Hello All: I've found that if I go straight to the Municipal offices and ask to see the big burial book of the cemetery I can do that. Of course, there are the raised eyebrows, and "Why do you want to look at it?" questions, but they relent and I get to see it - I usually have to make an appointment because someone has to go down to the basement and bring it up to the clerk's office - oh, what a hardship!! But I Usually get me way, especially if I bring my big book of research with me to prove I'm looking for genealogical reasons! Sher At 07:14 PM 24/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Brian, thank you for that information, my comments were based on >experience so can only speak from that. Have been told on several >occasions "under the Privacy Act we are not allowed to divulge any burial >information" that included whether or not a person is actually buried >there. One particular Cemetery did happen to leave Log on counter & >excused himself to make a call, thought that was very considerate (done on >purpose). My thoughts are that the Privacy Act has put a lot of >Cemeteries on their toes & they are afraid of possible repercussions so >err on the side of caution. On the reverse side of this some Cemeteries >are charging exhorbitant dollars per name for look ups. > >However, if you don't ask you won't know. > >Ellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Brian Gilchrist > To: ontario@rootsweb.com > Cc: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:55 PM > Subject: Access to Ontario Cemetery records > > > Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery > not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit > (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. > > I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the > Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on > a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records > and inheritence. > > Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact > provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to > provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so > let's not make waves. > > But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about > who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the > cemetery knows the details. > > Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the > years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried > there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. > Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery > can not provide you with details that they do not have. > > I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a > small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had > records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to > almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... > > Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario > Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries > Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term > "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". > > While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many > smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private > and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are > looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller > cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - > and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often > interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might > help them add to their own records. > > With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to > consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical > Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is > ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in > cemeteries ... > > If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one > particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would > like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. > > Cheers! > J. Brian Gilchrist > Genealogist and Archivist > Researching since 1966 ... > Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway > TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 > gilchrists@idirect.com > > > "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge > a public register containing the following information: > > 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the > location of the lot to which the rights pertain. > > 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights > that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the > rights were transferred. > > 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, > the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on > which the remains were interred. > > 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the > crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. > > 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name > of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the > remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. > > 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). > > (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within > five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner > becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. > 38 (2)." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > > > > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get > but > > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info > they give > > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > > > Keep well > > El > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >19:34:00

Sher are you referring to the now called Service Centres? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sher Leetooze" <sherleetooze@interlinks.net> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > Hello All: > I've found that if I go straight to the Municipal offices and ask to see > the big burial book of the cemetery I can do that. Of course, there are > the raised eyebrows, and "Why do you want to look at it?" questions, but > they relent and I get to see it - I usually have to make an appointment > because someone has to go down to the basement and bring it up to the > clerk's office - oh, what a hardship!! But I Usually get me way, > especially > if I bring my big book of research with me to prove I'm looking for > genealogical reasons! > Sher > > > At 07:14 PM 24/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >>Hello Brian, thank you for that information, my comments were based on >>experience so can only speak from that. Have been told on several >>occasions "under the Privacy Act we are not allowed to divulge any burial >>information" that included whether or not a person is actually buried >>there. One particular Cemetery did happen to leave Log on counter & >>excused himself to make a call, thought that was very considerate (done on >>purpose). My thoughts are that the Privacy Act has put a lot of >>Cemeteries on their toes & they are afraid of possible repercussions so >>err on the side of caution. On the reverse side of this some Cemeteries >>are charging exhorbitant dollars per name for look ups. >> >>However, if you don't ask you won't know. >> >>Ellen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: J. Brian Gilchrist >> To: ontario@rootsweb.com >> Cc: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:55 PM >> Subject: Access to Ontario Cemetery records >> >> >> Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery >> not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit >> (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. >> >> I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the >> Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on >> a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records >> and inheritence. >> >> Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact >> provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to >> provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so >> let's not make waves. >> >> But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about >> who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the >> cemetery knows the details. >> >> Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the >> years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried >> there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. >> Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery >> can not provide you with details that they do not have. >> >> I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a >> small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had >> records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to >> almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... >> >> Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario >> Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries >> Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term >> "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". >> >> While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many >> smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private >> and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are >> looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller >> cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - >> and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often >> interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might >> help them add to their own records. >> >> With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to >> consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical >> Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is >> ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in >> cemeteries ... >> >> If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one >> particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would >> like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure >> really is. >> >> Cheers! >> J. Brian Gilchrist >> Genealogist and Archivist >> Researching since 1966 ... >> Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway >> TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 >> gilchrists@idirect.com >> >> >> "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge >> a public register containing the following information: >> >> 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the >> location of the lot to which the rights pertain. >> >> 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights >> that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the >> rights were transferred. >> >> 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, >> the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on >> which the remains were interred. >> >> 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the >> crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. >> >> 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name >> of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the >> remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were >> reinterred. >> >> 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 >> (1). >> >> (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within >> five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner >> becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. >> 38 (2)." >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> >> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help >> >> >> > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get >> but >> > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info >> they give >> > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. >> > >> > Keep well >> > El >> >>*********** >>Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >>Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >>19:34:00 > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >