Am coming in a little late on this but have question for anyone who has personally visited GRO or County Record Offices to order Certs. Is it possible to do in person? How long does it take? Planning trip in Fall & was hoping to do this. Ellen

Sher, As I said in my response to the initial question, the amount varies from county records office to county records office. Whether it is more expensive to order from the General Records Office (GRO) depends on where your research is. What Dawn ordered was about the same price as ordering directly from the GRO. Ordering from some of the counties where I am researching is cheaper than ordering from the GRO, and ordering from others isn't. Additionally, if you are lucky enough to have a county that has scanned register records post-mid-1837 and made them accessible on the web, you can access any available ones online and skip ordering those from anywhere, as these registers are where all these other record copies originated. Ancestry.co.uk has the largest number of these so far, and there are selected ones available elsewhere, including a growing number at FamilySearch.org. Some aren't indexed and the ones that are indexed are often poorly indexed (especially certain parish recor! d sets on Ancestry), but when weighing the cost of ordering from the UK against the time it takes to search a community page-by-page online, many people (myself included) usually choose the latter. Liz Loveland USA > They may have gone up, but I think they are more expensive if you order from the "General Record Office" rather than the individual county offices.

Hi Marcia ... It is great that you made a donation of appreciation - as that will always win over friends ... Also please remember to send a thank you note - even without a donation. Further in case my Canadian friends and readers do not know (or have forgotten) that if you are dealing with a "Church cemetery" associated with an active Ccongregation you can ask for Receipt for Canadian Income Tax purposes for your donation. Your donation therefore becomes a charitable act with a tax benefit! This will not apply to our American or overseas friends, unless you file a Canadian Income Tax return. It might not make a huge difference, but in this day and age, every little bit helps ... for both the use of the Church and for your Income Tax deductions ... Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia G Kennedy" <mmemouse@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records >I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery supervisor for a >county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where a significant portion >of one of my families was buried, some without headstones. She was >fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an extraction from the county >records - I had a list of all cemeteries with family members in them; I had >plot sizes and dates, and she even pulled me all birth records she had that >might be related. Believe me, I made a donation to that county for cemetery >maintenance and refurbishment. > > Marcia Kennedy in Guelph

Hello sorry this is late to everyone who answer my request about Horace and Martha Crowson,I must say a very big thank to you all, it was most kind for you to help me, with all the information that I receive my friend can now finish that end of her tree, once again thank you sandra

All the known cemeteries in Ontario are listed in the OGS Ontario Cemetery Locator at http://ogs.andornot.com/CemLocat.aspx Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil & Coy Harmon Sent: February 26, 2012 9:34 AM To: Marcia G Kennedy; ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records I've been following the discussion on cemeteries with much interest since I'm trying to find where a relative, who lived in Hamilton, was buried. Marcia, how did you find the email address for the county cemetery supervisor? Question#2: I'm sure there are many cemeteries in Hamilton. Where do I find a list of the cemeteries? Thanks, Coy Harmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia G Kennedy" <mmemouse@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records >I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery supervisor for a >county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where a significant portion >of one of my families was buried, some without headstones. She was >fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an extraction from the county >records - I had a list of all cemeteries with family members in them; I had >plot sizes and dates, and she even pulled me all birth records she had that >might be related. Believe me, I made a donation to that county for cemetery >maintenance and refurbishment. > > Marcia Kennedy in Guelph > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent point Kathie ... and so very true. It can all depend on how you ask, and sometimes literally who you ask ... So, always good to check back a few months later and someone eflse might be able to help you out ... Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathie Fortner" <kfortner@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > > Re Cemeteries > > I have visited cemeteries here in Ontario. What we have been told is that > they will not give you the details on "the Smiths" buried there. > > What they will do is give you details on your uncle John Q Smith, and his > wife Jane Green. > > So I guess it depends on the employee you encounter, as they all seem to > interpret the privacy act differently. > > Kathie Fortner > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Mike. You Ontario genealogists are great! We southerners appreciate your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike More" <mikemore@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com>; "'Marcia G Kennedy'" <mmemouse@rogers.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > All the known cemeteries in Ontario are listed in the OGS Ontario Cemetery > Locator at http://ogs.andornot.com/CemLocat.aspx > > Mike More > mikemore@rogers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Phil & Coy Harmon > Sent: February 26, 2012 9:34 AM > To: Marcia G Kennedy; ontario@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > > I've been following the discussion on cemeteries with much interest since > I'm trying to find where a relative, who lived in Hamilton, was buried. > Marcia, how did you find the email address for the county cemetery > supervisor? Question#2: I'm sure there are many cemeteries in Hamilton. > Where do I find a list of the cemeteries? > > Thanks, > Coy Harmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcia G Kennedy" <mmemouse@rogers.com> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > > >>I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery supervisor for >>a > >>county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where a significant portion >>of one of my families was buried, some without headstones. She was >>fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an extraction from the county >>records - I had a list of all cemeteries with family members in them; I >>had > >>plot sizes and dates, and she even pulled me all birth records she had >>that > >>might be related. Believe me, I made a donation to that county for >>cemetery > >>maintenance and refurbishment. >> >> Marcia Kennedy in Guelph >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been following the discussion on cemeteries with much interest since I'm trying to find where a relative, who lived in Hamilton, was buried. Marcia, how did you find the email address for the county cemetery supervisor? Question#2: I'm sure there are many cemeteries in Hamilton. Where do I find a list of the cemeteries? Thanks, Coy Harmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia G Kennedy" <mmemouse@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records >I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery supervisor for a >county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where a significant portion >of one of my families was buried, some without headstones. She was >fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an extraction from the county >records - I had a list of all cemeteries with family members in them; I had >plot sizes and dates, and she even pulled me all birth records she had that >might be related. Believe me, I made a donation to that county for cemetery >maintenance and refurbishment. > > Marcia Kennedy in Guelph > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Coy, Hamilton City website has a list of cemeteries: http://www.hamilton.ca/CityDepartments/PublicWorks/Parks/Cemeteries/ A contact email is also there. Public Works or the equivalent in many towns/cities is often the arm responsible for cemeteries.  Most Hamilton cemeteries have been transcribed. Hamilton Public Library holds these in their Local History and Archives department.  http://www.myhamilton.ca/public-library Microform Copies are also available by Interlibrary Loan from Library and Archives of Ontario.  http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/archival-records/interloan/cemetery.aspx Good luck! Marcia @ home in Guelph >________________________________ > From: Phil & Coy Harmon <philandcoy@gobigwest.com> >To: Marcia G Kennedy <mmemouse@rogers.com>; ontario@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:34:13 AM >Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > >I've been following the discussion on cemeteries with much interest since I'm trying to find where a relative, who lived in Hamilton, was buried. Marcia, how did you find the email address for the  county cemetery supervisor?  Question#2: I'm sure there are many cemeteries in Hamilton. Where do I find a list of the cemeteries? > >Thanks, >Coy Harmon > > > > >

Re Cemeteries I have visited cemeteries here in Ontario. What we have been told is that they will not give you the details on "the Smiths" buried there. What they will do is give you details on your uncle John Q Smith, and his wife Jane Green. So I guess it depends on the employee you encounter, as they all seem to interpret the privacy act differently. Kathie Fortner

Hi Dawn: They may have gone up, but I think they are more expensive if you order from the "General Record Office" rather than the individual county offices. Sher At 08:06 PM 25/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Sher, >I ordered some last year for Teeswater Record office (these were copies of >the originals) and I paid 10 pounds each so by today's rate that is &15.80 >CDN. They used to be around 9 pounds. > >Dawn > > > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >19:34:00

Hi Sher, I ordered some last year for Teeswater Record office (these were copies of the originals) and I paid 10 pounds each so by today's rate that is &15.80 CDN. They used to be around 9 pounds. Dawn

Sher are you referring to the now called Service Centres? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sher Leetooze" <sherleetooze@interlinks.net> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > Hello All: > I've found that if I go straight to the Municipal offices and ask to see > the big burial book of the cemetery I can do that. Of course, there are > the raised eyebrows, and "Why do you want to look at it?" questions, but > they relent and I get to see it - I usually have to make an appointment > because someone has to go down to the basement and bring it up to the > clerk's office - oh, what a hardship!! But I Usually get me way, > especially > if I bring my big book of research with me to prove I'm looking for > genealogical reasons! > Sher > > > At 07:14 PM 24/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >>Hello Brian, thank you for that information, my comments were based on >>experience so can only speak from that. Have been told on several >>occasions "under the Privacy Act we are not allowed to divulge any burial >>information" that included whether or not a person is actually buried >>there. One particular Cemetery did happen to leave Log on counter & >>excused himself to make a call, thought that was very considerate (done on >>purpose). My thoughts are that the Privacy Act has put a lot of >>Cemeteries on their toes & they are afraid of possible repercussions so >>err on the side of caution. On the reverse side of this some Cemeteries >>are charging exhorbitant dollars per name for look ups. >> >>However, if you don't ask you won't know. >> >>Ellen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: J. Brian Gilchrist >> To: ontario@rootsweb.com >> Cc: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:55 PM >> Subject: Access to Ontario Cemetery records >> >> >> Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery >> not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit >> (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. >> >> I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the >> Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on >> a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records >> and inheritence. >> >> Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact >> provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to >> provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so >> let's not make waves. >> >> But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about >> who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the >> cemetery knows the details. >> >> Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the >> years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried >> there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. >> Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery >> can not provide you with details that they do not have. >> >> I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a >> small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had >> records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to >> almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... >> >> Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario >> Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries >> Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term >> "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". >> >> While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many >> smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private >> and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are >> looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller >> cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - >> and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often >> interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might >> help them add to their own records. >> >> With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to >> consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical >> Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is >> ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in >> cemeteries ... >> >> If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one >> particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would >> like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure >> really is. >> >> Cheers! >> J. Brian Gilchrist >> Genealogist and Archivist >> Researching since 1966 ... >> Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway >> TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 >> gilchrists@idirect.com >> >> >> "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge >> a public register containing the following information: >> >> 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the >> location of the lot to which the rights pertain. >> >> 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights >> that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the >> rights were transferred. >> >> 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, >> the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on >> which the remains were interred. >> >> 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the >> crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. >> >> 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name >> of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the >> remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were >> reinterred. >> >> 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 >> (1). >> >> (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within >> five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner >> becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. >> 38 (2)." >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> >> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help >> >> >> > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get >> but >> > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info >> they give >> > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. >> > >> > Keep well >> > El >> >>*********** >>Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >>Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >>19:34:00 > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All: I've found that if I go straight to the Municipal offices and ask to see the big burial book of the cemetery I can do that. Of course, there are the raised eyebrows, and "Why do you want to look at it?" questions, but they relent and I get to see it - I usually have to make an appointment because someone has to go down to the basement and bring it up to the clerk's office - oh, what a hardship!! But I Usually get me way, especially if I bring my big book of research with me to prove I'm looking for genealogical reasons! Sher At 07:14 PM 24/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Brian, thank you for that information, my comments were based on >experience so can only speak from that. Have been told on several >occasions "under the Privacy Act we are not allowed to divulge any burial >information" that included whether or not a person is actually buried >there. One particular Cemetery did happen to leave Log on counter & >excused himself to make a call, thought that was very considerate (done on >purpose). My thoughts are that the Privacy Act has put a lot of >Cemeteries on their toes & they are afraid of possible repercussions so >err on the side of caution. On the reverse side of this some Cemeteries >are charging exhorbitant dollars per name for look ups. > >However, if you don't ask you won't know. > >Ellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Brian Gilchrist > To: ontario@rootsweb.com > Cc: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:55 PM > Subject: Access to Ontario Cemetery records > > > Hello Ellen and everyone .... Ellen's statement below, about a cemetery > not telling you who is buried in their property, causes me a little bit > (actually a lot!) of concern - as that is illegal. > > I speak with some authority on this as I am an Expert Witness in the > Courts of Ontario on such matters and have testified at various times on > a variety of inter-connected issues being cemeteries, genealogy, records > and inheritence. > > Please keep in mind, most cemeteries are very helpful and in fact > provide us with more details that what they have to (they DO NOT have to > provide place of birth, age, place of death and cause of death) and so > let's not make waves. > > But .... under no circumstances can you be refused information about > who is buried in a cemetery and the date they were buried - IF the > cemetery knows the details. > > Further please keep in mind that record keeping has evolved over the > years and so MOST cemeteries will NOT be able to tell you who was buried > there in the 1800's or even the first half of the 20th century. > Enforcement of record keeping is very recent, and therefore a cemetery > can not provide you with details that they do not have. > > I was recently commissioned to reconstitute a burial register for a > small Church cemetery that had their records stolen. The Secretary had > records of only about 900 burials, and I have brought the total up to > almost 2100 and that is still not complete ... > > Below I have copied the section dealing with records from Ontario > Regulation 130 / 92, Section 38 which applies to the Ontario "Cemeteries > Act (revised)" - Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1990, Chapter 4. The term > "owner" translates easily into "The cemetery". > > While these are the Regulations for the Legislation I know that many > smaller Ontario cemeteries will NOT be in compliance - be they private > and or Municipal. They simply may not have the information we are > looking for ... so, please be patient and understanding as many smaller > cemeteries are run by Boards composed of Volunteers - not paid staff - > and to be sure most try to be as helpful as possible. MAny are often > interested in knowing the results of our search for burials, as it might > help them add to their own records. > > With regard to cemetery transcriptions and records please remember to > consult with (and join!) the local branch of The Ontario Genealogical > Society where your research interests and or the cemetery of interest is > ... you will be in excellent company of others who enjoy spending time in > cemeteries ... > > If you have any comments or concerns - or have an issue with one > particular cemetery - please contact me privately, off-list as I would > like to have a handle on how widespread this issue of non-disclosure really is. > > Cheers! > J. Brian Gilchrist > Genealogist and Archivist > Researching since 1966 ... > Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway > TORONTO, ON M9A 5E2 > gilchrists@idirect.com > > > "38. (1) The owner shall make available for inspection without charge > a public register containing the following information: > > 1. The name and address of each interment rights holder and the > location of the lot to which the rights pertain. > > 2. The name and address of each original purchaser of interment rights > that have been transferred to another person and the date on which the > rights were transferred. > > 3. The name of each person whose remains are interred in the cemetery, > the location of the lot in which the remains are interred and the date on > which the remains were interred. > > 4. The name of each person whose remains were cremated in the > crematorium, if any, and the date on which the remains were cremated. > > 5. The particulars of each disinterment of remains, including the name > of the person who requested the disinterment, the date on which the > remains were disinterred and the location in which the remains were reinterred. > > 6. The particulars required under section 22. O. Reg. 130/92, s. 38 (1). > > (2) The information shall be set out in the public register within > five days after the applicable event takes place or after the owner > becomes aware of the information, as the case may be. O. Reg. 130/92, s. > 38 (2)." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] McDowell Help > > > > Hi Stella, transcription comes from Stone, burial is difficult to get > but > > where I can I do. Some Cemeteries have become very strict on info > they give > > out, some will not even tell you if person buried there. > > > > Keep well > > El > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >19:34:00

Hi Dawn and Sherry: Certs from any county records office in UK are only £7 - the £ is about 1.60 Canadian right now - not expensive if you only need one or two. Sher At 02:44 PM 24/02/2012 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Sherry, >What type of records are you looking for- vitals or census or what? > >Sometimes if I go directly to the UK Ancestry (http://ancestry.co.uk) I have >better luck with most things, but for vitals certs you do have to pay >usually and the sites are usually the Record Offices for that county. The >most I have paid is about 15/16 dollars, but I guess it depends on the site >or record office. > >Dawn > > > > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4230 - Release Date: 02/24/12 >19:34:00

Hi Marsha - I have had wonderful cooperation from some Cemeteries - they went out of their way - to be helpful - and even called long distance - to see if there was anything else they could do. In Ontario - we could not find a death Registration - were even told that perhaps the person was still living - We knew the date and place of death -Just wanted the reg for our 100 year family reunion - I didn't know the name of the cemetery or the funeral home - but took a chance - looking through out of town telephone books [no computer at that time]. Was contacted by a funeral home who had taken over from the original - They also contacted the cemetery. A big surprise when a very nice letter - complete with photographs of the burial site and surrounding area - a plus - they had placed flowers on the grave. * with the info /photo's I was also able to obtain the Registration of death [another ] $26 at that time They also found another death & burial of a family member - and included photo's etc Was surprised to see that the casket - came all the way from British Columbia. 2 other cemeteries / and Funeral homes - were equally as kind - one in Alberta - one in BC - one not a major city. Other cemeteries now owned by the larger groups - may be more cautious . concerned about Privacy etc. After my mother passed away - I was very eager to help others - with their genealogy research - barriers were sometimes erected - at some cemeteries making some requests almost impossible - At 02:19 PM 25/02/2012, you wrote: >I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery >supervisor for a county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where >a significant portion of one of my families was buried, some without >headstones. She was fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an >extraction from the county records - I had a list of all cemeteries >with family members in them; I had plot sizes and dates, and she >even pulled me all birth records she had that might be related. >Believe me, I made a donation to that county for cemetery >maintenance and refurbishment. > >Marcia Kennedy in Guelph > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess I've been fortunate. I emailed the county cemetery supervisor for a county cemetery where I knew (and or guessed) where a significant portion of one of my families was buried, some without headstones. She was fabulous! Within 2 weeks she sent me an extraction from the county records - I had a list of all cemeteries with family members in them; I had plot sizes and dates, and she even pulled me all birth records she had that might be related. Believe me, I made a donation to that county for cemetery maintenance and refurbishment. Marcia Kennedy in Guelph

thanks to all for the huge learning curve on UK research. Sherry Port Perry, ON

With respect to Mike's comments let me say that many cemeteries (and their staff) are not into servicing genealogy enquiries. To be perfectly honest if it is an active cemetery their priority is to service the urgent "at need" funerals. So yes, it seems that a very few cemeteries may be using the "privacy" concerns when in fact FIPPA allows for access. Many people might be citing it in ignorance, simply thinking :Oh, that would be an invasion of privacy" and so "we" / "I" don;t want to get in trouble so I will not allow it ... " However ... the Freedom of Information & Protection of Personal Privacy Act, R.S. O. 1990, Chapter F.3 - Part II Freedom of Information, Access to Information - EXEMPTIONS Personal privacy 21. (1) A head shall refuse to disclose personal information to any person other than the individual to whom the information relates except, (d) under an Act of Ontario or Canada that expressly authorizes the disclosure; As I have stated in my previous message the Ontario Cemeteries Act (Revised) expressly authorizies the keeping of a public register. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike More" <mikemore@rogers.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > Thanks, Brian. I suspect that a few cemetery staff may be using "privacy" > as > an excuse to chase away us pesky genealogists. My only experience with > staff > was both extremes. I visited one cemetery who were more than helpful, > bring > out the ledgers and drawing me a map; a couple of hours later and a few > miles down the road, I was just in the way while he tried to work around > the > cemetery. That was a few years ago, so both those3 fellow may in fact be > inhabiting their respective cemeteries now :-) > > Mike More > mikemore@rogers.com

Hello Stella ... My comments apply to Ontario only .... sorry .... Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stella Stanger" <sstanger@sfu.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Access to Ontario Cemetery records > Hi Brian, Does your information apply to all Provinces > > Some Cemeteries have not been transcribed - or photographed - > Years ago - there seemed to be much interest in doing this - but has > not followed through - not that there were no volunteers..