Having grown up in small town northern Maine with its history of town meeting and Roberts Rules of Order, I would ask that name calling of other members of the list cease immediately. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM, <orcadia-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (stephen davie) > 2. cars on ferries (stephen davie) > 3. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) > 4. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Janice Langland) > 5. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) > 6. Re: Ferry Tales... (Mike Ridlen) > 7. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Mike Ridlen) > 8. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Slater Anne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:58:50 -0400 > From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21441394479C3C9BEB383491DF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Sian: > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > dock." > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > micro country, seperated by adjoining > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > understand by living there. > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > Makes me want to ask what the > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > good. > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > Cheers: > > Stepehn > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > > visit > > for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > > sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > > > > Sian > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:28:59 -0400 > From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [ORCADIA] cars on ferries > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP432B2614A749D1AEB5D57391DF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I guess the final point on this ferry service issue, is just how many > out islanders heading to Kirkwall, actually take a car along. Then, > how many of those cars are really needed? > When the weather is bad, a car is a nice personal shelter. But > loading a ferry with them has to be costly and somewhat restrictive > as to volume/numbers on any given sailing. > > In our north, people have taken to little buggies which evolved from > a sort of a cross between a golf cart and a AVT four wheel dirt bike. > These things have room for two or four people, depending if they are > the one or two seat model. They are enclosed, heated, and the seats > afe comfortable with seat belts. They are available with a thrifty > little diesel engine, and they will move along quite handily. These > sorts of things didn't seem to be engaged much in Orkney, and I was > wondering if that would change. To move people or a large grocery > stock delivery, these things would be fine. They also have a little > utility bed on the back, which is fine for equpment and heavier > things. They cost a fraction of what a car does, and they serve the > purpose better in some cases, especially in remote and rural areas > where roads are not so good, or indeed non-esixtent. Farmers here > love them for gdetting around their land, fixing fences, and checking > livestock. > > I just don't understand what the qualifier is for deciding to take a > car to Kirkwall to shop, if you live on another island. > The world is backing off the oil consumption volumes. Looking at > transportation values is a key point to using less fuel. > > Stephen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:29:30 -0400 > From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009601cb0e21$1f883180$5e989480$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first apologize for > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the > discussions really have been about the area and various topics relating to > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue with the > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. > > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake even if he > should know how to avoid doing so. > > Best wishes, > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who feel the > need for that constraint. > > - Rob Sutherland > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:39:11 -0400 > From: Janice Langland <callmejanice@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <2C71D773-E13E-4278-A34D-1AD0A7BBEC32@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Jim, your apology is accepted with a warm heart. There are two lists > on Orkney, and it's easy to mix them up. > Janice > > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first > > apologize for > > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the > > discussions really have been about the area and various topics > > relating to > > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue > > with the > > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of > > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. > > > > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake > > even if he > > should know how to avoid doing so. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com > > ] On > > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert > > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM > > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > > > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. > > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who > > feel the > > need for that constraint. > > > > - Rob Sutherland > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:47:42 -0400 > From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009701cb0e23$aa64ad40$ff2e07c0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I meant to introduce myself in the previous post but haven't had enough > coffee this morning to think straight. Of course this means it was too > very > late in the evening for my first message. > > I am Jim "Pops" Jackson and live in Smyrna, GA (USA). I have discovered > that a major portion of my ancestry is English, Scots and Irish with most > of > it being English thanks to my mother's heritage. As such I have developed > a > keen interest in Rootsweb lists relating to the British Isles, hoping to > learn more about the areas my ancestors called home. I have been active in > Rootsweb for at least 10 years. It was still a rather young enterprise, > operated by its developer/owners. At that time personal financial > donations > were accepted to help fund the project. > > The "Pops" comes from the name our first grandchild gave me. It has > spilled > over to other areas of my life since then. That granddaughter has recently > blessed us with a great-grandson. With my wife's mother still living we > can > actually have five generations together at one time. I still have trouble > conceiving of this since I am only 67 years "young" myself. My wife and I > could actually live to see a great-great-grandchild. This is amazing to me > since it is my paternal great-great-grandfather who has given me the most > trouble in my genealogical pursuits. > > This is probably more information than you were asking for but then, you > did > ask. :) > > Best wishes, > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of KJEMEM@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:44 PM > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > Also understood it to be about Orkney in general, and genealogy to be > discussed separately. > > And, we've had a custom of new people introducing themselves Who are > you??? > > Karen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:12:09 -0500 > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <77DB2B0B0B044F0EBCD811BD75FB2E11@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Stephen's an idiot. I am likewise fed up with his perpetual, unfounded > bashing of the United States. He's like the Unabomber, living in a small > cabin in the woods, tossing grenades over the border from time to time to > satisfy some grudge he has against an entire country. Granted an ounce of > prevention is worth a pound of cure. That was the problem in the Gulf. > Stephen, why don't you direct that comment toward British Petroleum first, > George Bush second, and then to Mr. Obama who has had his hands full with > other problems created by the republicans and their disdain for regulation > and for government in general. > > I congratulate the Canadians on their regulations as I understand they > require oil companies to drill a second well at the time they drill the > first. We are having to wait months for that, and it appears to be our > only > real hope in stopping this current problem. When I say we, I mostly mean > BP. > The US government is not in the business of drilling for oil or stopping > leaks. > > As for your freedom, Stephen, you can thank the US for that. Your little > cabin in the woods would belong to someone else if Canada had to depend on > its own military to defend the country. Also, you can thank us for > subsidizing your prescription drug prices as we have to pay the > manufacturers more for the same drugs to make up for the discounts your > government gets on them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:27 PM > Subject: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > > An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as > > Mr. Obama is discovering. > > > > Nite all.....Stephen > > > > I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my > > own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I > > believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. > > This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." > > - July 1, 1960. From the Canadian Bill of Rights. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:15:56 -0500 > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7FEBA2B32C944A0D97AD32E89F02D137@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to read > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you are > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > > > Sian: > > > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > > dock." > > > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > > micro country, seperated by adjoining > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > > understand by living there. > > > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > > Makes me want to ask what the > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > > good. > > > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > > > Cheers: > > > > Stepehn > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > >> visit > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > >> > >> Sian > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:53:16 -0400 > From: Slater Anne <slater.anne@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTim38W3Y0BZu9FSKd2yk0_rlDk4BC6Aq5eHLWTNR@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way > you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive > step forward. > Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am not > interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in > general. > > Anne Slater > "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as > well > as to face to face communication. > *Thich Nhat Hanh > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen <mikeridlen@earthlink.net > >wrote: > > > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to > read > > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you > are > > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > > > > > > Sian: > > > > > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > > > dock." > > > > > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > > > micro country, seperated by adjoining > > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > > > understand by living there. > > > > > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > > > Makes me want to ask what the > > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > > > good. > > > > > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > > > > > Cheers: > > > > > > Stepehn > > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > > > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > > >> visit > > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > > >> > > >> Sian > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of ORCADIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > ************************************** > -- Nan Fowler Adult Education Program Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy River's Crossing, 4th Floor 850 College Station Road University of Georgia Athens, GA USA 30602