I agree with the other Liz. Don't go through Ancestry or any other secondary source - they all charge extra fees (often rather outrageous ones, in my humble opinion) on top of what the UK government charges directly. The UK government has put out some notices recently warning people about this because so few people seem to realize it. You can also order certificates directly from the county records office of the county where the person's event was registered. They may or may not be cheaper, but you do get the original rather than the copy that was sent in to the government and is now held at the General Records Office (GRO). The original will have the signatures if the people were able to sign their names, whereas the GRO copy won't. I have also occasionally found a mistake on the GRO copy that wasn't on the original, so whomever transcribed it presumably made the error. In my case, sometimes I order from the GRO, sometimes direct from the records office. Liz Loveland USA

Hello Brian, thank you for that information, my comments were based on experience so can only speak from that. Have been told on several occasions "under the Privacy Act we are not allowed to divulge any burial information" that included whether or not a person is actually buried there. One particular Cemetery did happen to leave Log on counter & excused himself to make a call, thought that was very considerate (done on purpose). My thoughts are that the Privacy Act has put a lot of Cemeteries on their toes & they are afraid of possible repercussions so err on the side of caution. On the reverse side of this some Cemeteries are charging exhorbitant dollars per name for look ups. However, if you don't ask you won't know. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Brian Gilchrist To: ontario@rootsweb.com Cc: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Access to Ontario Cemetery records Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records and inheritence. Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so let's not make waves. But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the cemetery knows the details. Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery can not provide you with details that they do not have. I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might help them add to their own records. With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in cemeteries ... If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist Genealogist and Archivist Researching since 1966 ... Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge a public register containing the following information: 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the location of the lot to which the rights pertain. 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the rights were transferred. 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on which the remains were interred. 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (2)." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info they give > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > Keep well > El

Thanks, Brian. I suspect that a few cemetery staff may be using "privacy" as an excuse to chase away us pesky genealogists. My only experience with staff was both extremes. I visited one cemetery who were more than helpful, bring out the ledgers and drawing me a map; a couple of hours later and a few miles down the road, I was just in the way while he tried to work around the cemetery. That was a few years ago, so both those3 fellow may in fact be inhabiting their respective cemeteries now :-) Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J. Brian Gilchrist Sent: February 24, 2012 5:56 PM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records and inheritence. Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so let's not make waves. But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the cemetery knows the details. Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery can not provide you with details that they do not have. I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might help them add to their own records. With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in cemeteries ... If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist Genealogist and Archivist Researching since 1966 ... Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge a public register containing the following information: 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the location of the lot to which the rights pertain. 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the rights were transferred. 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on which the remains were interred. 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (2)." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info they give > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > Keep well > El *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian, Does your information apply to all Provinces Some Cemeteries have not been transcribed - or photographed - Years ago - there seemed to be much interest in doing this - but has not followed through - not that there were no volunteers.. At 02:55 PM 24/02/2012, you wrote: >Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a >cemetery not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me >a little bit (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. > >I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the >Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various >times on a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, >genealogy, records and inheritence. > >Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact >provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT >have to provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of >death) and so let's not make waves. > >But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about >who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the >cemetery knows the details. > >Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the >years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was >buried there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th >century. Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore >a cemetery can not provide you with details that they do not have. > >I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a >small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary >had records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total >up to almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... > >Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario >Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario >"Cemeteries Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, >Chapter 4. The term "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". > >While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many >smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they >private and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information >we are looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as >many smaller cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - >not paid staff - and to be sure most try to be as helpful as >possible. MAny are often interested in knowing the results of our >search for burials, as it might help them add to their own records. > >With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember >to consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario >Genealogical Society where your research interests and or the >cemetery of interest is ... you will be in excellent company of >others who enjoy spending time in cemeteries ... > >If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one >particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I >would like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of >non-disclosure really is. > >Cheers! >J. Brian Gilchrist >Genealogist and Archivist >Researching since 1966 ... >Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway >TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 >gilchrists@idirect.com > > >"38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without >charge a public register containing the following information: > >1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the >location of the lot to which the rights pertain. > >2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment >rights that have been transferred to another person and the date on >which the rights were transferred. > >3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the >cemetery, the location of the lot in which the remains are interred >and the date on which the remains were interred. > >4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the >crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. > >5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the >name of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which >the remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains >were reinterred. > >6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). > >(2) The information shall be set out in the public register within >five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner >becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. >130/92, s. 38 (2)." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> >To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM >Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > > > > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but > > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on > info they give > > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > > > Keep well > > El > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Years ago - Before Ancesty ? I did order from the GRO - service was surprisingly fast - [compared to the wait I had for information here in some Provinces in Canada ] I was amazed at the beauty of the handwriting - on the Certificate - the signatures of the family members - [big smile ] so precise - and amazing - on all the certificates that arrived - the handwriting - and signatures - were so similar - A friend who had been researching for a much longer time - suggested that next time I order from the local registry office - if I wanted authenticity - copy of original. Dollars were scarce at the time - so never followed through. Just happy to have some information. Cheers, Stella At 05:04 PM 24/02/2012, you wrote: >I agree with the other Liz. Don't go through Ancestry or any other >secondary source - they all charge extra fees (often rather >outrageous ones, in my humble opinion) on top of what the UK >government charges directly. The UK government has put out some >notices recently warning people about this because so few people >seem to realize it. > >You can also order certificates directly from the county records >office of the county where the person's event was registered. They >may or may not be cheaper, but you do get the original rather than >the copy that was sent in to the government and is now held at the >General Records Office (GRO). The original will have the signatures >if the people were able to sign their names, whereas the GRO copy >won't. I have also occasionally found a mistake on the GRO copy >that wasn't on the original, so whomever transcribed it presumably >made the error. In my case, sometimes I order from the GRO, >sometimes direct from the records office. > >Liz Loveland >USA > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records and inheritence. Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so let's not make waves. But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the cemetery knows the details. Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery can not provide you with details that they do not have. I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might help them add to their own records. With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in cemeteries ... If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist Genealogist and Archivist Researching since 1966 ... Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge a public register containing the following information: 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the location of the lot to which the rights pertain. 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the rights were transferred. 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on which the remains were interred. 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (2)." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info they give > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > Keep well > El

Thank you Brian, very good information. From: J. Brian Gilchrist Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records and inheritence. Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so let's not make waves. But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the cemetery knows the details. Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery can not provide you with details that they do not have. I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might help them add to their own records. With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in cemeteries ... If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist Genealogist and Archivist Researching since 1966 ... Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge a public register containing the following information: 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the location of the lot to which the rights pertain. 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the rights were transferred. 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on which the remains were interred. 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (2)." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info they give > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > Keep well > El *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thx Liz, this info helps a lot. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvieandliz" <hebarker@shaw.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK Records > hi Sherry, I have numerous certificates from Britain, they now cost > 9.25 pounds each, having recently gone up...ordered from Gov site: > GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE...most genealogy sites just have indexes..I am > a subscriber to Findmypast which like Ancestry has indexes of UK > BMD...sometimes Familysearch has a bit more info with these. The > indexes allow one to enter in the relevant data to obtain the correct > certificate. > It really is worth spending the money if you cant get the information > any other way. they can be ordered online and paid by credit card; I > have never had any problem with this..have literally dozens! and they > come very speedily too! > UK BMD records are great...one can order even quite recent > ones...especially deaths up to just a few years ago. > If I can help, just ask, liz of BC > > On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:16 PM, john thomas wrote: > >> Hi Dawn, have found registration record of a death, but it is just >> that, a >> registration, doesnt include all of the information. I will try the >> UK >> version of ancestry, may have a little more luck. Just starting the >> research on my Grandmothers family, she was a home child, sent to >> Canada in >> 1910. I have most of her info from Barnardo's, but I am just >> beginning to >> fill in the rest of the blanks. >> >> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. >> Sherry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dawn Hicks" <smyttie_b1875@primus.ca> >> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK Records >> >> >>> >>> Hi Sherry, >>> What type of records are you looking for- vitals or census or what? >>> >>> Sometimes if I go directly to the UK Ancestry (http://ancestry.co.uk) >>> I >>> have >>> better luck with most things, but for vitals certs you do have to pay >>> usually and the sites are usually the Record Offices for that county. >>> The >>> most I have paid is about 15/16 dollars, but I guess it depends on the >>> site >>> or record office. >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *********** >>> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >>> >>> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the info on the "sussex" site, I tried it, and looks like I will spend some time on it, to see what comes up. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK records > Hi, > > You may also try the following website: > > http://www.sussex-opc.org/index.php?no=1 > > It's called Sussex Online Parish Clerks - they have a wealth of > information online that is free. > > Chris > > On 2012-02-24, at 7:52 AM, john thomas wrote: > >> I have been researching using Ancestry, for Sussex area in England. I >> find the records which are registered, but to get at the details of that >> record, Ancestry forwards you to a research company, who charges upwards >> of $30 for one detailed record, which may or may not be the correct >> individual. Records I'm looking for are mid to late >> 1800's, early 1900's. >> >> Is there another way to get at the detail information from England >> without paying out many dollars for something that may not be correct. >> >> thanks for any suggestions/help >> >> Sherry >> >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dawn, have found registration record of a death, but it is just that, a registration, doesnt include all of the information. I will try the UK version of ancestry, may have a little more luck. Just starting the research on my Grandmothers family, she was a home child, sent to Canada in 1910. I have most of her info from Barnardo's, but I am just beginning to fill in the rest of the blanks. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Hicks" <smyttie_b1875@primus.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK Records > > Hi Sherry, > What type of records are you looking for- vitals or census or what? > > Sometimes if I go directly to the UK Ancestry (http://ancestry.co.uk) I > have > better luck with most things, but for vitals certs you do have to pay > usually and the sites are usually the Record Offices for that county. The > most I have paid is about 15/16 dollars, but I guess it depends on the > site > or record office. > > Dawn > > > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Will be in touch Chris. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Ellen, > > Thanks so much! The John and Mary you refer to are John McDowell and Mary > Heaslip - also my relatives. If you are able to do additional research, > it would be most appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Chris > > On 2012-02-24, at 11:15 AM, Ellen Murray wrote: > >> Chris, went through my Manvers Twp Cemetery Transcriptions & only >> McDowell >> (no McDowde) is a John & Mary in Janetville, also a Georgina. >> >> Am at Library tomorrow & can search a little futher if you like >> >> Ellen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> >> To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14 PM >> Subject: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: >>> >>> Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. >>> >>> The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage >>> record: >>> >>> Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & >>> Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no >>> mothers >>> name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on March >>> 18, 1870 at Lindsay >>> >>> Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) >>> or >>> even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census >>> records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. >>> We >>> believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) around >>> 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a >>> maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both >>> Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where >>> their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record >>> of >>> a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a >>> close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, >>> 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. >>> >>> Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 >>> (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do >>> know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of >>> information on her and her family. >>> >>> Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed something >>> or overlooked something! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell) >>> >>> *********** >>> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >>> >>> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get but where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info they give out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. Keep well El ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stella Stanger" <sstanger@sfu.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi Ellen, Not researching - but a question. > When there is a Cemetery Transcript - The information comes only > from the Headstones/ Markers ? - or from the Internment book in the > Cemetery Office ? > > Years ago - even with a transcript - I have visited the Cemetery > office - and found other burials not shown. > > Some people do not place stones - because of the expense at the time > - or other circumstances interfere - -over time - forgotten. > > > > > > At 11:15 AM 24/02/2012, you wrote: >>Chris, went through my Manvers Twp Cemetery Transcriptions & only McDowell >>(no McDowde) is a John & Mary in Janetville, also a Georgina. >> >>Am at Library tomorrow & can search a little futher if you like >> >>Ellen >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> >>To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14 PM >>Subject: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: >> > >> > Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. >> > >> > The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage >> > record: >> > >> > Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & >> > Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no >> > mothers >> > name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on >> > March >> > 18, 1870 at Lindsay >> > >> > Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) >> > or >> > even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census >> > records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. >> > We >> > believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) >> > around >> > 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a >> > maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both >> > Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where >> > their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record >> > of >> > a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a >> > close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, >> > 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. >> > >> > Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 >> > (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do >> > know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of >> > information on her and her family. >> > >> > Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed >> > something >> > or overlooked something! >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell) >> > >> > *********** >> > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> > >> > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >>*********** >>Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >>Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sherry, What type of records are you looking for- vitals or census or what? Sometimes if I go directly to the UK Ancestry (http://ancestry.co.uk) I have better luck with most things, but for vitals certs you do have to pay usually and the sites are usually the Record Offices for that county. The most I have paid is about 15/16 dollars, but I guess it depends on the site or record office. Dawn

Chris, went through my Manvers Twp Cemetery Transcriptions & only McDowell (no McDowde) is a John & Mary in Janetville, also a Georgina. Am at Library tomorrow & can search a little futher if you like Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > Hi, > > I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: > > Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. > > The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage > record: > > Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & > Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no mothers > name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on March > 18, 1870 at Lindsay > > Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) or > even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census > records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. We > believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) around > 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a > maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both > Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where > their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record of > a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a > close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, > 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. > > Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 > (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do > know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of > information on her and her family. > > Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed something > or overlooked something! > > Thanks! > > Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell) > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the info Miles, will try my local library, but there is usually such a time delay these days in getting anything in from an outside source. Thx again, Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Krisman" <milez@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK records Try a branch of the Church of Later Day Saints. They have microfilms of most British records that are available. Perhaps your local library has access to the same information. --- On Fri, 2/24/12, john thomas <thomas.captnt@powergate.ca> wrote: From: john thomas <thomas.captnt@powergate.ca> Subject: [ONTARIO] Research UK records To: ontario@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 3:52 PM I have been researching using Ancestry, for Sussex area in England. I find the records which are registered, but to get at the details of that record, Ancestry forwards you to a research company, who charges upwards of $30 for one detailed record, which may or may not be the correct individual. Records I'm looking for are mid to late 1800's, early 1900's. Is there another way to get at the detail information from England without paying out many dollars for something that may not be correct. thanks for any suggestions/help Sherry *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Sherry, I have numerous certificates from Britain, they now cost 9.25 pounds each, having recently gone up...ordered from Gov site: GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE...most genealogy sites just have indexes..I am a subscriber to Findmypast which like Ancestry has indexes of UK BMD...sometimes Familysearch has a bit more info with these. The indexes allow one to enter in the relevant data to obtain the correct certificate. It really is worth spending the money if you cant get the information any other way. they can be ordered online and paid by credit card; I have never had any problem with this..have literally dozens! and they come very speedily too! UK BMD records are great...one can order even quite recent ones...especially deaths up to just a few years ago. If I can help, just ask, liz of BC On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:16 PM, john thomas wrote: > Hi Dawn, have found registration record of a death, but it is just > that, a > registration, doesnt include all of the information. I will try the > UK > version of ancestry, may have a little more luck. Just starting the > research on my Grandmothers family, she was a home child, sent to > Canada in > 1910. I have most of her info from Barnardo's, but I am just > beginning to > fill in the rest of the blanks. > > Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. > Sherry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Hicks" <smyttie_b1875@primus.ca> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Research UK Records > > >> >> Hi Sherry, >> What type of records are you looking for- vitals or census or what? >> >> Sometimes if I go directly to the UK Ancestry (http://ancestry.co.uk) >> I >> have >> better luck with most things, but for vitals certs you do have to pay >> usually and the sites are usually the Record Offices for that county. >> The >> most I have paid is about 15/16 dollars, but I guess it depends on the >> site >> or record office. >> >> Dawn >> >> >> >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ellen, Not researching - but a question. When there is a Cemetery Transcript - The information comes only from the Headstones/ Markers ? - or from the Internment book in the Cemetery Office ? Years ago - even with a transcript - I have visited the Cemetery office - and found other burials not shown. Some people do not place stones - because of the expense at the time - or other circumstances interfere - -over time - forgotten. At 11:15 AM 24/02/2012, you wrote: >Chris, went through my Manvers Twp Cemetery Transcriptions & only McDowell >(no McDowde) is a John & Mary in Janetville, also a Georgina. > >Am at Library tomorrow & can search a little futher if you like > >Ellen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> >To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14 PM >Subject: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: > > > > Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. > > > > The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage > > record: > > > > Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & > > Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no mothers > > name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on March > > 18, 1870 at Lindsay > > > > Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) or > > even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census > > records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. We > > believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) around > > 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a > > maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both > > Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where > > their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record of > > a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a > > close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, > > 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. > > > > Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 > > (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do > > know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of > > information on her and her family. > > > > Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed something > > or overlooked something! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell) > > > > *********** > > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellen, Thanks so much! The John and Mary you refer to are John McDowell and Mary Heaslip - also my relatives. If you are able to do additional research, it would be most appreciated! Thanks! Chris On 2012-02-24, at 11:15 AM, Ellen Murray wrote: > Chris, went through my Manvers Twp Cemetery Transcriptions & only McDowell > (no McDowde) is a John & Mary in Janetville, also a Georgina. > > Am at Library tomorrow & can search a little futher if you like > > Ellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Wilson" <ctwilson67@gmail.com> > To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14 PM > Subject: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > > >> Hi, >> >> I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: >> >> Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. >> >> The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage >> record: >> >> Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & >> Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no mothers >> name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on March >> 18, 1870 at Lindsay >> >> Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) or >> even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census >> records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. We >> believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) around >> 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a >> maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both >> Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where >> their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record of >> a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a >> close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, >> 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. >> >> Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 >> (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do >> know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of >> information on her and her family. >> >> Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed something >> or overlooked something! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell) >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been researching using Ancestry, for Sussex area in England. I find the records which are registered, but to get at the details of that record, Ancestry forwards you to a research company, who charges upwards of $30 for one detailed record, which may or may not be the correct individual. Records I'm looking for are mid to late 1800's, early 1900's. Is there another way to get at the detail information from England without paying out many dollars for something that may not be correct. thanks for any suggestions/help Sherry

Hi, I'm having a devil of a time finding anything on the following people: Robert McDowell and his wife Caroline or Catharine. The only recorded item I can currently find is for their son's marriage record: Vol 10-Pg 91 Thomas McDOWDE, 28, farmer, Ireland, Manvers, s/o Robert & Catharine, married Ellen McDOWDE, 19, Manvers, same, d/o John (no mothers name given), witn: Henry HEASLIP & Thomas BEALL both of Lindsay on March 18, 1870 at Lindsay Transcribers have variously transcribed McDowell as McDowde (as above) or even McDoude! That said, I have even tried to search through census records by first name and still cannot find anything on either person. We believe that Robert was born in Ireland (likely Ulster or Bangor) around 1820 and that he perhaps died in Janetville in 1914. We don't have a maiden last name for Caroline (or Catharine). I have searched in both Durham County, where their son was married and in Simcoe County, where their son settled after his marriage, and neither county has any record of a Robert (as I said, I tried searching just on the first name) with a close enough last name and a close enough age for the census' of 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. Their son Thomas' 1901 census, he indicated that he immigrated in 1861 (although the 1911 census indicated that he immigrated in 1860). We do know that he married his cousin, Ellen McDowell, and have plenty of information on her and her family. Any thoughts/input would be appreciated! I'm sure I've missed something or overlooked something! Thanks! Chris Wilson (3X great grandson of Robert McDowell)