wrong about that? > > Have enjoyed the very low rates previously charged and am not surprised you > need to raise them but so much? > > LSchiendel@aol.com > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

if only you knew how much massive budget cuts all across the state budgets! It is hurting all the way down to city level already. Oregon isn't only one facing such massive cut backs. So are many other states, too. Coupled with fee increases. Oregon's fees are still absolute BARGAIN compared to other states. Oregon's 75 cents by mail for a copy of death certificate? extreme BARGAIN considering other states want at least 7 dollars and upwards for a copy. Utah has to go back into session for 3rd time just to try to balance the budget this year already. Is facing 155 million deficit right now. They had to ax a lot of budgets all across except education all over again. One cut for education and no more but all other budgets are facing cuts for 3rd time. W. David Samuelsen Jackie Marshall wrote: > > I too am very sad to see the out-of-town fees so high. They really do > need a fee increase, but this is too much for me. I have just written a > polite message to Mr. Turnbaugh asking him to reconsider. > Jackie > in Amherst, NH > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Did you stop to think where taxes are going to support budgets? In-state taxes are used. None of taxes from out of state. And you need to check with nearest FHC for the vast array of records now available on microfilm released by Oregon State Archives. Same thing when you get hunting or fishing licenses, out of state are higher than residents' in just about every state. David GNINNAH@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone speculate why the "out of state" fees are so high?? > > Many of my relatives lived their whole lives in Oregon state. They paid > their income taxes and property taxes just like everyone else. Why would it > cost more for me (someone who lives in Vancouver, WA (minutes from OR)) to > request information on them? Shouldn't the fees be strictly based on > recovery of actual costs only, not on where the requester lives? > > (PS>> my husband works in Oregon, and we pay a lot of Oregon taxes ourselves, > but don't get to ever vote on how our tax dollars are used :-( > > Thanks > Pat > > <A HREF="http://www.cemeteryinfo.net">Portland,OR & Vancouver,WA Cemetery, > Funeral Home & Yearbook index info</A> > > In a message dated 5/17/02 6:02:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > OREGON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Layne Sawyer" <laynes@archive2.sos.state.or.us> > To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:50 AM > Subject: [OREGON] Message from Oregon State Archivist > > > > To our users: > > > > Today the Archives Division filed an amendment to the Oregon > Administrative > > Rules that revises the fees we charge. When you review these fees, please > > understand that none of these increases apply to those of you who come to > the > > Archives Building to do your research. > > > > In the past, our fees reflected our costs in supplies and equipment. Now > they > > also include our staff costs. Because of the budget cuts the Archives has > > taken, we must recover some of our staff costs from the fees we charge. We > > determined these fees by careful study and analysis of the actual time it > takes > > to perform the work, as well as costs in equipment, supplies and postage. > > > > Please direct your comments to me by e-mail at roy.c.turnbaugh@state.or.us > > or by > > mail at Archives Building, 800 Summer St. NE, Salem, Oregon 97310. A > hearing on > > these rule changes has been scheduled for 10 a.m., June 19, 2002, at the > > Archives Building. Again, I regret that these measures are necessary and I > > thank you for your support and understanding. > > > > Roy C. Turnbaugh > > State Archivist > > > > Text of proposed rule amendment: > > > > 166-010-0016 > > Archives Division Fees > > (1) Ready Reference requests - no charge. > > Includes requests for information that can be answered by staff without > leaving > > their workstation or by consulting basic reference tools such as finding > aids, > > tracing binders, or reference books. > > (2) Basic records request - $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state. This includes > > copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. > A > > Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a > > citation from the death index, a record listed in the on-line index) in > the > > custody of the Archives Division. > > (3) Basic Case File Request - $10 in-state; $15 out-of-state. This > includes up > > to 10 photocopies, postage and supplies. Additional photocopy pages are > > charged at .75 cents per page. A Basic Case File Request must provide an > exact > > citation to a record in the custody of the Archives Division. > > (4) Other Requests - $5 out-of-state. In addition, all other requests will > > include labor charges and copying, supply and postage charges when > incurred. > > (5) Labor charges - $30 per hour charged in $5 (10-minute) increments. > There > > is a maximum of $120 (four hours labor) for any request. > > (6) Photocopies > > Copies made by the customer - 25 cents per page. > > Copies made by Archives Division staff - 75 cents per page. > > (7) Fax - 75 cents per page. > > (8) PDF - 75 cents per page. > > (9) Audio Tape duplication > > Cassette to cassette duplicates- $6 per cassette. > > (10) Certification - $5 per certification. > > (11) Digital Imaging > > Copy of existing tiff file to CD-ROM, Zip Disk, or FTP - $15 per file > copied > > Digital Color Inkjet prints - $10. > > Scan from original archival record (300 dpi unless otherwise requested) - > $20 > > per scan. > > (12) Reproduction by Outside Vendor - $10 handling fee. > > > > >> > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have been using the Archives for 4 years to copy and send me many different kinds of records. Oregon is the only state that I know of that has these really low fees .25 a copy plus postage. Genealogy has become such a huge hobby that the requests are becoming more then some states can handle. Most states I have dealt with are at least $5 and that usually will cover postage. I will be sad to see the prices raised also but hope they are not raised to the extent of the info we have received. $30 an hour for research is pretty steep. I too will be writing to Mr. Turnbaugh and I will be thanking him for the many years of this low cost service and suggest maybe there could be a compromise of somewhere in-between for the fees. Regards, Lorelee Dendauw searching; Dendauw ~ Iles ~ Murray ~ Dyer ~ Pohl Butenschoen ~ Sellers ~ Ireland ~ Ady ----- Original Message ----- From: <OREGON-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <OREGON-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: OREGON-D Digest V02 #158

I too am very sad to see the out-of-town fees so high. They really do need a fee increase, but this is too much for me. I have just written a polite message to Mr. Turnbaugh asking him to reconsider. Jackie in Amherst, NH