All, I knew about guineas when living in England, but really learned about them when I made a sculpture and a fellow wanted to buy it.He asked how much, and I said "forty." He said fine, got out a check book, and then asked "is that pounds or guineas?" Thinking quickly I replied guineas, and made two pounds which I wouldn't have had otherwise. But I was never quite clear where the dividing line between pound objects and guinea objects lay, exactly. Tuck On May 28, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Mike Clouston wrote: > Interesting page here > http://copywriting.typepad.co.uk/copywriting/2008/08/that-will-be-25.html > > When I came out of the Royal Navy in 1966 my very first job was as a > driver/salesman for an electrical and white goods retailer. They had a > habit of pricing everything in guineas e.g. a TV set priced at 49½ > guineas. Customers might have been fooled into thinking it cost lest > than 50 GBP when in fact it cost 51 pounds 19 shillings and 6 pence. > Those were the days :-) > -- > Kind regards > Mike Clouston > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Interesting page here http://copywriting.typepad.co.uk/copywriting/2008/08/that-will-be-25.html When I came out of the Royal Navy in 1966 my very first job was as a driver/salesman for an electrical and white goods retailer. They had a habit of pricing everything in guineas e.g. a TV set priced at 49½ guineas. Customers might have been fooled into thinking it cost lest than 50 GBP when in fact it cost 51 pounds 19 shillings and 6 pence. Those were the days :-) -- Kind regards Mike Clouston

Still used for racehorses too, Karen: "The going for the racing industry has changed from firm to soft since last year. Even at the Tattersalls yearling sales in October, prices were still strong. Despite other asset values falling, horses were selling at record prices in 2008. The average at last year's Newmarket Craven Breeze Up sale – the "breeze up" is the test run along the course – was 102,448 guineas or £107,570, some 40 per cent higher than the previous year's average. "The top price in last year's Craven sale was 470,000 guineas for a chestnut filly. Yet at this month's Craven sale, the average price was just 74,443 guineas, a 27 per cent reduction on last year, and this week's Guineas Breeze Up auction is expected to reflect a similar collapse in prices." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/racehorse-prices-pull-up-in-final-stretch-1674159.html And for sheep too. See: http://www.stackyard.com/news/2009/03/sheep/01_blackface_show.html I don't think guineas are used for just run-of-the-mill, everyday livestock trading, though, just for the expensive beasts. I guess it's just the survival of a traditional way of pricing, which will presumably vanish if Britain ever adopts the euro. Norman T.

On 28/05/2009 13:10, KJEMEM@aol.com wrote: > The Orcadian says "An Orkney breeder has purchased a champion bull for > 13,500 guineas ....." > > I know what a guinea is. But do they still use them? Is it peculiar to > buying cattle? I've never seen is it a contemporary context. > > Interesting article at http://copywriting.typepad.co.uk/copywriting/2008/08/that-will-be-25.html Guineas are still used as the price when buying and selling livestock. -- Kind regards Mike Clouston

This is kind of like in the States where gas is 2.459 a gallon - makes it sound less expensive. On May 28, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Anne Slater wrote: > Using "guinea" is a way of increasing the price of something for the > purpose > of getting more money and so that the buyer can brag a little. A > guinea is a > pound plus a shilling. i don;t know if and don't that one could > write a > check in guineas instead of in pounds and pence > > Here's what Wikipedia (NOT the best source of information, in > general) says > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > The *guinea* is an obsolete coin that was minted in the Kingdom of > England<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England>between 1663 > and 1813. > [1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0 > >It > was the first English machine-struck gold > coin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_coin>, originally worth one > English Pound > sterling <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling>,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0 > >equal > to twenty > shillings <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling>; but rises in the > price of > gold caused the value of the guinea to increase, at times as high as > thirty > shillings. > > The name came from Guinea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea> in > West > Africa, where much of the gold used to make the coins originated. > Although > no longer circulated, the term *guinea* survives in some circles, > notably horse > racing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing> > [1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0 > >, > and in the sale of rams <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Domestic_sheep>, *to > mean an amount of one > pound<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28currency%29>and one > shilling (one pound and five > pence <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny> in > decimalised<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Decimalisation#UK_and_Ireland>currency, > equivalent to 21 shillings > *). It also formed the basis for the Arabic term for the Egyptian > pound (* > gineh*, جنيه). > Anne the retired librarian > Philadelphia, PA > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM, <KJEMEM@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> So, could someone write a check for guineas? Or put it on a credit >> card? >> Write it into a purchasing agreement of whatever kind is used? -- >> or is >> it >> just used for press releases to impress somebody? >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:52:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> norman@nwtulloch.vispa.com writes: >> >> Still used for racehorses too, Karen: >> >> >> >> **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the >> ‘Seinfeld’ >> diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. >> (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Evelyn, Emma, Robbie & Spencer Sweet Pea Digory waiting at the Bridge (12/8/89 - 11/8/96) Help support Corgi Aid -- http://www.corgiaid.org/ Raise money for CorgiAid with www.goodsearch.com 'The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.'

