Having been born in Northern New England and schooled a few paces from the border, where Canadian history is taught along side American history, the same proportion by population of Canadians are soldiers as are US people and the same number by population have died serving their country and the world in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Korea and WWII, just as American and Orcadian women and men have/did/do overseas. And the cost of our drugs is not Canada's or any other country with socialized medicine, etc., etc. problem no matter how cheap their prescriptions are --it is a drug company problem. Canada is not with out their own issues, but no country is either. Though we may stray from topic here at times, not one is an idiot, nor do any of us deserve to be called one. My own take is that Stephen's writing was pretty retrained this week as his writing goes. I like your writing and ideas Stephen even when I don't agree with you at times, because you get us talking when we have been pretty stagnant, However, most of us US Americans are pretty tender and completely appalled about what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico and don't believe in the motto "Drill Baby, Drill!" one iota, so statements about what is happening there by non US Americans easily cut. But your questions are good ones. This human made catastrophe WILL affect the world, including Orkney--our US drilling licensing does need change, which is done though our political system no matter which candidate we voted for in the last election, and oil is washing up miles away and in other countries. And BP is a multi-national corporation now, not just a UK firm. Like Anne implored, I ask us to remember we are a family and a community. Let us be civil to one another. If we are saying something, we (all of us) should try not to succumb to instantly pushing that send button. Save it in the save file and wait for a few hours, then re-read what is written before sending. "Is it kind, is it true, is it necessary" (which is part of the teachings of Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Old and New Testaments) and the Koran, as well as in the tenants of most organized and unorganized religions, and even found in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder's "Little House" books ) is a good testing ground for what we say aloud and what we write to each other and the listserv. These are tender times. Personally, I have been in the hospital and now home and in recovery which will take many months. I am allowed 15 minutes of internet and pleasure reading a day, but I just had to write though it used up all my eye time and more. Let us be kind, Please. Love, Nan On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Nan Fowler <nanfowler@gmail.com> wrote: > Having grown up in small town northern Maine with its history of town > meeting and Roberts Rules of Order, I would ask that name calling of other > members of the list cease immediately. > > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM, <orcadia-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (stephen davie) >> 2. cars on ferries (stephen davie) >> 3. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) >> 4. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Janice Langland) >> 5. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) >> 6. Re: Ferry Tales... (Mike Ridlen) >> 7. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Mike Ridlen) >> 8. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Slater Anne) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:58:50 -0400 >> From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21441394479C3C9BEB383491DF0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> Sian: >> >> There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> dock." >> >> Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> micro country, seperated by adjoining >> territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> understand by living there. >> >> I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> Makes me want to ask what the >> list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> good. >> >> I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> >> Cheers: >> >> Stepehn >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> >> > Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> > visit >> > for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> > sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> > >> > Sian >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:28:59 -0400 >> From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [ORCADIA] cars on ferries >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP432B2614A749D1AEB5D57391DF0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> I guess the final point on this ferry service issue, is just how many >> out islanders heading to Kirkwall, actually take a car along. Then, >> how many of those cars are really needed? >> When the weather is bad, a car is a nice personal shelter. But >> loading a ferry with them has to be costly and somewhat restrictive >> as to volume/numbers on any given sailing. >> >> In our north, people have taken to little buggies which evolved from >> a sort of a cross between a golf cart and a AVT four wheel dirt bike. >> These things have room for two or four people, depending if they are >> the one or two seat model. They are enclosed, heated, and the seats >> afe comfortable with seat belts. They are available with a thrifty >> little diesel engine, and they will move along quite handily. These >> sorts of things didn't seem to be engaged much in Orkney, and I was >> wondering if that would change. To move people or a large grocery >> stock delivery, these things would be fine. They also have a little >> utility bed on the back, which is fine for equpment and heavier >> things. They cost a fraction of what a car does, and they serve the >> purpose better in some cases, especially in remote and rural areas >> where roads are not so good, or indeed non-esixtent. Farmers here >> love them for gdetting around their land, fixing fences, and checking >> livestock. >> >> I just don't understand what the qualifier is for deciding to take a >> car to Kirkwall to shop, if you live on another island. >> The world is backing off the oil consumption volumes. Looking at >> transportation values is a key point to using less fuel. >> >> Stephen >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:29:30 -0400 >> From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009601cb0e21$1f883180$5e989480$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first apologize for >> my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the >> discussions really have been about the area and various topics relating to >> it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue with the >> historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of >> preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. >> >> Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake even if >> he >> should know how to avoid doing so. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> >> I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. >> I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who feel the >> need for that constraint. >> >> - Rob Sutherland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:39:11 -0400 >> From: Janice Langland <callmejanice@aol.com> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <2C71D773-E13E-4278-A34D-1AD0A7BBEC32@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Jim, your apology is accepted with a warm heart. There are two lists >> on Orkney, and it's easy to mix them up. >> Janice >> >> >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jim Jackson wrote: >> >> > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first >> > apologize for >> > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the >> > discussions really have been about the area and various topics >> > relating to >> > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue >> > with the >> > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of >> > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. >> > >> > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake >> > even if he >> > should know how to avoid doing so. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > ] On >> > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM >> > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> > >> > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. >> > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who >> > feel the >> > need for that constraint. >> > >> > - Rob Sutherland >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:47:42 -0400 >> From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009701cb0e23$aa64ad40$ff2e07c0$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I meant to introduce myself in the previous post but haven't had enough >> coffee this morning to think straight. Of course this means it was too >> very >> late in the evening for my first message. >> >> I am Jim "Pops" Jackson and live in Smyrna, GA (USA). I have discovered >> that a major portion of my ancestry is English, Scots and Irish with most >> of >> it being English thanks to my mother's heritage. As such I have developed >> a >> keen interest in Rootsweb lists relating to the British Isles, hoping to >> learn more about the areas my ancestors called home. I have been active >> in >> Rootsweb for at least 10 years. It was still a rather young enterprise, >> operated by its developer/owners. At that time personal financial >> donations >> were accepted to help fund the project. >> >> The "Pops" comes from the name our first grandchild gave me. It has >> spilled >> over to other areas of my life since then. That granddaughter has >> recently >> blessed us with a great-grandson. With my wife's mother still living we >> can >> actually have five generations together at one time. I still have trouble >> conceiving of this since I am only 67 years "young" myself. My wife and I >> could actually live to see a great-great-grandchild. This is amazing to >> me >> since it is my paternal great-great-grandfather who has given me the most >> trouble in my genealogical pursuits. >> >> This is probably more information than you were asking for but then, you >> did >> ask. :) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of KJEMEM@aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:44 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> >> Also understood it to be about Orkney in general, and genealogy to be >> discussed separately. >> >> And, we've had a custom of new people introducing themselves Who are >> you??? >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:12:09 -0500 >> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <77DB2B0B0B044F0EBCD811BD75FB2E11@Laptop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Stephen's an idiot. I am likewise fed up with his perpetual, unfounded >> bashing of the United States. He's like the Unabomber, living in a small >> cabin in the woods, tossing grenades over the border from time to time to >> satisfy some grudge he has against an entire country. Granted an ounce of >> prevention is worth a pound of cure. That was the problem in the Gulf. >> Stephen, why don't you direct that comment toward British Petroleum first, >> George Bush second, and then to Mr. Obama who has had his hands full with >> other problems created by the republicans and their disdain for regulation >> and for government in general. >> >> I congratulate the Canadians on their regulations as I understand they >> require oil companies to drill a second well at the time they drill the >> first. We are having to wait months for that, and it appears to be our >> only >> real hope in stopping this current problem. When I say we, I mostly mean >> BP. >> The US government is not in the business of drilling for oil or stopping >> leaks. >> >> As for your freedom, Stephen, you can thank the US for that. Your little >> cabin in the woods would belong to someone else if Canada had to depend on >> its own military to defend the country. Also, you can thank us for >> subsidizing your prescription drug prices as we have to pay the >> manufacturers more for the same drugs to make up for the discounts your >> government gets on them. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:27 PM >> Subject: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> >> >> An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as >> > Mr. Obama is discovering. >> > >> > Nite all.....Stephen >> > >> > I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my >> > own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I >> > believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. >> > This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." >> > - July 1, 1960. From the Canadian Bill of Rights. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:15:56 -0500 >> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <7FEBA2B32C944A0D97AD32E89F02D137@Laptop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to read >> up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you are >> so independent on your island there from the US. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> >> >> > Sian: >> > >> > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> > dock." >> > >> > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> > micro country, seperated by adjoining >> > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> > understand by living there. >> > >> > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> > Makes me want to ask what the >> > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> > good. >> > >> > I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> > >> > Cheers: >> > >> > Stepehn >> > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> > >> >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> >> visit >> >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> >> >> >> Sian >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:53:16 -0400 >> From: Slater Anne <slater.anne@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <AANLkTim38W3Y0BZu9FSKd2yk0_rlDk4BC6Aq5eHLWTNR@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way >> you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive >> step forward. >> Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am >> not >> interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in >> general. >> >> Anne Slater >> "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as >> well >> as to face to face communication. >> *Thich Nhat Hanh >> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen <mikeridlen@earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to >> read >> > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you >> are >> > so independent on your island there from the US. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM >> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> > >> > >> > > Sian: >> > > >> > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> > > dock." >> > > >> > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> > > micro country, seperated by adjoining >> > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> > > understand by living there. >> > > >> > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> > > Makes me want to ask what the >> > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> > > good. >> > > >> > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> > > >> > > Cheers: >> > > >> > > Stepehn >> > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> > > >> > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> > >> visit >> > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> > >> >> > >> Sian >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of ORCADIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 >> ************************************** >> > > > > -- > Nan Fowler > Adult Education Program > Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy > River's Crossing, 4th Floor > 850 College Station Road > University of Georgia > Athens, GA USA 30602 > -- Nan Fowler Adult Education Program Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy River's Crossing, 4th Floor 850 College Station Road University of Georgia Athens, GA USA 30602