Thank you, Dutch, for the offer: Your note is the first encounter I have had to indicate that music was a part of the Orcadian existence here with the HBC. I always felt the highland Scots and the English in charge of the larger forts would impose their own style. But then there were all those inland trips and posts dominated by Orcadians. It would be interesting to hear some of it, played by our Orkney/Cree relatives in the Athabaska. When I first discovered that the HBC might have records about oury relatives service with the company, I contacted them in Winnipeg, and was astounded with what they came up with. Oddly, whereas our relatives here all know where the old farm is in Orkney, and many have visited, nobody ever thought to contact the HBC. The first file the lady sent was the employment of William Davie, one of ours for sure. He was a clerk with the company when the Constitution was signed in Canada in 1867. On the bottom of the file was a note that said, "His Grandfather Also Served." Then they gave us the grandfather's file as well as many others dating well back to the 1700's. The first Governor of the company in the North West at Fort York was an Isbister, a common Orkney name, and one intermingled with our family and many others in the 1700's. One of the amazing stories was the John Gunn story, the chap who travelled by water and land and on snow to get to Fort York. He collapsed in the factor's house in the freezing night. When he began to scream, his coat was removed and it was discovered by his incredible chest configuration that John Gunn was a woman, Isobel (I think) in fact. She was looking for her boyfriend, and the screaming was an announcement of labour pains. She was a determined lady. She remained in the fort for years. Dutch, I have flown several times over that Hudson's Bay area east of Churchill, in a small floatplane. and the very thought of trying to squeak through the Hudson Strait pack ice in August in a wooden sailboat with no escape option is frightening to me. The shoreline is very inhospitable, and there is very little shelter from the wind and water, save as to river mouths. You sense an overwhelming feeling of being exposed to the elements in that country. I can't imagine how it would have imprinted on the mind and heart of a young teenager from Orkney. Once they boarded those boats, there was no turning back. They (HBC) have records of the boats that sank. Some of the boat names appear year after year for decades, sailing back and forth from home. I am familiar with Beaver and see it on the bookshelf still. Another good one in Up Here. How did you find a 1988 Beaver? Stephen- > The article I'm quoting from was written by Dr Glyndwr Williams > Head of > Dept & Prof of History Queen Mary College, Univ of London & former > general > editor of the Hudson's bay Record Society. The Beaver Magazine dates > from > autumn 1983. > Hearne's ( plus Isham & Graham) journals are primary sources for the > long > article-in fact the entire magazine is this article -in this special > issue > which I'm more than willing to pass along to you if you wish. > I have no HBC connections- my Thomsons & Burgars ( & Pottingers I > think) > emigrated to Nova Scotia only (as far as I can figure-although there's > a 20 > year blank spot from around 1800-1820 when I have found written > records from > NS) > Life wasn't much better in NS at that time- lots of trees & bears, but > no > factors barking out orders ! > I have 2 letters sent from family in Papa W & Kirkwall from 1823 & > 1832 > describing "this vast & howling wilderness" left behind-Orkney- which > might > well describe the weather there in the past 24-48 hrs ! > > cheers Thompson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] HBC > > >> Interesting About the Orcadian HBC Employee Stature >> >> At dinner a relative said our Orkneymen explorer relatives were all >> short and squat. I did a little research and discovered that as they >> did with our family, the HBC picked clean the Orkney landscape of >> young >> virile men, often numerous generations off the same farm. Then >> apparently rules were set in place to minimize the exodus. One of >> these >> rules was a height limitation. The result was many boys of twelve >> years >> or so were signed on. The reason therefore that many were short is >> simply that they were still children. >> >> The HBC have incredible records of Orkneymen. All their records were >> moved from London to Winnipeg and the Manitoba Museum does a good job >> of portraying the HBC. >> Interestingly enough, the natives respected the Orkney way, and the >> natives and Orcadians got on better than the Brits and the Scots. My >> relative, Andrew, was captured in Fort Prince of Wales in 1782 by the >> French. The Orkneymen on the post never fired a shot. They were >> treated >> with respect by their captors and set free. Among them was SAmuel >> Hearne.I suppose the alternative was to die for the British? >> >> Fascinating stuff. >> On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 05:46 AM, Dutch Thompson wrote: >> >>> Hello- >>> From autumn 1983 The Beaver magazine, an article titled : "The >>> HBC >>> and the Fur Trade:1670-1870': >>> >>> " The rations served out to the men consisted of provisions from >>> England-salt pork & beef, flour, suet, peas, bacon, cheese, butter, >>> and oatmeal- together with geese, ptarmigan, venison, rabbit and >>> fish. >>> To the modern eye the amounts seem gargantuan. On Christmas Day, >>> 1705, >>> each mess of four men at Albany was given twenty pounds of flour, 2 >>> lb >>> of bacon, 8 pints of oatmeal, 2 pints of rice, 2 lb of raisins, 1/2 >>> lb >>> of currants, 8 lb of mutton, 3 fresh and 2 salted geese, one 'piece' >>> of salt bread, 12 partridges, 4 lb of biscuit bread, 2 lb of cheese, >>> 1 >>> 1/2 lb of butter, 3 lb of suet, and 60 fish. This was, the factor >>> concluded, rather more than usual, but it was matched by the list >>> given by Andrew Graham a half-century later of daily rations. Graham >>> claimed...' the Orkney servants yearly send home to their wives and >>> children flour that they store up.' >>> If true, this was a bizzare stae of affairs, since the flour had been >>> expensively shipped from England to the Bay only the previous year. " >>> >>> " The patent unsuitability for hard work of many of those >>> prepared >>> to sign on for Hudson Bay was one reason for the Company's decision >>> to >>> hire, first, Lowland Scots, and then Orkneymen, in increasing >>> numbers. >>> If dour and clannish, the later were hardier and more reliable than >>> the general run of urbanized labourers, and by the 1730s most of the >>> Company's labourers and some of the craftsmen came from the Orkneys >>> (sic)-a regular port of call for the Company ships on their voyage >>> from the Thames'north about' to the Bay... >>> ...the French Wars from 1793 onwards came as a heavy blow. >>> European wars had always broght their own difficulties to the >>> HBC...above all a shorage of manpower. The British navy's demand for >>> seamen drew many Orkneymen onto the service, and this hit the Company >>> hard, for they were now providing 3/4 of the workforce in the Bay-390 >>> out of 498 officers and men in 1800. If David Thompson is to be >>> believed, by about 1796 the Orkneymen reaching York in the annual >>> ship >>> were few in number and small in stature-so much so that the Indian >>> wife of one of the Company servants challenged him with the >>> observation: ' have you not always told me, that the people in your >>> country are as numerous as the leaves on the trees, how can you speak >>> such a falsehood, do we not see plainly that the very last of them is >>> come, if there were any more would these dwarfs have come here.' >>> >>> cheers Thompson >>> >>> >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >>> word >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

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Stephen- The article I'm quoting from was written by Dr Glyndwr Williams Head of Dept & Prof of History Queen Mary College, Univ of London & former general editor of the Hudson's bay Record Society. The Beaver Magazine dates from autumn 1983. Hearne's ( plus Isham & Graham) journals are primary sources for the long article-in fact the entire magazine is this article -in this special issue which I'm more than willing to pass along to you if you wish. I have no HBC connections- my Thomsons & Burgars ( & Pottingers I think) emigrated to Nova Scotia only (as far as I can figure-although there's a 20 year blank spot from around 1800-1820 when I have found written records from NS) Life wasn't much better in NS at that time- lots of trees & bears, but no factors barking out orders ! I have 2 letters sent from family in Papa W & Kirkwall from 1823 & 1832 describing "this vast & howling wilderness" left behind-Orkney- which might well describe the weather there in the past 24-48 hrs ! cheers Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] HBC > Interesting About the Orcadian HBC Employee Stature > > At dinner a relative said our Orkneymen explorer relatives were all > short and squat. I did a little research and discovered that as they > did with our family, the HBC picked clean the Orkney landscape of young > virile men, often numerous generations off the same farm. Then > apparently rules were set in place to minimize the exodus. One of these > rules was a height limitation. The result was many boys of twelve years > or so were signed on. The reason therefore that many were short is > simply that they were still children. > > The HBC have incredible records of Orkneymen. All their records were > moved from London to Winnipeg and the Manitoba Museum does a good job > of portraying the HBC. > Interestingly enough, the natives respected the Orkney way, and the > natives and Orcadians got on better than the Brits and the Scots. My > relative, Andrew, was captured in Fort Prince of Wales in 1782 by the > French. The Orkneymen on the post never fired a shot. They were treated > with respect by their captors and set free. Among them was SAmuel > Hearne.I suppose the alternative was to die for the British? > > Fascinating stuff. > On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 05:46 AM, Dutch Thompson wrote: > > > Hello- > > From autumn 1983 The Beaver magazine, an article titled : "The HBC > > and the Fur Trade:1670-1870': > > > > " The rations served out to the men consisted of provisions from > > England-salt pork & beef, flour, suet, peas, bacon, cheese, butter, > > and oatmeal- together with geese, ptarmigan, venison, rabbit and fish. > > To the modern eye the amounts seem gargantuan. On Christmas Day, 1705, > > each mess of four men at Albany was given twenty pounds of flour, 2 lb > > of bacon, 8 pints of oatmeal, 2 pints of rice, 2 lb of raisins, 1/2 lb > > of currants, 8 lb of mutton, 3 fresh and 2 salted geese, one 'piece' > > of salt bread, 12 partridges, 4 lb of biscuit bread, 2 lb of cheese, 1 > > 1/2 lb of butter, 3 lb of suet, and 60 fish. This was, the factor > > concluded, rather more than usual, but it was matched by the list > > given by Andrew Graham a half-century later of daily rations. Graham > > claimed...' the Orkney servants yearly send home to their wives and > > children flour that they store up.' > > If true, this was a bizzare stae of affairs, since the flour had been > > expensively shipped from England to the Bay only the previous year. " > > > > " The patent unsuitability for hard work of many of those prepared > > to sign on for Hudson Bay was one reason for the Company's decision to > > hire, first, Lowland Scots, and then Orkneymen, in increasing numbers. > > If dour and clannish, the later were hardier and more reliable than > > the general run of urbanized labourers, and by the 1730s most of the > > Company's labourers and some of the craftsmen came from the Orkneys > > (sic)-a regular port of call for the Company ships on their voyage > > from the Thames'north about' to the Bay... > > ...the French Wars from 1793 onwards came as a heavy blow. > > European wars had always broght their own difficulties to the > > HBC...above all a shorage of manpower. The British navy's demand for > > seamen drew many Orkneymen onto the service, and this hit the Company > > hard, for they were now providing 3/4 of the workforce in the Bay-390 > > out of 498 officers and men in 1800. If David Thompson is to be > > believed, by about 1796 the Orkneymen reaching York in the annual ship > > were few in number and small in stature-so much so that the Indian > > wife of one of the Company servants challenged him with the > > observation: ' have you not always told me, that the people in your > > country are as numerous as the leaves on the trees, how can you speak > > such a falsehood, do we not see plainly that the very last of them is > > come, if there were any more would these dwarfs have come here.' > > > > cheers Thompson > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Interesting About the Orcadian HBC Employee Stature At dinner a relative said our Orkneymen explorer relatives were all short and squat. I did a little research and discovered that as they did with our family, the HBC picked clean the Orkney landscape of young virile men, often numerous generations off the same farm. Then apparently rules were set in place to minimize the exodus. One of these rules was a height limitation. The result was many boys of twelve years or so were signed on. The reason therefore that many were short is simply that they were still children. The HBC have incredible records of Orkneymen. All their records were moved from London to Winnipeg and the Manitoba Museum does a good job of portraying the HBC. Interestingly enough, the natives respected the Orkney way, and the natives and Orcadians got on better than the Brits and the Scots. My relative, Andrew, was captured in Fort Prince of Wales in 1782 by the French. The Orkneymen on the post never fired a shot. They were treated with respect by their captors and set free. Among them was SAmuel Hearne.I suppose the alternative was to die for the British? Fascinating stuff. On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 05:46 AM, Dutch Thompson wrote: > Hello- > From autumn 1983 The Beaver magazine, an article titled : "The HBC > and the Fur Trade:1670-1870': > > " The rations served out to the men consisted of provisions from > England-salt pork & beef, flour, suet, peas, bacon, cheese, butter, > and oatmeal- together with geese, ptarmigan, venison, rabbit and fish. > To the modern eye the amounts seem gargantuan. On Christmas Day, 1705, > each mess of four men at Albany was given twenty pounds of flour, 2 lb > of bacon, 8 pints of oatmeal, 2 pints of rice, 2 lb of raisins, 1/2 lb > of currants, 8 lb of mutton, 3 fresh and 2 salted geese, one 'piece' > of salt bread, 12 partridges, 4 lb of biscuit bread, 2 lb of cheese, 1 > 1/2 lb of butter, 3 lb of suet, and 60 fish. This was, the factor > concluded, rather more than usual, but it was matched by the list > given by Andrew Graham a half-century later of daily rations. Graham > claimed...' the Orkney servants yearly send home to their wives and > children flour that they store up.' > If true, this was a bizzare stae of affairs, since the flour had been > expensively shipped from England to the Bay only the previous year. " > > " The patent unsuitability for hard work of many of those prepared > to sign on for Hudson Bay was one reason for the Company's decision to > hire, first, Lowland Scots, and then Orkneymen, in increasing numbers. > If dour and clannish, the later were hardier and more reliable than > the general run of urbanized labourers, and by the 1730s most of the > Company's labourers and some of the craftsmen came from the Orkneys > (sic)-a regular port of call for the Company ships on their voyage > from the Thames'north about' to the Bay... > ...the French Wars from 1793 onwards came as a heavy blow. > European wars had always broght their own difficulties to the > HBC...above all a shorage of manpower. The British navy's demand for > seamen drew many Orkneymen onto the service, and this hit the Company > hard, for they were now providing 3/4 of the workforce in the Bay-390 > out of 498 officers and men in 1800. If David Thompson is to be > believed, by about 1796 the Orkneymen reaching York in the annual ship > were few in number and small in stature-so much so that the Indian > wife of one of the Company servants challenged him with the > observation: ' have you not always told me, that the people in your > country are as numerous as the leaves on the trees, how can you speak > such a falsehood, do we not see plainly that the very last of them is > come, if there were any more would these dwarfs have come here.' > > cheers Thompson > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Hello I am new to the list and want to introduce myself. I have an interest in Orkney history, especially my Cromarty family history in Orkney. My grandmother's family was also from Orkney so anyone with information on the Begg line of Eday & Pharay, and the Tulloch lines is also of interest. The origins of the Burgess line if in Shetland/Orkney is of interest as well. My main interest is in my Cromarty line. My family arrives in London about 1550 from Orkney. Why they would have left Orkney in the 1500's is still being researched as is why they show up in Bishopsgate, London, however the Cromarty family appears to first appear in Orkney in South Ronaldsey about 1450 with John Cromarty (John Urquhart of Cromarty) who takes the name John Cromarty according to Scandinavian custom as it was were he was originally from. That means there would only be his sons Magnus the Elder and Magnus the Younger they could have come from. The Elder appears to stay on South Ronaldsey, and the Younger I have not seen accounted for. In 1538 Anne Boleyn is parted with by Henry VIII, and 2 Cromates John and Magnus (notice the names) along with Sinclair, Craigie, and a few others assassinate the Earl of Caithness and then are pardoned by King James V. What could have happened that a line of Cromarty so closely connected to John Urquhart of Cromarty could have mo! ved from Orkney to London. Just to note many Scandinavian shipbuilders were also moving to the Thames in this time period and making a great deal of money with their skills. Does anyone have additional more detailed information on the Cromarty family history in this time period. Thank You, Edward Cromarty

Hello- From autumn 1983 The Beaver magazine, an article titled : "The HBC and the Fur Trade:1670-1870': " The rations served out to the men consisted of provisions from England-salt pork & beef, flour, suet, peas, bacon, cheese, butter, and oatmeal- together with geese, ptarmigan, venison, rabbit and fish. To the modern eye the amounts seem gargantuan. On Christmas Day, 1705, each mess of four men at Albany was given twenty pounds of flour, 2 lb of bacon, 8 pints of oatmeal, 2 pints of rice, 2 lb of raisins, 1/2 lb of currants, 8 lb of mutton, 3 fresh and 2 salted geese, one 'piece' of salt bread, 12 partridges, 4 lb of biscuit bread, 2 lb of cheese, 1 1/2 lb of butter, 3 lb of suet, and 60 fish. This was, the factor concluded, rather more than usual, but it was matched by the list given by Andrew Graham a half-century later of daily rations. Graham claimed...' the Orkney servants yearly send home to their wives and children flour that they store up.' If true, this was a bizzare stae of affairs, since the flour had been expensively shipped from England to the Bay only the previous year. " " The patent unsuitability for hard work of many of those prepared to sign on for Hudson Bay was one reason for the Company's decision to hire, first, Lowland Scots, and then Orkneymen, in increasing numbers. If dour and clannish, the later were hardier and more reliable than the general run of urbanized labourers, and by the 1730s most of the Company's labourers and some of the craftsmen came from the Orkneys (sic)-a regular port of call for the Company ships on their voyage from the Thames'north about' to the Bay... ...the French Wars from 1793 onwards came as a heavy blow. European wars had always broght their own difficulties to the HBC...above all a shorage of manpower. The British navy's demand for seamen drew many Orkneymen onto the service, and this hit the Company hard, for they were now providing 3/4 of the workforce in the Bay-390 out of 498 officers and men in 1800. If David Thompson is to be believed, by about 1796 the Orkneymen reaching York in the annual ship were few in number and small in stature-so much so that the Indian wife of one of the Company servants challenged him with the observation: ' have you not always told me, that the people in your country are as numerous as the leaves on the trees, how can you speak such a falsehood, do we not see plainly that the very last of them is come, if there were any more would these dwarfs have come here.' cheers Thompson

Wonderful. Thanks for sharing this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dutch Thompson" <dutchink@isn.net> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: [<orcadia>] HBC > Hello- > From autumn 1983 The Beaver magazine, an article titled : "The HBC and the Fur Trade:1670-1870': > >

In a message dated 1/26/04 7:27:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, thistledown76@btinternet.com writes: > That book title is, 'The Yellow on the Broom' by Betsy Whyte Thanks, I just ordered it from the University of Pennsylvania! Anne in Ardmore (PA)

Hi, Fiona and all - The Stewarts of Blairgowrie were renowned as "keepers of the lore" of the travelling folk. Shiela Stewart is an absolute storehouse of wisdom and knowledge of the travelling folk, the songs and the stories. She still sings, can speak the cant of the travelling folk (hearing Dance to tha' Daddy sung in cant is an experience in itself)! and has many CDs to her credit (try www.topicrecords.co.uk , TSCD 515 etc). She has also published some books on their traditions and history. Give me a hoi if you're interested. There's another book you might like to try for - I think it's Yellow Blows the Broom -someone may be able to correct me on this one - there's a wealth of insight in it. Don't know the term "tinkler" - other than through the Vicar of Dibley - perhaps a local variant? Happy hunting! Cheers, Jan At 09:34 AM 27/01/2004, you wrote: >Does anyone know of the term 'tinkler' as applied to Scottish >gypsies.................... Jan Nary 31 Leybourne St, Chelmer Queensland 4068 Publicist & Journalist National Folk Festival Publicist <http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/>http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/ Co-host Acoustic Harvest Bay FM 100.3 <http://www.bayfm.org.au/>http://www.bayfm.org.au/ tel. 44 7 3379 4178 fax 447 3278 2360 mob. 0429 898 328 UK 07905 976 173

Hello- From the Feb/Mar 1988 The Beaver magazine, article titled "A Parcel of Upstart Scotchmen": "...(a) persistence of Orkney separateness and identity well into the 19th C even after its attenuation by Indian & other ethnic admixtures...Observers of mid-19th C Red River (Winnipeg) commented on the distinctiveness of its Orkney-born settlers as did Alex. Ross in 1856, just as the Orcadians themselves retained a persisting sense of difference. And much more recently, a National Film Board of Canada production, "Fiddlers of james bay", demonstrated that some James Bay musicians, of Orkney desscent but classed these days as Cree, have actively preserved their Orkney musical heritage. When 2 of them were brought to the Orkneys (sic) to comapre their music with that of the Orkney fiddlers, their common heritage was clearly in evidence; in fact the james Bay players had preserved 1 or 2 Scottish tunes the Orcadians themselves had lost." My questions : 1/ what were the 18th & 19th C influences on Orkney music, specifically the fiddle- Neil Gow ? Norwegian ? 2/ what are the styles now ? 3/ has anyone seen "The Fiddlers of James Bay " ? Are there other similar films/programmes/tapes illustrating the Orkney styles ? One reason I ask is because in this part of Canada there is still a strong tradition of Irish/Scotch fiddling, with some Acadian (local French) influences, a style quite distinct from other parts of Canada/USA. yet obviously with some similarities to say the music in the Ottawa Valley, the Applanchians, and in Quebec. cheers Thompson

On 26/01/04 at 23:34 Fiona Pearson wrote: >Does anyone know of the term 'tinkler' as applied to Scottish gypsies? "Tinkler" was the term used in Orkney. The Tinklers were still doing the rounds until the 1960s, at which time a number of them "settled". S.

Hi everyone That book title is, 'The Yellow on the Broom' by Betsy Whyte and I would recommend it to anyone. Anne

Does anyone know of the term 'tinkler' as applied to Scottish gypsies? I've never heard of it - it used to be 'tinkers' when i lived in Glasgow. Anyway, i may be descended from some so would like to hear more! It would certainly explain why at each census my ancestors were in a different spot! These Scottish gypsies - they apparently stayed in homes during winter months then off wandering come spring... sounds like a romantic life to me. Anyone with gypsie blood in them?? Wandering off now, Fiona (York UK) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Stephen We live in Guelph, and Barrie is only about 2 hr from here. I would love to see the jpg of your farm, and you could send it to me off list if you like. The name of my business is Stone Croft Originals, and it's amazing how many people think it's a misspelling of Stone Craft. I envy you your trip this summer. It will be a long while before I am able to go, but go I must some day. Don't know why. I have been attracted since I was a child and first heard of Orkney (or 'the Orkneys') and when I found Orkneyjar, I couldn't believe my good fortune. Dream fodder. I love the sea and wild weather. Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are ideal vacation sites for me, and off season the best time to go. I was only able to return to Scotland once and spent 6 weeks there and in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately it was in 1977 and wasn't the best time to be in Northern Ireland, but it's a memory I treasure. I trust you will give us a good account of your journey when you return. In spite of my succinct reply to your explanation of Victor, it is intruiging, and I appreciate your answer. best Trish ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > Dear Trish: > > I pushed the wrong button in answering your victor question. Didn't > mean to reply to all. Whomever Grumpy is, he is articulate, living in > Orkney, and has a marvelous sense of passion for that place. Once in > awhile someone asks about Victor, trying to flush him out. Sort of > silly, really, but grumpy does write the odd marvelous note. But he > won't say who he is or what he does etc. > > I live near Horseshoe Valley, north of Barrie. Our family(paternal) > originated from near Kirfwall on a farm many years ago, but not untill > recently were many pieces of the puzzle put in place. I enjoy the site, > and hope to go thee this year to soak up the sites and sounds and > feelings of what long ago was our home. Tracing one's roots there is a > relatively easy task. > > By the way, there is an artist in Kirkwall named Jane Glue who recently > did a painting of our farm. I have it on a jpg if you would like to > see it. It is typical of a croft on the ocean on the mainland. > > Hope you are enjoying this cool weather. > > Stephen Davie > On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Trish mail wrote: > > > Well, I simply have to ask. I am a new list member, and have been > > lurking > > for a week or so. I have enjoyed the posts so far and could decipher > > them > > to date even though I wasn't privy to some of the initial > > conversations, but > > I don't understand this thread. Am I allowed to ask? Who or what is > > Victor? If it is something obvious that I am overlooking, please > > indulge me > > this once. > > I am a Canadian (central Ontario) of Scottish birth (Dundee) who has a > > longing to travel to Orkney for an extended stay. I am intrigued by > > the > > history, geography, mythology, weather, and the people (at least of my > > idea > > of the population, as I know no one who hails from there). > > I am an artist who creates small, dressed figurative sculpture, and > > 'believes' in trolls, elves, and other-wordly beings as subjects ( not > > quite > > as strange as I may sound), and Orkneyjar is one of my favorite > > websites. > > I am enjoying the list to date and hope that someone will fill me in > > and > > not think I am too ignorant for having to ask the question. > > Thanks for your perseverance, > > Trish Stover > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ladywillow" <ladywillow@ladywillow.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > > > > >> little do they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Juanelan@aol.com> > >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:43 PM > >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > >> > >> > >>> For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. > >>> Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > > growth. > >>> Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with > >>> shall > >>> walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely > >>> Eastertide > >> glow, > >>> Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. > >>> Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > > darkling > >>> days of Winter. > >>> A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in > >>> the > >>> Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual > >>> fulfillment. > >>> Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the > >>> fringe > > of > >>> humanity's > >>> strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > >> word > >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Touche, Trish. Thompson in PEI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish mail" <bstover@rogers.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > Oh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > > > Dear Trish: > > > > I too, a Canuk in central Ontario, Orcadian by root, Canorky when you > > blend Canada and the Orkney, am passionately overly fond of the > > heritage. This Sigurd, our curly redheaded learned brewmaster of this > > boiling and sometimes frothing Orkney stewpot, concocted with the > > concerns of many of we "displaced" Orcadians, is a patient fellow, and > > tolerant of the enthusiasm his patrons amass. > > > > Now we have in our midst, a fellow known only as Grumpy, who > > occasionally verbalizes his intriguing and often complex anxieties. One > > night he let lose about our Victor, a hapless little Vole, living in > > the shadow of this volatile Orcadian recluse. Many of us are concerned > > that Victor may be crushed under the heel of Grumpy's intoxicated boot, > > or worse, caught in one of those wretched steel traps, gurgling his > > earthly departure prayers in the presence of a triumphant sadistic > > bully. Little Victor has become, you see, our true Mascot--our symbol > > of Orkney tenacity, thrift, cunning and heart. To end his sweet life > > for the appeasement of a rage, seems very traumatic, and unjust. It > > stains all the values of our heritage, and despoils the good spirit the > > kinship of this site brings. And worse, Sigurd is terrified of Grumpy. > > Rewards have been posted for information revealing his true person. > > > > Someone just before Christmas contacted the Scotland Yard to try to > > discern the true identity of Grumpy. Speculation is that he is the > > frustrated elected Member for \little Orkney, or a retired senior > > Justice in a bad marriage, or an unrevealed half brother of Charles, > > Prince of Wales.. The throne denied may well be the root cause of his > > "Issue" which causes him to be obnoxious and anti-social, and capable > > in fact of murdering little Victor. > > > > That is about it. It is an issue and a bond based on virtue and > > principle. Victor's case has been brought before a judiciary committee > > of the Canadian Government, headed up by Brian Tobin, the former > > Premier of Newfoundland. If we can find him, he will be escorted to St > > Johns as a refugee in duress. > > > > That should pretty well bring you up to date. > > > > Canorky Stephen > > > > January 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Trish mail wrote: > > > > > Well, I simply have to ask. I am a new list member, and have been > > > lurking > > > for a week or so. I have enjoyed the posts so far and could decipher > > > them > > > to date even though I wasn't privy to some of the initial > > > conversations, but > > > I don't understand this thread. Am I allowed to ask? Who or what is > > > Victor? If it is something obvious that I am overlooking, please > > > indulge me > > > this once. > > > I am a Canadian (central Ontario) of Scottish birth (Dundee) who has a > > > longing to travel to Orkney for an extended stay. I am intrigued by > > > the > > > history, geography, mythology, weather, and the people (at least of my > > > idea > > > of the population, as I know no one who hails from there). > > > I am an artist who creates small, dressed figurative sculpture, and > > > 'believes' in trolls, elves, and other-wordly beings as subjects ( not > > > quite > > > as strange as I may sound), and Orkneyjar is one of my favorite > > > websites. > > > I am enjoying the list to date and hope that someone will fill me in > > > and > > > not think I am too ignorant for having to ask the question. > > > Thanks for your perseverance, > > > Trish Stover > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ladywillow" <ladywillow@ladywillow.freeserve.co.uk> > > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > > > > > > > >> little do they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: <Juanelan@aol.com> > > >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:43 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > >> > > >> > > >>> For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. > > >>> Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > > > growth. > > >>> Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with > > >>> shall > > >>> walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely > > >>> Eastertide > > >> glow, > > >>> Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. > > >>> Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > > > darkling > > >>> days of Winter. > > >>> A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in > > >>> the > > >>> Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual > > >>> fulfillment. > > >>> Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the > > >>> fringe > > > of > > >>> humanity's > > >>> strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > > word > > >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > >> word > > >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > > word > > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Dear Trish: I pushed the wrong button in answering your victor question. Didn't mean to reply to all. Whomever Grumpy is, he is articulate, living in Orkney, and has a marvelous sense of passion for that place. Once in awhile someone asks about Victor, trying to flush him out. Sort of silly, really, but grumpy does write the odd marvelous note. But he won't say who he is or what he does etc. I live near Horseshoe Valley, north of Barrie. Our family(paternal) originated from near Kirfwall on a farm many years ago, but not untill recently were many pieces of the puzzle put in place. I enjoy the site, and hope to go thee this year to soak up the sites and sounds and feelings of what long ago was our home. Tracing one's roots there is a relatively easy task. By the way, there is an artist in Kirkwall named Jane Glue who recently did a painting of our farm. I have it on a jpg if you would like to see it. It is typical of a croft on the ocean on the mainland. Hope you are enjoying this cool weather. Stephen Davie On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Trish mail wrote: > Well, I simply have to ask. I am a new list member, and have been > lurking > for a week or so. I have enjoyed the posts so far and could decipher > them > to date even though I wasn't privy to some of the initial > conversations, but > I don't understand this thread. Am I allowed to ask? Who or what is > Victor? If it is something obvious that I am overlooking, please > indulge me > this once. > I am a Canadian (central Ontario) of Scottish birth (Dundee) who has a > longing to travel to Orkney for an extended stay. I am intrigued by > the > history, geography, mythology, weather, and the people (at least of my > idea > of the population, as I know no one who hails from there). > I am an artist who creates small, dressed figurative sculpture, and > 'believes' in trolls, elves, and other-wordly beings as subjects ( not > quite > as strange as I may sound), and Orkneyjar is one of my favorite > websites. > I am enjoying the list to date and hope that someone will fill me in > and > not think I am too ignorant for having to ask the question. > Thanks for your perseverance, > Trish Stover > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ladywillow" <ladywillow@ladywillow.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > >> little do they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Juanelan@aol.com> >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? >> >> >>> For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. >>> Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > growth. >>> Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with >>> shall >>> walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely >>> Eastertide >> glow, >>> Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. >>> Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > darkling >>> days of Winter. >>> A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in >>> the >>> Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual >>> fulfillment. >>> Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the >>> fringe > of >>> humanity's >>> strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago >>> >>> >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Oh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > Dear Trish: > > I too, a Canuk in central Ontario, Orcadian by root, Canorky when you > blend Canada and the Orkney, am passionately overly fond of the > heritage. This Sigurd, our curly redheaded learned brewmaster of this > boiling and sometimes frothing Orkney stewpot, concocted with the > concerns of many of we "displaced" Orcadians, is a patient fellow, and > tolerant of the enthusiasm his patrons amass. > > Now we have in our midst, a fellow known only as Grumpy, who > occasionally verbalizes his intriguing and often complex anxieties. One > night he let lose about our Victor, a hapless little Vole, living in > the shadow of this volatile Orcadian recluse. Many of us are concerned > that Victor may be crushed under the heel of Grumpy's intoxicated boot, > or worse, caught in one of those wretched steel traps, gurgling his > earthly departure prayers in the presence of a triumphant sadistic > bully. Little Victor has become, you see, our true Mascot--our symbol > of Orkney tenacity, thrift, cunning and heart. To end his sweet life > for the appeasement of a rage, seems very traumatic, and unjust. It > stains all the values of our heritage, and despoils the good spirit the > kinship of this site brings. And worse, Sigurd is terrified of Grumpy. > Rewards have been posted for information revealing his true person. > > Someone just before Christmas contacted the Scotland Yard to try to > discern the true identity of Grumpy. Speculation is that he is the > frustrated elected Member for \little Orkney, or a retired senior > Justice in a bad marriage, or an unrevealed half brother of Charles, > Prince of Wales.. The throne denied may well be the root cause of his > "Issue" which causes him to be obnoxious and anti-social, and capable > in fact of murdering little Victor. > > That is about it. It is an issue and a bond based on virtue and > principle. Victor's case has been brought before a judiciary committee > of the Canadian Government, headed up by Brian Tobin, the former > Premier of Newfoundland. If we can find him, he will be escorted to St > Johns as a refugee in duress. > > That should pretty well bring you up to date. > > Canorky Stephen > > January 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Trish mail wrote: > > > Well, I simply have to ask. I am a new list member, and have been > > lurking > > for a week or so. I have enjoyed the posts so far and could decipher > > them > > to date even though I wasn't privy to some of the initial > > conversations, but > > I don't understand this thread. Am I allowed to ask? Who or what is > > Victor? If it is something obvious that I am overlooking, please > > indulge me > > this once. > > I am a Canadian (central Ontario) of Scottish birth (Dundee) who has a > > longing to travel to Orkney for an extended stay. I am intrigued by > > the > > history, geography, mythology, weather, and the people (at least of my > > idea > > of the population, as I know no one who hails from there). > > I am an artist who creates small, dressed figurative sculpture, and > > 'believes' in trolls, elves, and other-wordly beings as subjects ( not > > quite > > as strange as I may sound), and Orkneyjar is one of my favorite > > websites. > > I am enjoying the list to date and hope that someone will fill me in > > and > > not think I am too ignorant for having to ask the question. > > Thanks for your perseverance, > > Trish Stover > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ladywillow" <ladywillow@ladywillow.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > > > > >> little do they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Juanelan@aol.com> > >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:43 PM > >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > >> > >> > >>> For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. > >>> Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > > growth. > >>> Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with > >>> shall > >>> walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely > >>> Eastertide > >> glow, > >>> Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. > >>> Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > > darkling > >>> days of Winter. > >>> A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in > >>> the > >>> Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual > >>> fulfillment. > >>> Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the > >>> fringe > > of > >>> humanity's > >>> strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > >> word > >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Dear Trish: I too, a Canuk in central Ontario, Orcadian by root, Canorky when you blend Canada and the Orkney, am passionately overly fond of the heritage. This Sigurd, our curly redheaded learned brewmaster of this boiling and sometimes frothing Orkney stewpot, concocted with the concerns of many of we "displaced" Orcadians, is a patient fellow, and tolerant of the enthusiasm his patrons amass. Now we have in our midst, a fellow known only as Grumpy, who occasionally verbalizes his intriguing and often complex anxieties. One night he let lose about our Victor, a hapless little Vole, living in the shadow of this volatile Orcadian recluse. Many of us are concerned that Victor may be crushed under the heel of Grumpy's intoxicated boot, or worse, caught in one of those wretched steel traps, gurgling his earthly departure prayers in the presence of a triumphant sadistic bully. Little Victor has become, you see, our true Mascot--our symbol of Orkney tenacity, thrift, cunning and heart. To end his sweet life for the appeasement of a rage, seems very traumatic, and unjust. It stains all the values of our heritage, and despoils the good spirit the kinship of this site brings. And worse, Sigurd is terrified of Grumpy. Rewards have been posted for information revealing his true person. Someone just before Christmas contacted the Scotland Yard to try to discern the true identity of Grumpy. Speculation is that he is the frustrated elected Member for \little Orkney, or a retired senior Justice in a bad marriage, or an unrevealed half brother of Charles, Prince of Wales.. The throne denied may well be the root cause of his "Issue" which causes him to be obnoxious and anti-social, and capable in fact of murdering little Victor. That is about it. It is an issue and a bond based on virtue and principle. Victor's case has been brought before a judiciary committee of the Canadian Government, headed up by Brian Tobin, the former Premier of Newfoundland. If we can find him, he will be escorted to St Johns as a refugee in duress. That should pretty well bring you up to date. Canorky Stephen January 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Trish mail wrote: > Well, I simply have to ask. I am a new list member, and have been > lurking > for a week or so. I have enjoyed the posts so far and could decipher > them > to date even though I wasn't privy to some of the initial > conversations, but > I don't understand this thread. Am I allowed to ask? Who or what is > Victor? If it is something obvious that I am overlooking, please > indulge me > this once. > I am a Canadian (central Ontario) of Scottish birth (Dundee) who has a > longing to travel to Orkney for an extended stay. I am intrigued by > the > history, geography, mythology, weather, and the people (at least of my > idea > of the population, as I know no one who hails from there). > I am an artist who creates small, dressed figurative sculpture, and > 'believes' in trolls, elves, and other-wordly beings as subjects ( not > quite > as strange as I may sound), and Orkneyjar is one of my favorite > websites. > I am enjoying the list to date and hope that someone will fill me in > and > not think I am too ignorant for having to ask the question. > Thanks for your perseverance, > Trish Stover > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ladywillow" <ladywillow@ladywillow.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? > > >> little do they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Juanelan@aol.com> >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Anybody heard from Victor? >> >> >>> For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. >>> Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > growth. >>> Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with >>> shall >>> walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely >>> Eastertide >> glow, >>> Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. >>> Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > darkling >>> days of Winter. >>> A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in >>> the >>> Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual >>> fulfillment. >>> Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the >>> fringe > of >>> humanity's >>> strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago >>> >>> >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Bravo! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, at 07:43 AM, Juanelan@aol.com wrote: > For Victor the long and dark days of Winter are swiftly passing. > Those nights without end are melting into the days of sunshine and > growth. > Soon all good things that Victor cares to swell his this body with > shall > walk and flit about him. Now, ere the grass begins its lovely > Eastertide glow, > Victor dreams of tasty bits that cheer him to no end. > Victor is our belief in the renewal of the life force after the > darkling > days of Winter. > A pagan, perhaps heathen observation it is. Yet, Victor's renewal in > the > Spring is a message to us to review our need for spiritual fulfillment. > Bless wee Victor and all the simple spirits that thrive at the > fringe of > humanity's > strange stewardship of the earth. - Dan @ Chicago > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >