Hi Dee, Wish I could be of help - but - a few thoughts. 1. Re differences in BiRTH YEARS - on various CENSUS Unlike today - some people may not have known their birth date they may know the aprox - year - or guess at the aprox. year./month. 2. REGISTRATION of DEATH - is only as accurate - as the information known to the informant - which - may at times be way off. * eg. my uncles son in law was the informant on his registration of death - in the 1960's He had the name -correct - but to this day - we don't know where he found the name of the mother - ?? a surname not known to any family members . The given name - not one shown in any family information. He does not remember - where or why he gave that name. - the records are therefor not correct. It would cost $50 to have this amended - The 5 daughters and 3 sons - did no want to pay the fee. and I am not allowed to. 3.CERTIFICATE of INTENT- will probably the most accurate one - since it is an official document - Rather than family history/stories/ beliefs . - which can be incorrect. Certificate of Intent - would this be an application for Citizenship. **Citizenship Papers - the same ? - if not - have you searched State Archive for Michigan - or National Archive in Washington DC - for Citizenship. This may? show names of parents - date and place of birth - hopefully the correct date - and actual place of birth. 4. Marriages of Children: Marriage Registration of the children - will show the names of parents - place of birth of parents - may show actual place - or Canada - may be worth a search. Have you posted to Michigan, to Quebec - Mail Lists - or Message Boards. Message boards you will only receive response to your posting. Wishing you much luck with your research> Cheers, Stella At 12:28 PM 06/04/2010, you wrote: >Hi Listers, > >I'm at a loss. Been doing genealogy for 20 years, but I'm drawing blanks on >what to do with my Fountain/LaFountain older generation. I would love some >ideas/suggestions on where to go next and maybe how to clarify what I have. > >I'm researching Jacob Fountain - >until 1900- who then becomes Jacob LaFountain and his wife, >Louisa/Louise Hill. >I've found him on >1870 census in Marine City, St. Clair, Michigan born about 1845; >1880 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan born about 1842; >1900 census in Bay County, Michigan shows him born Sept 1847; >1910 census in Bay county, Michigan shows him born about 1852; >1920 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan and born about 1845. >Jacob died 23 February 1924 at the age of 71 years - >which would make him born in Sept 1847 - although he was age 75 in >1920 . . . <G> >All census records show Jacob born in French Canada and >his parents born in French Canada. >1900 census states that he came to USA in 1868 and he married in 1868. >HOWEVER - the birth record of their son >William born in 1876 in Marine City, Michigan >states that >Jacob was born in Lindsey, Canada >Louise in Three Rivers, Canada. >Three Rivers is Quebec, >BUT >Lindsey is in Victoria County. >I did find an IGI Family Group Record in Lindsey with >Joseph as the father and Elizabeth as the mother >Jacob as one of 6 children and born in 1844. >Found a VERY POOR QUALITY census record for Lindsey area >with a Jacob, and many other Fountains, but nothing to tie him to a Joseph. > >1900 census shows that Jacob and Louisa came to the USA in 1880 and became >citizens in 1882. >BUT, - >Jacob's certificate of intention is dated 8 May 1897. > >Most records show Louisa born in French Canada >1870 - age 18 b. 1852; >1880 - age 27 b. 1853; >1900 - age 48 b. June 1851; >1910 - age 58 b. 1852/51; >1920 age 64 - b. 1856. >Louise died 20 November 1927 in Bay City, Bay, Michigan at age 68 >years, 5 months, 2 days >which would make her born 18 June 1859. >I'm going with the birth date of June 1851 for her and born in >French Canada. Maybe Three Rivers, >but I've checked as much as I know how to check and found no record >of her birth. >Her parents names are David Hill and Mary unknown >she had a brother, James b. abt. 1857 >an adopted sister named Matilda Woods born abt 1872 in Michigan. >***Other recently found relatives show James born in New York, USA!!!*** > >OH YES!!! >1870 census shows a farm laborer in the >Jacob and Louisa home by the name of >Alexander Woods and HE was born in New York. >on the 1880 census David and Mary Hill and Matilda Woods b. abt 1872 >- adopted - live >just a few houses away. James and his wife Angelina live with them. > >I won't get into Jacob and Louisa's 15 children and only 4 living as of the >1900 census. >Or the duplicate names used and sets of twins and deaths of the babies!!! >They named 4 babies Mary before they got one who lived. >It must have been so heartbreaking for them! > >I'm guessing they married in Marine City, Michigan >but the Jacob I find isn't married to A Louisa. >BUT - my memory says that it might have been a Hill. >Could she have changed her given name? >No parents names on the record. > >I'm asking for suggestions for where to go next, >and what my priorities should be, in order to find Jacob and Louisa >in Canada. >Your ideas would be >GREATLY appreciated. > >Dee Sager >Neosho, Missouri USA > > > > > > > > > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am lucky enough to possess my grandfather's Declaration of Intent. At Detroit, he renounced his allegiance to Queen Victoria of Great Britain. Yes, it was his express intent to become an American citizen. However, he never did, so I'm guessing he literally was the man without a country. Would like to hear a legal opinion on that. My grandfather was permitted to vote after his renunciation of Britain. Other information on this person I obtained from the Immigration and Naturlization Office which, when I was there, was on East Jefferson in Det roit. I have no idea where it is now held. If you are in the States, I'd check first with your federal senator. Senators have staffs who have access of how to find "stuff like that." I've used them occasionally. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stella Stanger Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Help with what FOUNTAN,LaFOUNTAIN, HILL,. . Hi Dee, Wish I could be of help - but - a few thoughts. 1. Re differences in BiRTH YEARS - on various CENSUS Unlike today - some people may not have known their birth date they may know the aprox - year - or guess at the aprox. year./month. 2. REGISTRATION of DEATH - is only as accurate - as the information known to the informant - which - may at times be way off. * eg. my uncles son in law was the informant on his registration of death - in the 1960's He had the name -correct - but to this day - we don't know where he found the name of the mother - ?? a surname not known to any family members . The given name - not one shown in any family information. He does not remember - where or why he gave that name. - the records are therefor not correct. It would cost $50 to have this amended - The 5 daughters and 3 sons - did no want to pay the fee. and I am not allowed to. 3.CERTIFICATE of INTENT- will probably the most accurate one - since it is an official document - Rather than family history/stories/ beliefs . - which can be incorrect. Certificate of Intent - would this be an application for Citizenship. **Citizenship Papers - the same ? - if not - have you searched State Archive for Michigan - or National Archive in Washington DC - for Citizenship. This may? show names of parents - date and place of birth - hopefully the correct date - and actual place of birth. 4. Marriages of Children: Marriage Registration of the children - will show the names of parents - place of birth of parents - may show actual place - or Canada - may be worth a search. Have you posted to Michigan, to Quebec - Mail Lists - or Message Boards. Message boards you will only receive response to your posting. Wishing you much luck with your research> Cheers, Stella At 12:28 PM 06/04/2010, you wrote: >Hi Listers, > >I'm at a loss. Been doing genealogy for 20 years, but I'm drawing blanks on >what to do with my Fountain/LaFountain older generation. I would love some >ideas/suggestions on where to go next and maybe how to clarify what I have. > >I'm researching Jacob Fountain - >until 1900- who then becomes Jacob LaFountain and his wife, >Louisa/Louise Hill. >I've found him on >1870 census in Marine City, St. Clair, Michigan born about 1845; >1880 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan born about 1842; >1900 census in Bay County, Michigan shows him born Sept 1847; >1910 census in Bay county, Michigan shows him born about 1852; >1920 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan and born about 1845. >Jacob died 23 February 1924 at the age of 71 years - >which would make him born in Sept 1847 - although he was age 75 in >1920 . . . <G> >All census records show Jacob born in French Canada and >his parents born in French Canada. >1900 census states that he came to USA in 1868 and he married in 1868. >HOWEVER - the birth record of their son >William born in 1876 in Marine City, Michigan >states that >Jacob was born in Lindsey, Canada >Louise in Three Rivers, Canada. >Three Rivers is Quebec, >BUT >Lindsey is in Victoria County. >I did find an IGI Family Group Record in Lindsey with >Joseph as the father and Elizabeth as the mother >Jacob as one of 6 children and born in 1844. >Found a VERY POOR QUALITY census record for Lindsey area >with a Jacob, and many other Fountains, but nothing to tie him to a Joseph. > >1900 census shows that Jacob and Louisa came to the USA in 1880 and became >citizens in 1882. >BUT, - >Jacob's certificate of intention is dated 8 May 1897. > >Most records show Louisa born in French Canada >1870 - age 18 b. 1852; >1880 - age 27 b. 1853; >1900 - age 48 b. June 1851; >1910 - age 58 b. 1852/51; >1920 age 64 - b. 1856. >Louise died 20 November 1927 in Bay City, Bay, Michigan at age 68 >years, 5 months, 2 days >which would make her born 18 June 1859. >I'm going with the birth date of June 1851 for her and born in >French Canada. Maybe Three Rivers, >but I've checked as much as I know how to check and found no record >of her birth. >Her parents names are David Hill and Mary unknown >she had a brother, James b. abt. 1857 >an adopted sister named Matilda Woods born abt 1872 in Michigan. >***Other recently found relatives show James born in New York, USA!!!*** > >OH YES!!! >1870 census shows a farm laborer in the >Jacob and Louisa home by the name of >Alexander Woods and HE was born in New York. >on the 1880 census David and Mary Hill and Matilda Woods b. abt 1872 >- adopted - live >just a few houses away. James and his wife Angelina live with them. > >I won't get into Jacob and Louisa's 15 children and only 4 living as of the >1900 census. >Or the duplicate names used and sets of twins and deaths of the babies!!! >They named 4 babies Mary before they got one who lived. >It must have been so heartbreaking for them! > >I'm guessing they married in Marine City, Michigan >but the Jacob I find isn't married to A Louisa. >BUT - my memory says that it might have been a Hill. >Could she have changed her given name? >No parents names on the record. > >I'm asking for suggestions for where to go next, >and what my priorities should be, in order to find Jacob and Louisa >in Canada. >Your ideas would be >GREATLY appreciated. > >Dee Sager >Neosho, Missouri USA > > > > > > > > > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You mention two adopted children living with the family, but not with the family surname. I wonder if they were British Home Children. If no luck with any resource, suggest you enroll with [email protected] And ask if the children might be. Yhe information you gave meets the criteria. If you don't know about home children, look them up on Google for the subject. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stella Stanger Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Help with what FOUNTAN,LaFOUNTAIN, HILL,. . Hi Dee, Wish I could be of help - but - a few thoughts. 1. Re differences in BiRTH YEARS - on various CENSUS Unlike today - some people may not have known their birth date they may know the aprox - year - or guess at the aprox. year./month. 2. REGISTRATION of DEATH - is only as accurate - as the information known to the informant - which - may at times be way off. * eg. my uncles son in law was the informant on his registration of death - in the 1960's He had the name -correct - but to this day - we don't know where he found the name of the mother - ?? a surname not known to any family members . The given name - not one shown in any family information. He does not remember - where or why he gave that name. - the records are therefor not correct. It would cost $50 to have this amended - The 5 daughters and 3 sons - did no want to pay the fee. and I am not allowed to. 3.CERTIFICATE of INTENT- will probably the most accurate one - since it is an official document - Rather than family history/stories/ beliefs . - which can be incorrect. Certificate of Intent - would this be an application for Citizenship. **Citizenship Papers - the same ? - if not - have you searched State Archive for Michigan - or National Archive in Washington DC - for Citizenship. This may? show names of parents - date and place of birth - hopefully the correct date - and actual place of birth. 