On 07 August 2004 15:37, Bill Irvine wrote: > "the Stronsay sea-beast with his impressive genitalia" perhaps the > Oosic? "Oosic is fossilised walrus penis-bone, and was prized by the > Vikings because it retains a good grip even when it is wet." More likely to be Ben's interpretation of the Stronsay belief in Nuckelavee - a foul creature with the lower body of a horse. Although perhaps the term "lower body of a horse" was the later antiquarians, who recorded the scant surviving tales, way of "cleaning up" the tradition for their readers? -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

On 07 August 2004 15:41, Bill Irvine wrote: > "Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few > times" this does not explain why fully 60 percent of > indentured Hudson's Bay servants in Canada by the eighteenth > century were Orcadians. bill p.s. unless it was the Bay's > intent to hire only underachievers. You'll find the "laziness" of Orcadians remarked upon by a number of historical chroniclers. You have to remember that these people were usually in the upper echelons of society and connected to the landowners of the time. So obviously in their eyes the peasantry were not working hard enough...and probably never would. If someone couldn't come up with the "rent" for the landowner, the fact that the Orcadian family had to survive as well as furnish their master's coffers meant nothing. They were obviously just idle. You'll find it throughout history. Think of the "worthless saxon dogs" the Normans encountered. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

This is brilliant and a real insight. Can you tell me please what 'slothful drones' are...???? " uneducated people of the land who are of bad habits, maybe dirty and of general moral decay " ... I assume...????? and what then does 'Sheipies' translate to please....???? ..... for this Orkadian New Zealander who wants to learn more.... Well done and sorry I cannot speak Latin either otherwise I would love to help. Regards Clinton McInnes Hara is another parish in which are many slothful drones, and on this account called the Sheipies of Haray. On 7/08/2004, at 9:53 AM, Sigurd Towrie wrote: > It's taken a long time but I've finally put a translation of this > sixteenth > century gem online. > > Originally written in Latin, the translation includes information not > deemed > suitable for the original publication in Barry's "History of Orkney" - > namely Troicis, the Stronsay sea-beast with his impressive genitalia. > > However, there remain sections which I (with my rudimentary Latin), and > translaters before me, have struggled with. So I'd be glad to hear from > anyone with a grasp of Latin who fancies taking a look and offering > their > opinions (reply offlist to address below). > > The new section is at http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/joben > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

