just two remarks: > As one who has stood inside Maeshowe many years ago and been entranced, I'd like to ask the question what, precisely, we would be saving such monuments for, if we were to close them to tourism to preserve them? That's not the question, but if we don't start to protect and manage such monuments properly our grandchildren will have no chance to see them as we can see them today. > I can also remember visiting Stonehenge, before the barriers.... So do I - and that is why I was really angry, when I watched a very curious midsummer sun ceremony carried out by some obscure "Druids" at the Stones of Stennes in June, 1999. First the sinsang and words with almighty Gods followed by a little bit of "picking the stones" when the show was over - just to take something "material" back home to remember this "spiritual" event and the magnificent site.

Hi Marion Don't take your cold weather to Orkney please - just yourself! See you Tuesday hopefully - if all your travel goes well. Marion web pages at www.btinternet.com/~marion.mcleod http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/c/l/Marion-A-Mcleod www.photobox.co.uk/marion.mcleod@btinternet.com

Amen, Peggy! Charlie in Washington state ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Stone" <PeggyStone263@msn.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [<orcadia>] For our grandchildren > I don't think I have any quarrel with Wolfgang about taking care to preserve monuments, or with the idiocy of people with so-called "spiritual" agendas helping to destroy what they worship. Most Christians would not pick away at St. Peter's or Canterbury Cathedral so they could be reminded of their own holiness! (Though they make up for it in the less destructive but still unsightly marketing and buying of crosses and statuettes - and over time, wear away the stones.) Perhaps it is the way that ancient monuments are more in tune "with nature" that makes these types think they can cart bits away as if they were merely stray rocks. (Their own trappings seem to me to verge on the ridiculous... and not at all in tune with nature, which requests that we not call attention to ourselves.) > > However, a slight nit-pick with the often-cited agenda of preserving things for "our grandchildren." As a childless person with many childless friends (who has nonetheless loved other friends' children), I'd rather be concerned about doing something because it is right, because it preserves beauty or helps the environment, or because even in THIS generation, I would like to enjoy clean water, clean air, an ecology in balance, and (for that matter) my taxes being spent on healthcare and education rather than armaments and paranoid government programs. Why are children more worthy of decent health-care than the aged or middle-aged, so that we set up minimal care programs that end at age 18? Yes, they need a good start, but don't we also need a good middle... and a good end? Is the experience and vulnerability of the old less important than the innocence and vulnerability of the young? When our now-governor Schwarzenegger began chanting "for the children" to get elected, I! > cringed. And now that he has been elected (and I don't envy him his impossible task), he has spearheaded cut-backs that affect both "the children" and the rest of us. > > Whether for ourselves or our descendants, the need for preserving both natural and man-made beauty remains. (I almost quoted Tolkien here, that virtue is not one thing for Men and another for Elves!) However, there will be no monuments for "our" grandchildren to inherit (and no grandchildren to inherit it) if the ecological crisis overwhelms us. > > If only the cost of pollution were factored into prices, how much our consumer habits might alter (and we might welcome windmills, as our ancestors welcomed smokestacks that made goods cheaper!). In any case, better that "my" view be altered by windmills (until less obtrusive technology comes along) than maintain a clear view of darkening skies and polluted bays > > Peggy Stone > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

I don't think I have any quarrel with Wolfgang about taking care to preserve monuments, or with the idiocy of people with so-called "spiritual" agendas helping to destroy what they worship. Most Christians would not pick away at St. Peter's or Canterbury Cathedral so they could be reminded of their own holiness! (Though they make up for it in the less destructive but still unsightly marketing and buying of crosses and statuettes - and over time, wear away the stones.) Perhaps it is the way that ancient monuments are more in tune "with nature" that makes these types think they can cart bits away as if they were merely stray rocks. (Their own trappings seem to me to verge on the ridiculous... and not at all in tune with nature, which requests that we not call attention to ourselves.) However, a slight nit-pick with the often-cited agenda of preserving things for "our grandchildren." As a childless person with many childless friends (who has nonetheless loved other friends' children), I'd rather be concerned about doing something because it is right, because it preserves beauty or helps the environment, or because even in THIS generation, I would like to enjoy clean water, clean air, an ecology in balance, and (for that matter) my taxes being spent on healthcare and education rather than armaments and paranoid government programs. Why are children more worthy of decent health-care than the aged or middle-aged, so that we set up minimal care programs that end at age 18? Yes, they need a good start, but don't we also need a good middle... and a good end? Is the experience and vulnerability of the old less important than the innocence and vulnerability of the young? When our now-governor Schwarzenegger began chanting "for the children" to get elected, I! cringed. And now that he has been elected (and I don't envy him his impossible task), he has spearheaded cut-backs that affect both "the children" and the rest of us. Whether for ourselves or our descendants, the need for preserving both natural and man-made beauty remains. (I almost quoted Tolkien here, that virtue is not one thing for Men and another for Elves!) However, there will be no monuments for "our" grandchildren to inherit (and no grandchildren to inherit it) if the ecological crisis overwhelms us. If only the cost of pollution were factored into prices, how much our consumer habits might alter (and we might welcome windmills, as our ancestors welcomed smokestacks that made goods cheaper!). In any case, better that "my" view be altered by windmills (until less obtrusive technology comes along) than maintain a clear view of darkening skies and polluted bays Peggy Stone

Greetings everyone! I will be unsubscribing from the list in a couple of days - God willing, I will be on my way to Orkney from COLD Maine, USA. . yipeeeeeeeeee > According to Historic Scotland, their initial findings indicate that > Increasing visitor numbers is not having a detrimental effect on one of > Orkney's top visitor attractions. >

So, I'm not alone. You are right on the money, Peggy, in my view. On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 05:31 PM, Peggy Stone wrote: > As one who has stood inside Maeshowe many years ago and been > entranced, I'd like to ask the question what, precisely, we would be > saving such monuments for, if we were to close them to tourism to > preserve them? Obviously, everything that can be done to protect them > should be done, but if that were to mean barring them from the general > public or opening them only to archaeologists, it would be a sad > thing. I can also remember visiting Stonehenge, before the > barriers.... > > The question has even more serious meaning in light of the growing > risk of true ecological disasters, which are far more pressing. If we > succeed in killing ourselves as a species, due to overpopulation, > global warming, or merely find Orkney buried under new glaciers, it > won't mean much that some old stone monuments, however meaningful to > human history, have been marred by being breathed upon, or had their > stones worn away a fraction. > > I have also spent some time in Pompeii, and am thankful I had the > chance, given the very real possibility that Vesuvius will erupt and > the whole place will be buried afresh in my lifetime. Should I, then, > not have tramped around it? > > I'm actually far more worried about eco-tourism, in which people with > too much money and curiosity rush to "unspoiled" places only to spoil > them with their leavings (good God, look at the trash-filled slopes of > Everest), though if the choice is between a completely demolished > habitat and one that has been saved because tourists pay better than > poachers, so be it. (This cannot be said of Everest. Not being a > mountain climber, I cannot imagine what thrill there is in risking > others' lives so that one can be the thousandth-and-something person > to stand in a given spot for 15 oxygen-depleted minutes of one's > personal fame. And not even to bother to stash one's trash....) > > At any rate, we do over-estimate how "lasting" are any of our human > monuments. Just as there is no point in locking great artworks in a > vault to "preserve" them from anyone but the curators, I think the > accomplishments of the past should be saved, as much as possible, from > damage and pollution, but with no true hope of immortality. How many > of Praxiteles' statues will we never see? How many books burned with > the library of Alexandria? > > Meanwhile, I recall being somewhat sickened even in the '70s at the > amount of trash casually tossed around Stromness Bay, and protesting > to native Orcadians about it, who appeared puzzled that it should > matter. In those days, when we American baby boomers had been taught > a horror of littering, and I would as soon commit theft as fail to > hang onto my trash until I found a proper bin for it, I was utterly > nauseated in my travels around Scotland - surely one of the most > awesomely beautiful countries on earth - to find schoolchildren (and > adults) tossing chips bags straight out the window of the bus, as > readily in the most beautiful glens of the Highlands as the dirtiest > streets in London. Well, our freeway verges may have caught up with > yours, but it doesn't make me any less sick. > > So, given the choice, I'd worry less about Maeshowe and more about > Kirkwall's city dump, or the effects of oil spills, or anything else > that ruins the beauty (and sustainability) of an earth that all the > architects and artists in the world could never duplicate. > > Peggy Stone > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

when my wee missus and I come to visit we'll do our best to assist your economy . . .want to have lunch with Sigurd and Charles and all the Lads and Lasses and buy pints all round. . . . . . .then go see the Brough of Birsay and the replica of the Three Nobles stone and see the design on the Pictish shield the copy of which is here above my desk . . cant wait . . .rumor has it you Lads have - - - - - - - -boats too! . . I'll buy if you Captain steve and becky breckenridge

As one who has stood inside Maeshowe many years ago and been entranced, I'd like to ask the question what, precisely, we would be saving such monuments for, if we were to close them to tourism to preserve them? Obviously, everything that can be done to protect them should be done, but if that were to mean barring them from the general public or opening them only to archaeologists, it would be a sad thing. I can also remember visiting Stonehenge, before the barriers.... The question has even more serious meaning in light of the growing risk of true ecological disasters, which are far more pressing. If we succeed in killing ourselves as a species, due to overpopulation, global warming, or merely find Orkney buried under new glaciers, it won't mean much that some old stone monuments, however meaningful to human history, have been marred by being breathed upon, or had their stones worn away a fraction. I have also spent some time in Pompeii, and am thankful I had the chance, given the very real possibility that Vesuvius will erupt and the whole place will be buried afresh in my lifetime. Should I, then, not have tramped around it? I'm actually far more worried about eco-tourism, in which people with too much money and curiosity rush to "unspoiled" places only to spoil them with their leavings (good God, look at the trash-filled slopes of Everest), though if the choice is between a completely demolished habitat and one that has been saved because tourists pay better than poachers, so be it. (This cannot be said of Everest. Not being a mountain climber, I cannot imagine what thrill there is in risking others' lives so that one can be the thousandth-and-something person to stand in a given spot for 15 oxygen-depleted minutes of one's personal fame. And not even to bother to stash one's trash....) At any rate, we do over-estimate how "lasting" are any of our human monuments. Just as there is no point in locking great artworks in a vault to "preserve" them from anyone but the curators, I think the accomplishments of the past should be saved, as much as possible, from damage and pollution, but with no true hope of immortality. How many of Praxiteles' statues will we never see? How many books burned with the library of Alexandria? Meanwhile, I recall being somewhat sickened even in the '70s at the amount of trash casually tossed around Stromness Bay, and protesting to native Orcadians about it, who appeared puzzled that it should matter. In those days, when we American baby boomers had been taught a horror of littering, and I would as soon commit theft as fail to hang onto my trash until I found a proper bin for it, I was utterly nauseated in my travels around Scotland - surely one of the most awesomely beautiful countries on earth - to find schoolchildren (and adults) tossing chips bags straight out the window of the bus, as readily in the most beautiful glens of the Highlands as the dirtiest streets in London. Well, our freeway verges may have caught up with yours, but it doesn't make me any less sick. So, given the choice, I'd worry less about Maeshowe and more about Kirkwall's city dump, or the effects of oil spills, or anything else that ruins the beauty (and sustainability) of an earth that all the architects and artists in the world could never duplicate. Peggy Stone

----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [<orcadia>] Orkney Environmental Protection and the Kirkwall Dump > I personally think > abandoned military defense implants make crappy tourist attractions. I don't know about all- the Norman castles along the Welsh marches are lovely this time of year. > > > Health and the environment become fascinating intrinsic topics when > studied. Over here, people are afraid to eat beef because of Mad Cow > Disease In Canada more, not less beef was eaten after the 1st Mad Cow was discovered in Alberta several . >The consumer's only flaw is trust....blind stupid trust. Most people don't want to know where their food comes from. On this island -where all our water is from groundwater-thousands of fish are killed in streams every year because of pesticides washing off potato fields...we grew over 100,000 acres of potatoes last year-very few organically -and farmers are going broke because they can't sell their crop because of good crops in Europe/USA. Next spring the back fields will be full of rotting unsold potatoes. > Wind generated power seems a logical Orkney option. We supply approx 5 % of our energy here on PEI through wind generators- yet there is a huge outcry-both from natives & come-from-aways who don't want the scenery spoiled by more windmills. Same reaction in Wales. > > . Who would come first in the face of another oil discovery near those islands? The oil companies are testing offshore here-near Nova Scotia- fishermen/women are protesting...the gov't listened (briefly) and then allowed the oil cos in anyway. And really all we have left here is lobster, some crab, and herring. And the odd tuna. The cod & hake are long gone, never to return. > > Hum Bug you say? No- keep spreading the word. For the next generation's sake. Thompson in Prince Edward Island > > Stephen > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

I was wondering just how the bureaucrats in Orkney have organized their mandate to protect Orkney from the world's man-made assaults on nature...items such as waste disposal, re-cycling, sewage waste handling, and air quality protection, as well as ground water and sea water issues. From what I read, it seems that the population was in the order of 30,000 back when in the 1700's a lot of young chaps decided to chase beaver in Canada or kangaroos down under in Australia. So the population shrunk, which is a blessing for the environment, so it seems, initially. Then of course the Nazis decided to demolish and devour the British Isles, in an effort to relieve Winston Churchill of his cigars. I assume in Orkney there is still a lot of wartime rubbish, be they buildings or scrap metal or other structures, that never perhaps were dismantled and removed, laying and speaking forever of a Germany despised by every human being capable of human love. ( If WW2 scrap remains on Orkney, perhaps the cleanup bill should go to Germany. That would make as much sense as the Allies rebuilding Germany after the war ended. They(nazis) were never tried or fined for the damage they caused to the environment at sea and on land). I personally think abandoned military defense implants make crappy tourist attractions. I saw on a map outside Kirkwall, too close to Grimbister, a shot of their landfill site, or otherwise "bury and forget" dumpsite. It shocked me to the bone. It left me, for example, wondering if re-cycling exists and to what extent. How about ground water management and fresh water source management and identification? Household sewage is another. And where does the resultant sludge go from the sewage treatment plants associated with towns? Is that poison sprayed on farms for "fertilizer", or chucked onto the sea for the fish to choke on like in other places? Health and the environment become fascinating intrinsic topics when studied. Over here, people are afraid to eat beef because of Mad Cow Disease and the unknown impact of hormones and all he drugs jammed into bovine species , as well as the curious things the animals are fed. Lately, salmon are abandoned across Canada (Jan 2004) as it has been determined that farmed salmon are fed daily with things that render their flesh, as recently studied, toxic. Chickens are raised in six and a half weeks, hatched to shrink-wrapped packaging, in barns where they are deprived of sex, medicated and fed forcibly, and never see the light of day or walk on the ground. The packaged boneless breasts are transparent in their delightful point of purchase plastic dinner jackets unlike organic chicken which has colour. Vegetable garden farmers are in a chemical war worse than the trenches of world war one for their damage to humans.To grow an onion in the huge marshes north of Toronto, you start by depositing a chemical foot-rot inhibitor in the trench. Then you proceed chemical by chemical with daily and weekly manmade crop showers-- a variety and visual spectacle visible from the highway, featuring soaked- in chemicals selected by the "experts" who chuck out one "bad" chemical each year or so, and replace it with three others to protect our health, or the image of our elected folks, depending how one thinks, (if one thinks at all). Every Canadian family in the growth areas, has a relative or friend that has died or is dying of cancer. Healthy Economic Progress....... Big money influence, from the meat and produce in final form, back to the genetically altered seeds that produced them, be they flesh or be they plant. The cancer epidemic is downplayed as if it is as old as salt, with a date in the future where it will no longer exist. The food-chain poisoning goes on. Producers produce the flawed products, consumers buy them and consume them, and the government collects the taxes thereon at every bend in the road, from initial sales taxes on input items of the grower, to every piece of his equipment, land and buildings, through a similar process with the wholesalers and retailers and consumers. It doesn't have to be this way, but this is the route of shortcuts to profit and tax, desired by all the provider groups. The consumer's only flaw is trust....blind stupid trust. Orkney;s opportunity sprouts from the fact that all the pressures of growth and population expansion have escaped those wonderful islands for the most part. Aside from the threat of an oil spill as occurred in Spain and Alaska, there is no real imminent threat save as to normal localized "living" issues such a sewage, farming and water and air. Wind generated power seems a logical Orkney option. Bans on unfriendly packaging would be easy to control on islands. Farming practices could be more organic than perhaps they are. Sewage disposal could demand at the source, low flow toilets, showers and other plumbing fixtures by simple enforceable by-laws. In fact, Orkney could be the world example of effective intelligent environmental leadership and control, and good healthy living. All the other history and features notwithstanding, the title of world leader in environmental respect and with evidence of a compatible relationship with Mother Nature, would be the tourist attraction of this century. In reading this site and all the discussions from everywhere, it seems fascinating that the overlying impression of Orkney after words like friendly, quaint and fun, is that the Orkney environment is pristine, and that alone is unique. Nature abounds and overwhelms. I wonder if the safeguards are in place to protect that value, if the appreciation level is there to insure it, and the political priority is strong enough in Scotland where the politicians are, to make just environmental rulings on a place where so few voters live. Who would come first in the face of another oil discovery near those islands? Sorry folks, but where things like trees and the environment pop up, I often react. The Orkney National Dump I discovered near our ancient family Orkney farm recently, scares the hell out of me. Makes me wonder if it will be ever relocated, and what irreversible damage and pollution is buried alongside our long held farm, an assault to fundamental integrity. Why don't they take their garbage to a good planned engineered facility on some little island where nobody lives, and where proper technology can be applied on a long term basis. Look on a map people . Kirkwall throws it's trash over their shoulder in the back yard alongside some of the oldest architectural ruins in the world! Nice. Thanks. Therefore I hope and pray that the operators of that rude facility, follow the best rules available, monitoring everything they do, and making improvements as a priority wherever they can. I have a beautiful painting of the old farm, which I shall cherish forever. Now I feel I should have a painting of the Kirkwall dump, just to keep things in clear perspective. Hum Bug you say? Stephen

On 16/01/04 at 02:06 Wolfgang Schlick wrote: >sorry, it might be too pessimistic but ... >Did you really expect anything else? Agreed. I was speaking to "someone in the know" yesterday who was not so sure of the official "no damage" statement. But like you said, HS were hardly going to say anything else... S.

sorry, it might be too pessimistic but ... Did you really expect anything else? It's just the same thing they told us about Pompeji, Ankor Vat and other WH sites for decades ... and now? At least at Skara Brae - last visit on site in May 2003 - the wardens on site could show you a number of "detrimental effect(s) " - it was just the question how familiar your are with the site and how detailed you could "pinpoint" your questions about changes in detail (sorry for my poor English) ... regards to all Wolfgang

According to Historic Scotland, their initial findings indicate that Increasing visitor numbers is not having a detrimental effect on one of Orkney's top visitor attractions. Full story at http://www.orkneyjar.com/archaeology/mhowetourists.htm -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "k l" <windswept13@yahoo.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: [<orcadia>] Orkney Folk Festival > I was wondering if any one had the dates to this > years Folk festival. I want to verify what I have > Thanks, Kathy > 27th - 30th May, as far as I know Enjoy! -- Mike Clouston

That's so wonderful! Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: <KJEMEM@aol.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: [<orcadia>] MAESHOWE > In case anybody hasn't been looking, the sun is actually shining into > Maeshowe. <A HREF="http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/">Maeshowe Winter Solstice Sunset</A> > http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/ > > Look quick--it'll be gone. > > Karen > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

That's what I thought. Thanks so much. I'm really looking forward to it. Kathy --- Mike Clouston <mike@mikeclouston.co.uk> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "k l" <windswept13@yahoo.com> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:29 PM > Subject: [<orcadia>] Orkney Folk Festival > > > > I was wondering if any one had the dates to this > > years Folk festival. I want to verify what I have > > Thanks, Kathy > > > > 27th - 30th May, as far as I know > Enjoy! > -- > Mike Clouston > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send > an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to > orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

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In case anybody hasn't been looking, the sun is actually shining into Maeshowe. <A HREF="http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/">Maeshowe Winter Solstice Sunset</A> http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/ Look quick--it'll be gone. Karen

Hi Fiona Happy New Year! The 3rd option I am sure you will find to be the best, but not the cheapest! Let me know off post when you are going I may be able to get you a lift up there! Regards Janis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona Pearson" <fcpearson@hotmail.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [<orcadia>] Just joined > Welcome to Bruce, a fellow Yorkshire resident (to date...)! > As i live in York i'm interested to know which route to Orkney from > Scarborough you have found easiest/best - i've taken 3 different routes in > the past 3 years but want to further experiment. > > 1) A never-to-be-repeated, very special DAY return flight for a big > celebration in a 6 seater plane from a small local airfield to an even > smaller, poss smallest i've ever seen, airstrip on Sanday island... > fantastic day... > > 2) Train to Inverness, B&B overnight, then the Orkney Bus (coach to John > O'Groats then on up to Kirkwall - total journey time = 2 days!! > > 3) Train to Edinburgh, flight to Kirkwall (takes a day) > > This summer i'll poss try train to Aberdeen then ferry to Kirkwall next > time, have you experienced that route? > Any tried and tested routes from anyone else who lives in/near Yorkshire? > Or do most folk in the UK drive up? (phew) > > Fiona > Near York > North Yorkshire > PS Interested to know, Bruce, if you are planning to re-locate to Mainland > Orkney or one of the islands? Are there any Orcadian estate agents > online...? I'm dreaming now... > > > >From: BRUCE FLETCHER <ricardian@btinternet.com> > >Reply-To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [<orcadia>] Just joined > >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:48:28 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Have just joined this list - interesting film clips > >from the last poster. We are hoping to re-locate to > >Orkney later this year. > >Bruce Fletcher > >Scarborough, Yorkshire > > > > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >