Anne, Another definition of tacksman is about halfway down webpage <http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hotel/old1/cornb76.html> -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney <www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont> "I’m sorry, you have reached an imaginary number. Please rotate your telephone 90 degrees and dial again"

Anne, A tacksman rented land from the Earldom and then re-let it for as much as he could. I gather that he's unlikely to just have been tacksman of Rothiesholm, as that seems to be too small an area to have been rented on its own. It sounds as if your ancestor was a man of substance. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Slater Sent: 07 September 2007 15:50 To: [email protected] Subject: [ORCADIA] "Translation" needed I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until she dies in 1878) HOWEVER what I did find that mystifies me is in my gg father's will, he is listed as "tacksman of Rothiesholm, island of Stronsay" What is a tacksman???? I do know the noun "tack" as in the leather straps etc that make up harnesses and bits for saddles. Please tell me if I an correct in thinking that "tack" and "tacksman" are related (but why then would his household include NINE "servants". (I would have assumed farm hands) Anne near Philadelphia about to take a walk in the not-quite noon-day sun ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne Slater wrote: > I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my > great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census > says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. > which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. > (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until > she dies in 1878) > > HOWEVER what I did find that mystifies me is in my gg father's will, > he is listed as "tacksman of Rothiesholm, island of Stronsay" > > What is a tacksman???? I do know the noun "tack" as in the leather > straps etc that make up harnesses and bits for saddles. > > Please tell me if I an correct in thinking that "tack" and "tacksman" > are related (but why then would his household include NINE "servants". > (I would have assumed farm hands) Anne, I had a dig around Sigurd's Orkneyjar website and came across <http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/summerdale.htm> "After the transfer of Orkney to the Scottish Crown in 1468, the former Earldom property was rented to tacksmen. These individuals collected the various skats, rents and other dues formerly paid to the Earls. Needless to say, some of the tacksmen were disliked and, in some cases, used their power unscrupulously." -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney <www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont> "I’m sorry, you have reached an imaginary number. Please rotate your telephone 90 degrees and dial again"

I stayed with my daughter at the Mill of Ireland [I think the brochure says Eyrland, its a good place] in 2004, we walked down the gravel road at the red phone box by which meanders a small coffee colored stream gradually getting larger and larger as we went. Found a rocky bay where we collected treasures : broken Blue Willow china, a slightly abraided cookie press which I use, several worn gems of colored glass and other sundry metal bits. I have the treasure hoarded in an Orkney oatcake tin. Found an old handforged latch [the part with the hook] at The Breck buried in the dirt which now holds up a hanging basket of flowers. Another day we went, there weren't any more treasures, only a rocky shoreline blistered with stranded neon-string jellyfish waiting for the tide. No idea what they're supposed to be called. Maybe the finding of treasures depends on the severity of the most recent storm ? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ============================ Mike Clouston wrote: > Map here, Anne > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=330695&y=1009560&z=4&sv=330695,1009560&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf > > The Mill is immediately opposite the phone box depicted by a phone handset > >

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww !!! Isn't Steve great ? Isabella ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen davie <[email protected]> Date: Friday, September 7, 2007 3:21 am Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney winters To: [email protected] > Dear Jim and Jean: > > I was aware that you had acquired "digs" in west Orkney > mainland  > sometime ago, but must say I found it to be an impressive > commitment  > to make the move there. Last to do it on this list was the > ever  > steadfast Bruce and his dear wife Maureen, holding vigil > on  the east  > shore of Stronsay. Your spirit of adventure and your allegiance > to  > your joie de vivre in making this move, are the things envy is > made  > of, especially as when we grow older we often tend to become > more  > localized, ...or perhaps even stagnant. > > On the issue of becoming "entubed" for those long Orkney > winter  > nights, my vote is ...go ahead...buy the cheater satellite > hookup  > complete with surround sound, and enjoy the world-in-a-box in > your  > stoney hilly croft. > There are some cultural niceties which you might import into > Orkney  > from the long crazy seaside state you called home. I am thinking > of  > perhaps Mama Cass cd's and posters of the Beach Boys and > Jimmy  > Morrison. For home security over there, I 'm thinkin" a two > foot  > square bronzed entrance photo of governor el Terminator..bare > chested  > and defiant.."Don't Even Think About It" or howbout old Clint > and "  > Go Ahead...make My Day!" > > Congratulations on your expression of love for the attitudes > and  > latitudes that an adventurous soul can muster up. Maybe you > can  > follow the lead of Bruce and Maureen and give us a monthly word > photo  > of your life there. > That "California Dreamin' has done ya proud.  Good on ya! > > May the best of life in Orkney be yours... > > Yours aye with a bit of envy mindya.... > > Stephen Davie > > > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, James Thompson wrote: > > > Thanks, Karen,  BTW, we've enjoyed your postings.  > Jean and I are both > > recently-retired university librarians so we read a lot, or we did > > until today when we adoped two mischievous kittens, who are > running us > > a bit ragged at the moment.  We have been here in the > winter, and > > we've had the roof fixed so it's no bother. > > > > Have you been to Orkney?  If you come, or return, drop by > and have a > > cup:  Lobady, Hillside Road, Twatt -- it's on the map. > > > > Best, > > > > Jim (and Jean) (with fond memories of Memphis from when we > were first > > married) > > > >> > >> Enjoy yourself Jim and Jean.  Many of us envy you your > time in   > >> Orkney, > >> regardless of the weather.  Though I think you'll find > the winter > > not as bad as > >> some would have you think.  When the wind blows too > hard,  it's a > > good time to > >> catch up on reading, TV or whatever you feel > like.   Enjoy it all. > >> > >> Karen > >> (in Memphis) > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:49:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > >> [email protected] writes: > >> > >> Hi  all, > >> > >> Now that my wife and I have moved to Orkney we're looking > forward  to > >> watching British television serials over the long Orkney winter. > >> Trouble is, most of these have appeared outside of the > summers,  when > >> we've been visiting, so we don't know about them.  > We've  discovered > >> SPOOKS and LIFE ON MARS; but if anyone has others to > recommend,  we'd > >> love to hear from you. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Jim Thompson > >> Jean  Swanson > >> > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> This  message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. > >> ULTIMATE Internet Access,  Inc http://www.uia.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in  the > > subject and the > >> body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > > all-new AOL at > >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with > > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body > > of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. > > ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc http://www.uia.net/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes  > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Isabella

Not at all aware of that!!!!! Oh, my that is very interesting! And the Peter (T)Watt in the biographies was my great-grandfather. So it's his mother I am working on,. Thank you so much, Mike! Anne On 9/7/07, Mike Clouston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my > > great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census > > says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. > > which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. > > (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until > > she dies in 1878) > > I take it, Ann, that you are aware that 'Ireland' is a township in the > parish of Stenness in Orkney and does not necessarily refer to the > country. > > The Mill of Ireland, sometimes 'Eyrland' is on the left-hand side of the > road between the Brig o' Waith and Orphir, heading towards Orphir. > > -- > Kind regards > Mike Clouston > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In other words "taxman". The funny thing is that my cousins and I, being brought up in public schools and having an image of "immigrants" as poor folk, desperately searching for a way to stay alive, away from pogroms and the military, never considered that our Orcadian great-grandparents would be from any other social order.... Research, pushing for stories, and visits to Orkney have been a real education. >From tacksmen to genteel just-making-it in 4 generations ;+) Anne On 9/7/07, Patricia Long <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne, > > A tacksman rented land from the Earldom and then re-let it for as much as he > could. I gather that he's unlikely to just have been tacksman of > Rothiesholm, as that seems to be too small an area to have been rented on > its own. It sounds as if your ancestor was a man of substance. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Anne Slater > Sent: 07 September 2007 15:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ORCADIA] "Translation" needed > > I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my > great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census > says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. > which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. > (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until > she dies in 1878) > > HOWEVER what I did find that mystifies me is in my gg father's will, > he is listed as "tacksman of Rothiesholm, island of Stronsay" > > What is a tacksman???? I do know the noun "tack" as in the leather > straps etc that make up harnesses and bits for saddles. > > Please tell me if I an correct in thinking that "tack" and "tacksman" > are related (but why then would his household include NINE "servants". > (I would have assumed farm hands) > > Anne near Philadelphia > about to take a walk in the not-quite noon-day sun > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Simon I agree with most of what you say and am happy that you plan to add to the gene pool. My comments regarding property prices are not aimed at any particular group and in fact "incomers" here probably only have a limited effect on the local market. However I consider that the gross inflation in house prices locally and in UK in general is a very dangerous bubble, which few seem to recognise yet. It is driven in many ways but mostly related to the easy availability of money. The end effect is obvious - "inflation" will readjust the "market". Since the local economy never really booms and never really busts Orkney will likely not be hurt so badly as the rest of UK. However the long term failure of government and industry to invest in infrastucture (such as roads and railways) will mean that much of UK will be poorly placed to recover from the crash when and if it comes. I also believe that this will be bad for UK as a country in that Scotland will quite probably divest itself of England at some point. I am strongly against such a thing, but I do think that Scotland is entirely viable on its own. Yes but photos need light.

