On 20 March 2004 18:49, stephen davie wrote: > It is for this > reason that I > felt that somewhere in Orkney lie the bones of an old Viking, and > around his neck would be beads. Of course then, the nature of the > folks being what it was, that is to say practical, that perhaps the > dead Viking lost his beads when he checked out, bequeathed to a > relative, or > stolen by a murderer....who knows. Beads found in viking graves in Orkney (so far) are usually associated with female burials. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk
On 20 March 2004 13:26, Dan Graham wrote: > According to the Brinnoven website, > www.brinnoven.com ,a new issue was to be released in June/July 2003 > and "available in any good bookshop in the UK". I've checked the > Orcadian bookshop, Amazon UK, and others, and still haven't found it. Brinnoven had a series of facsimile copies of Marwick's books, including The Orkney Norn, available until about 2000 - presumably when the original stocks produced sold out. At the time it was said a new batch would be available shortly but nothing has ever turned up. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk
Dan, I would try an e-mail to Brinnoven - there's a link on their web site. I also found this on Amazon - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/202-1652925-1887811 Seems the book is out of print and Amazon recommend you order a used copy - wouldn't like to guess what your chances of finding a copy might be. Regards -- Mike Clouston Dan Graham wrote: > Thanks, Mike, > I already have a copy of that book. The one I'm looking for is a copy of > the 1929 book by Hugh Marwick that is more of a Norn dictionary. According > to the Brinnoven website, www.brinnoven.com ,a new issue was to be released > in June/July 2003 and "available in any good bookshop in the UK". I've > checked the Orcadian bookshop, Amazon UK, and others, and still haven't > found it. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Clouston" <mike@mikeclouston.co.uk> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 20 March, 2004 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] The Orkney Norn > > > >>Not seen one by Hugh Marwick, not that I can remember, but there is this >>one in the Orcadian bookshop >> > > https://www.orcadian.co.uk/books/acatalog/Orcadian_Bookshop_The_Norn_Language_of_Orkney_and_Shetland_34.html > >>Regards >>-- >>Mike Clouston >> >>Dan Graham wrote: >> >>> A new edition of Hugh Marwick's "The Orkney Norn" was supposed to > > have been released last year by Brinnoven publishing, but I've not been able > to find a copy anywhere. Does anyone have any information on this? > >>> Dan >>> >>> >>>==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>>To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > >>>'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >>'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >
the beads are beautiful! thanks for sharing. Marion from snowy and cold Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while ploughing > HERE YOU GO. SCROLL DOWN THROUGH ALL THESE AND YOU WILL FIND THE GRAVES > AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL SEE THE BEADS. > > > > > > http://www.beadbugle.com/html/viking_beads.html > > > >
Not seen one by Hugh Marwick, not that I can remember, but there is this one in the Orcadian bookshop https://www.orcadian.co.uk/books/acatalog/Orcadian_Bookshop_The_Norn_Language_of_Orkney_and_Shetland_34.html Regards -- Mike Clouston Dan Graham wrote: > A new edition of Hugh Marwick's "The Orkney Norn" was supposed to have been released last year by Brinnoven publishing, but I've not been able to find a copy anywhere. Does anyone have any information on this? > Dan > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >
The story goes like this, Charlie. Our relatives traded beads with the first nations folks with the HBC. They also acquired native wives. Many of the Orcadian canoemen wore these beads around their neck, which was a convenient place to have them, should your canoe roll over, or you lose a backpack in the rapids. It was like having a little trading money around your neck. I think of it as a wallet on a string.They also wore old medallions, mostly with beavers on them, either trade made beaver tokens, or gift tokens given to influential indians. Aside from their personal beads and medallions, the Company would have them haul major quantities of this merchandise when on the fur trade expansion trail. Much to my surprise, as you see on that website, is the fact that Vikings wore beads long before the trading over here started. And many of the beads were similar to those traded here hundreds of years after Vikings wore them. Many were made in Sweden, but the Venetian and Oriental types were also worn by Vikings. It is for this reason that I felt that somewhere in Orkney lie the bones of an old Viking, and around his neck would be beads. Of course then, the nature of the folks being what it was, that is to say practical, that perhaps the dead Viking lost his beads when he checked out, bequeathed to a relative, or stolen by a murderer....who knows. I am making up some beads for my three kids of Hudson Bay trading beads and a few old Viking pieces. Makes more sense to me than collecting stamps or crystal. And the originals are a good investment. Canorky Stephen On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 07:13 AM, Charlie Petersen wrote: > Wow, Stephen, this is very interesting - thanks for the website. > Charlie in Washington > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while > ploughing > > >> HERE YOU GO. SCROLL DOWN THROUGH ALL THESE AND YOU WILL FIND THE >> GRAVES >> AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL SEE THE BEADS. >>> >> >> >> >> http://www.beadbugle.com/html/viking_beads.html >> >>> >> >> >>> would love to see it. THANKS. >>> Marion >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >>> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while >>> ploughing >>> >>> >>>> I just dug around and found one of the photos. If you like I could >>>> e-mail it to you......Stephen >>>> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote: >>> >>> >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >>> word >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
I have put some new photos of the northern lights on my website www.picturetrail.com/orcadia They're in the merry dancers album, at the end. They were actually taken in November, but as I rarely use print film they have been in the camera ever since waiting for me to finish the film. The last 5 (the new ones) were taken on ISO 800 print film, and were all taken from Deerness in the East Mainland. All around 30 second exposures. Fiona Orkney
HERE YOU GO. SCROLL DOWN THROUGH ALL THESE AND YOU WILL FIND THE GRAVES AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL SEE THE BEADS. > http://www.beadbugle.com/html/viking_beads.html > > would love to see it. THANKS. > Marion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while > ploughing > > >> I just dug around and found one of the photos. If you like I could >> e-mail it to you......Stephen >> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote: > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
On 19 March 2004 23:23, Wolfgang Schlick wrote: > That brings me up to another question: I have some very > simply produced records of ancient monuments in Orkney (a > little more than photocopies, providing a map and rough > decriptions with a grey cover sheet) most of them (may be > all) put together by Dr. Lamb during the 1980es (? sorry, I'm > not sitting at my desk) ... are there any updates available ??? I know the document you mean. But unfortunately there are no updates to it. I suspect it was a pet project of Raymon Lamb's when he was county archaeologist. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk
On 20 March 2004 03:43, stephen davie wrote: > While these pocket caverns are much older, one still might think the > bodies would have been interred with some artifact. Not in the case of kist burials - they usually contain either bone (human) remains or cremated (human) remains. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk
In a message dated 3/20/2004 5:15:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, fiona@deerness.freeserve.co.uk writes: www.picturetrail.com/orcadia Fiona, These photographs are quite wonderful. The first in the series (northern lights) marked "Nov 2003" with the long exposure and the side of the house is most fascinating-superb. I enjoyed that one. Vikram / PA-USA.
Thanks, Mike, I already have a copy of that book. The one I'm looking for is a copy of the 1929 book by Hugh Marwick that is more of a Norn dictionary. According to the Brinnoven website, www.brinnoven.com ,a new issue was to be released in June/July 2003 and "available in any good bookshop in the UK". I've checked the Orcadian bookshop, Amazon UK, and others, and still haven't found it. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Clouston" <mike@mikeclouston.co.uk> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 20 March, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] The Orkney Norn > Not seen one by Hugh Marwick, not that I can remember, but there is this > one in the Orcadian bookshop > https://www.orcadian.co.uk/books/acatalog/Orcadian_Bookshop_The_Norn_Language_of_Orkney_and_Shetland_34.html > Regards > -- > Mike Clouston > > Dan Graham wrote: > > A new edition of Hugh Marwick's "The Orkney Norn" was supposed to have been released last year by Brinnoven publishing, but I've not been able to find a copy anywhere. Does anyone have any information on this? > > Dan > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >
Wow, Stephen, this is very interesting - thanks for the website. Charlie in Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while ploughing > HERE YOU GO. SCROLL DOWN THROUGH ALL THESE AND YOU WILL FIND THE GRAVES > AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL SEE THE BEADS. > > > > > > http://www.beadbugle.com/html/viking_beads.html > > > > > > > would love to see it. THANKS. > > Marion > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Another Bronze Age Burial uncovered while > > ploughing > > > > > >> I just dug around and found one of the photos. If you like I could > >> e-mail it to you......Stephen > >> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Marion wrote: > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >
A new edition of Hugh Marwick's "The Orkney Norn" was supposed to have been released last year by Brinnoven publishing, but I've not been able to find a copy anywhere. Does anyone have any information on this? Dan
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 11:23 pm, Wolfgang Schlick wrote: > That brings me up to another question: I have some very simply produced > records of ancient monuments in Orkney (a little more than photocopies, > providing a map and rough decriptions with a grey cover sheet) most of > them > (may be all) put together by Dr. Lamb during the 1980es (? sorry, I'm > not > sitting at my desk) ... are there any updates available ??? do you know about CANMORE? http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/canmore.html that will show you what records are available for each site. and if that contains references to the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, you can download those articles from here: http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/library/psas/index.cfm Cheers Andy The Megalithic sites of Perthshire: http://www.andysweet.co.uk/stones/
On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 01:53 am, stephen davie wrote: > Interesting how these things keep popping up. Do students and history > affectionados not probe these places for subterranean vaults with some > type of electronic assistance? there are so many cists throughout the whole of Scotland that there just isn't the time, resources or even the interest to investigate them all. the RCAHMS has 203 seperate cist sites (many of them comprising of several cists) listed on CANMORE for Orkney alone! and that doesn't include the many more that are known but not "officially" listed. > I also wonder if when these things are discovered, if there are > artifacts. Seems bones are common, but what about other items? generally speaking, cist burials don't seem to contain artifacts, usually just the bones Cheers Andy The Megalithic sites of Perthshire: http://www.andysweet.co.uk/stones/
>>>Nothing really. Kist burials are *very* common. They are recorded thoroughly and that's about it. ... and as far as I know, they are "dotted" all around, "spread over the ladscape", like "burried, where the dead bodies were found" ... or are there new research results showing specific burrial "grounds" or "areas" for the time in question ... ? That brings me up to another question: I have some very simply produced records of ancient monuments in Orkney (a little more than photocopies, providing a map and rough decriptions with a grey cover sheet) most of them (may be all) put together by Dr. Lamb during the 1980es (? sorry, I'm not sitting at my desk) ... are there any updates available ??? thx Wolfgang
Thank you so much Sigurd! I have enjoyed this article as well as all the others.. Beth Livingston Greenville, SC, USA
On 19 March 2004 22:29, sable13 wrote: > What happens to the farmer then? Is his land not able to be > used anymore? Is he compensated in any way ? Isabella Nothing really. Kist burials are *very* common. They are recorded thoroughly and that's about it. If land was to be put out of use every time a kist was found, we would almost be left with nothing left to farm. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk
Another Bronze Age burial kist exposed while ploughing in Harray. Full story at http://www.orkneyjar.com/archaeology/news.htm -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk