Further thoughts to to what Glen said, a) if the date of birth of December 11, 1849 for the (seemingly) yougest child - Martha (as recorded on her death Registration in 1926) can be validated, then that gives a window of death for Stephen between March 1849 (pissibly month of conception) and December 1850. b) Since Stephen left "minor" children, the should be a Guardianship allpication in the Surrgate / Probate Court records - which application shoul give the exact date of death .... c) If there was any property, you might want to check to wee what type of land transfers exist in the Land Registry Office records ... Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist.

Yes, I'm OK with the Census dates, I just thought if I could determine when the information for the Directory (not Census) was collected, I might get a more accurate death date estimation. I appears he died between the two 'events' - Directory and Census. Thanks for the responses! Natalie

Census dates are also listed at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.002-e.html as well as the column headings at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.010-e.html You were aware that the 1851 census was conducted on January 12, 1852 and that the questions asked was "Age at Next Birthday" Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sher Leetooze Sent: March 23, 2012 10:51 PM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Historical Directories - SELLERS family Pickering County Nat: I think the dates of the census' are all listed on the OGSPI site - put OGSPI in a search engine and you'll get it. Sher At 09:43 PM 23/03/2012 -0400, you wrote: >I'm researching Stephen Sellers b. England, living in Pickering Twp., up >until the 1852 Census which shows his wife, Sarah (nee Morley) Sellers as >widowed. > >I was thinking if I could figure out how far in advance names where >collected for the Historical Directory, it might give me a better handle on >his death date. According to the Census, his last chld was born in 1848. > >Natalie >

Does anyone know anything about either the Beiber ancestors of Justin - his great grandfather Bieber suposedly came to Canada ... or what about his mother's Mallett'e side. His grandfather Bruce Dale is a step-grandfather .... what was his grandmother Diane's (Malette / Dale) maiden name and anything about her ancestors .... I am giving a lecture to some high school kids and want to include a few details that do not seem to be available on any of his fan sites .... Thanks! Respond to me directly if you wish .... gilchrists@idirect.com Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist

Nat: I think the dates of the census' are all listed on the OGSPI site - put OGSPI in a search engine and you'll get it. Sher At 09:43 PM 23/03/2012 -0400, you wrote: >I'm researching Stephen Sellers b. England, living in Pickering Twp., up >until the 1852 Census which shows his wife, Sarah (nee Morley) Sellers as >widowed. > >I was thinking if I could figure out how far in advance names where >collected for the Historical Directory, it might give me a better handle on >his death date. According to the Census, his last chld was born in 1848. > >Natalie > >On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM, J. Brian Gilchrist ><gilchrists@idirect.com>wrote: > > > Who is it you are looking for .... ???? > > > > > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4287 - Release Date: 03/22/12 >19:55:00

I'm researching Stephen Sellers b. England, living in Pickering Twp., up until the 1852 Census which shows his wife, Sarah (nee Morley) Sellers as widowed. I was thinking if I could figure out how far in advance names where collected for the Historical Directory, it might give me a better handle on his death date. According to the Census, his last chld was born in 1848. Natalie On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM, J. Brian Gilchrist <gilchrists@idirect.com>wrote: > Who is it you are looking for .... ???? > >

Who is it you are looking for .... ???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Skuce" <nskuce1@gmail.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: [ONTARIO] Historical Directories Would anyone know approximately, how far in advance the various Historical Directories were prepared in advance? I'm trying to narrow down a death date. The possible markers I have are: the birth of his last child in 1848, the 1851-2 Census listing his wife as widowed and where his name appears in Roswell’s Toronto City and County of York Directory, 1850-1851. I think I might be safe with 1850-1852, but if the Directory is prepared more then two years in advance, I'd be wrong. Natalie *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What Cemeteries have you asked ? Try shende@mountpleasantgroup.com E-mail Address(es): shende@mountpleasantgroup.com for the Mount Pleasant Cemetery in down town Toronto Bill Stratton Cole harbour NS Formerly 1 block north of Young & Bloor in the 40's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Skuce" <nskuce1@gmail.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: [ONTARIO] Historical Directories Would anyone know approximately, how far in advance the various Historical Directories were prepared in advance? I'm trying to narrow down a death date. The possible markers I have are: the birth of his last child in 1848, the 1851-2 Census listing his wife as widowed and where his name appears in Roswell’s Toronto City and County of York Directory, 1850-1851. I think I might be safe with 1850-1852, but if the Directory is prepared more then two years in advance, I'd be wrong. Natalie *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone know approximately, how far in advance the various Historical Directories were prepared in advance? I'm trying to narrow down a death date. The possible markers I have are: the birth of his last child in 1848, the 1851-2 Census listing his wife as widowed and where his name appears in Roswell’s Toronto City and County of York Directory, 1850-1851. I think I might be safe with 1850-1852, but if the Directory is prepared more then two years in advance, I'd be wrong. Natalie

Hi, You don't mention names - Surnames in Capital Letters on the Subject Line - catch attention - may make your research faster - easier - There may be persons researching the same family or may be able to offer the information from sources they have at hand. Have you searched Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid? http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ Cheers, Stella At 08:59 AM 22/03/2012, you wrote: >Would anyone know approximately, how far in advance the various Historical >Directories were prepared in advance? I'm trying to narrow down a death >date. > >The possible markers I have are: the birth of his last child in 1848, the >1851-2 Census listing his wife as widowed and where his name appears in >Roswell's Toronto City and County of York Directory, 1850-1851. > >I think I might be safe with 1850-1852, but if the Directory is prepared >more then two years in advance, I'd be wrong. > >Natalie > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, In the more current Directories - early 1900's - the information was taken for the directory the year before it was published. This would keep them as current as possible. Cheers, Stella At 08:59 AM 22/03/2012, you wrote: >Would anyone know approximately, how far in advance the various Historical >Directories were prepared in advance? I'm trying to narrow down a death >date. > >The possible markers I have are: the birth of his last child in 1848, the >1851-2 Census listing his wife as widowed and where his name appears in >Roswell's Toronto City and County of York Directory, 1850-1851. > >I think I might be safe with 1850-1852, but if the Directory is prepared >more then two years in advance, I'd be wrong. > >Natalie > >*********** >Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to those who responded to my request on the MALCOLMs. Rita Chernoff in Saskatchewan

Wanted Please: Birth, Marriage and Death Certificate copies of Issac Chester from Northumberland, England and Helen Campbell Cowan born Apr. 28, 1823, in Dalrymple, Scotland. Would like to know Helen or (Ellen) Cowan's parent's names. Possibly Helen's mother was a Campbell, from Dalrymple, Scotland? Issac Chester was son of (Isaac Chester born in Northumberland, England about 1785, and Elizabeth Whitfield whom he married in 1808 and came to Canada via New York in 1819 and settled in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada). Thank you for any help. Catt

