I will to second this one. Alexander Graham Bell is a Great Grand Uncle of mine. He was most definitely living in the US when he invented the telephone. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:34 PM To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ORCADIA] Inventions > Stephen, please....the telephone? Alexander Graham Bell lived in Canada > for less than two years after he lived in Scotland. Americans are > generous in giving credit to Canada for our comedians, but Bell came to > Boston from Canada and lived in the US for almost four years when he > invented the telephone. He patented it in the US. It's a US invention. > You sound like the French there in claiming American inventions. > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hiya.... Well, I did it again. Just am inclined every six months or so to stir up the pot with this old and dying site, to see if folkes are still up to debating, jousting, and sharing things Orcadian. So how are ya Peg? We sure get a lot of news every day from and about Obama. I wonder if he gets enough sleep. After the bloodbath with Hillary, and the final election, he is now in a fight which involves American jobs and the virtual future of so many people. What a mess to sort out, with the AIG and Enron mentality dominating the larger companies still. We in Canada think that if GM goes broke, that in fact, Chrysler and Ford will thrive and survive. It is sort of like a stock-market driven scale down in vehicle production, necessary only because so many cars are imported from Japan, Korea, and Europe. But certainly the automobile has been the centerpiece of the post war economy. Ae you going back to Orkney this sumer? that house at Odin that Tuck talks about, can't be more than a few hundred yards from where we had the wee visit at the Stones Hotel. Yeah, well we up here have two provinces maintaining the Bell houses, the original farm near Brampton, and the one in Nova Scotia. he became an American citizen after he did his phone thing, but as he conjured the thing up here, lived here at both ends of his life, and chose to die here, he is considered to be one of us. His name is always on the list of Canuk achievements, but with a wee sidenote to acknowledge his teaching in the US and his ultimate citizenship there. Hope you and yhour cat are well, as well as Beltbuckle Tom and your kiddies. Cheers....Kol (Stephen) On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Margaret Bainton wrote: > I thought AGB's home was in Nova Scotia. (Yes, I know NS is in > Canada. ) Stephen, you're saying that Brantford or Baddeck is in > Ontario. > Peggy > Teacher of the Deaf and member of the AGB Association for the Deaf > and Hard of Hearing > > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Tuck...have you some pics of odin? Stephen On Mar 29, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Tuck Langland wrote: > Stephen et al, > > A further word about Odin. This is a quite remarkable house. There is > a drive leading to the road, a drive about 50 yards long. It opens > onto the road running between the Lochs of Harray and Stenness, the > one that runs alongside the Ring of Brogar (or Brodgar). > > At the end of this drive, on the opposite side of the road, is the > Watch Stone, about a 14 foot tall neolithic megalith. It apparently > lines up somehow with Maes Howe and the Unstan Tomb across the water. > In the back garden of the house is Barnhouse Village, an excavated and > restored neolithic settlement. In the next field are the Standing > Stones, with Maes Howe not far behind them. And down the road a > quarter mile is Brodgar. (or Brogdar - I can't seem to find unanimity > on the spelling.) My feeling is that this spot on which the house is > built was the spiritual and probably political center of prehistoric > Orkney. If the land were empty and someone wanted to build there today > there is no way in hell permission wold be given. > > Further, the house is built from timbers, stairs, cabinets etc. of the > old Mauritania. It has two en-suite double bedrooms, plus, upstairs, > two single bed rooms, both en-suite, and one further bath downstairs > just for fun. And out back, next to the loch, is a bird hide. Arctic > terns nest on a tiny point just outside the sitting room windows, > swans grace the Loch, and we counted some 25 or so species of birds > seen from house windows. And it is walking distance to the Standing > Stones Hotel, (you can see it from the front porch) which means a nice > meal out with no worries of driving afterwards. > > Once, years before, we rented Braeside, near Twatt, next to Little > Canada, overlooking Boardhouse Loch. This was less convenient since > there was only one multi-purpose bath room, and we had about 8 people > there, so there was, indeed, dancing in the streets, but it had a > Rayburn, plus a regular cooker, and a nice fire in the sitting room. > > Stephen, you raise a very good point when speaking of we, as > outsiders, taking a perfectly good house at bargain prices from > perhaps a local couple who could well use it, putting it to better use > than an occasional holiday cottage. Better, I feel, is renting, > putting money into the Orkney economy, while disturbing it less. And > of course the other advantages play as well, such as not having to > worry about deterioration, etc., and being money way way ahead in the > short and long term. > > The only thing that makes me want to own a place is pure romance - > this is my piece of Orkney. But what with taxes, and the many > bureaucratic hoops one must jump through, it seems more and more out > of the question. > > However, if any here are planning a trip and planning to rent a house > sleeping several, a little communication might get others to join up, > saving money for each, and ensuring a good time for all. Travel wise, > we are sailing on the QM2 in late July to England and will spend time > there, culminating in our joining a choral workshop to sing at > Worcester, Gloucester, and Great Malvern. The following summer, > however (2010), might be a time to consider a few weeks in Orkney. > > > Tuck > >> Interesting Tuck. Kewl place to stay you chose. good on ya! Some of >> the land near the stones was old Isbister property. I have a Davie/ >> Isbister relative who's old stone house overlooks that area and >> indeed it is beautiful near there and must have been for you, a >> great place to stay. Not too far from the hotel or to town for that >> matter, but still very natural and rural. I had dinner one night >> there with a lovely red headed lady from the USA in the stones hotel. >> Twas funny. The new english owners, were having pain because of a >> handful of largely drunk young men out doing the warmup for the >> blackening thing. Boy, the young proprietor's wife was somewhat >> stressed, yet the wee celebrants were not aggressive or threatening >> towards anyone. Just drunk. I guessed that they were at the Standing >> Stones hotel, standing stoned and well, so it all made perfect sense >> to me. >> >> >> The place I found and loved, belonged to an aging fellow who knew one >> of my last relatives who lived there. He lived alongside some new >> wave baronial wannabe from London who made his last years >> uncomfortable to miserable some days, so rather than sell out to the >> guy, he simply canvassed the idea of selling to us. My countless >> cousins here and in the USA were not organized to make the move, and >> it became clear that the legal control affecting renovations with >> additions, is something that bathes in bureaucracy like an otter >> bathes in water. Just to develop a plan and budget requires a lot of >> time and gabbing with officials. MOre hurdles than a steeplechase >> event. While the protectionism is to be applauded, there still seems >> some obvious mysteries involving the new houses there to some extent, >> and the location of some of them. Frankly, the old stone croft >> dwellings have a lot of appeal to me, whereas some of the new >> rectangular box, sheeting and parging look houses without the old >> slate roof, equates to some of the vinyl and aluminum hasty-house >> tragedies in this country. After all that "planning" some of the >> results surly sway far from the integrity of the traditional. >> >> We had some stone masons in the family over there, which I thought >> was interesting or unique, until I figured out that due to the time >> to build with stone, before the day of the electric socket, power >> mixers and hydraulics, masonry was a time consuming tedious pursuit >> which involved the only readily available building material. Stone. I >> visited a thing called Davie's Brig near Finstown, with a reporter >> from the paper there. Twas a fine example of what patience and a >> trowel with a very strong back can achieve. I do not know how old >> that bridge is, but I suppose it is very elderly for sure. Yet it is >> sound, like so much of the old stonework. (ie St. Magnus Cathedral) >> >> In our case, the Hudson's Bay Company stripped our young men from the >> Isles there, from three and four successive generations. Thus our >> name has been stricken from the phone book there. Relatives who have >> visited there in the fifties through nineties, all sorta say..."nice" >> and return with a picture and a bottle of scotch or some jewelry. >> However in the current generation, our own wing of the family is over >> 150 strong, and there is a keen interest to find a place there to >> camp. But the approach has changed, which new approach is supported >> by this global meltdown. >> >> So this time around, tis better to line up the partners first, and >> when the funds are in the bag, then go shopping. I thing that the >> next decade will give opportunity anew to people wanting to invest in >> property virtually anywhere in the world. A self styled syndicated >> little "time share" operation is one way. The other is to buy and >> fund and staff a b and b for members only, who would own a place >> which would be available at an amazing rate for owners, but at >> regular rates for others when the family was absent. It would be good >> employment for a couple, properly designed. >> >> An old and very wise business man once told a friend of mine, that >> insofar as real estate is concerned, "ownership equals >> responsibility." We found that even with properties in south Florida, >> and once in Costa Rica, without a solid management plan, the bloom is >> soon to fall off the rose, and your practical suggestion Tuck, of >> renting, falls into play for all the right reasons. At this time, >> from California to Panama, properties are offered at steadily >> reducing prices, and to buy without knowing better what the economy >> in the world will do, is to walk on thin spring ice. When I asked a >> friend of mine wintering in Mexico if he would buy near Progreso/ >> Merida where he was enjoying himself this winter, the virtually >> accomplished old developer said..."why buy, there is no up?" He paid >> fifty dollars a day for four thousand square feet of luxury on the >> beach, with two boats, and a house full of hot and cold running >> wonderful mexican staff to cook, adjust the pool settings, and to >> take him fishing. A hurricane in the off season will not be his >> responsibility or concern. >> >> A falling...or plunging market is a sad thing indeed. Strips away the >> positive feelings of younger people, and depresses the older ones. >> But in the case of Orkney it may well give a few local kids a chance >> to buy a home there, at prices not affected by the "invasion" of >> outside money. Where I live here, prices are as sure to drop, as are >> Bill Clinton's britches. So everyone is just scaling down for the >> long haul back. Underline long. >> >> We now think that maybe buy the land and sit, and think and plan the >> structure, and then build an old new orkney place from scratch, not >> snatching away an existing home from some young Orcadian couple, but >> building additional tax revenue, and supplying some jobs in the >> process. The green construction techniques are appealing, right down >> to the mini windmills, infloor heat, and dc lighting and solar >> panels. So that is where it ended. Wye or Finstown...but near the >> water, with enough land for a highland cow or two, and some chickens >> and maybe an alpaca. In truth, a person would be better to build a >> day care facility with accommodation and leave something there to be >> utilized in absence, in a way that benefits the place. Or an indoor >> pool and spa with a unit or two. But as was suggested by our friend >> from Lethbridge, we's have to bust out of the life of generalities to >> do something that astute. >> >> Tuck, my memory flashes back to somebody that was indeed an architect >> on this "chat and spat" expat site. Indeed I see you are a sculptor. >> Wow. I am visiting a sculptor in Santiago de Cuba the end of next >> month. Did you see the Haida pole that is installed in Orkney? >> >> Take care on this rainy windy spring "stay indoors" day. >> >> Stephen (Kol) Davie >> On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: >> >>> Stephen, Robert, et al, >>> >>> My wife and I once spotted a wonderful little stone house with stone >>> flag roof, right down near Scapa flow in Orphir, and thought it >>> would >>> make a grand place to own, but on a later trip we went to look at it >>> and it was gone, torn down and replaced with a huge house being >>> built >>> by a guy who owns a disco or something in Kirkwall. Sad, but it >>> would >>> have taken so long and so much money and so much time spent there to >>> make it habitable it was totally impractical for someone like me, >>> with >>> a career here, to be away that much and spend that much. But we did >>> enjoy "planning" it in our heads, where the AGA would go, things >>> like >>> that. >>> >>> However, a house all ready to move into, paid for by about 8 people >>> would be a different story. But then all 8 would be fighting for >>> prime >>> time in it, like the St. Magnus festival and so on, and no one would >>> want it in February, so it would stand idle a lot. >>> >>> In the end, simply renting a self catering place is cheaper and >>> easier, and then you don't feel pressured to go there every trip. We >>> have rented Odin, the house with the red roof just beside the >>> Stones >>> of Stenness, three times now, and find it perfect. It overlooks the >>> Loch, which is just a few feet from the front room, it has a >>> beautiful >>> front glassed in porch, a great living room with a fire, a wonderful >>> kitchen complete with all mod cons, including a fan oven, plenty of >>> cooking gear, nice wine glasses and so on, and sleeps 6, with 5 >>> bathrooms for the six, so no one need stand dancing in the hall of a >>> morning. At somewhere around 500 pounds a week you are a whole >>> lot of >>> money ahead in the long run - and the short one for that matter. >>> >>> But if someone comes up with a good bargain and a list of folks who >>> want in, spread the word and there may just be interest anyway. >>> >>> >>> Tuck, >>> >>> Sculptor, >>> retired professor of Sculpture Indiana University South Bend. >>> South Bend, Indiana >>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: >>> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >> request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hummm...interesting stuff Steve...but we are straying well off topic here. It's a bit of a streatch to tie USA politics and Canadian achevements to things Orkney...give you credit for trying...but the thread is ever so thin. How abouts we try to stay a tad closer to the main topic... R the Cruel > From: stephen.davie@sympatico.ca > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:02:45 -0400 > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] AGBell > > Hiya.... > > Well, I did it again. Just am inclined every six months or so to stir > up the pot with this old and dying site, to see if folkes are still > up to debating, jousting, and sharing things Orcadian. > > So how are ya Peg? We sure get a lot of news every day from and about > Obama. I wonder if he gets enough sleep. After the bloodbath with > Hillary, and the final election, he is now in a fight which involves > American jobs and the virtual future of so many people. What a mess > to sort out, with the AIG and Enron mentality dominating the larger > companies still. We in Canada think that if GM goes broke, that in > fact, Chrysler and Ford will thrive and survive. It is sort of like a > stock-market driven scale down in vehicle production, necessary only > because so many cars are imported from Japan, Korea, and Europe. But > certainly the automobile has been the centerpiece of the post war > economy. > > Ae you going back to Orkney this sumer? that house at Odin that Tuck > talks about, can't be more than a few hundred yards from where we > had the wee visit at the Stones Hotel. > > Yeah, well we up here have two provinces maintaining the Bell houses, > the original farm near Brampton, and the one in Nova Scotia. he > became an American citizen after he did his phone thing, but as he > conjured the thing up here, lived here at both ends of his life, and > chose to die here, he is considered to be one of us. His name is > always on the list of Canuk achievements, but with a wee sidenote to > acknowledge his teaching in the US and his ultimate citizenship there. > > Hope you and yhour cat are well, as well as Beltbuckle Tom and your > kiddies. > > Cheers....Kol (Stephen) > On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Margaret Bainton wrote: > > > I thought AGB's home was in Nova Scotia. (Yes, I know NS is in > > Canada. ) Stephen, you're saying that Brantford or Baddeck is in > > Ontario. > > Peggy > > Teacher of the Deaf and member of the AGB Association for the Deaf > > and Hard of Hearing > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Orcadia Group Photo Album > > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stephen et al, A further word about Odin. This is a quite remarkable house. There is a drive leading to the road, a drive about 50 yards long. It opens onto the road running between the Lochs of Harray and Stenness, the one that runs alongside the Ring of Brogar (or Brodgar). At the end of this drive, on the opposite side of the road, is the Watch Stone, about a 14 foot tall neolithic megalith. It apparently lines up somehow with Maes Howe and the Unstan Tomb across the water. In the back garden of the house is Barnhouse Village, an excavated and restored neolithic settlement. In the next field are the Standing Stones, with Maes Howe not far behind them. And down the road a quarter mile is Brodgar. (or Brogdar - I can't seem to find unanimity on the spelling.) My feeling is that this spot on which the house is built was the spiritual and probably political center of prehistoric Orkney. If the land were empty and someone wanted to build there today there is no way in hell permission wold be given. Further, the house is built from timbers, stairs, cabinets etc. of the old Mauritania. It has two en-suite double bedrooms, plus, upstairs, two single bed rooms, both en-suite, and one further bath downstairs just for fun. And out back, next to the loch, is a bird hide. Arctic terns nest on a tiny point just outside the sitting room windows, swans grace the Loch, and we counted some 25 or so species of birds seen from house windows. And it is walking distance to the Standing Stones Hotel, (you can see it from the front porch) which means a nice meal out with no worries of driving afterwards. Once, years before, we rented Braeside, near Twatt, next to Little Canada, overlooking Boardhouse Loch. This was less convenient since there was only one multi-purpose bath room, and we had about 8 people there, so there was, indeed, dancing in the streets, but it had a Rayburn, plus a regular cooker, and a nice fire in the sitting room. Stephen, you raise a very good point when speaking of we, as outsiders, taking a perfectly good house at bargain prices from perhaps a local couple who could well use it, putting it to better use than an occasional holiday cottage. Better, I feel, is renting, putting money into the Orkney economy, while disturbing it less. And of course the other advantages play as well, such as not having to worry about deterioration, etc., and being money way way ahead in the short and long term. The only thing that makes me want to own a place is pure romance - this is my piece of Orkney. But what with taxes, and the many bureaucratic hoops one must jump through, it seems more and more out of the question. However, if any here are planning a trip and planning to rent a house sleeping several, a little communication might get others to join up, saving money for each, and ensuring a good time for all. Travel wise, we are sailing on the QM2 in late July to England and will spend time there, culminating in our joining a choral workshop to sing at Worcester, Gloucester, and Great Malvern. The following summer, however (2010), might be a time to consider a few weeks in Orkney. Tuck > Interesting Tuck. Kewl place to stay you chose. good on ya! Some of > the land near the stones was old Isbister property. I have a Davie/ > Isbister relative who's old stone house overlooks that area and > indeed it is beautiful near there and must have been for you, a > great place to stay. Not too far from the hotel or to town for that > matter, but still very natural and rural. I had dinner one night > there with a lovely red headed lady from the USA in the stones hotel. > Twas funny. The new english owners, were having pain because of a > handful of largely drunk young men out doing the warmup for the > blackening thing. Boy, the young proprietor's wife was somewhat > stressed, yet the wee celebrants were not aggressive or threatening > towards anyone. Just drunk. I guessed that they were at the Standing > Stones hotel, standing stoned and well, so it all made perfect sense > to me. > > > The place I found and loved, belonged to an aging fellow who knew one > of my last relatives who lived there. He lived alongside some new > wave baronial wannabe from London who made his last years > uncomfortable to miserable some days, so rather than sell out to the > guy, he simply canvassed the idea of selling to us. My countless > cousins here and in the USA were not organized to make the move, and > it became clear that the legal control affecting renovations with > additions, is something that bathes in bureaucracy like an otter > bathes in water. Just to develop a plan and budget requires a lot of > time and gabbing with officials. MOre hurdles than a steeplechase > event. While the protectionism is to be applauded, there still seems > some obvious mysteries involving the new houses there to some extent, > and the location of some of them. Frankly, the old stone croft > dwellings have a lot of appeal to me, whereas some of the new > rectangular box, sheeting and parging look houses without the old > slate roof, equates to some of the vinyl and aluminum hasty-house > tragedies in this country. After all that "planning" some of the > results surly sway far from the integrity of the traditional. > > We had some stone masons in the family over there, which I thought > was interesting or unique, until I figured out that due to the time > to build with stone, before the day of the electric socket, power > mixers and hydraulics, masonry was a time consuming tedious pursuit > which involved the only readily available building material. Stone. I > visited a thing called Davie's Brig near Finstown, with a reporter > from the paper there. Twas a fine example of what patience and a > trowel with a very strong back can achieve. I do not know how old > that bridge is, but I suppose it is very elderly for sure. Yet it is > sound, like so much of the old stonework. (ie St. Magnus Cathedral) > > In our case, the Hudson's Bay Company stripped our young men from the > Isles there, from three and four successive generations. Thus our > name has been stricken from the phone book there. Relatives who have > visited there in the fifties through nineties, all sorta say..."nice" > and return with a picture and a bottle of scotch or some jewelry. > However in the current generation, our own wing of the family is over > 150 strong, and there is a keen interest to find a place there to > camp. But the approach has changed, which new approach is supported > by this global meltdown. > > So this time around, tis better to line up the partners first, and > when the funds are in the bag, then go shopping. I thing that the > next decade will give opportunity anew to people wanting to invest in > property virtually anywhere in the world. A self styled syndicated > little "time share" operation is one way. The other is to buy and > fund and staff a b and b for members only, who would own a place > which would be available at an amazing rate for owners, but at > regular rates for others when the family was absent. It would be good > employment for a couple, properly designed. > > An old and very wise business man once told a friend of mine, that > insofar as real estate is concerned, "ownership equals > responsibility." We found that even with properties in south Florida, > and once in Costa Rica, without a solid management plan, the bloom is > soon to fall off the rose, and your practical suggestion Tuck, of > renting, falls into play for all the right reasons. At this time, > from California to Panama, properties are offered at steadily > reducing prices, and to buy without knowing better what the economy > in the world will do, is to walk on thin spring ice. When I asked a > friend of mine wintering in Mexico if he would buy near Progreso/ > Merida where he was enjoying himself this winter, the virtually > accomplished old developer said..."why buy, there is no up?" He paid > fifty dollars a day for four thousand square feet of luxury on the > beach, with two boats, and a house full of hot and cold running > wonderful mexican staff to cook, adjust the pool settings, and to > take him fishing. A hurricane in the off season will not be his > responsibility or concern. > > A falling...or plunging market is a sad thing indeed. Strips away the > positive feelings of younger people, and depresses the older ones. > But in the case of Orkney it may well give a few local kids a chance > to buy a home there, at prices not affected by the "invasion" of > outside money. Where I live here, prices are as sure to drop, as are > Bill Clinton's britches. So everyone is just scaling down for the > long haul back. Underline long. > > We now think that maybe buy the land and sit, and think and plan the > structure, and then build an old new orkney place from scratch, not > snatching away an existing home from some young Orcadian couple, but > building additional tax revenue, and supplying some jobs in the > process. The green construction techniques are appealing, right down > to the mini windmills, infloor heat, and dc lighting and solar > panels. So that is where it ended. Wye or Finstown...but near the > water, with enough land for a highland cow or two, and some chickens > and maybe an alpaca. In truth, a person would be better to build a > day care facility with accommodation and leave something there to be > utilized in absence, in a way that benefits the place. Or an indoor > pool and spa with a unit or two. But as was suggested by our friend > from Lethbridge, we's have to bust out of the life of generalities to > do something that astute. > > Tuck, my memory flashes back to somebody that was indeed an architect > on this "chat and spat" expat site. Indeed I see you are a sculptor. > Wow. I am visiting a sculptor in Santiago de Cuba the end of next > month. Did you see the Haida pole that is installed in Orkney? > > Take care on this rainy windy spring "stay indoors" day. > > Stephen (Kol) Davie > On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: > >> Stephen, Robert, et al, >> >> My wife and I once spotted a wonderful little stone house with stone >> flag roof, right down near Scapa flow in Orphir, and thought it would >> make a grand place to own, but on a later trip we went to look at it >> and it was gone, torn down and replaced with a huge house being built >> by a guy who owns a disco or something in Kirkwall. Sad, but it would >> have taken so long and so much money and so much time spent there to >> make it habitable it was totally impractical for someone like me, >> with >> a career here, to be away that much and spend that much. But we did >> enjoy "planning" it in our heads, where the AGA would go, things like >> that. >> >> However, a house all ready to move into, paid for by about 8 people >> would be a different story. But then all 8 would be fighting for >> prime >> time in it, like the St. Magnus festival and so on, and no one would >> want it in February, so it would stand idle a lot. >> >> In the end, simply renting a self catering place is cheaper and >> easier, and then you don't feel pressured to go there every trip. We >> have rented Odin, the house with the red roof just beside the Stones >> of Stenness, three times now, and find it perfect. It overlooks the >> Loch, which is just a few feet from the front room, it has a >> beautiful >> front glassed in porch, a great living room with a fire, a wonderful >> kitchen complete with all mod cons, including a fan oven, plenty of >> cooking gear, nice wine glasses and so on, and sleeps 6, with 5 >> bathrooms for the six, so no one need stand dancing in the hall of a >> morning. At somewhere around 500 pounds a week you are a whole lot of >> money ahead in the long run - and the short one for that matter. >> >> But if someone comes up with a good bargain and a list of folks who >> want in, spread the word and there may just be interest anyway. >> >> >> Tuck, >> >> Sculptor, >> retired professor of Sculpture Indiana University South Bend. >> South Bend, Indiana >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: >> > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

All, The story I heard is that the first words Bell spoke into his new invention were to his long time friend and assistant, Watson. And those words were, "Watson, come here. I need you." And Watson's eye filled with tears. My other question is this: If Alexander Graham Bell had been named, instead, Alexander Graham Buzzer, would phones still ring? Just fooling around. Tuck On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Margaret Bainton wrote: > I thought AGB's home was in Nova Scotia. (Yes, I know NS is in > Canada. ) Stephen, you're saying that Brantford or Baddeck is in > Ontario. > Peggy > Teacher of the Deaf and member of the AGB Association for the Deaf > and Hard of Hearing > > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

He lived and died in Canada...Brantford and Beddeck. Lots of Canadians live in the USA, and lots of Americans live here. But they are normally interred where their heart and heritage home is. Here is what is written..... t was in Brantford that Bell's greatest idea was born. While relaxing atop the bluff he referred to as "his dreaming place," Bell allowed himself to brainstorm about a "harmonic telegraph" device he was working on. Alexander figured that if he could make an electric current undulate the same way air does when sound is produced, he could definitely transmit speech telegraphically. This daydream became the basis for the invention of the telephone. The family immigrated to Brantford Ontario to become Canadians, according to the history books. On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Ginger Cutt wrote: > I will to second this one. Alexander Graham Bell is a Great Grand > Uncle of > mine. He was most definitely living in the US when he invented the > telephone. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:34 PM > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ORCADIA] Inventions > >> Stephen, please....the telephone? Alexander Graham Bell lived in >> Canada >> for less than two years after he lived in Scotland. Americans are >> generous in giving credit to Canada for our comedians, but Bell >> came to >> Boston from Canada and lived in the US for almost four years when he >> invented the telephone. He patented it in the US. It's a US >> invention. >> You sound like the French there in claiming American inventions. >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, the feller never was inspired to phone anyone til he got way over here. Thus the Canadian by choice, was indeed Canadian, like Johnny MacDonald and others. How indeed could Amreicans lay claim to a man who left scotland with his family, for the vast millions of acres of opportunity in this big open country. Mindya, as to his Dad's voluntary leaving behind Scotland, to become an inspired Canadian, ya don't need my prejudiced advice on that. Read what he himself had to say..... Alexander Graham Bell - Quote "Leave the beaten track occasionally and dive into the woods. Every time you do so you will be certain to find something that you have never seen before. Follow it up, explore all around it, and before you know it, you will have something worth thinking about to occupy your mind. All really big discoveries are the results of thought." Now there's a man who embodies the soul of typical Orcadian men who came to this country to spread their wings and before you knew it, as Al says above-noted...before ya knew it in this great free land...ya had something worth thinking about. As you know, the Bell homestead is in Brantford Ontario, restored to it's 1870 splendour with 90% of the possessions of the day still on display last I heard. Of course he later moved to Baddeck where he died. ( He taught in the USA, as many Canadians do like our Liberal Party leader, Ignatieff, who taught at Harvard. It was recently revealed by Barak Obama that he read Ignatieff while studying there.) The point is, that while many of expatriated families here still hold dear to our Orkney roots, as with Alexander Bell, once ya leave Scotland, you become of another place. But Orkney and Scotland are always in the heart. Nobody disputes that he was conceived and born proud in Scotland, but neither do they deny that it was a Canadian who invented the phone. We continue to do so, and a lad raised near here in fact holds many of the patents on the blackberry. Most Americans, for example, think that basketball too was somehow an American invention. In fact, based on the population, the USA does not have a great percentage of inventors. Americans are however historically adept at scooping the assets of abutting nations, whether it is all of California, or just some piece of technology. Many times the people who invented the blackberry phone, have been sued by American companies laying claim to some limp patent, in each case, being laughed out of the courtroom. I am not aware that our French brothers and sisters here claim American inventions, as their overall attitude towards Americans, is parallel to those in Europe and Asia and Latin America including Cuba. Conversely, many Americans do revel in the rich culture and incredible cuisine of Montreal and Quebec City. I can assure you that no Quebecois is lusting to become an American. But for example, after the Quebecer Bombardier invented the snow mobile (skidoo) it sure wasn't long before Americans started making them, without patent lawsuits from their congenial French Canadian neighbors to the north. As to humour, we have comedians here that you all recognize for sure, the greatest of which was the late John Candy. But there have been great American comedians too, such as Dick Nixon (for dark humour) and George W Bush (Satire) and Bill Clinton (comic x-rated soap opera). It became evident that American politics was as much about acting as about reality, when Ronald Regan became president, who when stacked up with others, did not a bad job of it for a cowboy actor fro Hollywood.. There was a war here in 1812 that drew the line between Canada and the USA. Fortunately, we won. On that victorious day, we laid claim to our Canadian rights, accomplishments and history, to be secure and no longer threatened by other powers outside our limits. This country is the present and future of America's place in the new world, as we supply the lions share of your oil and natural gas, and all other raw materials squandered in the USA are plentiful here. We have a French as well as a European culture to blend with our native peoples heritage, and we never fought a civil war to settle differences of ethnicity. Our national medical system was indeed a Canadian invention, and now days some Americans marry canadians just to access health care...a heart operation or cancer treatment denied at home there. So, if you doubt that Alexander Bell was a Canadian when he invented the phone, you should visit Baddeck or Brantford. The historians will sort out your history for ya. And to wrap it up with some Orcadian content and purpose, the unique thing abouot that place and culture, is that so many people from afar, Australia, New Zealand, The African Continent, and our Canada, all are reluctant to give up that piece of their soul that cries out..."we are from Orkney." Many Americans seem to place a high value on that, perhaps because as we do here in Canada, we allow our culture to become fragmented and watered down so much, that we look back in time to find out who we are. Well, gotta go now. That Canadian invention just rang...yup...the phone. > Stephen, please....the telephone? Alexander Graham Bell lived in > Canada for less than two years after he lived in Scotland. > Americans are generous in giving credit to Canada for our > comedians, but Bell came to Boston from Canada and lived in the US > for almost four years when he invented the telephone. He patented > it in the US. It's a US invention. You sound like the French > there in claiming American inventions. > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting Tuck. Kewl place to stay you chose. good on ya! Some of the land near the stones was old Isbister property. I have a Davie/ Isbister relative who's old stone house overlooks that area and indeed it is beautiful near there and must have been for you, a great place to stay. Not too far from the hotel or to town for that matter, but still very natural and rural. I had dinner one night there with a lovely red headed lady from the USA in the stones hotel. Twas funny. The new english owners, were having pain because of a handful of largely drunk young men out doing the warmup for the blackening thing. Boy, the young proprietor's wife was somewhat stressed, yet the wee celebrants were not aggressive or threatening towards anyone. Just drunk. I guessed that they were at the Standing Stones hotel, standing stoned and well, so it all made perfect sense to me. The place I found and loved, belonged to an aging fellow who knew one of my last relatives who lived there. He lived alongside some new wave baronial wannabe from London who made his last years uncomfortable to miserable some days, so rather than sell out to the guy, he simply canvassed the idea of selling to us. My countless cousins here and in the USA were not organized to make the move, and it became clear that the legal control affecting renovations with additions, is something that bathes in bureaucracy like an otter bathes in water. Just to develop a plan and budget requires a lot of time and gabbing with officials. MOre hurdles than a steeplechase event. While the protectionism is to be applauded, there still seems some obvious mysteries involving the new houses there to some extent, and the location of some of them. Frankly, the old stone croft dwellings have a lot of appeal to me, whereas some of the new rectangular box, sheeting and parging look houses without the old slate roof, equates to some of the vinyl and aluminum hasty-house tragedies in this country. After all that "planning" some of the results surly sway far from the integrity of the traditional. We had some stone masons in the family over there, which I thought was interesting or unique, until I figured out that due to the time to build with stone, before the day of the electric socket, power mixers and hydraulics, masonry was a time consuming tedious pursuit which involved the only readily available building material. Stone. I visited a thing called Davie's Brig near Finstown, with a reporter from the paper there. Twas a fine example of what patience and a trowel with a very strong back can achieve. I do not know how old that bridge is, but I suppose it is very elderly for sure. Yet it is sound, like so much of the old stonework. (ie St. Magnus Cathedral) In our case, the Hudson's Bay Company stripped our young men from the Isles there, from three and four successive generations. Thus our name has been stricken from the phone book there. Relatives who have visited there in the fifties through nineties, all sorta say..."nice" and return with a picture and a bottle of scotch or some jewelry. However in the current generation, our own wing of the family is over 150 strong, and there is a keen interest to find a place there to camp. But the approach has changed, which new approach is supported by this global meltdown. So this time around, tis better to line up the partners first, and when the funds are in the bag, then go shopping. I thing that the next decade will give opportunity anew to people wanting to invest in property virtually anywhere in the world. A self styled syndicated little "time share" operation is one way. The other is to buy and fund and staff a b and b for members only, who would own a place which would be available at an amazing rate for owners, but at regular rates for others when the family was absent. It would be good employment for a couple, properly designed. An old and very wise business man once told a friend of mine, that insofar as real estate is concerned, "ownership equals responsibility." We found that even with properties in south Florida, and once in Costa Rica, without a solid management plan, the bloom is soon to fall off the rose, and your practical suggestion Tuck, of renting, falls into play for all the right reasons. At this time, from California to Panama, properties are offered at steadily reducing prices, and to buy without knowing better what the economy in the world will do, is to walk on thin spring ice. When I asked a friend of mine wintering in Mexico if he would buy near Progreso/ Merida where he was enjoying himself this winter, the virtually accomplished old developer said..."why buy, there is no up?" He paid fifty dollars a day for four thousand square feet of luxury on the beach, with two boats, and a house full of hot and cold running wonderful mexican staff to cook, adjust the pool settings, and to take him fishing. A hurricane in the off season will not be his responsibility or concern. A falling...or plunging market is a sad thing indeed. Strips away the positive feelings of younger people, and depresses the older ones. But in the case of Orkney it may well give a few local kids a chance to buy a home there, at prices not affected by the "invasion" of outside money. Where I live here, prices are as sure to drop, as are Bill Clinton's britches. So everyone is just scaling down for the long haul back. Underline long. We now think that maybe buy the land and sit, and think and plan the structure, and then build an old new orkney place from scratch, not snatching away an existing home from some young Orcadian couple, but building additional tax revenue, and supplying some jobs in the process. The green construction techniques are appealing, right down to the mini windmills, infloor heat, and dc lighting and solar panels. So that is where it ended. Wye or Finstown...but near the water, with enough land for a highland cow or two, and some chickens and maybe an alpaca. In truth, a person would be better to build a day care facility with accommodation and leave something there to be utilized in absence, in a way that benefits the place. Or an indoor pool and spa with a unit or two. But as was suggested by our friend from Lethbridge, we's have to bust out of the life of generalities to do something that astute. Tuck, my memory flashes back to somebody that was indeed an architect on this "chat and spat" expat site. Indeed I see you are a sculptor. Wow. I am visiting a sculptor in Santiago de Cuba the end of next month. Did you see the Haida pole that is installed in Orkney? Take care on this rainy windy spring "stay indoors" day. Stephen (Kol) Davie On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: > Stephen, Robert, et al, > > My wife and I once spotted a wonderful little stone house with stone > flag roof, right down near Scapa flow in Orphir, and thought it would > make a grand place to own, but on a later trip we went to look at it > and it was gone, torn down and replaced with a huge house being built > by a guy who owns a disco or something in Kirkwall. Sad, but it would > have taken so long and so much money and so much time spent there to > make it habitable it was totally impractical for someone like me, with > a career here, to be away that much and spend that much. But we did > enjoy "planning" it in our heads, where the AGA would go, things like > that. > > However, a house all ready to move into, paid for by about 8 people > would be a different story. But then all 8 would be fighting for prime > time in it, like the St. Magnus festival and so on, and no one would > want it in February, so it would stand idle a lot. > > In the end, simply renting a self catering place is cheaper and > easier, and then you don't feel pressured to go there every trip. We > have rented Odin, the house with the red roof just beside the Stones > of Stenness, three times now, and find it perfect. It overlooks the > Loch, which is just a few feet from the front room, it has a beautiful > front glassed in porch, a great living room with a fire, a wonderful > kitchen complete with all mod cons, including a fan oven, plenty of > cooking gear, nice wine glasses and so on, and sleeps 6, with 5 > bathrooms for the six, so no one need stand dancing in the hall of a > morning. At somewhere around 500 pounds a week you are a whole lot of > money ahead in the long run - and the short one for that matter. > > But if someone comes up with a good bargain and a list of folks who > want in, spread the word and there may just be interest anyway. > > > Tuck, > > Sculptor, > retired professor of Sculpture Indiana University South Bend. > South Bend, Indiana > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: >

That's creative, Stephen. Maybe someday a Canadian will invent Wikipedia or figure out how to search old patent records.

I thought AGB's home was in Nova Scotia.  (Yes, I know NS is in Canada. ) Stephen, you're saying that Brantford or Baddeck is in Ontario.  Peggy Teacher of the Deaf and member of the AGB Association for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing

Stephen, please....the telephone? Alexander Graham Bell lived in Canada for less than two years after he lived in Scotland. Americans are generous in giving credit to Canada for our comedians, but Bell came to Boston from Canada and lived in the US for almost four years when he invented the telephone. He patented it in the US. It's a US invention. You sound like the French there in claiming American inventions.

Stephen, Robert, et al, My wife and I once spotted a wonderful little stone house with stone flag roof, right down near Scapa flow in Orphir, and thought it would make a grand place to own, but on a later trip we went to look at it and it was gone, torn down and replaced with a huge house being built by a guy who owns a disco or something in Kirkwall. Sad, but it would have taken so long and so much money and so much time spent there to make it habitable it was totally impractical for someone like me, with a career here, to be away that much and spend that much. But we did enjoy "planning" it in our heads, where the AGA would go, things like that. However, a house all ready to move into, paid for by about 8 people would be a different story. But then all 8 would be fighting for prime time in it, like the St. Magnus festival and so on, and no one would want it in February, so it would stand idle a lot. In the end, simply renting a self catering place is cheaper and easier, and then you don't feel pressured to go there every trip. We have rented Odin, the house with the red roof just beside the Stones of Stenness, three times now, and find it perfect. It overlooks the Loch, which is just a few feet from the front room, it has a beautiful front glassed in porch, a great living room with a fire, a wonderful kitchen complete with all mod cons, including a fan oven, plenty of cooking gear, nice wine glasses and so on, and sleeps 6, with 5 bathrooms for the six, so no one need stand dancing in the hall of a morning. At somewhere around 500 pounds a week you are a whole lot of money ahead in the long run - and the short one for that matter. But if someone comes up with a good bargain and a list of folks who want in, spread the word and there may just be interest anyway. Tuck, Sculptor, retired professor of Sculpture Indiana University South Bend. South Bend, Indiana On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Me. > > ******************************************** > Robert James Sutherland, PhD > Alberta Heritage Medical Scientist > Canadian Centre for Behavioural Neuroscience > Professor, Dept of Neuroscience > Univ of LethbridgeLethbridge AB Canada > T1K 3M4 > Tel/Tél: 403-394-3987 > Admin assistant: 403-394-3900 > Fax/Télécopieur: 403-329-2775 > E-mail/Courriel: robert.sutherland@uleth.ca > ******************************************** > "We think in generalities, but we live in detail." > > Alfred North Whitehead > > > On 28-Mar-09, at 6:29 PM, stephen davie wrote: > >> ME! >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Tuck Langland wrote: >> >>> Stephan and all, >>> >>> Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning >>> another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has >>> certain >>> drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much >>> for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in >>> Orkney. >>> >>> Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time >>> working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. >>> >>> Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, >>> prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. >>> >>> So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. >>> Know of anyone? >>> >>> Tuck >>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>> >>>> Tuck....You can't put a price on yer heritage and food fer yer >>>> soul. >>>> I will probably end up with jist enough property there for a cairn. >>>> Indeed, there was a lovely 50 acres with an old rickpile of a >>>> house, >>>> on the water not far >>>> from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >>>> Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. >>>> >>>> I have the solution to your formula problem. >>>> Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. >>>> I call it my "share the pride" program. >>>> >>>> cheers...Stephen >>>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: >>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Several years ago, while visiting in Orkney and lusting after >>>>> buying a >>>>> small house there, I spoke to a local and said, >>>>> >>>>> "New let's see if I've got this straight. I buy a house for a >>>>> hundred >>>>> thousand, spend a second hundred thousand fixing it up all nice, >>>>> and >>>>> now I own a house worth a hundred thousand. Is that right?" >>>>> >>>>> And he replied, "You've got it exactly right." >>>>> >>>>> So perhaps now I can knock those numbers down a bit, but the >>>>> principle >>>>> remains the same. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'll wait. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tuck >>>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:51 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed this evening, that there seems to be quite a raft of >>>>>> properties floating on the market in Orkney. Perhaps it is just >>>>>> that >>>>>> I found a website with the bulk of the listings, or perhaps it is >>>>>> this new economy speaking to people. Lots of "doubling up" going >>>>>> on >>>>>> here in Canada, with family members merging their housing, as >>>>>> the >>>>>> economy continues to shrink faster than GM's bailout money. >>>>>> >>>>>> One add which was cute, suggested that if you moved to Stronsay, >>>>>> you >>>>>> could avoid traffic jams! haha. Over to you Bruce. Bin stuck in >>>>>> the >>>>>> rush hour traffic lately? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then the Balfour Castle is for sale, and comparing it to a >>>>>> Muskoka >>>>>> Estate near my place, the price at 2.7 million pounds is >>>>>> virtually >>>>>> justifiable, in an economy with some long term prospects that >>>>>> aren't >>>>>> so unholy scary. Indeed, the photos are just lovely, and the 14 >>>>>> bedrooms and 10 baths are a delight. To ever replace the stoney >>>>>> lofty >>>>>> structure would be virtually unthinkable. I further did not know >>>>>> that >>>>>> the property is indeed one that affords world class >>>>>> waterfowling. It >>>>>> would be the ultimate b and b. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the places posted seem to reflect a drop in price. There did >>>>>> not >>>>>> seem many with acreages a few years back, and indeed the >>>>>> prospects >>>>>> below two hundred thousand pounds, were few and sketchy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Indeed two of the places for sale are priced at thirty five and >>>>>> forty >>>>>> five thousand pounds respectively. One of these has six acres, on >>>>>> Sanday in think, and the other little place, only six miles from >>>>>> Kirkwall in Tankerness.... a wee rocky fixer-upper. >>>>>> >>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things fair in Orkney in the >>>>>> new >>>>>> world economic storm. I suspect, that like farming communities >>>>>> here, >>>>>> people will do better there than in the big cities to the south. >>>>>> Farmers near here say that in light of the fact that they live >>>>>> within >>>>>> a budget, and have no propensity for unrestricted spending >>>>>> frenzies >>>>>> on borrowed money, that their lives will be the same, basically. >>>>>> That >>>>>> frugality is evident in Orkney, and will shortly prove it's value >>>>>> methinks. And the expatriated Orkney families of yesteryear, will >>>>>> continue to return and explore their roots, and in some cases >>>>>> invest >>>>>> in their heritage with a property there. Orkney is indeed a world >>>>>> class attraction. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, not much news from the green isles these days. I still have >>>>>> two >>>>>> feet of snow some places in my yard, but that will soon >>>>>> disappear. >>>>>> Spring here, as in Orkney, is a tonic for the soul. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers....Stephen in central Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> ( the doonies in 2009!) >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Yup...tis a half truth. For if we dare not to dream, then we have to work on someone else's schedule of priorities and avoid the thrill of expression of self. To create something, we think in detail don't we? I have been in the real estate and development business north of Toronto for 38 years, and learned many years ago of the benefits laterally of a thing called syndicated partnerships. Spread the risks and the pain, the management and responsibility, and it is easier to do ten deals like that, then get caught in one bad one on your own. That is why we will buy a tiny bit of Orkney as a family group. So while we may indeed think in generalities, we Canuks are good at being on the edge...on new ground. That is why we can take credit for the Avro Arrow, the telephone, the De havilland Beaver, the Blackberry, Basketball, the chocolate bar, the gas mask, the light bulb, the garbage bag, the paint roller, the robinson screw, the birch bark canoe, balderdash, the anti gravity suit, the electric stove, cystic fibrosis gene discovery, insulin, the elctric wheelchair, five pin bowling, ice HOCKEY, the hydrofoil boat, the kayak, the jolly jumper, lacrosse, the mackintosh apple, newsprint, pablum, the pacemaker, the retractable beer case handle, the snowmobile, the definition of the speed of sound, the telegraph, the tipi, trivial pursuit, velcro, the walkie talkie and the zipper. I think that blueberry pie is ours too, if it's real wild blueberries. None of these folks would likely have assented to the idea that they had to live in generalities...which is to say a principle having general rather than specific validity or force. Using a very local example to me, in the case of Drs. Banting and Best, I gotta think that their contribution to humanity, namely insulin, stretches beyond the limits of generality. But yeah, lots of people sorta give up because being "outside the box" is not often easy, on many plains. So out of those years or just brief moments of living in generalities, we can turn on the minds and the power fom within, step outside the box of generalities, and be innovative, creative and contributive. As a scientist you have many examples in your own profession. Quite frankly, we need some political leaders ( an oxymoron?) here and elsewhere in this world these days, who can think up solutions from our current generality in the world, which is the utter collapse of the g8 economies and beyond. Even Alberta posted a deficit this year. Hope all is well in Lethbridge. Bin there many times on business, and always liked the bridge over the coulee. The ag fair there in march is fun and the blood reserve is unique. cheers...stephen On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Me. > > ******************************************** > Robert James Sutherland, PhD > Alberta Heritage Medical Scientist > Canadian Centre for Behavioural Neuroscience > Professor, Dept of Neuroscience > Univ of LethbridgeLethbridge AB Canada > T1K 3M4 > Tel/Tél: 403-394-3987 > Admin assistant: 403-394-3900 > Fax/Télécopieur: 403-329-2775 > E-mail/Courriel: robert.sutherland@uleth.ca > ******************************************** > "We think in generalities, but we live in detail." > > Alfred North Whitehead > > > On 28-Mar-09, at 6:29 PM, stephen davie wrote: > >> ME! >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Tuck Langland wrote: >> >>> Stephan and all, >>> >>> Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning >>> another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has >>> certain >>> drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much >>> for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in >>> Orkney. >>> >>> Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time >>> working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. >>> >>> Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, >>> prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. >>> >>> So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. >>> Know of anyone? >>> >>> Tuck >>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>> >>>> Tuck....You can't put a price on yer heritage and food fer yer >>>> soul. >>>> I will probably end up with jist enough property there for a cairn. >>>> Indeed, there was a lovely 50 acres with an old rickpile of a >>>> house, >>>> on the water not far >>>> from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >>>> Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. >>>> >>>> I have the solution to your formula problem. >>>> Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. >>>> I call it my "share the pride" program. >>>> >>>> cheers...Stephen >>>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: >>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Several years ago, while visiting in Orkney and lusting after >>>>> buying a >>>>> small house there, I spoke to a local and said, >>>>> >>>>> "New let's see if I've got this straight. I buy a house for a >>>>> hundred >>>>> thousand, spend a second hundred thousand fixing it up all nice, >>>>> and >>>>> now I own a house worth a hundred thousand. Is that right?" >>>>> >>>>> And he replied, "You've got it exactly right." >>>>> >>>>> So perhaps now I can knock those numbers down a bit, but the >>>>> principle >>>>> remains the same. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'll wait. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tuck >>>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:51 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed this evening, that there seems to be quite a raft of >>>>>> properties floating on the market in Orkney. Perhaps it is just >>>>>> that >>>>>> I found a website with the bulk of the listings, or perhaps it is >>>>>> this new economy speaking to people. Lots of "doubling up" going >>>>>> on >>>>>> here in Canada, with family members merging their housing, as >>>>>> the >>>>>> economy continues to shrink faster than GM's bailout money. >>>>>> >>>>>> One add which was cute, suggested that if you moved to Stronsay, >>>>>> you >>>>>> could avoid traffic jams! haha. Over to you Bruce. Bin stuck in >>>>>> the >>>>>> rush hour traffic lately? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then the Balfour Castle is for sale, and comparing it to a >>>>>> Muskoka >>>>>> Estate near my place, the price at 2.7 million pounds is >>>>>> virtually >>>>>> justifiable, in an economy with some long term prospects that >>>>>> aren't >>>>>> so unholy scary. Indeed, the photos are just lovely, and the 14 >>>>>> bedrooms and 10 baths are a delight. To ever replace the stoney >>>>>> lofty >>>>>> structure would be virtually unthinkable. I further did not know >>>>>> that >>>>>> the property is indeed one that affords world class >>>>>> waterfowling. It >>>>>> would be the ultimate b and b. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the places posted seem to reflect a drop in price. There did >>>>>> not >>>>>> seem many with acreages a few years back, and indeed the >>>>>> prospects >>>>>> below two hundred thousand pounds, were few and sketchy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Indeed two of the places for sale are priced at thirty five and >>>>>> forty >>>>>> five thousand pounds respectively. One of these has six acres, on >>>>>> Sanday in think, and the other little place, only six miles from >>>>>> Kirkwall in Tankerness.... a wee rocky fixer-upper. >>>>>> >>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things fair in Orkney in the >>>>>> new >>>>>> world economic storm. I suspect, that like farming communities >>>>>> here, >>>>>> people will do better there than in the big cities to the south. >>>>>> Farmers near here say that in light of the fact that they live >>>>>> within >>>>>> a budget, and have no propensity for unrestricted spending >>>>>> frenzies >>>>>> on borrowed money, that their lives will be the same, basically. >>>>>> That >>>>>> frugality is evident in Orkney, and will shortly prove it's value >>>>>> methinks. And the expatriated Orkney families of yesteryear, will >>>>>> continue to return and explore their roots, and in some cases >>>>>> invest >>>>>> in their heritage with a property there. Orkney is indeed a world >>>>>> class attraction. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, not much news from the green isles these days. I still have >>>>>> two >>>>>> feet of snow some places in my yard, but that will soon >>>>>> disappear. >>>>>> Spring here, as in Orkney, is a tonic for the soul. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers....Stephen in central Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> ( the doonies in 2009!) >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >> request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

ME! On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Tuck Langland wrote: > Stephan and all, > > Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning > another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has certain > drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much > for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in > Orkney. > > Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time > working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. > > Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, > prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. > > So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. > Know of anyone? > > Tuck > On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, stephen davie wrote: > >> Tuck....You can't put a price on yer heritage and food fer yer soul. >> I will probably end up with jist enough property there for a cairn. >> Indeed, there was a lovely 50 acres with an old rickpile of a house, >> on the water not far >> from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >> Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. >> >> I have the solution to your formula problem. >> Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. >> I call it my "share the pride" program. >> >> cheers...Stephen >> >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> Several years ago, while visiting in Orkney and lusting after >>> buying a >>> small house there, I spoke to a local and said, >>> >>> "New let's see if I've got this straight. I buy a house for a >>> hundred >>> thousand, spend a second hundred thousand fixing it up all nice, and >>> now I own a house worth a hundred thousand. Is that right?" >>> >>> And he replied, "You've got it exactly right." >>> >>> So perhaps now I can knock those numbers down a bit, but the >>> principle >>> remains the same. >>> >>> I guess I'll wait. >>> >>> >>> Tuck >>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:51 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>> >>>> I noticed this evening, that there seems to be quite a raft of >>>> properties floating on the market in Orkney. Perhaps it is just >>>> that >>>> I found a website with the bulk of the listings, or perhaps it is >>>> this new economy speaking to people. Lots of "doubling up" going on >>>> here in Canada, with family members merging their housing, as the >>>> economy continues to shrink faster than GM's bailout money. >>>> >>>> One add which was cute, suggested that if you moved to Stronsay, >>>> you >>>> could avoid traffic jams! haha. Over to you Bruce. Bin stuck in the >>>> rush hour traffic lately? >>>> >>>> Then the Balfour Castle is for sale, and comparing it to a Muskoka >>>> Estate near my place, the price at 2.7 million pounds is virtually >>>> justifiable, in an economy with some long term prospects that >>>> aren't >>>> so unholy scary. Indeed, the photos are just lovely, and the 14 >>>> bedrooms and 10 baths are a delight. To ever replace the stoney >>>> lofty >>>> structure would be virtually unthinkable. I further did not know >>>> that >>>> the property is indeed one that affords world class >>>> waterfowling. It >>>> would be the ultimate b and b. >>>> >>>> All the places posted seem to reflect a drop in price. There did >>>> not >>>> seem many with acreages a few years back, and indeed the prospects >>>> below two hundred thousand pounds, were few and sketchy. >>>> >>>> Indeed two of the places for sale are priced at thirty five and >>>> forty >>>> five thousand pounds respectively. One of these has six acres, on >>>> Sanday in think, and the other little place, only six miles from >>>> Kirkwall in Tankerness.... a wee rocky fixer-upper. >>>> >>>> It will be interesting to see how things fair in Orkney in the new >>>> world economic storm. I suspect, that like farming communities >>>> here, >>>> people will do better there than in the big cities to the south. >>>> Farmers near here say that in light of the fact that they live >>>> within >>>> a budget, and have no propensity for unrestricted spending frenzies >>>> on borrowed money, that their lives will be the same, basically. >>>> That >>>> frugality is evident in Orkney, and will shortly prove it's value >>>> methinks. And the expatriated Orkney families of yesteryear, will >>>> continue to return and explore their roots, and in some cases >>>> invest >>>> in their heritage with a property there. Orkney is indeed a world >>>> class attraction. >>>> >>>> So, not much news from the green isles these days. I still have two >>>> feet of snow some places in my yard, but that will soon disappear. >>>> Spring here, as in Orkney, is a tonic for the soul. >>>> >>>> Cheers....Stephen in central Canada >>>> >>>> ( the doonies in 2009!) >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >> request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

They belong to a household near to the shore there, hens and cockeral seen wandering about at times too. I have seen a dead hen at the side of the road once, but otherwise they seem to survive the traffic! Sian James Thompson wrote: >>> an old rickpile of a house, >>> on the water not far >>> >> >from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >> >>> Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. >>> > > Speaking of Finstown and ducks, does anyone know the background of > those ducks which are always walking back and forth on the bay side of > the road through Finstown? > > Jim > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. > ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc http://www.uia.net/ > > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

>>an old rickpile of a house, >>on the water not far >>from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >>Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. Speaking of Finstown and ducks, does anyone know the background of those ducks which are always walking back and forth on the bay side of the road through Finstown? Jim --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc http://www.uia.net/

Me. ******************************************** Robert James Sutherland, PhD Alberta Heritage Medical Scientist Canadian Centre for Behavioural Neuroscience Professor, Dept of Neuroscience Univ of LethbridgeLethbridge AB Canada T1K 3M4 Tel/Tél: 403-394-3987 Admin assistant: 403-394-3900 Fax/Télécopieur: 403-329-2775 E-mail/Courriel: robert.sutherland@uleth.ca ******************************************** "We think in generalities, but we live in detail." Alfred North Whitehead On 28-Mar-09, at 6:29 PM, stephen davie wrote: > ME! > On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Tuck Langland wrote: > >> Stephan and all, >> >> Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning >> another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has certain >> drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much >> for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in >> Orkney. >> >> Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time >> working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. >> >> Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, >> prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. >> >> So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. >> Know of anyone? >> >> Tuck >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, stephen davie wrote: >> >>> Tuck....You can't put a price on yer heritage and food fer yer soul. >>> I will probably end up with jist enough property there for a cairn. >>> Indeed, there was a lovely 50 acres with an old rickpile of a house, >>> on the water not far >>> from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! >>> Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. >>> >>> I have the solution to your formula problem. >>> Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. >>> I call it my "share the pride" program. >>> >>> cheers...Stephen >>> >>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Several years ago, while visiting in Orkney and lusting after >>>> buying a >>>> small house there, I spoke to a local and said, >>>> >>>> "New let's see if I've got this straight. I buy a house for a >>>> hundred >>>> thousand, spend a second hundred thousand fixing it up all nice, >>>> and >>>> now I own a house worth a hundred thousand. Is that right?" >>>> >>>> And he replied, "You've got it exactly right." >>>> >>>> So perhaps now I can knock those numbers down a bit, but the >>>> principle >>>> remains the same. >>>> >>>> I guess I'll wait. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tuck >>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:51 PM, stephen davie wrote: >>>> >>>>> I noticed this evening, that there seems to be quite a raft of >>>>> properties floating on the market in Orkney. Perhaps it is just >>>>> that >>>>> I found a website with the bulk of the listings, or perhaps it is >>>>> this new economy speaking to people. Lots of "doubling up" going >>>>> on >>>>> here in Canada, with family members merging their housing, as the >>>>> economy continues to shrink faster than GM's bailout money. >>>>> >>>>> One add which was cute, suggested that if you moved to Stronsay, >>>>> you >>>>> could avoid traffic jams! haha. Over to you Bruce. Bin stuck in >>>>> the >>>>> rush hour traffic lately? >>>>> >>>>> Then the Balfour Castle is for sale, and comparing it to a Muskoka >>>>> Estate near my place, the price at 2.7 million pounds is virtually >>>>> justifiable, in an economy with some long term prospects that >>>>> aren't >>>>> so unholy scary. Indeed, the photos are just lovely, and the 14 >>>>> bedrooms and 10 baths are a delight. To ever replace the stoney >>>>> lofty >>>>> structure would be virtually unthinkable. I further did not know >>>>> that >>>>> the property is indeed one that affords world class >>>>> waterfowling. It >>>>> would be the ultimate b and b. >>>>> >>>>> All the places posted seem to reflect a drop in price. There did >>>>> not >>>>> seem many with acreages a few years back, and indeed the prospects >>>>> below two hundred thousand pounds, were few and sketchy. >>>>> >>>>> Indeed two of the places for sale are priced at thirty five and >>>>> forty >>>>> five thousand pounds respectively. One of these has six acres, on >>>>> Sanday in think, and the other little place, only six miles from >>>>> Kirkwall in Tankerness.... a wee rocky fixer-upper. >>>>> >>>>> It will be interesting to see how things fair in Orkney in the new >>>>> world economic storm. I suspect, that like farming communities >>>>> here, >>>>> people will do better there than in the big cities to the south. >>>>> Farmers near here say that in light of the fact that they live >>>>> within >>>>> a budget, and have no propensity for unrestricted spending >>>>> frenzies >>>>> on borrowed money, that their lives will be the same, basically. >>>>> That >>>>> frugality is evident in Orkney, and will shortly prove it's value >>>>> methinks. And the expatriated Orkney families of yesteryear, will >>>>> continue to return and explore their roots, and in some cases >>>>> invest >>>>> in their heritage with a property there. Orkney is indeed a world >>>>> class attraction. >>>>> >>>>> So, not much news from the green isles these days. I still have >>>>> two >>>>> feet of snow some places in my yard, but that will soon disappear. >>>>> Spring here, as in Orkney, is a tonic for the soul. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers....Stephen in central Canada >>>>> >>>>> ( the doonies in 2009!) >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>> request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Stephan and all, Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has certain drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in Orkney. Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. Know of anyone? Tuck On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, stephen davie wrote: > Tuck....You can't put a price on yer heritage and food fer yer soul. > I will probably end up with jist enough property there for a cairn. > Indeed, there was a lovely 50 acres with an old rickpile of a house, > on the water not far > from Finstown. Some Italian duckhunter bought it! > Paid enough to buy about a hundred thousand ducks. > > I have the solution to your formula problem. > Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. > I call it my "share the pride" program. > > cheers...Stephen > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Tuck Langland wrote: > >> All, >> >> Several years ago, while visiting in Orkney and lusting after >> buying a >> small house there, I spoke to a local and said, >> >> "New let's see if I've got this straight. I buy a house for a hundred >> thousand, spend a second hundred thousand fixing it up all nice, and >> now I own a house worth a hundred thousand. Is that right?" >> >> And he replied, "You've got it exactly right." >> >> So perhaps now I can knock those numbers down a bit, but the >> principle >> remains the same. >> >> I guess I'll wait. >> >> >> Tuck >> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:51 PM, stephen davie wrote: >> >>> I noticed this evening, that there seems to be quite a raft of >>> properties floating on the market in Orkney. Perhaps it is just that >>> I found a website with the bulk of the listings, or perhaps it is >>> this new economy speaking to people. Lots of "doubling up" going on >>> here in Canada, with family members merging their housing, as the >>> economy continues to shrink faster than GM's bailout money. >>> >>> One add which was cute, suggested that if you moved to Stronsay, you >>> could avoid traffic jams! haha. Over to you Bruce. Bin stuck in the >>> rush hour traffic lately? >>> >>> Then the Balfour Castle is for sale, and comparing it to a Muskoka >>> Estate near my place, the price at 2.7 million pounds is virtually >>> justifiable, in an economy with some long term prospects that aren't >>> so unholy scary. Indeed, the photos are just lovely, and the 14 >>> bedrooms and 10 baths are a delight. To ever replace the stoney >>> lofty >>> structure would be virtually unthinkable. I further did not know >>> that >>> the property is indeed one that affords world class waterfowling. It >>> would be the ultimate b and b. >>> >>> All the places posted seem to reflect a drop in price. There did not >>> seem many with acreages a few years back, and indeed the prospects >>> below two hundred thousand pounds, were few and sketchy. >>> >>> Indeed two of the places for sale are priced at thirty five and >>> forty >>> five thousand pounds respectively. One of these has six acres, on >>> Sanday in think, and the other little place, only six miles from >>> Kirkwall in Tankerness.... a wee rocky fixer-upper. >>> >>> It will be interesting to see how things fair in Orkney in the new >>> world economic storm. I suspect, that like farming communities >>> here, >>> people will do better there than in the big cities to the south. >>> Farmers near here say that in light of the fact that they live >>> within >>> a budget, and have no propensity for unrestricted spending frenzies >>> on borrowed money, that their lives will be the same, basically. >>> That >>> frugality is evident in Orkney, and will shortly prove it's value >>> methinks. And the expatriated Orkney families of yesteryear, will >>> continue to return and explore their roots, and in some cases invest >>> in their heritage with a property there. Orkney is indeed a world >>> class attraction. >>> >>> So, not much news from the green isles these days. I still have two >>> feet of snow some places in my yard, but that will soon disappear. >>> Spring here, as in Orkney, is a tonic for the soul. >>> >>> Cheers....Stephen in central Canada >>> >>> ( the doonies in 2009!) >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >>> request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

a small piece of land to park a camper vehicle on OR rough it under the stars. count me in. Marion > Stephan and all, > > Lining up some friends is indeed the way to go. First of all, owning > another house in a distant land, romantic as it may seem, has certain > drawbacks. One is that's where you go every time you travel. So much > for France, Spain, Italy, etc., it's always to the same house in Orkney. > > Second, when you get there you will probably spend most of your time > working to repair any deterioration since the last visit. Fun. > > Third, no matter where you are, one of your houses is sitting empty, > prey to burglars, water damage, fire etc. > > So the trust is a good idea, because you share cost, work, and time. > Know of anyone? > > Tuck > >> I have the solution to your formula problem. >> Ya line up some relatives or friends, and form a trust. >> I call it my "share the pride" program. >> >> cheers...Stephen