Dear friends, I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? Best wishes, Andrei

dear dron wrote: > Thank you Moi, > > I remember I had a bad experience with UKBookWorld last year... I think I'd > rather wait for the re-issue of "Orkney Norn", hopefully it will be > published soon. > > All the best, > > Andrei Andrei, Since I'd be interested in "The Orkney Norn" too, I've just emailed Bill Murray of Brinnoven to ask if he has a definite publication date for the book. When/if I receive a reply, I'll post the information on this list. Norman Tulloch

Hello Andrei Searches via Booksearch are usually pretty good because they cover the major book selling sites, others swear by another called addall. One site isn't listed by those sites is ukbookworld. It doesn't have the Marwick at the moment but it can be a useful place to find scarce UK books because some booksellers only list there. http://www.http://ukbookworld.com/cgi-bin/search.pl Moi > Normally such pages are frontends that just redirect to places like Amazon > which tell you in their turn that your wanted title is not available. > > Andrei > > P.S. To introduce myself, who subscribed to this list a week ago, I've long > had an interest in former viking territories in North Atlantic: Iceland, > Faroes, Shetland and Orkney since I was a teenager. As I'm a linguist who > speaks Icelandic and Faroese (well, I lived in Iceland for 4-5 years) and a > bit of Scottish Gaelic, the linguistic side of cultural heritage of such > places as Orkney (be it Orkney Scots, Norn or remains of their predecessors > if any) has been of priority interest to me apart from other things which I > probably know less about. I've never been to your archipelago but I'm > looking forward to visiting it in a couple of years. > > 2007/8/25, Norman Tulloch <[email protected]>: > >> Moi, Bookfinder seems to lead to a copy offered by deastore.com. >> >> However, the Deastore site itself lists the book as "Not available". >> >> http://www.deastore.com/product.asp?productid=BD182557765324057 >> >> >> Norman Tulloch >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- M.E.McCarty, Bookseller 13 North Main Street, Wigtown, Newton Stewart Scotland DG8 9HL ++44 (0)1988 402062 VAT Reg. No. GB 430 2058 03

Hello Norman Careless of me -I didn't bother to click the link from bookfinder to check. Moi -- M.E.McCarty, Bookseller 13 North Main Street, Wigtown, Newton Stewart Scotland DG8 9HL ++44 (0)1988 402062 VAT Reg. No. GB 430 2058 03

Moi McCarty wrote: > I think it's out of print at the moment. > I did find one listing on-line via http://www.bookfinder.com > <http://www.bookfinder.com> > However, carefully phrased caveat, I have noticed that the selling > company does seem to have a considerable number of book listings of > print runs that may not be known to the authors or the authors estate. > Moi Moi, Bookfinder seems to lead to a copy offered by deastore.com. However, the Deastore site itself lists the book as "Not available". http://www.deastore.com/product.asp?productid=BD182557765324057 Norman Tulloch

It has been out of print for years and is very sought after. Mine is perfect cond not for sale Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Moi McCarty <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:33:03 To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Marwick's "Orkney Norn" I think it's out of print at the moment. I did find one listing on-line via http://www.bookfinder.com <http://www.bookfinder.com> However, carefully phrased caveat, I have noticed that the selling company does seem to have a considerable number of book listings of print runs that may not be known to the authors or the authors estate. Moi > Dear friends, > > I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in > book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? > > Best wishes, > > Andrei > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- M.E.McCarty, Bookseller 13 North Main Street, Wigtown, Newton Stewart Scotland DG8 9HL ++44 (0)1988 402062 VAT Reg. No. GB 430 2058 03 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's out of print at the moment. I did find one listing on-line via http://www.bookfinder.com <http://www.bookfinder.com> However, carefully phrased caveat, I have noticed that the selling company does seem to have a considerable number of book listings of print runs that may not be known to the authors or the authors estate. Moi > Dear friends, > > I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in > book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? > > Best wishes, > > Andrei > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- M.E.McCarty, Bookseller 13 North Main Street, Wigtown, Newton Stewart Scotland DG8 9HL ++44 (0)1988 402062 VAT Reg. No. GB 430 2058 03

dear dron wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in > book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? > > Best wishes, > > Andrei > I believe that Brinnoven produced an edition back in 1995. On their website they currently say, "The A4 edition is out of print. A new edition is due August/September 2007." http://www.brinnoven.co.uk/#anchor622259 The new edition *should* be available quite soon, then, but I won't be surprised if there are delays, and perhaps quite lengthy ones. I had a look on Abebooks UK but I couldn't find any second-hand copies listed there. Norman Tulloch

Humm,,I had always thought it was mostly the Swedish tribes that went east inland towards Russia. Nothing to say that Norse from Orkney couldn't have,,I had just never thought of it before. Always thought of the Norse as going west and south out of Norway towards Iceland/Greenland and Shetland, Orkney, and Scotland Anybody got any evidence on the matter? R -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Tait Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Marwick's "Orkney Norn" Plenty orcadian viking went russia, and still some today Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "dear dron" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:46:18 To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Marwick's "Orkney Norn" Yes, it's not a problem to order a book from UK&USA, but I've looked at Amazon/Barnes&Nobles and this book seems to be deleted everywhere, so I took the last option to ask Orcadians.. But as I've heard that now it's being printed again, I'd rather give up these searches ;)) Andrei ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cool thing for me about Amazon.co.uk is that I can have books shopped to my Caithness friend for next to nothing, whereas anything sent from here has to go 10 weeks early or air mail for an arm and a leg. Anne On 8/25/07, Royce Perry <[email protected]> wrote: > Uhhh,,,well he lives in Moscow at the present...but he might still be able > to get it shipped if the UK or USA sites have it. I know the UK branch can > ship to the USA,, I bought a book over there that wasn't listed on the USA > site a couple of years ago.

Bruce, In the earlier Statistical Account of 1791-99 there is the following (spelling and punctuation as in the original): "A mineral spring, (or rather three adjacent springs of Chalybeate water, all of different degrees of strength,) is to be found among the rocks, on the East coast of the island of Stronsay. The water, clear as chrystal, not unpleasant, is full of fixed air, as may easily be discovered by any who drink some glasses of it; for they will soon find themselves affected in the same way, as if they had drank some fine brisk bottled small bear." And then, in a lengthy footnote: "This spring is called the Well of Kildinguie. Tradition says, that it was held in such high repute when the Orkney Islands belonged to the Crowne of Denmark, (above three hundred years ago,) that people of the first rank, came from Denmark and Norway to drink the waters. Towards the south east, at about two miles distance, the greatest part of the way consists of a flat sand along the sea shore; there is a place called Guiyidn, on the rocks of which, that species of seaweed called dulse, is to be found in abundance; which weed, is considered by many to be a delicious and wholesome morsel... This spring is at the distance of about half a mile from the minister's manse,in a pleasant healthy situation. There is a large commodious house in the neighbourhood, built about forty years ago, for the accommodation of a gentleman with a large family, one of the heritors, and at that time minister of this parish; but his heirs have removed from this island. This house, therefore, might be easily fitted up, and would be found very commodious for sea-bathing or water drinking quarters, for those whose constitutions require the application of such harmless, safe and useful remedies." I don't know if you recognise the place-names of the Well of Kildinguie or Guiyidn (it could just possibly be Cuiyidn). Of course, these names may now be spelled in a different way or else have just disappeared from the knowledge of Stronsay people. Nevertheless, I wonder if the "large commodious house", once occupied by the parish minister, could be what you're now referring to as a manse? If so, it was presumably built in the 1750s, since the Statistical Account says it was built "about forty years ago". However, now that I've had a look at an Ordnance Survey map from 1895, I think I see the manse you're referring to, just south of Whitehall: http://tinyurl.com/yo5kt7 If that's the one, then it isn't the "large commodious house" and I've no idea when it was built, but it seems that the 1791-99 Statistical Account does refer to it. I'm becoming somewhat confused by all these various manses, though! (You'll also see the Well of Kildinguie marked on the map. Possibly you might like to drink its waters, and then try a wholesome and delicious morsel of dulse?) Could the "large commodious house" be Hunton? I've no idea what it looks like, but it does seem to be an old house. Norman Tulloch

Have you triedAmazon.com or Barnes & Nobles under "used books"? I even found some French novels in the American Amazon (Don;t know where you live, but Amazon has a UK site) Anne in Ardmore, PA On 8/25/07, dear dron <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in > book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? > > Best wishes, > > Andrei

Uhhh,,,well he lives in Moscow at the present...but he might still be able to get it shipped if the UK or USA sites have it. I know the UK branch can ship to the USA,, I bought a book over there that wasn't listed on the USA site a couple of years ago. Ever since I have been getting monthly emails from Amazon UK wanting to know if I wouldn't like to buy some more books from them. R -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Slater Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Marwick's "Orkney Norn" Have you triedAmazon.com or Barnes & Nobles under "used books"? I even found some French novels in the American Amazon (Don;t know where you live, but Amazon has a UK site) Anne in Ardmore, PA On 8/25/07, dear dron <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have a question, is the book "Orkney Norn" by Hugh Marwick available in > book stores or second-hand sales in Orkney? > > Best wishes, > > Andrei ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you don't know of it,,Alibris is another good one. http://tinyurl.com/2c2dxp Many of these rare book sites also have some way of placing a request for whatever you are looking for. They may not have it, but can sometimes turn one up later and let you know. R -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Moi McCarty Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Marwick's "Orkney Norn" Hello Andrei Searches via Booksearch are usually pretty good because they cover the major book selling sites, others swear by another called addall. One site isn't listed by those sites is ukbookworld. It doesn't have the Marwick at the moment but it can be a useful place to find scarce UK books because some booksellers only list there. http://www.http://ukbookworld.com/cgi-bin/search.pl Moi > Normally such pages are frontends that just redirect to places like Amazon > which tell you in their turn that your wanted title is not available. > > Andrei > > P.S. To introduce myself, who subscribed to this list a week ago, I've long > had an interest in former viking territories in North Atlantic: Iceland, > Faroes, Shetland and Orkney since I was a teenager. As I'm a linguist who > speaks Icelandic and Faroese (well, I lived in Iceland for 4-5 years) and a > bit of Scottish Gaelic, the linguistic side of cultural heritage of such > places as Orkney (be it Orkney Scots, Norn or remains of their predecessors > if any) has been of priority interest to me apart from other things which I > probably know less about. I've never been to your archipelago but I'm > looking forward to visiting it in a couple of years. > > 2007/8/25, Norman Tulloch <[email protected]>: > >> Moi, Bookfinder seems to lead to a copy offered by deastore.com. >> >> However, the Deastore site itself lists the book as "Not available". >> >> http://www.deastore.com/product.asp?productid=BD182557765324057 >> >> >> Norman Tulloch >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- M.E.McCarty, Bookseller 13 North Main Street, Wigtown, Newton Stewart Scotland DG8 9HL ++44 (0)1988 402062 VAT Reg. No. GB 430 2058 03 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norman Tulloch wrote: > Does the picture on this page show the manse that you're referring to, > Bruce? > http://www.orkneylibrary.org.uk/photogallery/gallery46.htm Thanks for the information Norman. The manse & kirk in the photograph are at <http://tinyurl.com/2g7r4u> but the old manse to which I was referring is a couple of miles further north, not far from Whitehall Farm at <http://tinyurl.com/3y7l8e> The photograph (top left) shows the CofS manse and the old kirk on Stronsay. This manse is still used by the minister (Rev Dr Jennifer George) but the kirk was demolished in the 1950s and rebuilt as Moncur Memorial Church. The smaller building attached to the rear of the old kirk is still intact and is now the church hall; there's a photograph of the new (1955) kirk at <http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/stronsay/moncurchurch> -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney <www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont> "99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name"

Bruce wrote: > The old, ruinous, three-storied manse on Stronsay - its near Whitehall > Farm and is the largest building on the island - has now been bought by > a young family who have lived on Stronsay for about 13 years. They have > been unsuccessful in their search to ascertain when the manse was built > and I was wondering whether anyone had any ideas. The latest date in the > archives so far is around 1858 when the minister was asking the > presbytery to carry out repairs to rotten window-frames in the servant's > quarters. Would the manse have been built at the same time as the former parish church? If so, the Statistical Account of 1834-45 gives 1821 as the date of construction of the church. I also came across the following which is taken from "A Topographical Dictionary of Scotland" (1846): "The ecclesiastical affairs are under the superintendence of the presbytery of North Isles and synod of Orkney; patron, the Earl of Zetland. The minister's stipend is £210, including £10 for communion elements; with a manse, and a glebe valued at £14.10. per annum. There are two churches; the church at Stronsay, erected in 1821, is a neat structure containing 500 sittings, and that of Eday, erected in 1816, contains 300. Divine service was formerly performed at each, on fixed Sabbaths, by the minister of the parish, who resides at Stronsay; but in 1834 a missionary was appointed by the General Assembly, with a stipend of £50, to officiate at Eday, where he has a manse, erected by subscription. There are also places of worship for members of the United Secession at Stronsay and Eday, and at the former a place of worship for Wesleyan Methodists." http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=43482#s2 Does the picture on this page show the manse that you're referring to, Bruce? http://www.orkneylibrary.org.uk/photogallery/gallery46.htm Norman Tulloch

James Irvine wrote: > Norman Tulloch wrote: >> It would also be quite a trek for the people of North Sandwick to cut, >> tend and fetch home peats from Harray. Presumably back in the time >> before 1729 roads would barely exist, and I'd guess that there would be >> little (if any) use of wheeled traffic, so the peats might be brought >> home in pannier baskets on the backs of ponies? Maybe I'm wrong about >> that, though. > > I mentioned 1729 because a letter of that date survives in which the Laird > of Breckness wrote to Hay, Tacksman of the Earldom Estates, asking him to > allow his tenants in Northside of Sandwick to cast their peats in Birsay and > Harray (OA D13/6/4). I used "probably" as this is only an inference that > they had already had these rights. Two other documents in the archives > throw more light on these rights: the 1854 map for the division of Harray > Commonty shows the strip of ground allocated to peat cutting by Sandwick > folk was in the extreme north of the Harray hills, west fo the farm of > Wilderness (D8/4/17(C)), while a 1850 document implies that at this time the > right was in exchange for Harray folk to use the Cruaday quarry in > N.Sandwick (D20/3/4). Maybe by this time Harray folk had recognised the old > agreement (1690s sounds very plausible) was no longer a good deal and they > managed to renegotiate it! > > Yes, the distances were great, but I gather in those days folk were > accustomed to long walks. Peats were indeed carried on the back, or on > horses - Orcadians took great pride in their horses. The earliest record of > a cart in Orkney is 1719. > > James Irvine. Thank you, James. I'm often impressed by your remarkable knowledge of old Orkney documents, and I was sure that you would have had a definite reason for specifically mentioning a particular year! You refer to the division of the Harray Commonty. I understand that the common land of Orkney was generally divided in the 19th century, but does any common land still remain or was it all allocated to various proprietors? Norman Tulloch

The old, ruinous, three-storied manse on Stronsay - its near Whitehall Farm and is the largest building on the island - has now been bought by a young family who have lived on Stronsay for about 13 years. They have been unsuccessful in their search to ascertain when the manse was built and I was wondering whether anyone had any ideas. The latest date in the archives so far is around 1858 when the minister was asking the presbytery to carry out repairs to rotten window-frames in the servant's quarters. -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney <www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont> "99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name"

Norman Tulloch wrote: > > It would also be quite a trek for the people of North Sandwick to cut, > tend and fetch home peats from Harray. Presumably back in the time > before 1729 roads would barely exist, and I'd guess that there would be > little (if any) use of wheeled traffic, so the peats might be brought > home in pannier baskets on the backs of ponies? Maybe I'm wrong about > that, though. I mentioned 1729 because a letter of that date survives in which the Laird of Breckness wrote to Hay, Tacksman of the Earldom Estates, asking him to allow his tenants in Northside of Sandwick to cast their peats in Birsay and Harray (OA D13/6/4). I used "probably" as this is only an inference that they had already had these rights. Two other documents in the archives throw more light on these rights: the 1854 map for the division of Harray Commonty shows the strip of ground allocated to peat cutting by Sandwick folk was in the extreme north of the Harray hills, west fo the farm of Wilderness (D8/4/17(C)), while a 1850 document implies that at this time the right was in exchange for Harray folk to use the Cruaday quarry in N.Sandwick (D20/3/4). Maybe by this time Harray folk had recognised the old agreement (1690s sounds very plausible) was no longer a good deal and they managed to renegotiate it! Yes, the distances were great, but I gather in those days folk were accustomed to long walks. Peats were indeed carried on the back, or on horses - Orcadians took great pride in their horses. The earliest record of a cart in Orkney is 1719. James Irvine.

Ah well, I see that no one bid on the Cathedral chair and it remained unsold. I blame Mr Treasure for putting everyone off*. Actually, though, I think the starting price was far too high and the seller was being greedy. I wonder what she originally paid for the chair? Norman Tulloch *Only kidding...