Is there any evidence that early Orcadians had knowledge of the wheel? I realize that they didn't have horses during the Neolithic, but neither did ancient Americans, who nevertheless did use wheels for a few things, including children's toys. Has there been any evidence of Neolithic wheel use in Orkney? Judy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger

The same applies to the Skara Brae stone carved artifacts which also are unique, and in Edinburgh. It is a National Museum so the Victorian logic is to collect the best subjects and leave replicas at the original location. The same thing applies with the British Museum. Whether this is correct is debatable, both intra-UK and of course has turned into a major debate Worldwide. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Re: orkney hood-reply and querie > I cannot help but wonder, if this hood is perhaps "the single most > important artifact ever found in Orkney", why one visiting Orkney would > have to go all the way to Edinburgh to see it? > Is there not housing for such an artifact in Orkney? Such items are > often placed in an environmentally secure glass case in which case they > could be located anywhere secure it seems. Just a thought. I can't see > mucking about in Edinburgh to see this one item, but it certainly is a > very interesting piece of history isn't it? Thanks! > On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Simon Treasure wrote: > > > As previously stated info on the hood can be read at > > http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm it is probably the > > single > > most important artifact ever found in Orkney and the extraordinary > > replica > > made by Jacqui Wood (of Ice Man fame, Neolithic Cooking Delia Smith, > > and one > > of the leading practical reconstructive archaeologists in the World) > > for the > > ArtDiscovery > > Minehowe event of 2002 is on permament display at Tankerness Museum. > > > > Simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tirabasso" <zorahh@sssnet.com> > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > > > > >> No, I wish I did. I thought it was amazing to think that it survived > >> all > >> those years, but then when you think the bog man was so well > >> mummified, > > then > >> it's not hard to understand how this piece of cloth might have > >> survived. > > It > >> looked like a medium weave of something like wool. It seemed quite > >> finely > >> done. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:04 PM > >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > >> > >> > >>> Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? > >>> On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 03:31 AM, Tirabasso wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > >>>> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Just a brief note.... > >>>> > >>>> Parts snipped.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in > >>>>> Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a > >>>>> thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter > >>>>> especially, > >>>>> and the dampness. > >>>> > >>>> Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in > >>>> Kirkwall > >>>> was a > >>>> cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of > >>>> a > >>>> Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > >>>> for a > >>>> short visit and was to return to another museum. > >>>> > >>>> Pat > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >>>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with > >>>> the > >>>> word > >>>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > >> word > >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Stephen, Doesn't it make you wonder...If the hood was found... where is the rest of the clothing? Why just a single piece of clothing? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [<orcadia>] Re: Orkney hood-reply to Fiona - no longer tinkering- now we are tailoring! > Fiona: > > I took a look at the hood on Sigurd's website. I can't believe the > depth of knowledge that man has amassed. Great descriptive piece. I > noticed that it is in a museum in Edinburgh. Seems it was made of wool, > which comes as no real surprise. So, that gets us down to the > shoulders. I guess a shirt type of garment could have been extended > from such a hood, like a hooded sweatshirt. As to legs and feet, that > is still a mystery to me. > > Your comment on subject title changes is duly noted. Thankou. > > Stephen > On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 08:19 AM, Fiona wrote: > > >>> Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall > >>> was a > >>> cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a > >>> Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > >>> for a > >>> short visit and was to return to another museum. > > > >> Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? > > > > There's some information about the Orkney Hood in the archives of the > > Orcadian website: > > http://www.orcadian.co.uk/archive/2002/archive8.htm > > and > > http://www.orcadian.co.uk/features/articles/minehowe2.htm > > > > And also on Sigurd's Orkneyjar website: > > http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm > > > > It was on show at the Orkney Museum for a while, along with the replica > > which was made. I'm not sure if the replica is still on show at the > > Museum, > > hopefully someone else will know this. > > > > > > Also - can I make a small plea? If people email the list on a different > > subject could they please change the subject heading of the email? > > Apart > > from making it easier for people who receive a lot of email to see > > what they > > want to read, it will also make it easier for anyone browsing the > > archives > > of the list for subjects of interest. > > > > Fiona > > Orkney > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >

I cannot help but wonder, if this hood is perhaps "the single most important artifact ever found in Orkney", why one visiting Orkney would have to go all the way to Edinburgh to see it? Is there not housing for such an artifact in Orkney? Such items are often placed in an environmentally secure glass case in which case they could be located anywhere secure it seems. Just a thought. I can't see mucking about in Edinburgh to see this one item, but it certainly is a very interesting piece of history isn't it? Thanks! On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Simon Treasure wrote: > As previously stated info on the hood can be read at > http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm it is probably the > single > most important artifact ever found in Orkney and the extraordinary > replica > made by Jacqui Wood (of Ice Man fame, Neolithic Cooking Delia Smith, > and one > of the leading practical reconstructive archaeologists in the World) > for the > ArtDiscovery > Minehowe event of 2002 is on permament display at Tankerness Museum. > > Simon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tirabasso" <zorahh@sssnet.com> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > >> No, I wish I did. I thought it was amazing to think that it survived >> all >> those years, but then when you think the bog man was so well >> mummified, > then >> it's not hard to understand how this piece of cloth might have >> survived. > It >> looked like a medium weave of something like wool. It seemed quite >> finely >> done. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? >> >> >>> Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? >>> On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 03:31 AM, Tirabasso wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> >>>> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just a brief note.... >>>> >>>> Parts snipped.... >>>> >>>> >>>>> I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in >>>>> Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a >>>>> thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter >>>>> especially, >>>>> and the dampness. >>>> >>>> Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in >>>> Kirkwall >>>> was a >>>> cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of >>>> a >>>> Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there >>>> for a >>>> short visit and was to return to another museum. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with >>>> the >>>> word >>>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word >>> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Fiona: I took a look at the hood on Sigurd's website. I can't believe the depth of knowledge that man has amassed. Great descriptive piece. I noticed that it is in a museum in Edinburgh. Seems it was made of wool, which comes as no real surprise. So, that gets us down to the shoulders. I guess a shirt type of garment could have been extended from such a hood, like a hooded sweatshirt. As to legs and feet, that is still a mystery to me. Your comment on subject title changes is duly noted. Thankou. Stephen On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 08:19 AM, Fiona wrote: >>> Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall >>> was a >>> cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a >>> Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there >>> for a >>> short visit and was to return to another museum. > >> Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? > > There's some information about the Orkney Hood in the archives of the > Orcadian website: > http://www.orcadian.co.uk/archive/2002/archive8.htm > and > http://www.orcadian.co.uk/features/articles/minehowe2.htm > > And also on Sigurd's Orkneyjar website: > http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm > > It was on show at the Orkney Museum for a while, along with the replica > which was made. I'm not sure if the replica is still on show at the > Museum, > hopefully someone else will know this. > > > Also - can I make a small plea? If people email the list on a different > subject could they please change the subject heading of the email? > Apart > from making it easier for people who receive a lot of email to see > what they > want to read, it will also make it easier for anyone browsing the > archives > of the list for subjects of interest. > > Fiona > Orkney > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

As previously stated info on the hood can be read at http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm it is probably the single most important artifact ever found in Orkney and the extraordinary replica made by Jacqui Wood (of Ice Man fame, Neolithic Cooking Delia Smith, and one of the leading practical reconstructive archaeologists in the World) for the ArtDiscovery Minehowe event of 2002 is on permament display at Tankerness Museum. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tirabasso" <zorahh@sssnet.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > No, I wish I did. I thought it was amazing to think that it survived all > those years, but then when you think the bog man was so well mummified, then > it's not hard to understand how this piece of cloth might have survived. It > looked like a medium weave of something like wool. It seemed quite finely > done. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > > > Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? > > On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 03:31 AM, Tirabasso wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a brief note.... > > > > > > Parts snipped.... > > > > > > > > >> I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in > > >> Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a > > >> thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter especially, > > >> and the dampness. > > > > > > Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall > > > was a > > > cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a > > > Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > > > for a > > > short visit and was to return to another museum. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > > word > > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Your plea has been noted. Will do. Thanks Fiona. Pat > Also - can I make a small plea? If people email the list on a different > subject could they please change the subject heading of the email? Apart > from making it easier for people who receive a lot of email to see what they > want to read, it will also make it easier for anyone browsing the archives > of the list for subjects of interest. >

No, I wish I did. I thought it was amazing to think that it survived all those years, but then when you think the bog man was so well mummified, then it's not hard to understand how this piece of cloth might have survived. It looked like a medium weave of something like wool. It seemed quite finely done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? > On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 03:31 AM, Tirabasso wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > > > > > > > Just a brief note.... > > > > Parts snipped.... > > > > > >> I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in > >> Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a > >> thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter especially, > >> and the dampness. > > > > Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall > > was a > > cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a > > Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > > for a > > short visit and was to return to another museum. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > > word > > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >

It may interest listers to know that the archeological treasures of Orkney were extolled on national television in Australia last night by Barry Jones. Barry is a well known academic who was being interviewed by the host of a quiz show - he was one of the 'Brains Trust'- and asked about his recent exploits. He explained how he had visited Orkney, and described the wonders of the main sites with his characteristic vigour and enthusiasm. Great eh?! Margaret

> > Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall > > was a > > cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a > > Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > > for a > > short visit and was to return to another museum. > Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? There's some information about the Orkney Hood in the archives of the Orcadian website: http://www.orcadian.co.uk/archive/2002/archive8.htm and http://www.orcadian.co.uk/features/articles/minehowe2.htm And also on Sigurd's Orkneyjar website: http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/orkneyhood.htm It was on show at the Orkney Museum for a while, along with the replica which was made. I'm not sure if the replica is still on show at the Museum, hopefully someone else will know this. Also - can I make a small plea? If people email the list on a different subject could they please change the subject heading of the email? Apart from making it easier for people who receive a lot of email to see what they want to read, it will also make it easier for anyone browsing the archives of the list for subjects of interest. Fiona Orkney

The issue raised was of clothing. Somehow drifted in that direction from a reference to poetry(Burns). In absence of any dialogue on Vikning/Orkney poetry, we ended up discussing yesteryear stuff, and the clothing question was asked again. I guess when one visualizes gypsies, one thinks perhaps of their colourful attire, and perhaps their music. Boing! There's how you get to clothes again. Another example of spontaneous dialogue born out of a thought/ desire to know a little more about our ancestor's past. The way that young men hopped aboard ships to come here from Orkney with the HBC makes you wonder if there wasn't a little Gypsy in them all. In our family, apparently one young chap in town with his brother, asked the younger fellow to go home and tell his mother that he had gone to america for five years. That's about how a gypsy would organize a trip. But one might have a better visual on what the gypsy wore. The HBC had lots of records of clothing, detailed accounts of actual items purchased on credit by their employees over here. But in earlier years, it seems to be an issue that folks don't much think about. Hope this helps......Stephen On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 04:23 AM, Gelborn@aol.com wrote: > What has this to do with the "tinkers of gypsies?" > I missed the details, so would be glad to know what the question > really was! > Thank you, > Geoffrey Elborn > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Interesting. do you recall what kind of cloth it was? On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 03:31 AM, Tirabasso wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> > To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? > > > > Just a brief note.... > > Parts snipped.... > > >> I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in >> Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a >> thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter especially, >> and the dampness. > > Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall > was a > cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a > Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there > for a > short visit and was to return to another museum. > > Pat > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

We're just having two conversations at once, again, Geoffrey. It happens when it's been too quiet. The first question which was pretty much answered, "Does anyone know of the term 'tinkler' as applied to Scottish gypsies" and the second, " ....enquiring as to what my relatives in Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a thousand years ago" Karen

What has this to do with the "tinkers of gypsies?" I missed the details, so would be glad to know what the question really was! Thank you, Geoffrey Elborn

----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen davie" <stephen.davie@sympatico.ca> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? Just a brief note.... Parts snipped.... > I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in > Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a > thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter especially, > and the dampness. Steve, one item of clothing I did see in the museum there in Kirkwall was a cloth hood worn over the whole head witht the face cut out. Sort of a Balaclava looking item. It had been dug from the peat.. It was there for a short visit and was to return to another museum. Pat

Thank you to Jim and Bob. I've been told of one of these books before and will look it up. Thanks, Fiona in York UK >From: CorseJG@aol.com >Reply-To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 03:25:06 EDT > >Fiona, >A good insight into the life of Tinkers can be found in two books by Betsy >Whyte. > >The first is "The Yellow on the Broom" Warner Books ISBN 0 7515 0738 5 > >The second is "Red Rowans and Wild Honey" Birlin ISBN 1 84158 0708 > >Both are day to day accounts of her life growing up with the "Travelling >Folk" in the Thirties and Forties. > >Hope this helps, > >Jim C. > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

This line brought up Burns and poetry, and made me think of what exists perhaps of Orcadian poetry which might be older and date back to before the Scottish were given domain over our islands. I thought it would be nice to know if in fact poets of yesteryear Viking Orkney existed, and if there were such works, if they were ever translated into a form of language that we "speakers of the english" might understand. Once the gears are switched and Orkney sort of becomes "Scottish", then my original compilation of the works of Burns contains enough food for me without any other side dishes of a lesser chef. I would love to have met him. I ran into a stone wall merely enquiring as to what my relatives in Orkney would have worn on their bodies in the way of clothing say a thousand years ago, considering the weather in the winter especially, and the dampness. When they got over here with the Hudson's Bay Company, the journals are quite informative, and sketches and descriptive passages and a list of items sold to the men from the company, gave a clear picture. I have never seen a sketch of a yesteryear Orcadian Viking. But knowing that we we not kilted till after more of the Scots arrived, I guess one would have to deduce that the clothing issue would be best answered from Norway. And as to the poetry, the Sagas and other documents written of those times may have a clue buried deep. St. Magnus struck me as the type who might have made up a verse or two. Interesting Stuff. Interesting and sometimes frustrating. Stephen On Saturday, May 22, 2004, at 05:19 AM, Fiona Pearson wrote: > Thank you to Jim and Bob. I've been told of one of these books before > and will look it up. > Thanks, > Fiona in York UK > > >> From: CorseJG@aol.com >> Reply-To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >> To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Scottish 'tinklers' or gypsies? >> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 03:25:06 EDT >> >> Fiona, >> A good insight into the life of Tinkers can be found in two books by >> Betsy >> Whyte. >> >> The first is "The Yellow on the Broom" Warner Books ISBN 0 7515 0738 >> 5 >> >> The second is "Red Rowans and Wild Honey" Birlin ISBN 1 84158 0708 >> >> Both are day to day accounts of her life growing up with the >> "Travelling >> Folk" in the Thirties and Forties. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Jim C. >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the >> word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Fiona, A good insight into the life of Tinkers can be found in two books by Betsy Whyte. The first is "The Yellow on the Broom" Warner Books ISBN 0 7515 0738 5 The second is "Red Rowans and Wild Honey" Birlin ISBN 1 84158 0708 Both are day to day accounts of her life growing up with the "Travelling Folk" in the Thirties and Forties. Hope this helps, Jim C.

At 11:34 PM 1/26/04 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know of the term 'tinkler' as applied to Scottish gypsies? I've >never heard of it - it used to be 'tinkers' when i lived in Glasgow. Anyway, >i may be descended from some so would like to hear more! It would certainly >explain why at each census my ancestors were in a different spot! These >Scottish gypsies - they apparently stayed in homes during winter months then >off wandering come spring... sounds like a romantic life to me. Anyone with >gypsie blood in them?? >Wandering off now, >Fiona >(York UK) > Just noticed that in Burn's poem " The Twa Dogs " c.1785 , line 18 is: "Ev'n wi' a tinkler-gipsy's messin" The glossary defines 'tinkler' as a tinker - and of course , everyone knows what a tinker is - right . Bob O >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com

Thanks for letting us know about the web cams, Karen. Sure do appreciate looking at them! kathy --- KJEMEM@aol.com wrote: > Good description of us Miguel. We are from all over > the planet, and our > interests in Orkney are about as diverse as we are, > but it keeps the conversation > interesting. > > I have only been to Orkney once, last June for the > St. Magnus Festival. A > series of chance encounters with various bits of > Orkney information led me to > discover the writing of George Mackay Brown, and > also the St. Magnus Festival. > It then became a compulsion to get there. It was an > incredible experience. > I'd love to be there this June, but, it will have to > wait until 2005. There > are just too many planes, trains, boats, and buses > between here and there to go > two years in a row. > > If anyone is going to the Festival next month, I > hope you'll let us hear all > about it. > And, if anyone hasn't looked at the Festival website > lately, it's grown > considerably. > > http://www.stmagnusfestival.com/ > > Also, I hadn't heard anyone mention that the Tourist > Information site has > added to web cams. > > http://www.visitorkney.com/ > > Pictures aren't as good a being there. But they > help. > > Take care > > Karen > > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send > an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to > orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/