Nah berns, I haven't been able to operate this *&^^% computer for days and what do I find when I do get on.............. just sit down and take a deep breath ...............that's good, one more time. This sort of thing happens on every list and it happens very rarely on this one. A couple of days and it will all be over. If you think this has been bad, you should see some of the blankety blank blank that took over my quilting list... No kidding..........quilters having a Waterloo over a few patterns and other daft stuff. Went on for weeks. That was one list I really did quit...... Stella

I think of how Orkney in it's glorious history, back in the days of the Saga and up to world war two, experienced it's times in history of pain, the horrors of war and bloodshed. For the Sagas read: "ILL FORTUNE FOLLOWED WHEN THE EARLS FOUGHT, MANY A HARD LESSON LEARNED, MANY A LIFE LOST; WHERE THE SPEAR SHOWER FELL, THERE FOUGHT OUR FRIENDS; MANY A DEAR ONE THAT DAY LAY DEAD AT ROBERRY." Maybe Orkney learned their hard lesson, about yesteryear and current day " logic, order and normality." *********************************** Now Stephen, that's a thought. Lessons learned in the great global consciousness. I am reminded of Sweden, (and a fine bunch of warriors they were along with the Danes and Norwegians.) who have remained stubbornly neutral on wars now for a very long time. Stella, south and west of Canada

Would you take me off this list? It is too garbagey for me. Thanks, Jennifer Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sigurd Towrie" <sigurd@orkneyjar.com> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [<orcadia>] Old Farm House, Grimbister, and Snapping overGinger > On 30 September 2004 21:30, Lisa Conrad wrote: > > > Well. > > > > Looks like I have made more friends, luckily, than enemies. Many of > > you agree with me. > > Can we close this now. No more on the list please. > > -- > Sigurd Towrie > Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney > Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com > Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com > Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

>A little piece from Thursday's Scotsman (not stovies). Jan > >FACT OF THE DAY > > >Scottish explorer John Rae was born today in Orkney in 1813. Rae is famous >for discovering the Canadian arctic Northwest passage and evidence of the >fate of previous explorer John Franklin. Rae developed a profound respect >for Inuit custom and practice during his arctic journeys but was >castigated on his return to Britain for revealing that Franklin's >expedition had turned to cannibalism. ><http://heritage.scotsman.com/cfm/heritagenews/headlines.cfm>Read more >news on Scotland's heritage here Jan Nary 31 Leybourne St, Chelmer Queensland 4068 Publicist & Journalist National Folk Festival Publicist <http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/>http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/ Co-host Acoustic Harvest Bay FM 100.3 <http://www.bayfm.org.au/>http://www.bayfm.org.au/ tel. 44 7 3379 4178 fax 447 3278 2360 mob. 0429 898 328 UK 07905 976 173

Hi, Anne - there's an article in Thursday's Scotsman about an Edinburgh literary project, via UNESCO, that may provide some useful contacts - I'll send it to you off line. Cheers, Jan (Brisbane) At 07:29 AM 1/10/2004 Friday, you wrote: >Is one of us knowledgable on the subject of contemporary Scottish and >Orcadian literature? >I am a college librarian. One of the students who works for me wants to do >her thesis on a particular aspect of Scottish literature and I would like to >give her some help. No Scots (to say nothing of Orcadian) literati on campus. > >Anne Slater >(Bryn Mawr College, outside Philadelphia, PA) > > >==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word >'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com

yes, john rae is the world's most successful arctic explorer http://www.geocities.com/wjis21/index.html these pages list his travels goononya, bill Bill Irvine, victoria bc canada alternate email: wji@islandnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Nary" <jnarypr@gil.com.au> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [<orcadia>] Fwd: Scotsman.com News Thursday 30 September 2004 > > >A little piece from Thursday's Scotsman (not stovies). > Jan > > > > >FACT OF THE DAY > > > > > >Scottish explorer John Rae was born today in Orkney in 1813. Rae is famous > >for discovering the Canadian arctic Northwest passage and evidence of the > >fate of previous explorer John Franklin. Rae developed a profound respect > >for Inuit custom and practice during his arctic journeys but was > >castigated on his return to Britain for revealing that Franklin's > >expedition had turned to cannibalism. > ><http://heritage.scotsman.com/cfm/heritagenews/headlines.cfm>Read more > >news on Scotland's heritage here > > > Jan Nary 31 Leybourne St, Chelmer Queensland 4068 > Publicist & Journalist > National Folk Festival Publicist > <http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/>http://www.folkfestival.asn.au/ > Co-host Acoustic Harvest Bay FM 100.3 > <http://www.bayfm.org.au/>http://www.bayfm.org.au/ > tel. 44 7 3379 4178 fax 447 3278 2360 mob. 0429 898 328 UK 07905 976 173 > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

On 30 September 2004 21:30, Lisa Conrad wrote: > Well. > > Looks like I have made more friends, luckily, than enemies. Many of > you agree with me. Can we close this now. No more on the list please. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

Right folks, lets get back to on-topic subjects. To repeat the purpose of the list yet again: "This list is for the discussion of Orkney, Orcadian traditions and heritage." Anything other than the above, no matter how tenously linked, is not appropriate and I for one am getting slightly tired of finding my inbox filled with nothing worth reading. So much so that the Orcadia mailing list is on the verge of being cancelled. Also: "Do not post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc." Those are the list rules. Anyone who finds them too strict can exercise their right to unsubscribe. And please...no reponses to this email via the list. I can be contacted off-list if required. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: www.orkneyjar.com Home: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Work: sigurd.towrie@orcadian.co.uk

Is one of us knowledgable on the subject of contemporary Scottish and Orcadian literature? I am a college librarian. One of the students who works for me wants to do her thesis on a particular aspect of Scottish literature and I would like to give her some help. No Scots (to say nothing of Orcadian) literati on campus. Anne Slater (Bryn Mawr College, outside Philadelphia, PA)

My reply is offline. Cubby Roo would reply online. Back to stovies. Meant no offense. Just felt so sorry for that tearful Brit on t.v. in Iraqi jail. I hope the gentleman is still alive. War is such a sin. At least that is the national view of we Canuks. > On the contrary... > > (1) you are vitriolic, > (2) wanting things to follow Orcadian topics on an Orcadian mailing > list is > NOT censorship, > and (3) you were doing the SAME type of thing last December, and I am > not > referring to Orkney beer... > you called Bush and Blair "political hacks". > > We definitely disagree. > > But not about Orkney. > > So let's keep it to that. > > Lisa > > > {> on 9/30/04 2:25 PM <} - stephen davie wrote -- > > I think it is around eight p.m. Bets are on Kerry. I don't share your > views on censorship, and we probably wouldn't make a great canoe > paddling team, but I respect your viewpoint, if somewhat vitriolic. I > was responding to someone who had a view on orkney beer, or whatever, > and she thought it was off topic. I think it was Orkney beer. I never > had a sheepdip, or a ramsrump or whatever. > Yours Aye: Stephen > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Thanks Lisa. I was just about to ask to be removed from the list. t -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Conrad [mailto:nisus00@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:36 PM To: ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Old Farm House, Grimbister, and Snapping overGinger Stephen -- can I remind you of your words nearly a year ago, when Sigurd encouraged us, over and over, to please stick to ORKNEY topics. Which you can't seem to do. Here was [in part] your reply to Sigurd's plea, sent to the List: "on 12/9/03 6:30 AM, stephen davie wrote -- [...] Now then Sig, [...] I looked up your website and reviewed the instructions, and I can truly appreciate the frustrations you go through to preserve quality. Someone who doesn't like a message will always shoot the messenger, and that would be you I am sure... [...] The "chatting" can be done one to one without irritating others. I figured that out too late it seems... [...] We all get too soon old and too late smart." I myself have no desire to hear of your clueless, rude, misinformed and misplaced political rantings on this ORCADIA-List. Keep your Bush and Blair bashing to your own miserable self. If you don't wish to inform yourself of, or face, the realities and consequences of the terrorism all of this world faces, and do something constructive about it, keep your political comments to yourself, or share them with others of your ilk. Don't tell the Orcadia-List. My apologies to the rest of you for my directness. Lisa ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com

I think it is around eight p.m. Bets are on Kerry. I don't share your views on censorship, and we probably wouldn't make a great canoe paddling team, but I respect your viewpoint, if somewhat vitriolic. I was responding to someone who had a view on orkney beer, or whatever, and she thought it was off topic. I think it was Orkney beer. I never had a sheepdip, or a ramsrump or whatever. Yours Aye: Stephen On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Lisa Conrad wrote: > Stephen -- can I remind you of your words nearly a year ago, when > Sigurd > encouraged us, over and over, to please stick to ORKNEY topics. Which > you > can't seem to do. > > Here was [in part] your reply to Sigurd's plea, sent to the List: > > "on 12/9/03 6:30 AM, stephen davie wrote -- [...] Now then Sig, [...] > I > looked up your website and reviewed the instructions, and I can truly > appreciate the frustrations you go through to preserve quality. > Someone who > doesn't like a message will always shoot the messenger, and that would > be > you I am sure... [...] The "chatting" can be done one to one without > irritating others. I figured that out too late it seems... [...] We > all get > too soon old and too late smart." > > > > > I myself have no desire to hear of your clueless, rude, misinformed and > misplaced political rantings on this ORCADIA-List. > Keep your Bush and Blair bashing to your own miserable self. > If you don't wish to inform yourself of, or face, the realities and > consequences of the terrorism all of this world faces, and do something > constructive about it, keep your political comments to yourself, or > share > them with others of your ilk. > Don't tell the Orcadia-List. > > > My apologies to the rest of you for my directness. > > > Lisa > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Well. Looks like I have made more friends, luckily, than enemies. Many of you agree with me. Quite a few of you have let me know that you are relieved at hearing my comment, and certainly do want Stephen to curtail his off-topic comments. Thanks for your support. Lisa

Offline? Yours went right to the Orcadia List... not to my box. I don't understand. (BTW, my belief is that war is not a sin in protection of universal human principles of good and right... terrorism, however, is a sin, is the thing that deserves contempt and hate, and I rebel against it. If you feel sorry for "that tearful Brit on t.v." as you so politicize him, blame the wacko terrorists who captured and are horribly torturing him, for crying out loud, not the President of my country.) </rant> L. {> on 9/30/04 3:13 PM <} - stephen davie wrote -- My reply is offline. Cubby Roo would reply online. Back to stovies. Meant no offense. Just felt so sorry for that tearful Brit on t.v. in Iraqi jail. I hope the gentleman is still alive. War is such a sin. At least that is the national view of we Canuks.

Orkney does that to you. You think you're going over there just to see some burial spot or other. You step on the islands and suddenly to whole world opens up to you from that very ancient place. Even talking about Orkney will take from potatoes to old civilizations to the moon and standing stones to beer. It's the magic of Orkney that opens you and can make you feel muddled. Kathy --- Lisbeth Jardine <lisjardine@msn.com> wrote: > I thought we were talking about potatoes? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

On the contrary... (1) you are vitriolic, (2) wanting things to follow Orcadian topics on an Orcadian mailing list is NOT censorship, and (3) you were doing the SAME type of thing last December, and I am not referring to Orkney beer... you called Bush and Blair "political hacks". We definitely disagree. But not about Orkney. So let's keep it to that. Lisa {> on 9/30/04 2:25 PM <} - stephen davie wrote -- I think it is around eight p.m. Bets are on Kerry. I don't share your views on censorship, and we probably wouldn't make a great canoe paddling team, but I respect your viewpoint, if somewhat vitriolic. I was responding to someone who had a view on orkney beer, or whatever, and she thought it was off topic. I think it was Orkney beer. I never had a sheepdip, or a ramsrump or whatever. Yours Aye: Stephen

Thank the Lord for your refreshing free and beautiful spirit!! Stephen On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 06:31 AM, Kathy wrote: > Too bad. I rather enjoy these rants. > Kathy > --- KJEMEM@aol.com wrote: > >> We seem to get these rants after a full moon. I'm >> sure we'll return to our >> normal, logical, orderly ways soon. >> >> Karen >> >> >> ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send >> an e-mail with the word >> 'unsubscribe' in the message body to >> orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the > word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Whew! "Our" normal, logical and orderly ways? Hmmm. Well, Karen, we don't live in a "normal, logical and orderly" world any more, do we? The point you raise is a good one though. Orkney is somehow far and away form the stresses and strains of life as we know it in North America's populated areas, and the world's twisted definitions of your three descriptive adjectives. As for the issue of the full moon and ranting, (good issue) while the moon is full tonight, turn on the tube and watch the duel of America's finest. Here we have the Bush -Kerry debate, the highpoint of a campaign rife with deception of every colour. Bush (Bin Laden's business partner) appears to be ahead in the poles, the choice of the American heart mind conscience and soul. Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling? Go figure! There is something to rant about. The man blew up Iraqui women and kids while Bin laden hid safely elsewhere, and oil was never mentioned. Now they are debating to see who is the best choice to lead their failure retreat from this dryland Vietnam left sadly with no more bombing opportunities. Maybe this time they will figure out how to count the ballots, and people of colour won't be disenfranchised of their democratic right. Normal America....logical orderly election.....hmmmmm. In a country that won't allow a photo of an honourable dedicated dead soldier's casket.( Probably not logical and people would rant.) Meanwhile, elsewhere in the Normal world, Tony, the paper albeit articulate tiger, Blair, has decided to tell the truth about those non-existent weapons in Iraq that caused him to get sucked into the latest American oil war. It took yesterday, a pleading sobbing innocent Brit hostage, begging for his life on British TV while imprisoned in Iraq awaiting his slaughter, to get the paper tiger out of his ethics jackpot. Normal, logical and orderly world. O.K., if you say so. I'll vote for Georgie then, and buy into order logic and normality. Where do I send my tax-deductible donation? Seriously though, Orkney for me and many others , has a sense of being aside from all this worldly "normality" you brought up. I am looking forward to my trip there this fall, in the absence of tourists from the normal logical world most live in. I hope that through time, those special islands from whence we came, will remain just as they are. I think of an uneasy grey rolling sea on a chilly fall day, waterfowl beading over a rocky shore propelled by brisk winds above the heads of snoozy timeless grey seals happy as clams and putting in another normal orderly Orkney day. I think of how Orkney in it's glorious history, back in the days of the Saga and up to world war two, experienced it's times in history of pain, the horrors of war and bloodshed. For the Sagas read: "ILL FORTUNE FOLLOWED WHEN THE EARLS FOUGHT, MANY A HARD LESSON LEARNED, MANY A LIFE LOST; WHERE THE SPEAR SHOWER FELL, THERE FOUGHT OUR FRIENDS; MANY A DEAR ONE THAT DAY LAY DEAD AT ROBERRY." Maybe Orkney learned their hard lesson, about yesteryear and current day " logic, order and normality." And I hope that the sense of peace and tranquility she emits, is permanent and everlasting, and history has taught the lesson well. I hope my new friends I have met there never have to lock a door. Can a north american imagine living in an island community with no policeman and no crime? I am not a fan of "normal, logical and orderly" as perceived by today's elected leaders. Money and power eats up their morals. But I am a huge fan of Orkney. And on this site we have discussed stovies, trees, vikings, weather, bere, single malt, the "Ba", orthographic peculiarities,seals, cattle, sheep and lots of neat stuff related to Orkney, the people and the history. Folks from Australia to Africa, from Taiwan to Toronto, all somehow mystified by the place and attracted to this wonderful site. But to try to mute the views of all or dampen the enthusiasm for freedom in a non-exclusive little society. For to do so, if normal logical and orderly, somehow would become a bore. And as I read the Sagas and the accounts of HBC explorers, boring isn't part of the Orcadian makeup. Neither is vulnerability to suppression or intimidation. If you anticipate munching stovies, to me, following through with a ramsbottom or a sheep dip, is normal logical but nor so sure about orderly. I have to get rest now, for tonight I will watch the debate of America's great on the tube, and thereafter howl at the wonderful unchanged full moon! After all, the hockey season has been cancelled due to labour problems. Go George!! Pass the Stennes Stovies and another Sheep dip! Yours Aye: Stephen (Canorky)

Hey, My E-mail was recently restored. Did not have my 'Save Email' switch on in preferences. Would be delighted to have those Burray links resent to me. Also, how long has the Cursiter Quarry been in business? Does it have a connection to the artist? And did that empty lot across from the Highland Park Distillery sell? - Dan In Chicago

I thought we were talking about potatoes? And origins/history of cooking? Only rant I perceived was somehow a plea for narrow consistency to spare minds from muddles. It seems to me, that anything Orcadian had to have come from some place else, from migrators who brought things from elsewhere with them. So, in order to talk about Orcadian customs, those elsewheres have to be brought up. And the moon's an interesting topic, too. What d'ya think all those stone circles on the Orkneys are for? Isn't it odd that civilization begins with all these diverse human cultures moving huge stones around in order to track the stars and establish calendars, and today's average ordinary folk don't even have half a grasp of equinoxes and solstices and such? Most people don't even know how to build a fire (let alone make fire), and yet we consider ourselves (or certain designated representatives with degrees in engineering and physics) masters of nuclear energy. Lisbeth Jardine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net> To: <ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [<orcadia>] Old Farm House, Grimbister, and Snapping overGinger > Stephen -- can I remind you of your words nearly a year ago, when Sigurd > encouraged us, over and over, to please stick to ORKNEY topics. Which you > can't seem to do. > > Here was [in part] your reply to Sigurd's plea, sent to the List: > > "on 12/9/03 6:30 AM, stephen davie wrote -- [...] Now then Sig, [...] I > looked up your website and reviewed the instructions, and I can truly > appreciate the frustrations you go through to preserve quality. Someone > who > doesn't like a message will always shoot the messenger, and that would be > you I am sure... [...] The "chatting" can be done one to one without > irritating others. I figured that out too late it seems... [...] We all > get > too soon old and too late smart." > > > > > I myself have no desire to hear of your clueless, rude, misinformed and > misplaced political rantings on this ORCADIA-List. > Keep your Bush and Blair bashing to your own miserable self. > If you don't wish to inform yourself of, or face, the realities and > consequences of the terrorism all of this world faces, and do something > constructive about it, keep your political comments to yourself, or share > them with others of your ilk. > Don't tell the Orcadia-List. > > > My apologies to the rest of you for my directness. > > > Lisa > > > > ==== ORCADIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Orcadia mailing list, send an e-mail with the word > 'unsubscribe' in the message body to orcadia-l-request@rootsweb.com > >