I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until she dies in 1878) HOWEVER what I did find that mystifies me is in my gg father's will, he is listed as "tacksman of Rothiesholm, island of Stronsay" What is a tacksman???? I do know the noun "tack" as in the leather straps etc that make up harnesses and bits for saddles. Please tell me if I an correct in thinking that "tack" and "tacksman" are related (but why then would his household include NINE "servants". (I would have assumed farm hands) Anne near Philadelphia about to take a walk in the not-quite noon-day sun

Tacksman was more a Highland institution,,although used throughout most of Scotland at one time or the other. Sometimes they were employees of the nobles or chiefs who collected the rents. They got to keep part of what they collected as their fee, so long as the laird got his full share. They also were supposed to see to the welfare of the tenants and keep them in line. In other cases they actually rented the land and then sublet it in bits and pieces. In those cases of course they kept what they collected less what they in their turn had to pay in rent. Some were good and knew that happy well taken care of tenants produced more revenue,,and some were out to squeeze the tenants for every penny they could. That said, it's like all things historical, there were wide variations in practice between areas, times and families. Likely no two were ever exactly the same. R -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Slater Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] "Translation" needed In other words "taxman". The funny thing is that my cousins and I, being brought up in public schools and having an image of "immigrants" as poor folk, desperately searching for a way to stay alive, away from pogroms and the military, never considered that our Orcadian great-grandparents would be from any other social order.... Research, pushing for stories, and visits to Orkney have been a real education. >From tacksmen to genteel just-making-it in 4 generations ;+) Anne On 9/7/07, Patricia Long <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne, > > A tacksman rented land from the Earldom and then re-let it for as much as he > could. I gather that he's unlikely to just have been tacksman of > Rothiesholm, as that seems to be too small an area to have been rented on > its own. It sounds as if your ancestor was a man of substance. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Anne Slater > Sent: 07 September 2007 15:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ORCADIA] "Translation" needed > > I am desperately searching for the REAL roots of my > great-great-grandmother and namesake, Ann Sclater. The 1861 census > says for her place of birth "Ireland" and I can't find her death cert. > which I had hoped would give me more information on where in Ireland. > (She married James Twatt of Rothiesholm and lived on Stronsay until > she dies in 1878) > > HOWEVER what I did find that mystifies me is in my gg father's will, > he is listed as "tacksman of Rothiesholm, island of Stronsay" > > What is a tacksman???? I do know the noun "tack" as in the leather > straps etc that make up harnesses and bits for saddles. > > Please tell me if I an correct in thinking that "tack" and "tacksman" > are related (but why then would his household include NINE "servants". > (I would have assumed farm hands) > > Anne near Philadelphia > about to take a walk in the not-quite noon-day sun > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Welcome Jim and Jean, it sounds like you know what you are coming to in terms of Orkney winters so I'm sure you'll do fine. Others have made suggestions about checking TV schedules. At the moment on one of the "digital" channels there is a re-run of "Bleak House" the Dickens novel, which was great first time round. In the dark winter months I prefer to try and bring some sunshine into my life so enjoy watching programmes about far away places. On BBC2 at the moment Michael Wood is presenting a fascinating programme about India. Natural History - watch out for "Autumn Watch" on BBC with Bill Oddie & Kate Humble. There are programmes throughout the day and night giving live feed on owls, foxes, badgers and all sorts of other UK flora and fauna. It's quite enetertaining although Bill Oddie bouncing around can get a bit irritating. But when they didn "Spring Watch" this year, the late night live broadcasting of foxes in the West End of Glasgow got more viewers than "Big Brother"! Landward & Countryfile on a sunday (about 11am) are also interesting countryside programmes. Landward focuses mainly on Scotland. I too hibernate in the winter, drawing the curtains against the darkness and imerse myself in books, the radio (that way I can wander around the house) and selectively dip into TV. Also check the Orcadian as there are often talks on a variety of topics, and Stromness often have book readings going on. And of course there are always book clubs (I've just joined the one at Stromness Library which is very lively and entertaining). And as incomers, well I'm afraid you may meet with adverse reactions. When I first moved to Orkney 7 years ago I did too - including obscene graffiti - and that was despite my buying a house which had been derelict for 15 years, renovating it only using local labour and putting lots of money into the local economy. Still do as all my work is now from outside Orkney so I continue to bring money into the county. The UK as a whole has an ageing demographic and the problems Charles alludes to occur in other parts of the UK too. But if you experience is anything like mine you will also meet many many Orcadians and incomers who will make you welcome! Sian > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:48:04 EST > From: James Thompson <[email protected]> > Subject: [ORCADIA] Orkney winters > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Hi all, > > Now that my wife and I have moved to Orkney we're looking forward to > watching British television serials over the long Orkney winter. > Trouble is, most of these have appeared outside of the summers, when > we've been visiting, so we don't know about them. We've discovered > SPOOKS and LIFE ON MARS; but if anyone has others to recommend, we'd > love to hear from you. > > Thanks > > Jim Thompson > Jean Swanson > > [email protected] > > > > >

Hey Charles. House prices are not simplistic. The true driver is the international market place and relative prices in places as diverse as N.York, Tokyo, Paris, London etcetera. If a three bedroom flat in Manhatten costs $3m then it pushes up the prices for a similar property in London. Then people realise they are insane and move out to Dorset or Sussex or Wiltshire. Then prices in such places double and people cash in and move out to Northern England or Scotland. Then people realise they are still insane and move to Orkney. They arrive here to find prices still relatively very cheap, but local factors are just as potent as these external factors. They arrive in a place that is in a sustained economic boom with local demand for housing very strong and social structures altering as dwellings become occupied by fewer and fewer folk with the housing stock soon exceeding one per every two people here. On top of all that add the failure of government to provide effective housing solutions for key workers and younger folk across the land and you end up just about where we are. So don't blame the ferryloupers, regardless of the viability of their potential contribution to the gene pool ! PS. I am now formally hassling you to come over and do your happysnaps thing for me. all the best, Simon ----- Original Message ---- From: Charles Tait <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 6 September, 2007 10:32:20 PM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney winters Norman House prices are an issue in UK. If young folk are priced out of existence then our community has no future. Sorry no patronising meant. but our community needs young families and they need houses. Incomers are of course welcome as they have been for 1,000s of years, but the life blood of Orkney is not those who decide to retire here. It is the young folk who TRY to stay. I will not apologise for saying that as without families, children, and community Orkney is dead. You all need to look at what is happeneing in UK, more and more young people are voting with their feet and leaving because of our upside down system. Sorry but when house prices get so skewed by incoming money you can just expect that there will be a reaction - emigration. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The same thing happening here and, I suspect, most places. Marion (Maine) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Tait" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney winters > Norman > > House prices are an issue in UK. If young folk are priced out of > existence then our community has no future. Sorry no patronising meant. > but our community needs young families and they need houses. > Incomers are of course welcome as they have been for 1,000s of years, > but the life blood of Orkney is not those who decide to retire here. It > is the young folk who TRY to stay. > > I will not apologise for saying that as without families, children, and > community Orkney is dead. > > You all need to look at what is happeneing in UK, more and more young > people are voting with their feet and leaving because of our upside down > system. > > Sorry but when house prices get so skewed by incoming money you can just > expect that there will be a reaction - emigration. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not at all but thjete is a demographic issue and no one can deny it Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Norman Tulloch <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:53:16 To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [ORCADIA] Orkney winters Charles Tait wrote: > Norman > > House prices are an issue in UK. If young folk are priced out of > existence then our community has no future. Sorry no patronising > meant. but our community needs young families and they need houses. > Incomers are of course welcome as they have been for 1,000s of years, > but the life blood of Orkney is not those who decide to retire here. > It is the young folk who TRY to stay. > > I will not apologise for saying that as without families, children, > and community Orkney is dead. > > You all need to look at what is happeneing in UK, more and more young > people are voting with their feet and leaving because of our upside > down system. > > Sorry but when house prices get so skewed by incoming money you can > just expect that there will be a reaction - emigration. > All that is no doubt true, Charles, but all that Jim innocently asked about was what was worth watching on television. Though you say that "incomers are of course welcome" to Orkney, are you suggesting that those aged over 60 aren't? That would be me turned back at the border, then! Norman Tulloch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jim and Jean: I was aware that you had acquired "digs" in west Orkney mainland sometime ago, but must say I found it to be an impressive commitment to make the move there. Last to do it on this list was the ever steadfast Bruce and his dear wife Maureen, holding vigil on the east shore of Stronsay. Your spirit of adventure and your allegiance to your joie de vivre in making this move, are the things envy is made of, especially as when we grow older we often tend to become more localized, ...or perhaps even stagnant. On the issue of becoming "entubed" for those long Orkney winter nights, my vote is ...go ahead...buy the cheater satellite hookup complete with surround sound, and enjoy the world-in-a-box in your stoney hilly croft. There are some cultural niceties which you might import into Orkney from the long crazy seaside state you called home. I am thinking of perhaps Mama Cass cd's and posters of the Beach Boys and Jimmy Morrison. For home security over there, I 'm thinkin" a two foot square bronzed entrance photo of governor el Terminator..bare chested and defiant.."Don't Even Think About It" or howbout old Clint and " Go Ahead...make My Day!" Congratulations on your expression of love for the attitudes and latitudes that an adventurous soul can muster up. Maybe you can follow the lead of Bruce and Maureen and give us a monthly word photo of your life there. That "California Dreamin' has done ya proud. Good on ya! May the best of life in Orkney be yours... Yours aye with a bit of envy mindya.... Stephen Davie On Sep 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, James Thompson wrote: > Thanks, Karen, BTW, we've enjoyed your postings. Jean and I are both > recently-retired university librarians so we read a lot, or we did > until today when we adoped two mischievous kittens, who are running us > a bit ragged at the moment. We have been here in the winter, and > we've had the roof fixed so it's no bother. > > Have you been to Orkney? If you come, or return, drop by and have a > cup: Lobady, Hillside Road, Twatt -- it's on the map. > > Best, > > Jim (and Jean) (with fond memories of Memphis from when we were first > married) > >> >> Enjoy yourself Jim and Jean. Many of us envy you your time in >> Orkney, >> regardless of the weather. Though I think you'll find the winter > not as bad as >> some would have you think. When the wind blows too hard, it's a > good time to >> catch up on reading, TV or whatever you feel like. Enjoy it all. >> >> Karen >> (in Memphis) >> >> >> In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:49:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Now that my wife and I have moved to Orkney we're looking forward to >> watching British television serials over the long Orkney winter. >> Trouble is, most of these have appeared outside of the summers, when >> we've been visiting, so we don't know about them. We've discovered >> SPOOKS and LIFE ON MARS; but if anyone has others to recommend, we'd >> love to hear from you. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim Thompson >> Jean Swanson >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. >> ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc http://www.uia.net/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the > subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using the UIA Web Mail Server. > ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc http://www.uia.net/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCADIA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Charles Tait wrote: > Norman > > House prices are an issue in UK. If young folk are priced out of > existence then our community has no future. Sorry no patronising > meant. but our community needs young families and they need houses. > Incomers are of course welcome as they have been for 1,000s of years, > but the life blood of Orkney is not those who decide to retire here. > It is the young folk who TRY to stay. > > I will not apologise for saying that as without families, children, > and community Orkney is dead. > > You all need to look at what is happeneing in UK, more and more young > people are voting with their feet and leaving because of our upside > down system. > > Sorry but when house prices get so skewed by incoming money you can > just expect that there will be a reaction - emigration. > All that is no doubt true, Charles, but all that Jim innocently asked about was what was worth watching on television. Though you say that "incomers are of course welcome" to Orkney, are you suggesting that those aged over 60 aren't? That would be me turned back at the border, then! Norman Tulloch

Norman House prices are an issue in UK. If young folk are priced out of existence then our community has no future. Sorry no patronising meant. but our community needs young families and they need houses. Incomers are of course welcome as they have been for 1,000s of years, but the life blood of Orkney is not those who decide to retire here. It is the young folk who TRY to stay. I will not apologise for saying that as without families, children, and community Orkney is dead. You all need to look at what is happeneing in UK, more and more young people are voting with their feet and leaving because of our upside down system. Sorry but when house prices get so skewed by incoming money you can just expect that there will be a reaction - emigration.

Charles Tait wrote: > Why come to Orkney to get square eyed? You can do that anywhere. > Plenty better things to do than goggle box, but if you really want to > why not get Sky+ and record all your favourite things? I guggest at > least a 42 inch widescreen, a Bluray drive and plenty of TV dinners. > > Far better forget the TV and enjoy the Orkney outdoors, get out and > about. Or if all you want is TV sell your house at decent price to a > needy young couple and emigrate somewhere warm. I wonder if you realise just how patronising your post sounds, Charles? Norman Tulloch

Hear hear! Never read such intellectuall superiority in all my days. T.V. Indeed. Most Orcadians will undoubtedly be reading Dostoevsky this winter. How dare these philistines invade our land. It is this perceived ( dellusional !) intellectuall snobbery that finally has convinced me to vacate this site. Good luck to you. May you find happiness and peace in Orkney.

Why come to Orkney to get square eyed? You can do that anywhere. Plenty better things to do than goggle box, but if you really want to why not get Sky+ and record all your favourite things? I guggest at least a 42 inch widescreen, a Bluray drive and plenty of TV dinners. Far better forget the TV and enjoy the Orkney outdoors, get out and about. Or if all you want is TV sell your house at decent price to a needy young couple and emigrate somewhere warm.