er....I mean Norse stuff.....no, I think I'll stick with Viking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >I read a book by Bryan Sykes. He said that "viking" meant a little creek >bay. Viking ships could come into these bays undetected as opposed to >ordinary ships that came into the larger bays. The people that came to be >known as Vikings of course slipped into these more hidden bays in order to >surprise the people and plunder and pillage and do the usual Viking stuff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Royce Perry" <perryroyce@hotmail.com> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes > > >> LOL...Yeah Norman...I know. But we all have our "fingernails on a >> blackboard" subjects. That's one of mine. The word appears to be late >> medieval,,,well past the days of the Norse, or Northmen raids. Probably >> means to "go forth"... And there is NOT any evidence of horns on anyone's >> helmets!!! But yes, I know I am swimming upstream. Wagner and Hollywood >> have >> done their work only too well! >> And I get twitchy when people start talking about "the Celts" this and >> "the >> Celts" that,, as if they were all one people. No such thing as "the >> Celts"... >> <puts soap box back under table.....goes back to sleep> <G> >> R >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Norman Tulloch >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:03 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >> >> Royce Perry wrote: >>> GGrrrrrr....Norse!!!! Viking is not a real word...and if it was it was a >> verb...not a noun!!! Down With Viking!!! Up with Norse!!! >>> >>> R the Picky >> >> Sorry, Royce, but I'd have to describe you as "R the Unrealistic", since >> Viking has been widely used as a noun (and an adjective too, for that >> matter) for a long time. I'll concede, though, that I don't know when >> the word was first used as a noun. >> >> Norman T. >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

<grin>...That's fine. It's just me against the rest of the world anyway...about even odds that. On a serious note, some scholars question that origin of the word. The word Viking doesn't come into use until long After the Norse expansion period. So trying to attach a Scandinavian origin to a Western European word is rather of a stretch. If it turned up in the Sagas or in Scandinavian or European documents or literature contemporaneous to the events it could be a possible origin, but highly unlikely two hundred years after the fact. Remember, the time frame we are talking about only lasted from the mid 800's until the late 900s early 1000s. Little more than 150 years. R -----Original Message----- From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ridlen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:26 PM To: orcadia@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORCADIA] Fw: Orkney Viking Hordes er....I mean Norse stuff.....no, I think I'll stick with Viking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >I read a book by Bryan Sykes. He said that "viking" meant a little creek >bay. Viking ships could come into these bays undetected as opposed to >ordinary ships that came into the larger bays. The people that came to be >known as Vikings of course slipped into these more hidden bays in order to >surprise the people and plunder and pillage and do the usual Viking stuff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Royce Perry" <perryroyce@hotmail.com> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes > > >> LOL...Yeah Norman...I know. But we all have our "fingernails on a >> blackboard" subjects. That's one of mine. The word appears to be late >> medieval,,,well past the days of the Norse, or Northmen raids. Probably >> means to "go forth"... And there is NOT any evidence of horns on anyone's >> helmets!!! But yes, I know I am swimming upstream. Wagner and Hollywood >> have >> done their work only too well! >> And I get twitchy when people start talking about "the Celts" this and >> "the >> Celts" that,, as if they were all one people. No such thing as "the >> Celts"... >> <puts soap box back under table.....goes back to sleep> <G> >> R >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Norman Tulloch >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:03 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >> >> Royce Perry wrote: >>> GGrrrrrr....Norse!!!! Viking is not a real word...and if it was it was a >> verb...not a noun!!! Down With Viking!!! Up with Norse!!! >>> >>> R the Picky >> >> Sorry, Royce, but I'd have to describe you as "R the Unrealistic", since >> Viking has been widely used as a noun (and an adjective too, for that >> matter) for a long time. I'll concede, though, that I don't know when >> the word was first used as a noun. >> >> Norman T. >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > _______________________________________ Orcadia Group Photo Album http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, In the Orkneyinga Saga those Norse folks are described as spending their summers "going viking," a verb. However, I have no idea if that is a word from the period or one applied in later translations. And speaking of horns on helmets and Wagner, I am reminded of one of my favorite cartoons. The scene is the dressing room of a Wagnerian soprano at the opera house. She is warming her iron bra in front of a heater before putting it on. Tuck On Jul 24, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Royce Perry wrote: > <grin>...That's fine. It's just me against the rest of the world > anyway...about even odds that. > On a serious note, some scholars question that origin of the word. > The word > Viking doesn't come into use until long After the Norse expansion > period. So > trying to attach a Scandinavian origin to a Western European word is > rather > of a stretch. If it turned up in the Sagas or in Scandinavian or > European > documents or literature contemporaneous to the events it could be a > possible > origin, but highly unlikely two hundred years after the fact. > Remember, the > time frame we are talking about only lasted from the mid 800's until > the > late 900s early 1000s. Little more than 150 years. > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] On > Behalf Of Mike Ridlen > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:26 PM > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ORCADIA] Fw: Orkney Viking Hordes > > er....I mean Norse stuff.....no, I think I'll stick with Viking. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes > > >> I read a book by Bryan Sykes. He said that "viking" meant a little >> creek >> bay. Viking ships could come into these bays undetected as opposed >> to >> ordinary ships that came into the larger bays. The people that >> came to be >> known as Vikings of course slipped into these more hidden bays in >> order to >> surprise the people and plunder and pillage and do the usual Viking >> stuff. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Royce Perry" <perryroyce@hotmail.com> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >> >> >>> LOL...Yeah Norman...I know. But we all have our "fingernails on a >>> blackboard" subjects. That's one of mine. The word appears to be >>> late >>> medieval,,,well past the days of the Norse, or Northmen raids. >>> Probably >>> means to "go forth"... And there is NOT any evidence of horns on >>> anyone's >>> helmets!!! But yes, I know I am swimming upstream. Wagner and >>> Hollywood >>> have >>> done their work only too well! >>> And I get twitchy when people start talking about "the Celts" this >>> and >>> "the >>> Celts" that,, as if they were all one people. No such thing as "the >>> Celts"... >>> <puts soap box back under table.....goes back to sleep> <G> >>> R >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> ] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Norman Tulloch >>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:03 PM >>> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney Viking Hordes >>> >>> Royce Perry wrote: >>>> GGrrrrrr....Norse!!!! Viking is not a real word...and if it was >>>> it was a >>> verb...not a noun!!! Down With Viking!!! Up with Norse!!! >>>> >>>> R the Picky >>> >>> Sorry, Royce, but I'd have to describe you as "R the Unrealistic", >>> since >>> Viking has been widely used as a noun (and an adjective too, for >>> that >>> matter) for a long time. I'll concede, though, that I don't know >>> when >>> the word was first used as a noun. >>> >>> Norman T. >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message