4. Marriages of Children: Marriage Registration of the children - will show the names of parents - place of birth of parents - may show actual place - or Canada - may be worth a search. Have you posted to Michigan, to Quebec - Mail Lists - or Message Boards. Message boards you will only receive response to your posting. Wishing you much luck with your research> Cheers, Stella At 12:28 PM 06/04/2010, you wrote: >Hi Listers, > >I'm at a loss. Been doing genealogy for 20 years, but I'm drawing blanks on >what to do with my Fountain/LaFountain older generation. I would love some >ideas/suggestions on where to go next and maybe how to clarify what I have. > >I'm researching Jacob Fountain - >until 1900- who then becomes Jacob LaFountain and his wife, >Louisa/Louise Hill. >I've found him on >1870 census in Marine City, St. Clair, Michigan born about 1845; >1880 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan born about 1842; >1900 census in Bay County, Michigan shows him born Sept 1847; >1910 census in Bay county, Michigan shows him born about 1852; >1920 census in Bay City, Bay, Michigan and born about 1845. >Jacob died 23 February 1924 at the age of 71 years - >which would make him born in Sept 1847 - although he was age 75 in >1920 . . . <G> >All census records show Jacob born in French Canada and >his parents born in French Canada. >1900 census states that he came to USA in 1868 and he married in 1868. >HOWEVER - the birth record of their son >William born in 1876 in Marine City, Michigan >states that >Jacob was born in Lindsey, Canada >Louise in Three Rivers, Canada. >Three Rivers is Quebec, >BUT >Lindsey is in Victoria County. >I did find an IGI Family Group Record in Lindsey with >Joseph as the father and Elizabeth as the mother >Jacob as one of 6 children and born in 1844. >Found a VERY POOR QUALITY census record for Lindsey area >with a Jacob, and many other Fountains, but nothing to tie him to a Joseph. > >1900 census shows that Jacob and Louisa came to the USA in 1880 and became >citizens in 1882. >BUT, - >Jacob's certificate of intention is dated 8 May 1897. > >Most records show Louisa born in French Canada >1870 - age 18 b. 1852; >1880 - age 27 b. 1853; >1900 - age 48 b. June 1851; >1910 - age 58 b. 1852/51; >1920 age 64 - b. 1856. >Louise died 20 November 1927 in Bay City, Bay, Michigan at age 68 >years, 5 months, 2 days >which would make her born 18 June 1859. >I'm going with the birth date of June 1851 for her and born in >French Canada. Maybe Three Rivers, >but I've checked as much as I know how to check and found no record >of her birth. >Her parents names are David Hill and Mary unknown >she had a brother, James b. abt. 1857 >an adopted sister named Matilda Woods born abt 1872 in Michigan. >***Other recently found relatives show James born in New York, USA!!!*** > >OH YES!!! >1870 census shows a farm laborer in the >Jacob and Louisa home by the name of >Alexander Woods and HE was born in New York. >on the 1880 census David and Mary Hill and Matilda Woods b. abt 1872 >- adopted - live >just a few houses away. James and his wife Angelina live with them. > >I won't get into Jacob and Louisa's 15 children and only 4 living as of the >1900 census. >Or the duplicate names used and sets of twins and deaths of the babies!!! >They named 4 babies Mary before they got one who lived. >It must have been so heartbreaking for them! > >I'm guessing they married in Marine City, Michigan >but the Jacob I find isn't married to A Louisa. >BUT - my memory says that it might have been a Hill. >Could she have changed her given name? >No parents names on the record. > >I'm asking for suggestions for where to go next, >and what my priorities should be, in order to find Jacob and Louisa >in Canada. >Your ideas would be >GREATLY appreciated. > >Dee Sager >Neosho, Missouri USA > > > > > > > > > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message