Using "guinea" is a way of increasing the price of something for the purpose of getting more money and so that the buyer can brag a little. A guinea is a pound plus a shilling. i don;t know if and don't that one could write a check in guineas instead of in pounds and pence Here's what Wikipedia (NOT the best source of information, in general) says >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The *guinea* is an obsolete coin that was minted in the Kingdom of England<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England>between 1663 and 1813. [1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0>It was the first English machine-struck gold coin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_coin>, originally worth one English Pound sterling <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling>,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0>equal to twenty shillings <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling>; but rises in the price of gold caused the value of the guinea to increase, at times as high as thirty shillings. The name came from Guinea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea> in West Africa, where much of the gold used to make the coins originated. Although no longer circulated, the term *guinea* survives in some circles, notably horse racing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing> [1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_%28British_coin%29#cite_note-Roberts-0>, and in the sale of rams <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_sheep>, *to mean an amount of one pound<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28currency%29>and one shilling (one pound and five pence <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny> in decimalised<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimalisation#UK_and_Ireland>currency, equivalent to 21 shillings *). It also formed the basis for the Arabic term for the Egyptian pound (* gineh*, جنيه). Anne the retired librarian Philadelphia, PA On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM, <KJEMEM@aol.com> wrote: > > So, could someone write a check for guineas? Or put it on a credit card? > Write it into a purchasing agreement of whatever kind is used? --or is > it > just used for press releases to impress somebody? > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:52:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > norman@nwtulloch.vispa.com writes: > > Still used for racehorses too, Karen: > > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, could someone write a check for guineas? Or put it on a credit card? Write it into a purchasing agreement of whatever kind is used? --or is it just used for press releases to impress somebody? In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:52:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, norman@nwtulloch.vispa.com writes: Still used for racehorses too, Karen: **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)

The Orcadian says "An Orkney breeder has purchased a champion bull for 13,500 guineas ....." I know what a guinea is. But do they still use them? Is it peculiar to buying cattle? I've never seen is it a contemporary context. Karen **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)

The Orcadian says "An Orkney breeder has purchased a champion bull for 13,500 guineas ....." I know what a guinea is. But do they still use them? Is it peculiar to buying cattle? I've never seen is it a contemporary context. Karen **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)

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What was offered for sale was Balfour Castle and the rest of the estate: '...In 1940, Captain Tadeusz Zawadzki escaped the notorious Katyn massacre of 22,000 Polish military officers, policemen and prisoners of war by Soviet forces. He then walked right across Europe before reaching Scotland, where he joined the Polish Army in exile, was posted to Orkney and fell in love with the island. 'With his Scottish wife and their four children, he first bought a series of farms on the island before acquiring and restoring the castle, which has 11 bedrooms and eight bathrooms. Zawadzki's widow and their two daughters continue to run the castle as a country-house hotel, which is marketed as "the most northerly castle hotel in the world". 'His son, Richard Zawadzki, manages the rest of the 770-acre estate, which includes the five-bedroom Balfour Mains farm, three cottages, farm buildings, and more than 600 acres of farmland. The islands of Muckle Green Holm and Helliar Holm are also available. Such is the scale of the estate that it is for sale as a whole or in separate lots... ...Guide price of offers over £2.7 million for the whole estate. Through Savills Edinburgh, 0131 247 3720.' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3363905/Property-of-the-week-Remote-charm-of-a-Balfour-beauty.html I've no idea what the property actually sold for, though. (Judging by the first paragraph I quoted above, the writer of the article seems to think that Orkney consists of just one island!) Norman T.

Don't think it;'s been released. The sale price was an "offers over" usual Scottish system (think it was offers over £2.7m). There are websites which eventually publish prices from data from Scottish equivalent of Land Registry but these can sometimes take up to a year to appear. Sian Tuck wrote: > All, > > Perhaps I missed it, but does anyone know the price paid for Balfour > Castle? > > Tuck > On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > >> Well I meant it would be a money pit for the owners - old buildings >> have >> their charm but also their challenges which tend to be expensive, I >> speak from personal experience ;-) >> >> Anne Slater wrote: >> >>> Heather, if it's going to be a money pit, you'll have to pay for me!! >>> Anne (in Ardmore, 70 miles east of her friend Heather) >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Heather Gehron-Rice < >>> hgehronrice@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Sian - that would be me! Thanks for the update! >>>> Heather Gehron-Rice, M.Div. >>>> 131 N Charlotte St >>>> Lancaster, PA 17603 >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Orcadia Group Photo Album >>> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Well I meant it would be a money pit for the owners - old buildings have their charm but also their challenges which tend to be expensive, I speak from personal experience ;-) Anne Slater wrote: > Heather, if it's going to be a money pit, you'll have to pay for me!! > Anne (in Ardmore, 70 miles east of her friend Heather) > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Heather Gehron-Rice < > hgehronrice@verizon.net> wrote: > > >> Sian - that would be me! Thanks for the update! >> Heather Gehron-Rice, M.Div. >> 131 N Charlotte St >> Lancaster, PA 17603 >> > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Ah - I knew it was someone in the US but I'd deleted the previous messages! As norman says if you sign up on an email list you are promised regular updates. regards Sian Heather Gehron-Rice wrote: > Sian - that would be me! Thanks for the update! > Heather Gehron-Rice, M.Div. > 131 N Charlotte St > Lancaster, PA 17603 > USA > (717)393 4323 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sian Thomas" <sian.thomas@btinternet.com> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:59 AM > Subject: [ORCADIA] Balfour Castle, Shapinsay > > > >> Someone was recently asking about Balfour Castle on Shapinsay. >> Apparently the Castle is a hive of activity at present with workmen all >> over the place. I haven't heard what the new owners intentions are, but >> they are clearly spending a lot of money on the place, and putting money >> into the local economy (local workmen, local supplies to a certain >> extent) so it's looking positive for the future of the castle at any >> rate. I believe the new owners have also bought back the Gatehouse >> which was used as a bar but has been out of use for some time. So >> clearly their intentions are serious! >> >> regards >> Sian >> Graemsay >> http://sianthom.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

All, Perhaps I missed it, but does anyone know the price paid for Balfour Castle? Tuck On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Sian Thomas wrote: > Well I meant it would be a money pit for the owners - old buildings > have > their charm but also their challenges which tend to be expensive, I > speak from personal experience ;-) > > Anne Slater wrote: >> Heather, if it's going to be a money pit, you'll have to pay for me!! >> Anne (in Ardmore, 70 miles east of her friend Heather) >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Heather Gehron-Rice < >> hgehronrice@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >>> Sian - that would be me! Thanks for the update! >>> Heather Gehron-Rice, M.Div. >>> 131 N Charlotte St >>> Lancaster, PA 17603 >>> >> _______________________________________ >> Orcadia Group Photo Album >> http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> > _______________________________________ > Orcadia Group Photo Album > http://tinyurl.com/28bx9x > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message