HBC in fact did hire underachievers, right off the bat. They were at first Englishmen, vacumed up off the streets of London. They consistently performed very poorly, were cowardly, and totally unsuited for a tough long-term challenge. They were not adaptable, and had few manly skills suited to the real outdoors. And unsurprising to those of us who are descendant Canorkies (my term) who came to Canada with that monopolistic corporate English symbol of imperialism, the english were unsuited to the rigors of any typical challenge in the constantly- changing natural world. Our viking forefathers on the other hand, passed along the lifeskills needed to thrive and survive. These included sea skills, and great "camping' wisdom for a variety of extreme weather-related circumstances The HBC journals I have read, occasionally are critical of the Orcadian HBC men. But the criticism was usually written by an englishman, who was incapable of communicating effectively with our first nations peoples, whom adored the Orcadians and loathed the English. History recorded shows that fearless and courageous men alone, blazed the trails for latter-day immigrants from Britian, and the first choice for getting the job done was the Orkneymen from Firth and Stennes, according to all credible historical records in this country. (by the way, the English finally coughed up their HBC records which now have their rightful home in Winnipeg, Manitoba.) In my family, it was evident that if you lived in Firth, as we did in Grimbister near Davie Brig, and you wern't the eldest son of a landowner, your chances of owning ground regardless of how hard you worked were somewhere between nil and nothing, unless you could win the heart of an only daughter with sick parents. In our family, on one occasion, two young men went to Stennes where an HBC boat was set to sail for the west. One of the young men said, "Go home and tell Ma that I have gone west with the HBC but I'll be back in five years." That type of adventurous spirit, passed down from Viking roots, in my mind is far from the general description of an underachiever. When I meet resident Orcadians on this site and elsewhere, there is an undertow of curiosity and even a little envy of those families who came out here, and slugged it out, swallowing mosquitoes by the pound when they dared breath, losing their digits to frostbite, and confronting wild beasts in the Bay area, with the worst of weapons handed out buy the company, which often blew up in the face of the shooter confronted with a bear, or whilst gathering meat. On August 24, 1782, our own Andrew Davie was captured with other Orkneymen at fort Prince of Wales on Hudson's Bay. The circumstances were rather odd, and the company were critical of the Orkneymen. Few of them were ever trained to fire cannons which were placed on the walls. I suppose as the French arrived, the lead-butted, chair-smothering englishmen who commanded the Company from London would have liked it better if all the Orcadian men fought their hearts out , and died with their Orkney blood spilling onto the fallen union jack. But they were survivors. Their conclusion was sort of "Hey, we are here doing our thing for the company, where few others could. We want to go home in five years or ten, with our hard earned money, to our families. Dying at the hands of some beplumed frenchman who dropped in unannunced is not part of the deal. So why not see if the man has a bottle or two of brandy aboard, make peace, have a nice caribou and grouse feast with bluberry pie and thereafter, find our way to the company and explain that ill equiped as we were to defend it, we chose to live." This beautiful piece of history underlines the practical thinking of Orcadians. Also, whereas the English viewed natives here as a sub species, sort of half human and half bear, the Orcadians learned skills from them, and took native women for wives, in contrast to the stiff and haughty Brits. One of our distant relatives, Joseph Isbister, took a native wife (called country wives) and their son Alexander took a law degree in Scotland and thereafter championed the cause of Metis in the employ of the company. I was at a native Pow Wow on Manitoulin Island last weekend, and while watching the dances, I imagined our forefathers sitting through a similar gathering, eyeing some brown-eyed maiden, and contriving a plan to take her off, without having his throat cut in the process. Our property on Georgian Bay at Janet head, looks north into the cool waters of the North Shore, and I sat with my daughter-in-law, discussing how four hundred years ago, voyageurs could have very cnceivably camped on our expanse of pebble beach, still very much as natural and untouched as it was then. Sorry Sig, but this Thorfin/Kolbein/Grimbister/Borwick/Davie doesn't like to read the hint that the men who opened the doors in this harsh country were somehow underachievers. Anyone who thinks so should hop aboard a wooden boat, sans engine, and travel from Stennes through the Hudson Straits to Churchill, just for starters. Then try standing in front of a hungry and riled polar bear with a poor scattergun, and keep enough composure to make the one shot from this 20 guage disaster count. Nope, the fact that times were tough on Orkney doesn't make the people underachievers. The records here, thousands of pages of exciting factual stories of adventure, paint the truth. Any North American interested in Orkney and their roots, might well wish to visit Winnipeg and Fort York, and unearth the contributions achieved by truly remarkable, unshakeable and tenacious young men with a lust for adventure. Yours Aye: Stephen Davie (Canorky with a little native blood too!) On Saturday, August 7, 2004, at 07:40 AM, Bill Irvine wrote: > "Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few times" > this does not explain why fully 60 percent of indentured Hudson's Bay > servants in Canada by the eighteenth century were Orcadians. > bill > p.s. unless it was the Bay's intent to hire only underachievers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sigurd Towrie <sigurd@orkneyjar.com> > Date: Saturday, August 7, 2004 1:34 am > Subject: RE: [<orcadia>] Jo Ben's Descriptio Insularum Orchadiarum > >> On 07 August 2004 05:22, Clint McInnes wrote: >> >>> This is brilliant and a real insight. Can you tell me please what >>> 'slothful drones' are...???? " uneducated people of the land who are >>> of bad habits, maybe >>> dirty and >>> of general moral decay " ... I assume...????? >> >> Indeed. Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few >> times. >>> and what then does >>> 'Sheipies' translate to please....???? >> >> I'm still looking into this one. On first glance it would appear >> to relate >> to "sheep" - however I suspect there's more to it and that it's a >> Norn term >> the author didn't understand so simply wrote what it sounded like. >> >> -- >> Sigurd Towrie >> Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney >> Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com >> Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com >> Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with >> the word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

On 07 August 2004 05:22, Clint McInnes wrote: > This is brilliant and a real insight. Can you tell me please what > 'slothful drones' are...???? " uneducated people of the land who are > of bad habits, maybe > dirty and > of general moral decay " ... I assume...????? Indeed. Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few times. > and what then does > 'Sheipies' translate to please....???? I'm still looking into this one. On first glance it would appear to relate to "sheep" - however I suspect there's more to it and that it's a Norn term the author didn't understand so simply wrote what it sounded like. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

"Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few times" this does not explain why fully 60 percent of indentured Hudson's Bay servants in Canada by the eighteenth century were Orcadians. bill p.s. unless it was the Bay's intent to hire only underachievers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sigurd Towrie <sigurd@orkneyjar.com> Date: Saturday, August 7, 2004 1:34 am Subject: RE: [<orcadia>] Jo Ben's Descriptio Insularum Orchadiarum > On 07 August 2004 05:22, Clint McInnes wrote: > > > This is brilliant and a real insight. Can you tell me please what > > 'slothful drones' are...???? " uneducated people of the land who are > > of bad habits, maybe > > dirty and > > of general moral decay " ... I assume...????? > > Indeed. Jo Ben harps on about the laziness of the Orcadians a few > times. > > and what then does > > 'Sheipies' translate to please....???? > > I'm still looking into this one. On first glance it would appear > to relate > to "sheep" - however I suspect there's more to it and that it's a > Norn term > the author didn't understand so simply wrote what it sounded like. > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with > the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

"the Stronsay sea-beast with his impressive genitalia" perhaps the Oosic? "Oosic is fossilised walrus penis-bone, and was prized by the Vikings because it retains a good grip even when it is wet." bill canadian orcadian ----- Original Message ----- From: Sigurd Towrie <sigurd@orkneyjar.com> Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 2:53 pm Subject: [<orcadia>] Jo Ben's Descriptio Insularum Orchadiarum > It's taken a long time but I've finally put a translation of this > sixteenthcentury gem online. > > Originally written in Latin, the translation includes information > not deemed > suitable for the original publication in Barry's "History of > Orkney" - > namely Troicis, . > > However, there remain sections which I (with my rudimentary > Latin), and > translaters before me, have struggled with. So I'd be glad to hear > fromanyone with a grasp of Latin who fancies taking a look and > offering their > opinions (reply offlist to address below). > > The new section is at http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/joben > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with > the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

It's taken a long time but I've finally put a translation of this sixteenth century gem online. Originally written in Latin, the translation includes information not deemed suitable for the original publication in Barry's "History of Orkney" - namely Troicis, the Stronsay sea-beast with his impressive genitalia. However, there remain sections which I (with my rudimentary Latin), and translaters before me, have struggled with. So I'd be glad to hear from anyone with a grasp of Latin who fancies taking a look and offering their opinions (reply offlist to address below). The new section is at http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/joben -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

... well, bearing Sigurds notes in mind, it looks like a very very large form or very very early stage of what later will be something like the horse teeth stones you can find in the top soils / formations at Yesnaby ...

On 01 August 2004 01:12, STRONSAY2@cs.com wrote: > Sigurd: this is fascinating (as the whole blog site is) but I need a > context to define what you are showing us: was the photo taken from > the air, or is it a greatly magnified shot of something quite small? It's simply a picture taken looking down (from a standing position) on a strange geological feature found between Borwick and the Bay o' Skaill. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

Good work... really interesting. I wonder whether 'tether' is a generic term for the animal in question being tethered. In other words 'Peter Wilson stole George Taylor's tether (teather)' ... would mean he took the tether and the attached animal to boot !..... makes sense to my simple way of thinking. No doubt wiser Orkadian brains than mine with solve the missing the story. These are the sort of things that make interesting reading and an understanding of life in earlier days... Food for thought ..... The loan to the church by way of animals rather than shillings...... I wonder whether the church in good Scottish fashion was doing a bit of speculating. They had worked out that on average that by the time the loan was repaid the value would have increased. The animal would also have grown if young and they could sell at a time to suit themselves also with no charge for grazing.... ???? Thanks Clinton McInnes (NZ) On 3/08/2004, at 3:51 AM, Greenwood wrote: > Am now going through all the pages I photographed while in Kirkwall and > beginning to make notes on their content. My main parish of interest > is > Orphir. I found the Library has Kirk Sessions for just over 100 years > beginning 1709 ! I'm seeing some phrases that I don't understand at > all. > > These Kirk Sessions notes also included disbursements to the parish > poor > which were each named sometimes with hardship notations. Deposits were > also recorded as were loans from the Donation Box which had to be > repaid > at a later date. Marriage money is noted by who gave the money > [cautioner] and who it was for. Uses of the Mortcloth were noted, but > I > can't be sure if the name given was the name of the deceased or the > name > of the person paying for the rental. Other notes are for payments to > persons doing repairs to the church or grounds and 'mowing' of the > churchyard. How might mowing be accomplished back then ? A sickle or > scythe ? > > One particular mortcloth was written in the Dec 29, 1765 minutes as > being - rental of Mortcloth to Thomas ISBISTER's wife. Did the wife > die > or was it her husband Thomas that died ? > > Occasionally there will be a deposit notation that someone made a > donation equal to the price of a fleece of wool or the price of an > unmarked lamb. Why such a notation and not just a deposit of X number > of shillings ? I've seen new lambs in Orphir wearing their colors - a > dye mark whick I suppose denotes ownership or perhaps it marks a male > or > female ? I'm guessing here. > > One specific incident in 1765 had to do with questioning a family for > 'blasphemous' verbal accusations of Peter WILSON stealing George > TAYLOR's 'teather'. At first I thought the word was 'teeth' ! > Evidently the TAYLORs in Cutmillies cursed Peter WILSON in Hobbister as > a Proven Thief, wished ill towards his wife, cow, calf and bairns, then > prayed his peats would burn up ! Witnesses to the case were called up > and their ages were given. One was Isobel GARIOK aged 30 & upwards. > Another was James FERQUHARD aged 40 & upwards. > > If anyone knows what a 'teather' is, please let me know, as I live in > cowboy country, the nearest image I can conjure up are like the reins > to > a horse which can be used as a tether to tie it to a post so it won't > wander off while the rider is on an errand or partaking of a brewski. > > This is proving to be most interesting reading, and the original books > were in amaing shape - digital photos are very clear. Seems the > microfilmed parish books of the 1800s I have access to are much less > readable than the originals in Kirkwall. Microfilming done in the 70s > and 80s was good for the time which led me to think the originals must > be in horrible shape by now, but they are in magnificent shape, it was > the filming process at fault. > > Am working on adding these notations to my website run my Mike Clouston > that contains the Free Church records for Orphir and a few other > parishes. Will not be using the original wording, its much too long to > wade through and the images I've taken of the pages are copyrighted. > I > am allowed to condense and paraphrase these notes and not cause > problems > with copyright issues. > > There are not very many Orphir researchers our there, but I hope to add > to our growing databases available by slowly getting these done. > > Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > Also Posted to the ORKNEY-L Mailing List > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Have a great trip ... and walk the hallowed fields. Clinton McInnes On 3/08/2004, at 1:11 AM, Marion wrote: > Heading to Orkney. > See you soon Marion M. > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

A month long excavation at Minehowe began today, with archaeologists returning to the site for the fourth year. Last year's excavations around the chamber revealed what was heralded as "one of the finest assemblages of Iron Age metalworking ever found in Britain" and the 2004 programme of excavations aims to focus further on the various aspects of metalworking that once took place on the site. In addition, the excavators hope to discover why there is such incredibly deep soils in certain areas of the site. Members of the public interested in the latest work at Minehowe can join one of the free guided tours of the excavation, which will run Monday to Friday at noon and 3pm. The 2004 excavation work was sponsored by Orkney Islands Council, Historic Scotland, Orkney Enterprise and Orkney College. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

Am now going through all the pages I photographed while in Kirkwall and beginning to make notes on their content. My main parish of interest is Orphir. I found the Library has Kirk Sessions for just over 100 years beginning 1709 ! I'm seeing some phrases that I don't understand at all. These Kirk Sessions notes also included disbursements to the parish poor which were each named sometimes with hardship notations. Deposits were also recorded as were loans from the Donation Box which had to be repaid at a later date. Marriage money is noted by who gave the money [cautioner] and who it was for. Uses of the Mortcloth were noted, but I can't be sure if the name given was the name of the deceased or the name of the person paying for the rental. Other notes are for payments to persons doing repairs to the church or grounds and 'mowing' of the churchyard. How might mowing be accomplished back then ? A sickle or scythe ? One particular mortcloth was written in the Dec 29, 1765 minutes as being - rental of Mortcloth to Thomas ISBISTER's wife. Did the wife die or was it her husband Thomas that died ? Occasionally there will be a deposit notation that someone made a donation equal to the price of a fleece of wool or the price of an unmarked lamb. Why such a notation and not just a deposit of X number of shillings ? I've seen new lambs in Orphir wearing their colors - a dye mark whick I suppose denotes ownership or perhaps it marks a male or female ? I'm guessing here. One specific incident in 1765 had to do with questioning a family for 'blasphemous' verbal accusations of Peter WILSON stealing George TAYLOR's 'teather'. At first I thought the word was 'teeth' ! Evidently the TAYLORs in Cutmillies cursed Peter WILSON in Hobbister as a Proven Thief, wished ill towards his wife, cow, calf and bairns, then prayed his peats would burn up ! Witnesses to the case were called up and their ages were given. One was Isobel GARIOK aged 30 & upwards. Another was James FERQUHARD aged 40 & upwards. If anyone knows what a 'teather' is, please let me know, as I live in cowboy country, the nearest image I can conjure up are like the reins to a horse which can be used as a tether to tie it to a post so it won't wander off while the rider is on an errand or partaking of a brewski. This is proving to be most interesting reading, and the original books were in amaing shape - digital photos are very clear. Seems the microfilmed parish books of the 1800s I have access to are much less readable than the originals in Kirkwall. Microfilming done in the 70s and 80s was good for the time which led me to think the originals must be in horrible shape by now, but they are in magnificent shape, it was the filming process at fault. Am working on adding these notations to my website run my Mike Clouston that contains the Free Church records for Orphir and a few other parishes. Will not be using the original wording, its much too long to wade through and the images I've taken of the pages are copyrighted. I am allowed to condense and paraphrase these notes and not cause problems with copyright issues. There are not very many Orphir researchers our there, but I hope to add to our growing databases available by slowly getting these done. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA Also Posted to the ORKNEY-L Mailing List

Heading to Orkney. See you soon Marion M.

Sigurd: this is fascinating (as the whole blog site is) but I need a context to define what you are showing us: was the photo taken from the air, or is it a greatly magnified shot of something quite small? Anne Slater Ardmore, PA (just outside Philadelphia)

The photos are excellent Sigurd! Thanks so much Kathy --- Sigurd Towrie <sigurd@orkneyjar.com> wrote: > After some experimentation, the Orkneyjar photoblog > is now online and should > be updated daily. > > See http://www.orkneyjar.com/photoblog/index.html > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send > an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to > orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hi...The name is Clinton McInnes...grandson of Annie Clouston who left Orkney for NZ in 1911. My interests are the Clouston, Garson family trees...plus others .... and any other stories and history of the Orkneys its people families, folklore, poetry, music, old photographs, art, antiques and traditions. I always remember my gran and the old painting she had of the Orkney coast at night when I was a child...It left a lasting impression with me. Regards to all the cousins at whatever point removed...I sort of get the feeling that the whole of the Orkneys is like a small family when you get back in the trees.... Regards Clinton

After some experimentation, the Orkneyjar photoblog is now online and should be updated daily. See http://www.orkneyjar.com/photoblog/index.html -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

Wonderful pictures Sigurd! Your son looks darling! Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sigurd Towrie To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: [<orcadia>] Orkneyjar Photoblog After some experimentation, the Orkneyjar photoblog is now online and should be updated daily. See http://www.orkneyjar.com/photoblog/index.html -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com