Hello Fiona, According to the book "Wilson's Marriage Notices, the marriage of "Lemon Smith " and Mary Campbell was reported in the Christian Guardian ( the Methodist newspaper) on June 5 1839 "on 25th April, Lemon Smith and Mary Campbell, both of Tiny, (Rev J Scott). On Ancestry , the image of this marriage return in the Home district register is now available. I'll send it to you off list. The marriage took place in Orillia and the minister Jonathan Scott wrote the return when he was in Niagara in 1840 . I think I see the family in Toronto in the 1861 census you referred to . They are also there in 1871 census. Mary is running a boarding house. But Harriet is still with them, age 31, milliner and Ellen is with them? There can't be 2 families with a son named Leman the right age in Toronto at the same time? You can get the image through Automated genealogy. 1871 census Name: Mary Smith Gender: Female Age: 49 Birth Year: abt 1822 Birth Place: Scotland Marital Status: Widowed Religion: W Methodist Origin: Scotland (Scotish) Province: Ontario District: Toronto West District Number: 46 Division: 02 Subdistrict: St Patricks Ward Subdistrict Number: b Household Members: Name Age Mary Smith 49 Harriott Smith 31 Mary Anne Smith 27 Lemen Smith 25 Ellen Smith 23 Margret Smith 21 Mary Smith appears in the Toronto Directories in the Digital Collection at the Toronto Public Library. She is mentioned from about 1866 to 1874. The first couple years say she is the widow of Leman. 1874 says wid L. Lemon appears in the directories starting about 1866 He was a porter with the GWR (Great Western Railway) Then I odn't see either in the census, or any vital statistics on Ancestry. They vanish. It is hard getting outgoing records from Canada. You might get more information on Robert Braik leaving Canada through his military records. Joanna > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:19:19 +0100 > From: "Fiona Waltenberg" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ONTARIO] Help needed > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello > > I'm hoping someone can help me.here is some background to my request: > > Mary Ann Campbell (born Scotland 1822) and Leman Smith (born New York 1814 > - > apparently) were married on 25 April 1839 in Orillia, Simco, Ontario. Leman > and Mary Ann had 7 children: > > Harriet, born/christened 5 February 1840, Penetanguishene, Simco > John, born/christened 14 December 1841, Penetanguishene, Simco > Mary Ann, born/christened 9 July 1843, Penetanguishene, Simco > Leman, born/christened 1846, Penetanguishene, Simco Simco > Ellen, born/christened December 1848, Penetanguishene Simco > Margaret, born/christened 25 November 1850, Penetanguishene,Simco > William, born/christened 1853, Penetanguishene, Simco > > The family were Wesleyan Methodists and by 1861 I believe that they were in > Toronto as Harriet, Mary Ann, Margaret, William and mother Mary Ann are in > the Ontario 1861 Census - Census place - Toronto, York, Ontario. I can't > find the father, Leman, in this census and it's possible that he may have > died between 1853 and 1861. > Harriet's sister Ellen was married on the same day has her and her witness > was Leman Smith though I think that this is her brother Leman, not her > father. > > Harriet A Smith married Robert Baron Braik on 14 April 1864 in York > (Toronto). Robert Braik was in the army and he and Harriet had returned to > England by 1871. On the 1871 England Census they have 3 children, Mary Ann, > 5 yrs, Catherine, 3 yrs and Ellen, 1 month. The eldest daughter is indicated > as born in Aldershot, England so assuming this is correct they had returned > to England by 1865/1866. > > Catherine Braik is my great grandmother. She emigrated to Australia (from > what I can see by herself) in 1893 on the ship Taranto. > > Could anyone give me some pointers on: > > The possibility and whereabouts of the marriage record for Mary Ann and > Leman (25 April 1839). > A death record for Leman Smith, (father) > A death record for Mary Ann Smith, (mother) > Whether any shipping records might be available for Mary Ann's arrival in > Canada - I'm assuming that she would have come with her family. > Any shipping records for Robert and Harriet Braik leaving Canada. > > I would be very grateful for any help that anyone can give as I'm a bit > stuck on this Canadian connection and would like to research this further. I > don't have regular access to Ancestry.com. I obtained the birth information > above from familysearch.org. > > Thanks very much > > Fiona

Thanks so much for the information that I have received so far. Re the 1871 census, this is where is starts to get a bit spooky...Harriet and Ellen were married on the same day in 1864 (York, Toronto) and by the time of the England 1871 census Harriet was in England with her husband Robert Braik. So, in theory she shouldn't really appear on the 1871 Ontario census..... I've followed Ellen a bit - her married name was Baker and she appears with her husband in later census records in Wisconsin (I think). Thanks Fiona -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joanna Waugh Sent: 20 June 2010 04:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Help needed Hello Fiona, According to the book "Wilson's Marriage Notices, the marriage of "Lemon Smith " and Mary Campbell was reported in the Christian Guardian ( the Methodist newspaper) on June 5 1839 "on 25th April, Lemon Smith and Mary Campbell, both of Tiny, (Rev J Scott). On Ancestry , the image of this marriage return in the Home district register is now available. I'll send it to you off list. The marriage took place in Orillia and the minister Jonathan Scott wrote the return when he was in Niagara in 1840 . I think I see the family in Toronto in the 1861 census you referred to . They are also there in 1871 census. Mary is running a boarding house. But Harriet is still with them, age 31, milliner and Ellen is with them? There can't be 2 families with a son named Leman the right age in Toronto at the same time? You can get the image through Automated genealogy. 1871 census Name: Mary Smith Gender: Female Age: 49 Birth Year: abt 1822 Birth Place: Scotland Marital Status: Widowed Religion: W Methodist Origin: Scotland (Scotish) Province: Ontario District: Toronto West District Number: 46 Division: 02 Subdistrict: St Patricks Ward Subdistrict Number: b Household Members: Name Age Mary Smith 49 Harriott Smith 31 Mary Anne Smith 27 Lemen Smith 25 Ellen Smith 23 Margret Smith 21 Mary Smith appears in the Toronto Directories in the Digital Collection at the Toronto Public Library. She is mentioned from about 1866 to 1874. The first couple years say she is the widow of Leman. 1874 says wid L. Lemon appears in the directories starting about 1866 He was a porter with the GWR (Great Western Railway) Then I odn't see either in the census, or any vital statistics on Ancestry. They vanish. It is hard getting outgoing records from Canada. You might get more information on Robert Braik leaving Canada through his military records. Joanna > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:19:19 +0100 > From: "Fiona Waltenberg" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ONTARIO] Help needed > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello > > I'm hoping someone can help me.here is some background to my request: > > Mary Ann Campbell (born Scotland 1822) and Leman Smith (born New York 1814 > - > apparently) were married on 25 April 1839 in Orillia, Simco, Ontario. Leman > and Mary Ann had 7 children: > > Harriet, born/christened 5 February 1840, Penetanguishene, Simco > John, born/christened 14 December 1841, Penetanguishene, Simco > Mary Ann, born/christened 9 July 1843, Penetanguishene, Simco > Leman, born/christened 1846, Penetanguishene, Simco Simco > Ellen, born/christened December 1848, Penetanguishene Simco > Margaret, born/christened 25 November 1850, Penetanguishene,Simco > William, born/christened 1853, Penetanguishene, Simco > > The family were Wesleyan Methodists and by 1861 I believe that they were in > Toronto as Harriet, Mary Ann, Margaret, William and mother Mary Ann are in > the Ontario 1861 Census - Census place - Toronto, York, Ontario. I can't > find the father, Leman, in this census and it's possible that he may have > died between 1853 and 1861. > Harriet's sister Ellen was married on the same day has her and her witness > was Leman Smith though I think that this is her brother Leman, not her > father. > > Harriet A Smith married Robert Baron Braik on 14 April 1864 in York > (Toronto). Robert Braik was in the army and he and Harriet had returned to > England by 1871. On the 1871 England Census they have 3 children, Mary Ann, > 5 yrs, Catherine, 3 yrs and Ellen, 1 month. The eldest daughter is indicated > as born in Aldershot, England so assuming this is correct they had returned > to England by 1865/1866. > > Catherine Braik is my great grandmother. She emigrated to Australia (from > what I can see by herself) in 1893 on the ship Taranto. > > Could anyone give me some pointers on: > > The possibility and whereabouts of the marriage record for Mary Ann and > Leman (25 April 1839). > A death record for Leman Smith, (father) > A death record for Mary Ann Smith, (mother) > Whether any shipping records might be available for Mary Ann's arrival in > Canada - I'm assuming that she would have come with her family. > Any shipping records for Robert and Harriet Braik leaving Canada. > > I would be very grateful for any help that anyone can give as I'm a bit > stuck on this Canadian connection and would like to research this further. I > don't have regular access to Ancestry.com. I obtained the birth information > above from familysearch.org. > > Thanks very much > > Fiona *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message