would love to see it. THANKS. Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while ploughing > I just dug around and found one of the photos. If you like I could > e-mail it to you......Stephen > On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote:
I just dug around and found one of the photos. If you like I could e-mail it to you......Stephen On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote: > where did you view these photos? > Marion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while > ploughing > > >> I have looked at photos recently of excavations of old viking graves, >> with the earth swept off the skeletal remains. Often there are some >> artifacts. In later years, beads seemed to be present in Viking >> graves. >> While these pocket caverns are much older, one still might think the >> bodies would have been interred with some artifact. >> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 04:26 PM, Andy Sweet wrote: >> >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
On a website, recently, while searching for viking beads. The photos were obviously taken while professional archaeologists were carefully removing the cover, I suppose literally brushing away the dirt. Then, you could see the remains, and embedded there alongside were the beads. On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote: > where did you view these photos? > Marion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while > ploughing > > >> I have looked at photos recently of excavations of old viking graves, >> with the earth swept off the skeletal remains. Often there are some >> artifacts. In later years, beads seemed to be present in Viking >> graves. >> While these pocket caverns are much older, one still might think the >> bodies would have been interred with some artifact. >> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 04:26 PM, Andy Sweet wrote: >> >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
where did you view these photos? Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while ploughing > I have looked at photos recently of excavations of old viking graves, > with the earth swept off the skeletal remains. Often there are some > artifacts. In later years, beads seemed to be present in Viking graves. > While these pocket caverns are much older, one still might think the > bodies would have been interred with some artifact. > On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 04:26 PM, Andy Sweet wrote: > >
I have looked at photos recently of excavations of old viking graves, with the earth swept off the skeletal remains. Often there are some artifacts. In later years, beads seemed to be present in Viking graves. While these pocket caverns are much older, one still might think the bodies would have been interred with some artifact. On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 04:26 PM, Andy Sweet wrote: > > On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 01:53 am, stephen davie wrote: > >> Interesting how these things keep popping up. Do students and history >> affectionados not probe these places for subterranean vaults with >> some type of electronic assistance? > > there are so many cists throughout the whole of Scotland that there > just isn't the time, resources or even the interest to investigate > them all. the RCAHMS has 203 seperate cist sites (many of them > comprising of several cists) listed on CANMORE for Orkney alone! and > that doesn't include the many more that are known but not "officially" > listed. > >> I also wonder if when these things are discovered, if there are >> artifacts. Seems bones are common, but what about other items? > > generally speaking, cist burials don't seem to contain artifacts, > usually just the bones > > Cheers > Andy > > The Megalithic sites of Perthshire: > http://www.andysweet.co.uk/stones/ > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
Interesting how these things keep popping up. Do students and history affectionados not probe these places for subterranean vaults with some type of electronic assistance? I also wonder if when these things are discovered, if there are artifacts. Seems bones are common, but what about other items? In my bead research, I note that the Vikings wore the same Venetian trade beads that were traded to our natives, as well as other beads made in Scandinavia and elsewhere. Seems that there are a few available, but the laws over there seem to prohibit one from hoarding artifacts, even if they are discovered on one's own property. While the intent is fine, I wonder how the rule affects the underground economy, where the supply is pent up stacked against the demand some people might construe as significant. Classic example of macro economics 101 theory. /reduce the supply, and up goes the demand and the price. Lots of interesting Viking goods out there, but not too much from G.B. Hats off to the fellow who found the site. I picture a farm tractor, sinking into a cairn, while the farmer aboard her awakes from his tractor-time daydream. Must be an interesting to be the first to find such a marvel. Great article Sigurd. Canorky Stephen On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 02:24 PM, Sigurd Towrie wrote: > Another Bronze Age burial kist exposed while ploughing in Harray. Full > story at http://www.orkneyjar.com/archaeology/news.htm > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
Thanks Sigurd, Isabella Sigurd Towrie wrote: >On 19 March 2004 22:29, sable13 wrote: > > > >>What happens to the farmer then? Is his land not able to be >>used anymore? Is he compensated in any way ? Isabella >> >> > >Nothing really. Kist burials are *very* common. They are recorded >thoroughly and that's about it. > >If land was to be put out of use every time a kist was found, we would >almost be left with nothing left to farm. > >
Hi Sigurd, What happens to the farmer then? Is his land not able to be used anymore? Is he compensated in any way ? Isabella Sigurd Towrie wrote: >Another Bronze Age burial kist exposed while ploughing in Harray. Full >story at http://www.orkneyjar.com/archaeology/news.htm > > >
JANICE: I have interesting stuff on the Isbister family, as well as a real good contact over there who is in part Isbister and we are in fact related, as our paths cross in about 1750. I did a lot of HBC investigation, and many of our family have been the subject of their notes and records. Fascinating stuff. Joseph Isbister was a famous HBC fellow, who married a native Cree girl. he had a very colourful career, and was a pioneer for the company. His son became a lawyer who championed the cause of mixed blood HBC employees, for example. Give me a shout if you have the time or inclination to do so. Yours Aye.....StephenOn Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 07:15 AM, J. Harold Ivester wrote: > Stephen, > Our Ivester ancestor, Hugh Isbister, came from Orkney to Savannah, > Georgia in 1775, the only Isbister to come to the South that I am > aware of > (and I've done tons of research). We went back to Orkney in 1996, the > first > of Hugh's descendents to do so, arriving in Stromess, where Hugh > departed as > an indentured servant of Col. Thomas Browne - a famous Loyalist here in > Georgia. The story is fascinating and I'll tell you more if you are > interested. Am sending this to you off-line since it is more genealogy > than > Orkney related. Don't have much time now so will talk to you later > > Janice Ivester > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
Thank you so very much, everyone! I think I may have enough information to get started, with your kind assistance. You have been very helpful. Do any of you on this list think that there might have been a Latin type of "accented dialect" that these monks would have used? I am aware that they would have sung many of the ancient chants in their day to day lives. Someone asked me about this and I became very curious about the answer. I will make use of the web to seek out any differences that there were in Britain, if the information is out there. Yours, Susan (an Orkney tourist hopeful)
In my ongoing consumption of things Orcadian/Canadian, I have become intrigued with trade beads. I have purchased some and have "found' others, including Hudsons Bay Beads, which was a wrap-around term for a couple specific bead types common to the company. There are millifiores, chevrons, redhearts, greenhearts, Venetian fancies, snake beads, french cross beads ( a favourite of the Northwest Company) and others. But to my astonishment, in my ignorance, I discover that the Vikings who were first here from Europe, traded beads and wore them. Allegedly they were sourced too from Venice and would have been of the same type as the earlier trade beads here, as well as some others specific to Norway and other viking haunts. Question is, where would one be able to see an example of an authentic Viking bead type or types, and is there any jeweler in Orkney or antique/collectibles person who might have an idea where to source this amazing artifact and artform. I expect there som out there that are a thousand years old. Some had to be interred in Orkney. Perhaps some Orkney affectionado would have a clue where to start. I chose to start here, because this good old site has been so productive for me, I just know that someone will have the answer. -12 here this a.m., but spring promises not to be late. Yours Aye......Stephen (Canorky chap)
On 17/03/04 at 00:24 Season789@cs.com wrote: >I am attempting to study about the oldest monastaries in Orkney. >Are there any sites where I may find detailed information about the >buildings/structures as well as the monks who lived there? >I realize I may be speaking about ruins - that is fine. >The time period I am researching involves from 500 to 1200 AD. There are, to my knowledge, only two surviving monastery sites in Orkney. One on Eynhallow - which you will be highly unlikely to find anything online - and one on the Brough of Birsay. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com
Season789@cs.com wrote: > I am attempting to study about the oldest monastaries in Orkney. > Are there any sites where I may find detailed information about the > buildings/structures as well as the monks who lived there? > I realize I may be speaking about ruins - that is fine. > The time period I am researching involves from 500 to 1200 AD. > I am trying to do this myself but have not been able to find much > as yet. > Many thanks to whoever responds. > Susan Lots of useful information at <http://www.orkneyjar.com/> -- Bruce Fletcher (Orphir, Orkney)
Susan, Is this of any help to you ? http://www.orkney.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1223 Isabella Season789@cs.com wrote: >Greetings All - > >I am attempting to study about the oldest monastaries in Orkney. >Are there any sites where I may find detailed information about the >buildings/structures as well as the monks who lived there? >I realize I may be speaking about ruins - that is fine. >The time period I am researching involves from 500 to 1200 AD. >I am trying to do this myself but have not been able to find much >as yet. >Many thanks to whoever responds. >Susan > > > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > >
Greetings All - I am attempting to study about the oldest monastaries in Orkney. Are there any sites where I may find detailed information about the buildings/structures as well as the monks who lived there? I realize I may be speaking about ruins - that is fine. The time period I am researching involves from 500 to 1200 AD. I am trying to do this myself but have not been able to find much as yet. Many thanks to whoever responds. Susan
Thanks Sian for this interesting reading on thatched roof tradition. Hope to visit Corrigal farm Museum this July on my visit to orkney. Have looked Graemsay up on my OS map, lots of place names so it seems like a buzzing wee island! I'm particularly interested at the moment in Gairsay which is not that much smaller, but appears to be one big hill, and populated by only one family i believe. (This was where my grandfather worked as an 11year old in 1891.) What do the folk of Graemsay do for a living nowadays?? Fiona (York UK) >From: "SIAN.THOMAS" <Sian.Thomas@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [<orcadia>] Thatched Roof Traditions >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:44:43 -0000 > >Anyone interested in Thatched Roof tradition in Orkney Farm Buildings, >there's an article on this at : >http://www.orkney.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1355 > >And for anyone on the list in Orkney on March 28th, Corrigal Farm Museum >have a Strae (Straw) Day from 2 to 5pm. (Admission Free). Visitors can >see >simmons rope being made as well as having a go, and can try "needling a >roof" too. > >The straw ropes being made are part of a project for re-roofing the Crows >Nest at Rackwick, Hoy in June, led by Paul Newman of the Scottish >Vernacular Buildings Trust. > >Sian >Graemsay >Orkney > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
Here's a link to an article in Slate e-magazine, regarding single-malt whiskeys and peat-reek, in which Orkney gets a mention. http://slate.msn.com/id/2097036/ Peggy P.S. David Edelstein usually writes as their film critic.
Anyone interested in Thatched Roof tradition in Orkney Farm Buildings, there's an article on this at : http://www.orkney.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1355 And for anyone on the list in Orkney on March 28th, Corrigal Farm Museum have a Strae (Straw) Day from 2 to 5pm. (Admission Free). Visitors can see simmons rope being made as well as having a go, and can try "needling a roof" too. The straw ropes being made are part of a project for re-roofing the Crows Nest at Rackwick, Hoy in June, led by Paul Newman of the Scottish Vernacular Buildings Trust. Sian Graemsay Orkney
>>>Where can I find out more about the clearances on Shapinsay? Any books to recommend? As far as Rousay is concerned try: The Little General and the Rousay Crofters by P.L. Thomson, June 2000 or for more general background but focussing on Western Isles and Highlands (only a few but interesting spotlihts on Orkney) : The Crofters' War by I.M.M. MacPhail (1989). Bought both from the Orcadian Bookshop some time ago ...
I'm planning a trip to Orkney next year and although the job I hold these days has nothing in common with the anthropology degree I earned way back when, I still am very interested in the subject. Does anyone know of any resources that would show illustrations of the Neolithic coastline on Orkney (I'm curious as to Skara Brae's location in relation to the coastline when the community existed), as well as what flora and fauna would've been around then, due to the differences in climate at that time? Thanks! Judy Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam