Also, a reminder when you reply to change the subject line when you change the subject. This message, for example, would have been labeled "New High Speed Ferry" though not the subject. It helps people select what they want to read and makes is easy to find references to a particular subject later in the archive. ( _http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ORCADIA/_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ORCADIA/) ) Did something happen to Royce? or did we drive him off? I hope he's OK. Don't despair Pops. We're a pretty good lot. Just sometimes a little overexcited when we haven't talked for a while. It all pours out. Cheers Karen In a message dated 6/17/2010 11:35:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, popsjackson@charter.net writes: "I also wonder why any one person would be designated the "administrator" among a group of free thinking and speaking individuals, and what "any means necessary" to stop a discussion of a particular topic might be. " ************ Rootsweb List administrators have existed as long as have the lists themselves. One reason for having administrators is to ensure that the Acceptable Use Policy (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/aup.html) established by Rootsweb (the folks who give us these lists at no expense to ourselves). Hateful speech, name calling and just plain ugliness of character are not allowed here. That's one "price" we pay for a free forum. By the way, list administrators are volunteers for the most part. Even when Rootsweb/Ancestry paid staff adopt lists as administrators, they do it as volunteers. No one is paid to administrate a list except for those which have not been officially adopted and require someone to at least "babysit" them to ensure enforcement of the AUP mentioned above. We give hours each day due to our love for genealogy and the enjoyment of participating in the Rootsweb/Ancestry community. Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having been born in Northern New England and schooled a few paces from the border, where Canadian history is taught along side American history, the same proportion by population of Canadians are soldiers as are US people and the same number by population have died serving their country and the world in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Korea and WWII, just as American and Orcadian women and men have/did/do overseas. And the cost of our drugs is not Canada's or any other country with socialized medicine, etc., etc. problem no matter how cheap their prescriptions are --it is a drug company problem. Canada is not with out their own issues, but no country is either. Though we may stray from topic here at times, not one is an idiot, nor do any of us deserve to be called one. My own take is that Stephen's writing was pretty retrained this week as his writing goes. I like your writing and ideas Stephen even when I don't agree with you at times, because you get us talking when we have been pretty stagnant, However, most of us US Americans are pretty tender and completely appalled about what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico and don't believe in the motto "Drill Baby, Drill!" one iota, so statements about what is happening there by non US Americans easily cut. But your questions are good ones. This human made catastrophe WILL affect the world, including Orkney--our US drilling licensing does need change, which is done though our political system no matter which candidate we voted for in the last election, and oil is washing up miles away and in other countries. And BP is a multi-national corporation now, not just a UK firm. Like Anne implored, I ask us to remember we are a family and a community. Let us be civil to one another. If we are saying something, we (all of us) should try not to succumb to instantly pushing that send button. Save it in the save file and wait for a few hours, then re-read what is written before sending. "Is it kind, is it true, is it necessary" (which is part of the teachings of Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Old and New Testaments) and the Koran, as well as in the tenants of most organized and unorganized religions, and even found in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder's "Little House" books ) is a good testing ground for what we say aloud and what we write to each other and the listserv. These are tender times. Personally, I have been in the hospital and now home and in recovery which will take many months. I am allowed 15 minutes of internet and pleasure reading a day, but I just had to write though it used up all my eye time and more. Let us be kind, Please. Love, Nan On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Nan Fowler <nanfowler@gmail.com> wrote: > Having grown up in small town northern Maine with its history of town > meeting and Roberts Rules of Order, I would ask that name calling of other > members of the list cease immediately. > > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM, <orcadia-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (stephen davie) >> 2. cars on ferries (stephen davie) >> 3. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) >> 4. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Janice Langland) >> 5. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) >> 6. Re: Ferry Tales... (Mike Ridlen) >> 7. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Mike Ridlen) >> 8. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Slater Anne) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:58:50 -0400 >> From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21441394479C3C9BEB383491DF0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> Sian: >> >> There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> dock." >> >> Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> micro country, seperated by adjoining >> territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> understand by living there. >> >> I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> Makes me want to ask what the >> list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> good. >> >> I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> >> Cheers: >> >> Stepehn >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> >> > Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> > visit >> > for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> > sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> > >> > Sian >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:28:59 -0400 >> From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [ORCADIA] cars on ferries >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP432B2614A749D1AEB5D57391DF0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> I guess the final point on this ferry service issue, is just how many >> out islanders heading to Kirkwall, actually take a car along. Then, >> how many of those cars are really needed? >> When the weather is bad, a car is a nice personal shelter. But >> loading a ferry with them has to be costly and somewhat restrictive >> as to volume/numbers on any given sailing. >> >> In our north, people have taken to little buggies which evolved from >> a sort of a cross between a golf cart and a AVT four wheel dirt bike. >> These things have room for two or four people, depending if they are >> the one or two seat model. They are enclosed, heated, and the seats >> afe comfortable with seat belts. They are available with a thrifty >> little diesel engine, and they will move along quite handily. These >> sorts of things didn't seem to be engaged much in Orkney, and I was >> wondering if that would change. To move people or a large grocery >> stock delivery, these things would be fine. They also have a little >> utility bed on the back, which is fine for equpment and heavier >> things. They cost a fraction of what a car does, and they serve the >> purpose better in some cases, especially in remote and rural areas >> where roads are not so good, or indeed non-esixtent. Farmers here >> love them for gdetting around their land, fixing fences, and checking >> livestock. >> >> I just don't understand what the qualifier is for deciding to take a >> car to Kirkwall to shop, if you live on another island. >> The world is backing off the oil consumption volumes. Looking at >> transportation values is a key point to using less fuel. >> >> Stephen >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:29:30 -0400 >> From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009601cb0e21$1f883180$5e989480$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first apologize for >> my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the >> discussions really have been about the area and various topics relating to >> it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue with the >> historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of >> preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. >> >> Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake even if >> he >> should know how to avoid doing so. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> >> I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. >> I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who feel the >> need for that constraint. >> >> - Rob Sutherland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:39:11 -0400 >> From: Janice Langland <callmejanice@aol.com> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <2C71D773-E13E-4278-A34D-1AD0A7BBEC32@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Jim, your apology is accepted with a warm heart. There are two lists >> on Orkney, and it's easy to mix them up. >> Janice >> >> >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jim Jackson wrote: >> >> > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first >> > apologize for >> > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the >> > discussions really have been about the area and various topics >> > relating to >> > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue >> > with the >> > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of >> > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. >> > >> > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake >> > even if he >> > should know how to avoid doing so. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > ] On >> > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM >> > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> > >> > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. >> > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who >> > feel the >> > need for that constraint. >> > >> > - Rob Sutherland >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:47:42 -0400 >> From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009701cb0e23$aa64ad40$ff2e07c0$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I meant to introduce myself in the previous post but haven't had enough >> coffee this morning to think straight. Of course this means it was too >> very >> late in the evening for my first message. >> >> I am Jim "Pops" Jackson and live in Smyrna, GA (USA). I have discovered >> that a major portion of my ancestry is English, Scots and Irish with most >> of >> it being English thanks to my mother's heritage. As such I have developed >> a >> keen interest in Rootsweb lists relating to the British Isles, hoping to >> learn more about the areas my ancestors called home. I have been active >> in >> Rootsweb for at least 10 years. It was still a rather young enterprise, >> operated by its developer/owners. At that time personal financial >> donations >> were accepted to help fund the project. >> >> The "Pops" comes from the name our first grandchild gave me. It has >> spilled >> over to other areas of my life since then. That granddaughter has >> recently >> blessed us with a great-grandson. With my wife's mother still living we >> can >> actually have five generations together at one time. I still have trouble >> conceiving of this since I am only 67 years "young" myself. My wife and I >> could actually live to see a great-great-grandchild. This is amazing to >> me >> since it is my paternal great-great-grandfather who has given me the most >> trouble in my genealogical pursuits. >> >> This is probably more information than you were asking for but then, you >> did >> ask. :) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of KJEMEM@aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:44 PM >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... >> >> Also understood it to be about Orkney in general, and genealogy to be >> discussed separately. >> >> And, we've had a custom of new people introducing themselves Who are >> you??? >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:12:09 -0500 >> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <77DB2B0B0B044F0EBCD811BD75FB2E11@Laptop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Stephen's an idiot. I am likewise fed up with his perpetual, unfounded >> bashing of the United States. He's like the Unabomber, living in a small >> cabin in the woods, tossing grenades over the border from time to time to >> satisfy some grudge he has against an entire country. Granted an ounce of >> prevention is worth a pound of cure. That was the problem in the Gulf. >> Stephen, why don't you direct that comment toward British Petroleum first, >> George Bush second, and then to Mr. Obama who has had his hands full with >> other problems created by the republicans and their disdain for regulation >> and for government in general. >> >> I congratulate the Canadians on their regulations as I understand they >> require oil companies to drill a second well at the time they drill the >> first. We are having to wait months for that, and it appears to be our >> only >> real hope in stopping this current problem. When I say we, I mostly mean >> BP. >> The US government is not in the business of drilling for oil or stopping >> leaks. >> >> As for your freedom, Stephen, you can thank the US for that. Your little >> cabin in the woods would belong to someone else if Canada had to depend on >> its own military to defend the country. Also, you can thank us for >> subsidizing your prescription drug prices as we have to pay the >> manufacturers more for the same drugs to make up for the discounts your >> government gets on them. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:27 PM >> Subject: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> >> >> An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as >> > Mr. Obama is discovering. >> > >> > Nite all.....Stephen >> > >> > I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my >> > own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I >> > believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. >> > This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." >> > - July 1, 1960. From the Canadian Bill of Rights. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:15:56 -0500 >> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <7FEBA2B32C944A0D97AD32E89F02D137@Laptop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to read >> up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you are >> so independent on your island there from the US. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> >> >> > Sian: >> > >> > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> > dock." >> > >> > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> > micro country, seperated by adjoining >> > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> > understand by living there. >> > >> > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> > Makes me want to ask what the >> > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> > good. >> > >> > I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> > >> > Cheers: >> > >> > Stepehn >> > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> > >> >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> >> visit >> >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> >> >> >> Sian >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:53:16 -0400 >> From: Slater Anne <slater.anne@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> To: orcadia@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <AANLkTim38W3Y0BZu9FSKd2yk0_rlDk4BC6Aq5eHLWTNR@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way >> you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive >> step forward. >> Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am >> not >> interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in >> general. >> >> Anne Slater >> "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as >> well >> as to face to face communication. >> *Thich Nhat Hanh >> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen <mikeridlen@earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to >> read >> > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you >> are >> > so independent on your island there from the US. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM >> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney >> > >> > >> > > Sian: >> > > >> > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> > > dock." >> > > >> > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> > > micro country, seperated by adjoining >> > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> > > understand by living there. >> > > >> > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> > > Makes me want to ask what the >> > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> > > good. >> > > >> > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> > > >> > > Cheers: >> > > >> > > Stepehn >> > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> > > >> > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >> > >> visit >> > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >> > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >> > >> >> > >> Sian >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of ORCADIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 >> ************************************** >> > > > > -- > Nan Fowler > Adult Education Program > Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy > River's Crossing, 4th Floor > 850 College Station Road > University of Georgia > Athens, GA USA 30602 > -- Nan Fowler Adult Education Program Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy River's Crossing, 4th Floor 850 College Station Road University of Georgia Athens, GA USA 30602

"I also wonder why any one person would be designated the "administrator" among a group of free thinking and speaking individuals, and what "any means necessary" to stop a discussion of a particular topic might be. " ************ Rootsweb List administrators have existed as long as have the lists themselves. One reason for having administrators is to ensure that the Acceptable Use Policy (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/aup.html) established by Rootsweb (the folks who give us these lists at no expense to ourselves). Hateful speech, name calling and just plain ugliness of character are not allowed here. That's one "price" we pay for a free forum. By the way, list administrators are volunteers for the most part. Even when Rootsweb/Ancestry paid staff adopt lists as administrators, they do it as volunteers. No one is paid to administrate a list except for those which have not been officially adopted and require someone to at least "babysit" them to ensure enforcement of the AUP mentioned above. We give hours each day due to our love for genealogy and the enjoyment of participating in the Rootsweb/Ancestry community. Jim

I asked politely for us not to carry on with flaming of one another and to communicate in respectful ways. Since certain ones have chosen to ignore my request I have placed the list on a moderated status and will decide which messages get through and which ones do not. Anyone who insists on attempting to send hurtful messages will be unsubscribed. We are intelligent individuals, have our own political leanings and know the difference between respectful disagreement and outright ugliness. I hope you will all feel free to continue to make your contributions to discussions. Your messages will be a little slower in getting through since I will have to read each one first before deciding to pass it on. If your message is not allowed you will receive a note explaining why. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding. Jim

All, "I am a ___________ (fill in your nationality here), free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." Is there any of us who do not feel free to accept this creed? We all live, fortunately, in free societies and none of us has a corner on the market of liberty. Canada is a wonderful country, but so is Great Britain, the USA, and virtually all of Western Europe, most of South America, Australia, and on and on. The places in the world where such freedoms do not exist are becoming ever more the minority. As for the perhaps unnecessarily nasty posts from Mike, I re-read Stephen's messages and did not see any sign of idiocy, or did I miss one or two? Perhaps Mike could tell us what he was responding to. Tuck On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:41 AM, <marion@fairpoint.net> wrote: > It wasn't McLeod!!!!!!! > I am not a US hater! Clean up your act! It still isn't called > for to > call someone an idiot! > Marion Brooks from Maine!!!!!!!!!! (USA!!!!!!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > >> It was called for, McLeod. Maybe you haven't been reading what >> Stephen >> has >> been posting or maybe you also hate the US and want to kill our >> beautiful >> beaches and shrimp and birds with the filthy oil spill which Stephen >> blames >> on Obama. He always gets his facts wrong when it comes to bashing >> the US. >> Just because he's on a site with other US haters like you doesn't >> make him >> right. He needs to keep his mouth shut. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <marion@fairpoint.net> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> >> >>> Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! >>> Marion from Maine >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >>> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >>> >>> >>>> Stephen's an idiot. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Having grown up in small town northern Maine with its history of town meeting and Roberts Rules of Order, I would ask that name calling of other members of the list cease immediately. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM, <orcadia-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (stephen davie) > 2. cars on ferries (stephen davie) > 3. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) > 4. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Janice Langland) > 5. Re: Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... (Jim Jackson) > 6. Re: Ferry Tales... (Mike Ridlen) > 7. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Mike Ridlen) > 8. Re: New high speed ferry for Orkney (Slater Anne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:58:50 -0400 > From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21441394479C3C9BEB383491DF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Sian: > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > dock." > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > micro country, seperated by adjoining > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > understand by living there. > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > Makes me want to ask what the > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > good. > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > Cheers: > > Stepehn > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > > visit > > for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > > sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > > > > Sian > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:28:59 -0400 > From: stephen davie <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [ORCADIA] cars on ferries > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP432B2614A749D1AEB5D57391DF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I guess the final point on this ferry service issue, is just how many > out islanders heading to Kirkwall, actually take a car along. Then, > how many of those cars are really needed? > When the weather is bad, a car is a nice personal shelter. But > loading a ferry with them has to be costly and somewhat restrictive > as to volume/numbers on any given sailing. > > In our north, people have taken to little buggies which evolved from > a sort of a cross between a golf cart and a AVT four wheel dirt bike. > These things have room for two or four people, depending if they are > the one or two seat model. They are enclosed, heated, and the seats > afe comfortable with seat belts. They are available with a thrifty > little diesel engine, and they will move along quite handily. These > sorts of things didn't seem to be engaged much in Orkney, and I was > wondering if that would change. To move people or a large grocery > stock delivery, these things would be fine. They also have a little > utility bed on the back, which is fine for equpment and heavier > things. They cost a fraction of what a car does, and they serve the > purpose better in some cases, especially in remote and rural areas > where roads are not so good, or indeed non-esixtent. Farmers here > love them for gdetting around their land, fixing fences, and checking > livestock. > > I just don't understand what the qualifier is for deciding to take a > car to Kirkwall to shop, if you live on another island. > The world is backing off the oil consumption volumes. Looking at > transportation values is a key point to using less fuel. > > Stephen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:29:30 -0400 > From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009601cb0e21$1f883180$5e989480$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first apologize for > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the > discussions really have been about the area and various topics relating to > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue with the > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. > > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake even if he > should know how to avoid doing so. > > Best wishes, > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who feel the > need for that constraint. > > - Rob Sutherland > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:39:11 -0400 > From: Janice Langland <callmejanice@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <2C71D773-E13E-4278-A34D-1AD0A7BBEC32@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Jim, your apology is accepted with a warm heart. There are two lists > on Orkney, and it's easy to mix them up. > Janice > > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > It seems I have "leaped before looking..." and so must first > > apologize for > > my error. In looking back over the archives I have found that the > > discussions really have been about the area and various topics > > relating to > > it. Please overlook my earlier missal and feel free to continue > > with the > > historical use of this list. The real constraint would be that of > > preventing "flaming" and otherwise angry responses to one another. > > > > Thanks for allowing an old codger to make the occasional mistake > > even if he > > should know how to avoid doing so. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com > > ] On > > Behalf Of Sutherland, Robert > > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:11 PM > > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > > > I was under the impression that this was an Orkney oriented list. > > I thought there were other genealogy-limited lists for those who > > feel the > > need for that constraint. > > > > - Rob Sutherland > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:47:42 -0400 > From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009701cb0e23$aa64ad40$ff2e07c0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I meant to introduce myself in the previous post but haven't had enough > coffee this morning to think straight. Of course this means it was too > very > late in the evening for my first message. > > I am Jim "Pops" Jackson and live in Smyrna, GA (USA). I have discovered > that a major portion of my ancestry is English, Scots and Irish with most > of > it being English thanks to my mother's heritage. As such I have developed > a > keen interest in Rootsweb lists relating to the British Isles, hoping to > learn more about the areas my ancestors called home. I have been active in > Rootsweb for at least 10 years. It was still a rather young enterprise, > operated by its developer/owners. At that time personal financial > donations > were accepted to help fund the project. > > The "Pops" comes from the name our first grandchild gave me. It has > spilled > over to other areas of my life since then. That granddaughter has recently > blessed us with a great-grandson. With my wife's mother still living we > can > actually have five generations together at one time. I still have trouble > conceiving of this since I am only 67 years "young" myself. My wife and I > could actually live to see a great-great-grandchild. This is amazing to me > since it is my paternal great-great-grandfather who has given me the most > trouble in my genealogical pursuits. > > This is probably more information than you were asking for but then, you > did > ask. :) > > Best wishes, > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of KJEMEM@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:44 PM > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... > > Also understood it to be about Orkney in general, and genealogy to be > discussed separately. > > And, we've had a custom of new people introducing themselves Who are > you??? > > Karen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:12:09 -0500 > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <77DB2B0B0B044F0EBCD811BD75FB2E11@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Stephen's an idiot. I am likewise fed up with his perpetual, unfounded > bashing of the United States. He's like the Unabomber, living in a small > cabin in the woods, tossing grenades over the border from time to time to > satisfy some grudge he has against an entire country. Granted an ounce of > prevention is worth a pound of cure. That was the problem in the Gulf. > Stephen, why don't you direct that comment toward British Petroleum first, > George Bush second, and then to Mr. Obama who has had his hands full with > other problems created by the republicans and their disdain for regulation > and for government in general. > > I congratulate the Canadians on their regulations as I understand they > require oil companies to drill a second well at the time they drill the > first. We are having to wait months for that, and it appears to be our > only > real hope in stopping this current problem. When I say we, I mostly mean > BP. > The US government is not in the business of drilling for oil or stopping > leaks. > > As for your freedom, Stephen, you can thank the US for that. Your little > cabin in the woods would belong to someone else if Canada had to depend on > its own military to defend the country. Also, you can thank us for > subsidizing your prescription drug prices as we have to pay the > manufacturers more for the same drugs to make up for the discounts your > government gets on them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:27 PM > Subject: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > > An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as > > Mr. Obama is discovering. > > > > Nite all.....Stephen > > > > I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my > > own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I > > believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. > > This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." > > - July 1, 1960. From the Canadian Bill of Rights. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:15:56 -0500 > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7FEBA2B32C944A0D97AD32E89F02D137@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to read > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you are > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > > > Sian: > > > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > > dock." > > > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > > micro country, seperated by adjoining > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > > understand by living there. > > > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > > Makes me want to ask what the > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > > good. > > > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > > > Cheers: > > > > Stepehn > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > >> visit > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > >> > >> Sian > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:53:16 -0400 > From: Slater Anne <slater.anne@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > To: orcadia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTim38W3Y0BZu9FSKd2yk0_rlDk4BC6Aq5eHLWTNR@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way > you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive > step forward. > Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am not > interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in > general. > > Anne Slater > "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as > well > as to face to face communication. > *Thich Nhat Hanh > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen <mikeridlen@earthlink.net > >wrote: > > > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to > read > > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you > are > > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > > > > > > Sian: > > > > > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > > > dock." > > > > > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > > > micro country, seperated by adjoining > > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > > > understand by living there. > > > > > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > > > Makes me want to ask what the > > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > > > good. > > > > > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > > > > > Cheers: > > > > > > Stepehn > > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > > > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > > >> visit > > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > > >> > > >> Sian > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of ORCADIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > ************************************** > -- Nan Fowler Adult Education Program Department of Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy River's Crossing, 4th Floor 850 College Station Road University of Georgia Athens, GA USA 30602

It wasn't McLeod!!!!!!! I am not a US hater! Clean up your act! It still isn't called for to call someone an idiot! Marion Brooks from Maine!!!!!!!!!! (USA!!!!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > It was called for, McLeod. Maybe you haven't been reading what Stephen > has > been posting or maybe you also hate the US and want to kill our beautiful > beaches and shrimp and birds with the filthy oil spill which Stephen > blames > on Obama. He always gets his facts wrong when it comes to bashing the US. > Just because he's on a site with other US haters like you doesn't make him > right. He needs to keep his mouth shut. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <marion@fairpoint.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > >> Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! >> Marion from Maine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> >> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... >> >> >>> Stephen's an idiot. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is time that this malicious slanging match stopped. In a message dated 17/06/2010 16:34:21 GMT Daylight Time, mikeridlen@earthlink.net writes: It was called for, McLeod. Maybe you haven't been reading what Stephen has been posting or maybe you also hate the US and want to kill our beautiful beaches and shrimp and birds with the filthy oil spill which Stephen blames on Obama. He always gets his facts wrong when it comes to bashing the US. Just because he's on a site with other US haters like you doesn't make him right. He needs to keep his mouth shut. ----- Original Message ----- From: <marion@fairpoint.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! > Marion from Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > >> Stephen's an idiot. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, I believe we should not write something to or about someone that we would not say to their face. And oh yes, fast boats are fine. I was being a bit tongue in cheek about Orkney living the slow pace. Tuck On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:08 AM, <marion@fairpoint.net> wrote: > Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! > Marion from Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > >> Stephen's an idiot. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

All, It seems pretty clear that, though genealogy is an interesting topic to many, it is not the only topic of discussion on this link, but only part of the wider subject of Orkney in general. I also wonder why any one person would be designated the "administrator" among a group of free thinking and speaking individuals, and what "any means necessary" to stop a discussion of a particular topic might be. I, for one, am far more comfortable with a wide ranging and open discussion without such rules. There is plenty to discuss about Orkney - and the rest of the world - to keep us busy. As for the rest of the world, the oil spill in the Gulf is rather like a fellow bleeding profusely from his leg, and when the flow of blood is pointed out he says, "Oh, that's not my problem. That's the leg's problem." The disaster - and it is turning into a disaster of a magnitude way beyond the wildest fears when it first happened, and with no real end in sight - is a world wide problem. We have the seven seas, and they are the only seas we have, and they are the basis of all life on earth. We are fouling them horrendously, not just with an oil leak, but with huge dead zones from fertilizer runoff, and with massive circling wads of garbage, some larger than Texas, in the Pacific and other seas. We have nearly fished cod out of existence, we are drastically reducing stocks of many other species on which we depend for life itself. How far will we go before we, as a species ourselves, wake up and realize all nations, all people need to take stock of what we have done and are continuing to do to our precious waters, and not just seas, but fresh waters as well. Here in Indiana we are very concerned about Asian Carp, an imported species which grows rapidly and voraciously eats nearly all other aquatic life. They are in the Mississippi and getting closer and closer to Lake Michigan, which would be seriously damaged if they get in. The Mississippi and Lake Michigan are connected by a ship canal, and the carp are regularly moving past any barriers set up to stop them, growing closer and closer. But the government will not block the canal and close it permanently because it might cost some shippers some money - never mind the thousands of times more dollars lost if the fish reach the lake. Pay me now or pay me later. This is symptomatic of the cavalier short sighted way we are treating this world, and believe me, Orcadians, it will come to your shores as well, at which point discussions of genealogy will most clearly be upstaged by more urgent concerns. Tuck On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen wrote: > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want > to read > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that > you are > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > >> Sian: >> >> There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, >> being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in >> Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your >> own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry >> pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of >> message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And >> "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the >> dock." >> >> Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat >> unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little >> micro country, seperated by adjoining >> territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. >> There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The >> idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the >> winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual >> attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only >> understand by living there. >> >> I have read now for years your postings about your life where you >> live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >> Makes me want to ask what the >> list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and >> lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible >> islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When >> they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was >> good. >> >> I guess that fact is still unchanged. >> >> Cheers: >> >> Stepehn >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: >> >>> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists >>> visit >>> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - >>> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) >>> >>> Sian >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! Marion from Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > Stephen's an idiot.

Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive step forward. Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am not interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in general. Anne Slater "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as well as to face to face communication. *Thich Nhat Hanh On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Ridlen <mikeridlen@earthlink.net>wrote: > Your isolation explains much about your insolence. You might want to read > up on the Japanese and World War II to wipe away that feeling that you are > so independent on your island there from the US. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > > > > Sian: > > > > There is something unique about the sense of isolation one feels, > > being on an island. As one who actually lives on an outer island in > > Orkney, I wonder if you still feel that sense of being off on your > > own. For a tourist visiting one of the smaller islands, the ferry > > pulling away from the dock and abandoning them, is a subtle sort of > > message to say that, "Well, you're going to be here for awhile!" And > > "Don't even think about leaving until you see theferry back at the > > dock." > > > > Here, on the Manitoulin, people find being an islander to be somewhat > > unique. It is as if being on an island is rather like being a little > > micro country, seperated by adjoining > > territories by water. Some people refuse to leave for any reason. > > There is an insular sense of security in living on an island. The > > idea of living on one of the Orkney out islands, particularly in the > > winter, makes me think that there must be almost a spiritual > > attraction for those tucked away places, that you could only > > understand by living there. > > > > I have read now for years your postings about your life where you > > live, and I conclude that you wouldn't want to live anywhere else. > > Makes me want to ask what the > > list entails, that encompasses the values and ammenities and > > lifestyle that keep you there. People lived on those incredible > > islets long before there were engines, ferries, and tourists. When > > they wern't involved in far away conflicts, or local ones, life was > > good. > > > > I guess that fact is still unchanged. > > > > Cheers: > > > > Stepehn > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Sian Thomas wrote: > > > >> Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists > >> visit > >> for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - > >> sometimes time is of the essence ;-) > >> > >> Sian > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It was called for, McLeod. Maybe you haven't been reading what Stephen has been posting or maybe you also hate the US and want to kill our beautiful beaches and shrimp and birds with the filthy oil spill which Stephen blames on Obama. He always gets his facts wrong when it comes to bashing the US. Just because he's on a site with other US haters like you doesn't make him right. He needs to keep his mouth shut. ----- Original Message ----- From: <marion@fairpoint.net> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > Not called for and not very nice either Ridlen! > Marion from Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ridlen" <mikeridlen@earthlink.net> > To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... > > >> Stephen's an idiot. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm pretty sure that Stephen can't be hurt after I've read the many hurtful posts which have never ceased coming from him over the years. After all, if he were concerned about being hurt, he would stop instigating. He can remain unnoticed forever up there in the wilderness for all we care. There is nothing we need from him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slater Anne" <slater.anne@gmail.com> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] New high speed ferry for Orkney > Mike, while I (may) agree with what you are saying, I suggest that the way > you are saying it is possibly quite hurtful, and definitely not a positive > step forward. > Stephen, I am interested in your take on living the isolated life. I am > not > interested in your political views, which do not bear on island life in > general. > > Anne Slater > "Deep listening and loving speech*" applies to written communication as > well > as to face to face communication. > *Thich Nhat Hanh >

This is becoming very nasty and personal, and nothing to do with Orkney. Yours, Geoffrey In a message dated 17/06/2010 15:19:14 GMT Daylight Time, mikeridlen@earthlink.net writes: Stephen's an idiot. I am likewise fed up with his perpetual, unfounded bashing of the United States. He's like the Unabomber, living in a small cabin in the woods, tossing grenades over the border from time to time to satisfy some grudge he has against an entire country. Granted an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That was the problem in the Gulf. Stephen, why don't you direct that comment toward British Petroleum first, George Bush second, and then to Mr. Obama who has had his hands full with other problems created by the republicans and their disdain for regulation and for government in general. I congratulate the Canadians on their regulations as I understand they require oil companies to drill a second well at the time they drill the first. We are having to wait months for that, and it appears to be our only real hope in stopping this current problem. When I say we, I mostly mean BP. The US government is not in the business of drilling for oil or stopping leaks. As for your freedom, Stephen, you can thank the US for that. Your little cabin in the woods would belong to someone else if Canada had to depend on its own military to defend the country. Also, you can thank us for subsidizing your prescription drug prices as we have to pay the manufacturers more for the same drugs to make up for the discounts your government gets on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <orcadia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: [ORCADIA] Ferry Tales... An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as > Mr. Obama is discovering. > > Nite all.....Stephen > > I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my > own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I > believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. > This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind." > - July 1, 1960. From the Canadian Bill of Rights. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last for today. Transport in Orkney needs thinking for the future. Fixed links between the North Isles would create an area about the size of the Mainland. Services such as health and education would be transformed. The possibilities for economic development are immense. Equally joining Hoy to Stromness via Graemsay would have great benefits. The sleepy little island mentality is just that and needs thinking far out of the box. We have oil funds to invest and the Norwegians have the expertise, so why not just get on with it? But I like most Orcadians am 100% against a Pentland Firth tunnel. -- Charles Tait Photographic Limited, Kelton, St Ola, Orkney, UK KW15 1TR Tel 01856 873738 Fax 01856 875313 Mobile 07785 220269 All outgoing and incoming mail is checked by Norton Antivirus email charles.tait@zetnet.co.uk website http://www.charles-tait.co.uk photo gallery http://gallery.charlestait.com Charles Tait Photographic Limited Company Number SC240761 Warning: This email is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any sale, usage, distribution or copying of this email or its attachment(s) is strictly forbidden. If you have received this message by mistake please notify us. It may contain data that is copyright,confidential or otherwise not for distribution.

I meant to introduce myself in the previous post but haven't had enough coffee this morning to think straight. Of course this means it was too very late in the evening for my first message. I am Jim "Pops" Jackson and live in Smyrna, GA (USA). I have discovered that a major portion of my ancestry is English, Scots and Irish with most of it being English thanks to my mother's heritage. As such I have developed a keen interest in Rootsweb lists relating to the British Isles, hoping to learn more about the areas my ancestors called home. I have been active in Rootsweb for at least 10 years. It was still a rather young enterprise, operated by its developer/owners. At that time personal financial donations were accepted to help fund the project. The "Pops" comes from the name our first grandchild gave me. It has spilled over to other areas of my life since then. That granddaughter has recently blessed us with a great-grandson. With my wife's mother still living we can actually have five generations together at one time. I still have trouble conceiving of this since I am only 67 years "young" myself. My wife and I could actually live to see a great-great-grandchild. This is amazing to me since it is my paternal great-great-grandfather who has given me the most trouble in my genealogical pursuits. This is probably more information than you were asking for but then, you did ask. :) Best wishes, Jim -----Original Message----- From: orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orcadia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KJEMEM@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:44 PM To: orcadia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Admin Note RE: Ferries, Oil, and Fears.... Also understood it to be about Orkney in general, and genealogy to be discussed separately. And, we've had a custom of new people introducing themselves Who are you??? Karen

Many folk move here for a "slower" pace of life, and many tourists visit for that reason. However for those of us that live and work here - sometimes time is of the essence ;-) Sian On 17/06/2010 02:29, Tuck wrote: > I'd rather thought that the essence of Orkney was not about speed. > > > Tuck > On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Bruce Fletcher wrote: > > >> You have to put up with an advert at the start of the clip! >> <http://video.stv.tv/bc/news-070610-n1-ferry> >> -- >> Bruce Fletcher >> Stronsay, Orkney >> <http://claremont.islandblogging.co.uk> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2941 - Release Date: 06/16/10 07:35:00 > >

On 17/06/2010 02:42, Tuck wrote: > Anne, > > Does not the Kirkwall Hospital have a helicopter for emergency > airlifts? T he quotes I heard on the video clip were about football > teams getting to matches, not appendectomies. > > Sure, having a fast boat is a good idea, but let's hope it doesn't > spur so many more that the lovely slower ferries are pinched out of > business. Of course they won't be, since the small fast boats can't > carry cars, cows, nor much else but people. > > As for the oil spill in the Gulf, it is a world problem, not a local > one. And as for this link being only about genealogy, I never heard > that and wouldn't be interested if it was so limited. > > Tuck The Balfour hospital in Kirkwall doesn't have a helicopter, they use the Scottish Ambulance Service's helicopter which is based in Inverness. <www.scottishambulanceservice.co.uk/air_ambulance.htm> The Loganair aircraft (which provide air links between Kirkwall and Stronsay, Sanday, Eday, Westry and North Ronaldsay) used to be used as air ambulances but that changed about 3 years ago. My wife, Maureen, was taken from Stronsay to Kirkwall by Loganair aircraft at 8 pm when she had a severe nose-bleed in 2004. The new fast ferry runs a scheduled service but outside these times it is also available for hire by groups of people. -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney <http://claremont.islandblogging.co.uk>

Wrong -- The "Admin note" was not from the administrator of BOTH the Orcadia and Orkney mailing list. I am the administrator of the ORKNEY list -- whose pet peeve is people who don't edit their post in order to keep the size of the post for those receiving digest mode. Factor in that it makes it easier to follow who is responding to whom and it makes it easier to ensure that posters are discussing in a manner befitting mature individuals. Regards, Dennice Goudie British Columbia, Canada