Thanks, Jim, I may try ordering that one, but they weren't married until 7 years later. However, could be a relative, hmmm. Pat

Try ordering the death record for John Cooley, d Columbia County in Oregon, 15 OCT 1909, record #3012. While it's true that Columbia County does not extend to Astoria, this is the only death that even remotely fits your discription Order it from the Oregon Archives, who's address is in the body of this message. Good Luck, Jim in Portland --- Patcoolnet@aol.com wrote: > My Great Uncle said there was a baby born to his > parents before (him he was > born May 13 1919) that died in infancy. This > supposedly happened in Astoria, > OR between 1916 and that time. Parents would have > been Franklin Arthur > Cooley and Irene Dow Cooley. Is there somewhere to > check those record? > > Pat in WA State > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this > link to the Oregon-L > web site > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Baker County Main TOC http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/or/bakerfiles.htm < http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-braswell01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-brown02.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-carroll01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-conner01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-demoss01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-driggers01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-dye01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-elliott01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-fullerton01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-garrett02.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-gover01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-guthrie01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-harsin01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-hornbeck01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-houser01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-howard01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-lewis03.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-lutz01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-maxwell01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-street01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-towell01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-true01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-turner01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-widman01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-wright01.txt > Main Oregon TOC http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/or/orfiles.htm W. David Samuelsen, reporter

> Dear Readers > I have been searching for my La Grande, Union Co., OR BROWERs, who went there via the Oregon Trail and settled about 1882. A widow with 13 grown BROWER children > settled there. These Brower descendants are throughout > Oregon and Washington by now. > I just found some of them on a great database: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~utgenweb/ > > When you get there, click on the Western States Marriages. > You can search by bride or groom, or last name only. I found some of my own ancestors, that I have been looking eveywhere for, and found many more Brower names when I searched by BROWER only. I then singled out the ones in Union Co., OR as they are the ones that I know to be my relatives, and I can start to work on those names. > > Lillian Kathleen Martin > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I found a lot of Union Co., OR marriages under my surnames, unfortunately, none of the line I need. However, I found it so useful that I have added it to my links page on my website -- Thanks, Sandy Please visit my homepage and see if you have any clues in my hunt for my elusive grandfather http://www.rootssearch.net/mygensite/sscarletgen/index.html Searching for the Ancestry of John ATTEBERRY "Mary Lou Orthmann" <mlorthmann@hotmail.com> wrote: >That's a neat site.  However, I could not get any of my Oregon relatives to >show up on that.  They were all Idaho or Utah people. > >I don't think it contains (all) Oregon people. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> >To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:01 AM >Subject: [OREGON] Western States Marriages > > >> > Dear Readers >> > I have been searching for my La Grande, Union Co., OR BROWERs, who went >> there via the Oregon Trail and settled about 1882.  A widow with 13 grown >> BROWER children >> > settled there.  These Brower descendants are throughout >> > Oregon and Washington by now. >> > I just found some of them on a great database: >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~utgenweb/ >> > >> > When you get there, click on the Western States Marriages. >> > You can search by bride or groom, or last name only.  I found some of my >> own ancestors, that I have been looking eveywhere for, and found many more >> Brower names when I searched by BROWER only.  I then singled out the ones >in >> Union Co., OR as they are the ones that I know to be my relatives, and I >can >> start to work on those names. >> > >> > Lillian Kathleen Martin >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >> go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== >>  Welcome to the OREGON LIST >> To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L >> web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html >> Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST >To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L >web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html >Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Lilly Thank you so much for sharing this. I too am researching in Union Co., OR with no luck, I will check it out With Regards, Sandy "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> wrote: >> Dear Readers >> I have been searching for my La Grande, Union Co., OR BROWERs, who went >there via the Oregon Trail and settled about 1882.  A widow with 13 grown >BROWER children >> settled there.  These Brower descendants are throughout >> Oregon and Washington by now. >> I just found some of them on a great database: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~utgenweb/ >> >> When you get there, click on the Western States Marriages. >> You can search by bride or groom, or last name only.  I found some of my >own ancestors, that I have been looking eveywhere for, and found many more >Brower names when I searched by BROWER only.  I then singled out the ones in >Union Co., OR as they are the ones that I know to be my relatives, and I can >start to work on those names. >> >> Lillian Kathleen Martin __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

That's a neat site. However, I could not get any of my Oregon relatives to show up on that. They were all Idaho or Utah people. I don't think it contains (all) Oregon people. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: [OREGON] Western States Marriages > > Dear Readers > > I have been searching for my La Grande, Union Co., OR BROWERs, who went > there via the Oregon Trail and settled about 1882. A widow with 13 grown > BROWER children > > settled there. These Brower descendants are throughout > > Oregon and Washington by now. > > I just found some of them on a great database: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~utgenweb/ > > > > When you get there, click on the Western States Marriages. > > You can search by bride or groom, or last name only. I found some of my > own ancestors, that I have been looking eveywhere for, and found many more > Brower names when I searched by BROWER only. I then singled out the ones in > Union Co., OR as they are the ones that I know to be my relatives, and I can > start to work on those names. > > > > Lillian Kathleen Martin > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Baker County Obituaries 2002 < http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-bond01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-brookshier01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-bumgardner01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-calder01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-cummings01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-dalke01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-daniels01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-dias01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-doud01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-fenner01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-higgins01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-maynard01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-norwood01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-peterson01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-prindle01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-randall01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-settlemyer01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-talbott01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-tucker01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-webb01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-york01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-york02.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-young01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/baker/obits/bch02-zachary01.txt > W. David Samuelsen, reporter

Pat: For some reason I just got the message that you sent on the 15th to the list regarding birth records. As you know it is against Oregon law to publish the birth records for 100 years, however, I have access to OREGON BIRTH RECORDS. If you contact me off list I will give you the scoop. Sharon sharonor@aracnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Patcoolnet@aol.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: [OREGON] question for everyone--birth records > My Great Uncle said there was a baby born to his parents before (him he was > born May 13 1919) that died in infancy. This supposedly happened in Astoria, > OR between 1916 and that time. Parents would have been Franklin Arthur > Cooley and Irene Dow Cooley. Is there somewhere to check those record? > > Pat in WA State > > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

US District Court, Portland, OR http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx-cc.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx001.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx002.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx003.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx004.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/court/d-newindx005.txt Main TOC - Oregon http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/or/orfiles.htm W. David Samuelsen, reporter

I got a response from Layne at the Oregon Archives and the bottom line is that for an out of state researcher, a death certificate that currently costs 25 cents will rise to $10 - for in state researchers who do not go to Salem the cost will rise from the current 25 cents to $5 I know that I will spending some of my next Oregon vacation - not visiting family but in the Archives .... Layne's response below - I don't mean to start anything - but since I was confused as to the proposed costs and various folks were reading the proposal in various manners - I thought I'd share the information so that everyone had the same information from a reliable source. Chris At 03:25 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, SAWYER Layne G wrote: >Chris, > >As the proposed rule currently reads, (and given the number of questions I have received it isn't as clear as it could be apparently) a death certificate would be $5.00 for a person in state and $10.00 for an out-of -state resident. In effect out of state residents will be asked to pay a $5.00 surcharge on any request they send to us. We regret the need to institute this new fee structure but we are faced with very significant budget reductions. > >We are developing a series of on-line forms which we hope will make answering requests more efficient (once we all get use to them). This will change our policy regarding two names per request. So to go back to your original question of how much it would cost for an out-of-state resident to receive two death certificates, the answer would be a total of $20.00. > >Again I should state these are proposed changes and the comments we receive from our customers/patrons will be considered before the final rules are adopted. > >Thank you for asking for clarification. I sincerely hope we continue to have the opportunity to serve you in the future. > >Regards, > >Layne Sawyer >Oregon State Archives

Tiffany Noel Newton and Jay Anthony Kenslow have announced their plans to be married June 29, 2002. Tiffany is the daughter of Marian and Paul Wadsworth of The Dalles, and Greg and Fay Newton of Roseburg (Oregon). She is a 1991 graduate of The Dalles High School and 1995 graduate of Pacific University with a BA in Political Science. She is employed with Friends of the Columbia Gorge. Jay is the son of Dan and Pat Kenslow of The Dalles. He is a 1991 graduate of Wahtonka High School. He is employed at Jacks Auto Body. The wedding will be held at the Ft. Dalles Museum. The Dalles Chronicle May 19, 2002 Written permission to reprint Landmarks announcement given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser.

Mr. and Mrs. Duane Crass of Eugene (Oregon) announce the engagement of their daughter Tiffany Elaine Crass to Adam S. Thompson, son of Steve and Kerry Thompson of The Dalles. Tiffany is a 1999 graduate of North Eugene High School in Eugene and currently works as a health care worker. Adam is a 1995 graduate of The Dalles High School and a 2000 graduate of the University of Oregon. Adam currently works for the Acutel Corporation in Eugene. The couple will be married on June 21, 2002 in the Portland Oregon LDS Temple. The couple will honeymoon on the Oregon Coast and reside in Eugene. The Dalles Chronicle May 19, 2002 Written permission to reprint Landmarks announcement given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser.

The Dalles Chronicle May 19, 2002 The old car at left in last weeks photo turned out to be a stumper. According to the information attached, it was a 1906 Everybody, owned by William Seufert, the "third car in The Dalles." Written permission to reprint History Mystery Photo given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Contact Rodger Nichols, rnichols@eaglenewspapers.com Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser.

The Dalles Chronicle May 19, 2002 20 Years Ago, May 19, 1982 William L. "Bill" Hulse and Rick Cantrell won the contested Republican races for county judge and commissioner Tuesday. Hulse will face Democrat Jim Comini and Cantrell will face Democrat Maxine Cobb in December's general election. They both ran unopposed, although Hulse had mounted a write-in campaign and pulled 253 votes. Comini also ran a write-in campaign and pulled in 57 votes. 40 Years Ago, May 19, 1962 Wasco County followed the prevailing trend in most ballot contests in Friday's primary election giving an edge to Sig Unander in the Republican race for the U.S. Senate nomination and endorsing Robert Chandler for U.S. Representative. In the top contest of local interest, Dan P. McLoughlin in effect won the new district judgeship by defeating Vernon L. Burda. The unofficial vote in 38 of 39 Wasco County precincts was McLoughlin 2,273; Burda, 1,631. McLoughlin's name will appear on the fall ballot. Eugene Myers was elected president of The Dalles Lions Club this week and will take office along with other new officers on July 1. Myers, 1961-62 First vice president will be Walter Long with Gordon Miller and Tom Manful to fill the second and third VP posts. Re-elected secretary-treasurer will be Hubbard Day; New tail twister will be Ray Tupper and Robert Clark will serve as the lion tamer. Elected in director spots were John Byers and Frank Adams. 60 Years Ago, May 19, 1942 With Dr. Paul J. Raver, Bonneville administrator, as the principal speaker, public power advocates of The Dalles and Wasco county will assemble at Mack's cafe on Thursday of this week for a banquet commemorating the arrival of Bonneville power in this area. Itinerant farm labor will receive necessary gasoline to travel during the harvest season, J.J. Miller, manager of The Dalles Cooperative Growers, reported today after receipt of a telegram from Senator Charles McNary. Miller, in cooperation with Walter R. Bailey, manager of the Columbia Fruit Growers, had wired Senator McNary asking clarification of the gas rationing laws on this particular point. Local growers had expressed concerns over a possible shortage of farm help during the harvest season if itinerant laborers were not allowed gas for their cars. 80 Years Ago, May 19, 1922 An audience that packed all of the lower floor of the municipal auditorium and partially filled the balcony section listened last night to a diatribe against Catholicism delivered by R.W. Sawyer of Portland, lecturer for the Ku Klux Klan. The lecture was followed by a motion picture entitled "The Face at the Window" described as picturing the truth about the much discussed Klan, and upholding that organization as an apostle for law, order and Americanism. The program was under the auspices of the local Klan branch, but the identity of any local people with the affair was carefully hidden by the shrouding uniforms of the Klansmen. The Dalles King's Food Products company will probably reopen its local plant on the dehydration of spinach Monday morning manager C.C. Ross said this morning. A considerable acreage of spinach has been contracted for the dehydration plant this year. 100 Years Ago, May 19, 1902 It strikes terror to the heart of Dalles people to think what a close call we had yesterday and how near we came to having a repetition of the 1891 disaster. About 9 o;clock in the morning employees in the Bully feed yard discovered fire within two feet of the hay barn and at once extinguised it. It had been set by a drunken sheepherder, who had disappeared but was captured later near Moody's warehouse. He was taken to the city jail and gave his name as Woolsey but was too drunk to realize what he had done. Last night he was released on $8 bail. With a hurricane like we had yesterday, there would have been little hope of controlling the flames. Note: The 1891 fire destroyed 20 blocks of residental and business establishments. Written permission to reprint Looking Back-A Glimpse Through the Chronicle's Files given by The Dalles Chronicle, The Dalles, Oregon. Copied and submitted by Earline Wasser.

Agreed l;-) Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <joneils@msn.com> To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees > > OK - enough - I really didn't mean they were cooks. I know these folks work > hard for the money. I sometimes just get tired of having all the rates for > doing anything go up and up and up. I too do volunteer look-ups, traveling > to different library and county offices for others and never ask for > anything in return. I figure down the line some kind person will return > that favor that I need. So please don't take offense at my sounding off > about our higher fee's for doing the same ol job they been doing for cheap > fee's. > > Tired Ol Jo

OK - enough - I really didn't mean they were cooks. I know these folks work hard for the money. I sometimes just get tired of having all the rates for doing anything go up and up and up. I too do volunteer look-ups, traveling to different library and county offices for others and never ask for anything in return. I figure down the line some kind person will return that favor that I need. So please don't take offense at my sounding off about our higher fee's for doing the same ol job they been doing for cheap fee's. Tired Ol Jo >From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> >Reply-To: OREGON-L@rootsweb.com >To: OREGON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:29:01 -0700 > >I don't think any one is being a crook. >I do think they were being low cost in the past. >I do know how much work they do to get us boxes to look into and do look >ups >for people who cant get there. , also the archives is not that big and >there are not very many people there and it is time consuming on them to do >hours of look ups , they get wages like every one else with no means of >profits ,I think cost could be a little high, or the out of state research >might be questioned, but this will help cover costs they cant meet , but to >be called crooks it way out in left field. > I have got many of these for people and I paid the 25 cents and I paid >the postage and I never ask on cent , its about 25 miles round trip and >once >I told some one it would cost 25 dollars for 5 lookups because they wanted >me to make a special trip, I am my wife's caregiver and at times I cant get >away unless I pay some one to stay with her 25 dollars, I was called a >crook >and they refused to write to me any more, in general I look to helping >people because I get help from others at times and we just return favors to >different people and the circle goes on. > As a mechanic would I install a 34 cent part in a machine if the labor >took 1 hour as least and only charge 34 cents ? > We need to take one step back and look at this whole picture and >consider >these people and how the archives are funded - Ps I am one who parks in >free >spots on the block and walks just a little rather than fill a parking meter >, so I am no different than other people who like to save a buck, and I >think parking meters should be cheaper <G> > But crooks? Nah! >Dan l;-) >----- Original Message ----- >From: <joneils@msn.com> >To: <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:45 PM >Subject: Re: [OREGON] Out of State Fees > > > > > > No joke - just what on earth make's mailing a piece of paper out of the > > state that much more expensive. The Post Office still only charges 34 > > cents. And the cost of copy paper is lest than a penny. Ink cartriges >last > > thousands of copies and are only about 40 bucks each. Boy I need a job >at > > this Oregon office. Labor for supplying out of state copies is a real >good > > deal, if you are a crook. You can rip them "out of stater's" off and >they > > are too far away to do anything about it. Hummmmmmmmm. > > > > Jo > > > > > >==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST >To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L >web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html >Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

With the Oregon economy in its current state of crisis with budgets for essential services being cut to the bone, what would genealogists do if the Oregon State Archives closed due to lack of funding? The availability of these priceless records is a gift! If you hire a researcher to do long distance digging, you can expect to pay an hourly rate plus all costs -- travel, parking, copying, postage -- often with a minimum number of hours paid in advance. Genealogy is not an inexpensive undertaking ... apparently, everyone is so used to getting so much from Oregon for so little, that the increase in rates has taken the community by surprise. I'm sorry, when we have the highest unemployment rate in the nation, when our education and social service budgets are being cut to the bone, when our law enforcement agencies face personnel cuts, I can't find much sympathy for complainers about "unfair" research charges -- By the way -- there is are a great many other factors than the cost of postage, paper and ink when determining what to charge for research and the results of that research. Think about it ... how much do you pay for a cup of coffee at your local coffee shop (no not Starbucks)! -- 1.00 per cup, 1.50 per cup? If that coffee shop charged you what the beverage actually costs, you would pay less than a nickel a cup! What drives up the price? Well, the rent, the utilities, the wages, the insurance, the breakage, the losses, the water, the china, the ... you get the idea! Same holds true for the Archives ... they have rent, insurance, utilities, equipment acquisition and maintenance, salaries, etc. Of course, you could go through the Office of Vital Records to get your birth and death certificates ... everyone pays the same amount ... $15.00 each for those certificates from that office. Even with the new rates, the Archives is still a bargain! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<original message>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > No joke - just what on earth make's mailing a piece of paper out of the > > > state that much more expensive. The Post Office still only charges 34 > > cents. And the cost of copy paper is lest than a penny. Ink cartriges > last > > thousands of copies and are only about 40 bucks each. Boy I need a job > at > > this Oregon office. Labor for supplying out of state copies is a real > good > > deal, if you are a crook. You can rip them "out of stater's" off and > they > > are too far away to do anything about it. Hummmmmmmmm. >

In a message dated 5/18/02 7:12:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, OREGON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Did you stop to think where taxes are going to support budgets? In-state taxes are used. None of taxes from out of state. Same thing when you get hunting or fishing licenses, out of state are higher than residents' in just about every state. David >> I can understand the higher fees for out-of-state hunting and fishing licenses... I believe this is due to the effect of reduction of Oregon natural resources by a non-Oregon resident.... but having higher fees for a non-resident genealogist??, I cannot see their reasoning... I would not be depleting any Oregon resources by requesting an Obit :-) LOL I have No quarrel with increasing fees to cover rising costs. I understand this might be necessary to keep the archives available for future use... However, what I Do have a problem with is the inequitable charges assessed between "Residents" and the non-resident requesters. Sure, if there are additional fees for long distance telephone calls or more postage needed, by all means pass those along to that particular requester... but last time I checked, it cost the same to mail a letter inside Oregon as it did to send it from Oregon to Vancouver, Washington :-) And remember, many of those ancestors in those archives paid Oregon taxes. And those of us who pay Oregon taxes through payroll, but live in other states, should be considered. Last I heard, Oregon did not break out personal income taxes between residents and non-residents when accepting monies for their budgets. I believe a fee to cover a certain type of lookup should be the same for both residents and non-residents. >>> SAY>>> Does Oregon have microfilmed birth certificates and a birth index like Washington State does?? If so, do you know where they can that be viewed? I regularly search the WA birth index and certificates at the local LDS... one day I made a trip to a Portland LDS, and was surprised that they did not have the indexes or certificates in their films.... Do they exist for Oregon just like Washington? Thanks! Pat

FHL finally have the rest of the death certificate indexes all the way to 2000. HOWEVER!!!!! The first part is bad. The original prints were discarded before anyone realized the microfilms had SPOTS blotting out the names! And what's more, there's delayed birth certificates now available on microfilm from 1843 to 1899. Not kidding! Any volunteers to transcribe the indexes and cross-check with the death certificate to get additional information such as mother's maiden name, married or single, place of burial to make index as complete as possible can be? I already started on 1903-1920 period and it takes time. W. David Samuelsen > >>> SAY>>> > > Does Oregon have microfilmed birth certificates and a birth index like > Washington State does?? If so, do you know where they can that be viewed? > > > I regularly search the WA birth index and certificates at the local LDS... > one day I made a trip to a Portland LDS, and was surprised that they did not > have the indexes or certificates in their films.... Do they exist for > Oregon just like Washington? > > Thanks! > Pat > > ==== OREGON Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the OREGON LIST > To Search the OREGON-L or leave the lists use this link to the Oregon-L > web site http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OR/misc.html > Oregon Archives http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237