Hi Doreen Thank you for these Wm. Stinsons. I'll look them up. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "D O'" <devaney2004@hotmail.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] David & Catherine Stinson > > Stinson William J. b. U.C., Rleigion U. Pres., age 11 - see > www.automatedgenealogy.com for 1901 Canada Census: > > York West - Toronto City - Ward 6, G-4 page 8 > > Stinson, John > York West - Toronto City - ward No. 5 C-42 Page 3 > > > Cheers! > Doreen > > * > > > >> From: doncarol@bell.net >> To: ONTARIO@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:39:18 -0400 >> Subject: [ONTARIO] David & Catherine Stinson >> >> Hello Listers >> >> I am searching for a Stinson family who were in the 1861 Census for >> Cavan Twp. Catherine died and David married Martha Morton. >> I am interested in finding out if anyone is related to or knows >> anything about the David and Catherine Stinson family. The family >> were the following: >> 1861 Census Cavan Twp., Durham Co., Ontario Archives, Toronto - >> Stinson David farmer, b. Ire., Religion United Pres., age 33, >> Stinson Catherine b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 25 >> Stinson William J. b. U.C., Rleigion U. Pres., age 11 >> Stinson David b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 7 >> Stinson John b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 5 >> Stinson Eliza b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 1 >> Stinson (female) age 1 (possibly Eliza's twin sister) Obtained from >> the 1861 Census. >> >> David & Catherine had a son David A. Stinson who with help I have >> traced. Will be glad to exchange information. >> >> Don >> >> *********** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ >> >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Stinson William J. b. U.C., Rleigion U. Pres., age 11 - see www.automatedgenealogy.com for 1901 Canada Census: York West - Toronto City - Ward 6, G-4 page 8 Stinson, John York West - Toronto City - ward No. 5 C-42 Page 3 Cheers! Doreen * > From: doncarol@bell.net > To: ONTARIO@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:39:18 -0400 > Subject: [ONTARIO] David & Catherine Stinson > > Hello Listers > > I am searching for a Stinson family who were in the 1861 Census for Cavan Twp. Catherine died and David married Martha Morton. > I am interested in finding out if anyone is related to or knows anything about the David and Catherine Stinson family. The family were the following: > 1861 Census Cavan Twp., Durham Co., Ontario Archives, Toronto - > Stinson David farmer, b. Ire., Religion United Pres., age 33, > Stinson Catherine b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 25 > Stinson William J. b. U.C., Rleigion U. Pres., age 11 > Stinson David b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 7 > Stinson John b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 5 > Stinson Eliza b. U.C., Religion U. Pres., age 1 > Stinson (female) age 1 (possibly Eliza's twin sister) Obtained from the 1861 Census. > > David & Catherine had a son David A. Stinson who with help I have traced. Will be glad to exchange information. > > Don > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Winnifred (Winnie) Ruth Buckley Spence and Norman William Malcolm were the parents of Norma. Esther Meerschaut, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: J/W Hobbs Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:18 AM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries Hi Rita, We also have Norma and Merrill VanCamp in our Werry Book with their family. Merrill Wright VanCamp's parents were Percy and Elva (Wright) VanCamp. The Wright family connects to our Werry family. If you need any of this information, let us know. Norman and Jessie (Gibbons) Malcolm are not in our Book. Can you tell us if they are related to Norma (Malcolm) VanCamp? Wanda and Jim Winnipeg, MB ============================= On 3/15/2012 12:53 PM, Esther Meerschaut wrote: > Cartwright Union Cemetery, Cartwright T > > # 22 in the transcripts > > Norman Malcolm 1894 - 1978 husband of Jessie Gibbons 1893 - 1967 > > Norma and Merrill both died after the transcripts were done in 1987. > > How are you related to these people? > They are on my Proutt tree. > Merrill is also on my Smith tree. > > Would you be interested in sharing information as I'm familiar with these > people and with Blackstock? > I have a lot of information on this section of the two trees. > Esther Meerschaut > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Chernoff > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:57 AM > To: ontario@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries > > I am looking for obituaries for the following people who resided in > Blackstock, ON are buried in the Cartwright Union Cemetery. > > Norman William MALCOLM - died 8 December 1978 > > Norma Winnifred Malcolm VAN CAMP - died 24 June 1989 (nee MALCOLM) > > Merrill Wright VAN CAMP - died 30 January 2003 > > I do not know what newspapers are in the area and I doubt that their > online archives would go back that far. Is there a library in the area > that would have back issues of newspapers and do they do long distance > look-ups? Or is there someone living in the area could could do look > ups for me? > > Thank you. > > Rita Chernoff > in Saskatchewan > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy& Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy& Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rita, We also have Norma and Merrill VanCamp in our Werry Book with their family. Merrill Wright VanCamp's parents were Percy and Elva (Wright) VanCamp. The Wright family connects to our Werry family. If you need any of this information, let us know. Norman and Jessie (Gibbons) Malcolm are not in our Book. Can you tell us if they are related to Norma (Malcolm) VanCamp? Wanda and Jim Winnipeg, MB ============================= On 3/15/2012 12:53 PM, Esther Meerschaut wrote: > Cartwright Union Cemetery, Cartwright T > > # 22 in the transcripts > > Norman Malcolm 1894 - 1978 husband of Jessie Gibbons 1893 - 1967 > > Norma and Merrill both died after the transcripts were done in 1987. > > How are you related to these people? > They are on my Proutt tree. > Merrill is also on my Smith tree. > > Would you be interested in sharing information as I'm familiar with these > people and with Blackstock? > I have a lot of information on this section of the two trees. > Esther Meerschaut > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Chernoff > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:57 AM > To: ontario@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries > > I am looking for obituaries for the following people who resided in > Blackstock, ON are buried in the Cartwright Union Cemetery. > > Norman William MALCOLM - died 8 December 1978 > > Norma Winnifred Malcolm VAN CAMP - died 24 June 1989 (nee MALCOLM) > > Merrill Wright VAN CAMP - died 30 January 2003 > > I do not know what newspapers are in the area and I doubt that their > online archives would go back that far. Is there a library in the area > that would have back issues of newspapers and do they do long distance > look-ups? Or is there someone living in the area could could do look > ups for me? > > Thank you. > > Rita Chernoff > in Saskatchewan > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy& Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy& Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cartwright Union Cemetery, Cartwright T # 22 in the transcripts Norman Malcolm 1894 - 1978 husband of Jessie Gibbons 1893 - 1967 Norma and Merrill both died after the transcripts were done in 1987. How are you related to these people? They are on my Proutt tree. Merrill is also on my Smith tree. Would you be interested in sharing information as I'm familiar with these people and with Blackstock? I have a lot of information on this section of the two trees. Esther Meerschaut -----Original Message----- From: Rita Chernoff Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:57 AM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries I am looking for obituaries for the following people who resided in Blackstock, ON are buried in the Cartwright Union Cemetery. Norman William MALCOLM - died 8 December 1978 Norma Winnifred Malcolm VAN CAMP - died 24 June 1989 (nee MALCOLM) Merrill Wright VAN CAMP - died 30 January 2003 I do not know what newspapers are in the area and I doubt that their online archives would go back that far. Is there a library in the area that would have back issues of newspapers and do they do long distance look-ups? Or is there someone living in the area could could do look ups for me? Thank you. Rita Chernoff in Saskatchewan *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you Google "Merrill Wright Van Camp" You will get his obit and the name of the funeral home that looked after his burial and possibly other family members. Happy Hunting -----Original Message----- From: Rita Chernoff Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:57 AM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries I am looking for obituaries for the following people who resided in Blackstock, ON are buried in the Cartwright Union Cemetery. Norman William MALCOLM - died 8 December 1978 Norma Winnifred Malcolm VAN CAMP - died 24 June 1989 (nee MALCOLM) Merrill Wright VAN CAMP - died 30 January 2003 I do not know what newspapers are in the area and I doubt that their online archives would go back that far. Is there a library in the area that would have back issues of newspapers and do they do long distance look-ups? Or is there someone living in the area could could do look ups for me? Thank you. Rita Chernoff in Saskatchewan *********** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Rita. Am sorry, was thinking cemetery transcriptions, will not be able to help you with obituaries. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Chernoff" <ritachernoff@xplornet.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: [ONTARIO] MALCOLM - looking for obituaries >I am looking for obituaries for the following people who resided in > Blackstock, ON are buried in the Cartwright Union Cemetery. > > Norman William MALCOLM - died 8 December 1978 > > Norma Winnifred Malcolm VAN CAMP - died 24 June 1989 (nee MALCOLM) > > Merrill Wright VAN CAMP - died 30 January 2003 > > I do not know what newspapers are in the area and I doubt that their > online archives would go back that far. Is there a library in the area > that would have back issues of newspapers and do they do long distance > look-ups? Or is there someone living in the area could could do look > ups for me? > > Thank you. > > Rita Chernoff > in Saskatchewan > > *********** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://www.geneabloggers.com/ten-people-genealogists-follow-twitter/ > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >