Bruce here is the Ancestry transcription: Gail Faibish, UE Name: Harry Payne Birth Place: England Age: 21 Father Name: Mother Name: Charlotte Payne Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Spouse Name: Sarah Ellen O'Grady Spouse's Age: 18 Spouse Birth Place: On Spouse Father Name: Patrick O'Grady Spouse Mother Name : Mary O'Grady Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1887 Marriage Place: Ontario Marriage County: Ontario Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_61 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Rossiter" <rossiterracing@sympatico.ca> To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [ONTARIO] Payne/O'Grady Marriage lookup > Hi, > > Could someone with an ancestry subscription please look up marriage > information between Harry PAYNE (b.1868) and Sarah Ellen O' GRADY (born > 1869). It should be prior to 1888 and possibly in the Toronto area. > > Thank you very much, > Bruce Rossiter > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Could someone with an ancestry subscription please look up marriage information between Harry PAYNE (b.1868) and Sarah Ellen O' GRADY (born 1869). It should be prior to 1888 and possibly in the Toronto area. Thank you very much, Bruce Rossiter

As it was late when I finished my posting earlier this morning, our friend Pat Jeffs in England has correctly pointed out - and I will confirm - that none of my statements should be considered to be current. The "Law Reform" movement which began in earnest in the 1960's in many countries, states, and provinces around the world, is trying to rectify many inequalities, inconsistencies and anomalies of the past. Since 1970 the age of majority / "full age" in England has been 18 for both sexes. Since Ontario is now in election mode you might want to know that the age of majority in this Province currently is .... google it! I am going to have a nice hot cuppa tea ... Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist

Hello everyone: There are discussions on this topic going on in a couple of rooms at the moment and it seems that there is confusion over two totally distinct terms: "age of consent" is not the same as "age of majority" (often known as "full age"). These terms are also affected by different types of laws: Canon Law, Common Law, Civil Law and Criminal Law (noting that the last three are now very much connected and often thought of in the public mindset as one, though still distinct). Some of my comments below also do not necessarily apply to the United States of America following the War for Independence - although the section of Wills does. As usual, when I am finished there still will be, but hopefully more informed, confusion (LOL!). The following are generalizations, and are mentioned just to show differences and some situations. When you reached the "age of majority" this would be when the person become of "full age" to own or lease land, sign contracts, etc. Under English Common Law, the age of consent to marry was 14 for males and 12 for females - but this required permission from an individual of authority (parental consent is usually thought of as being required but that is not the case, for if it was withheld or unavailable - there were other options). Under English Civil Law, the age of majority is usually considered to be 21 for males, and 18 for females. Exception: unless the person was married previous to those ages. Example, in England, after 1754, if either the bride and or groom had been married as teenagers (with consent? remembering they could also have eloped to a big city and lied about ages and even their names to hide the event) and was soon widowed (by child birth, a farming / labour accident, disease, military action - or whatever) the surviving partner could be listed as "full age" (or "widowed") when they marry again. Yet another aspect which is a subject unto itself, is that in England the age of consent for (heterosexual) sex was raised to 13 (from 12!) in 1875, and to 16 in 1885. This was due to the Victorian changes in the Criminal laws regarding operating a brothel, seduction, abduction and the changing rape and carnal knowledge laws, etc. As to inheritances left in a Will, people were absolutely free to make their own "rules" regarding who should and could inherit, one major example being the difference between "fee entail" (aka "fee tail") and "fee simple". Fee tail can also be further subdivided into "fee tail male" and "fee tail female". This is another topic, and further whether any stipulation made in a Will or Codicil was legal or not, that too is also another topic. However, as Brenda correctly notes below the Rules of Court at the time and place where the Will was being settled had to be followed. An example of an estate situation could be where single uncle Angus Macdonald "entailed" his estate to his namesake nephew Angus Sheepway (son of his sister) so long as Sheepway changes his name to "Macdonald" when he "comes of full age", etc. It was, and is not, illegal to use any name so long as it not for fraudulent purposes, and gaining an inheritance by changing one's name was not only legal, it happened more than we think. It is difficult to prove until one becomes involved in "whole family" genealogy and a general study of all the families of the area where your ancestors lived. Another aspect of the age of "consent" and the "age of majority" can also be applied to being "indentured" and or "apprenticed" - again this is another subject. For example, Benjamin Franklin was apprenticed (with the consent of his father) to Ben's brother - James Franklin - at the age of 12. So try to remember what my friend, Donald J. Steel, the eminent English genealogist and family historian and myself have been teaching for years - the term "Environmental Genealogy" - place your ancestor in the context of the location, the time period and the society in which they lived in - not ours. It is often difficult of younger people of today to comprehend but may I remind everyone that it has been less than 80 years since "The Famous Five" did their thing in Canada in 1929 to help make women "people". Try and read about "The Peoples Case" of 1929. So in summary - there are indeed differences to the terminology "age of consent", "age of majority" and "full age" in different places, in different times, for different reasons. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist, Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway Etobicoke, ON M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com 1966 - 2007: 41 years of researching and educating genealogists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Dougall Merriman, CG, CGL" <merri.geneal@sympatico.ca> To: <upper-canada@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [UPPER-CANADA] Coming Of Age > Yes, the age of consent, a.k.a. the age of majority, is normally a legal > issue. The power to legislate it gradually devolved to states (U.S.) and > provinces (Canada) as far as I am aware. In a will, parents had no > authority > to change the current law or make their own rules. However, they could > dictate the age at which a child would receive his or her personal > inheritance. > > Brenda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clyde Downing" <clyde1927@msn.com> > > >> In the USA the age of consent was 18 for women & 21 for men. This was >> from >> the English laws which we retained after the Revolution. I thought that >> the laws in Canada would also follow the English laws as they were still >> a >> Colony of England until recently.Clyde > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Betty Hughson<mailto:tippytoe@goeaston.net> >> >> I do not know about Canada, but in the US age of consent was sometimes >> stated in a parent's will. >> Age of consent often varied with the wishes of the person making the >> will. >> Betty > > > *********** > see Upper Canada Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > UPPER-CANADA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Greetings All. In the last issue of my column, 'Gordon Watts Reports', I included an article relating to the reduction of manned service hours in Library and Archives Canada in Ottawa. The hours of 'manned' service were being reduced without there having been any known public consultation. It seems that someone in LAC listened to the concerns expressed by myself and others. Library and Archives Canada has extended an invitation to its clients to an informal discussion where they will be able to ask questions and obtain explanations on the latest changes related to client services. The session will be on September 19th from 2:30 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. in room "A" in 395 Wellington Street, Ottawa. Everyone is welcome to attend. I would urge anyone living in the Ottawa area that has concerns regarding the cutback in service hours at LAC to attend this meeting if possible. I would appreciate someone attending advising me as to what takes place at the meeting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, British Columbia Read my column, 'Gordon Watts Reports' at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/authors/authgw.htm

If anyone is interested in the details re the following notices, please contact me off list. B - Harvey (Elora) M - Farquhar-Young D - Faulkner (Palmerston) D - Seli (Belleville) D - Archibald (Parker) D - Gibbs (Elora) D - Smith (Peel) D - Johnston (Palmerston)

I just read that in the USA there are 27,250 people with the first name of "Otto". It is a Swedish (German, Teutonic) male first name. There are no other names that mean Otto although I read that in "later German" it is also spelled "Odo". Doreen ======= >From: Dmininch@aol.com >Reply-To: ontario@rootsweb.com >To: ontario@rootsweb.com >CC: diannem18@hotmail.com >Subject: [ONTARIO] Otto >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:15 EDT > >Hello, >One of my grandmothers cousins, actually two. Their first name was Otto. I >haven't found his surname yet. But it might be ASH. As the family is from >London, England. > What I would like to know is what other names, could also mean Otto? >Thanks, >Dianne > > > > > > >*********** >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Enter to win a night a VIP night out at TIFF http://redcarpet.sympatico.msn.ca/

If you are researching in York Region (formerly York County) Ontario you may want to visit the York Region Branch OGS website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~onyrbogs/index.htm Recently they have added: (1) MARKHAM ECONOMIST newspaper index covering July 1856 to December 1857 This is a regular column in the branch's newsletter and now published to October 1858. (2) INDEX to YORK REGION ANCESTORS newsletter - 1998 to 2006. Name, Subject, Geographic locations (3) SAMPLE pages of YORK REGION ANCESTORS which include: - Transcripts of York Region Estate Files - MS638, Reel 105 - "W" surnames - Part II (These are a regular column in the branch newsletter) - Notes and Findings on the FENTON family of York County - Anna Burkholder "Death Book" - Book II - 1906 & 1907 entries (4) Clergy List, 1858-1869 York County, Canada West They can all be found on the "WHAT'S NEW" section of the Home Page (right side). Don't forget to scroll through the Branch member's surname interests too! Steve Marshall

Searching for the marriage details of the following couple: Michael Murphy m. Nancy Stewart according to Vol. 8 of The Ontario Register they married 23 Nov 1847 in Hastings County. Location (town/city) and parents needed. TIA, Natalie Sabourin White Rock, BC

I have been looking for a very long time for my Great Grandfather John Smith. I found him last night and the verification came from Border Crossing with my Gr Grannie listing her husband as John A SMith. I had the information he was John Wm. Now that this is cleared up I have a question about the elusive Smith's of Ontario John A Smith lists his dad a Jesse Smith. From what I can find Jesse Smith died in 1926, (b abt 1850, Ontario) Windham. and buried at Vanessa (spelling) informant Avril Byers, son in law lists Jesse's dad's name as David SMith. I already have a Bates-Smith data base for my mom's side. They are the Ancaster Smiths or desendents of Jacob Schmidt Sr. Does the above Smith line ring familiar with anyone? Could it connect to the Ancaster Smith's or possible Norfold Smith's? Any help or leads are greatly appreciated. Cheryle Brazier- McLaren (cheryle@shaw.ca) Family Historian BATES-BRAZIER-HAIGHT-MILES-MOTT-MUNDIGEL-PUTTICK-SEARLS-STOVER-SWARTOUT-TOMPLKINS-WILLISON-WONCH SMITH of Wentworh SMITH OF South Dumfries, Brant Co McLarren of Southampton, Bruce Co http://www.members.shaw.ca/cheryle Give the gift of life, please visit http://www.members.shaw.ca/brucemclaren/

Hello, One of my grandmothers cousins, actually two. Their first name was Otto. I haven't found his surname yet. But it might be ASH. As the family is from London, England. What I would like to know is what other names, could also mean Otto? Thanks, Dianne

Hello Janet There is an obit for Dorothy's husband George in the Chicago Tribune from 1968. I'll send you a copy. Joanna > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:59:41 -0400 > From: "Janet Jones" <janet-jones@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [ONTARIO] ASHTON, BULL, NELSON, ZOHN Genealogy > To: <ONTARIO@rootsweb.com> > Cc: IL-COOK-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <018901c7f438$f2d85c00$0a02a8c0@coryjs26m9pqg7> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Richard and Gertrude had a daughter, Dorothy who married a ZOHN and was > living in Chicago at the time of her father's death in 1959 <have her exact > address at the time of his death in my files>. She doesn't appear in the > 1911 census, so I have to guess that she was born sometime after 1911. >

Hello! Sharing my brick wall query as I hope someone finds any of these names familiar. My g-grams birth father was Richard Edwin ASHTON (b. 1882 in Warwickshire ENG, died 1959 in Toronto, have a fair bit of info including obit) His first wife Mary Ethel PROBYN (d. 1907 in Orangeville, have a fair bit of info) His second wife Gertrude NELSON (d/o William NELSON and Christina McLEAN; b. 1890, married 1907, died 1944 in Toronto, have a bit of info including obit) His third wife Emma BULL (have no information) Richard and Mary had 3 children in Ontario - my g-grams, Ruth "Viola" ASHTON (1905-1974) who was adopted by Peter and Maggie (nee WHITE) BLAIR; her sister Mary Irena Alice ASHTON was adopted but no information is known other than she was born 28-Apr-1901; and her brother Albert Walker Edwin "Bert" ASHTON (b. 25-Jul-1903) was adopted into the family of John and Martha (nee MARSHALL) HAMMOND but nothing further is known Richard and Gertrude had a daughter, Dorothy who married a ZOHN and was living in Chicago at the time of her father's death in 1959 <have her exact address at the time of his death in my files>. She doesn't appear in the 1911 census, so I have to guess that she was born sometime after 1911. The only other piece of the puzzle is Gertrude had a sister living in Chicago at the time of her death, by the name of Mrs. Helen SAVABE (as typed exactly from Gertrude's obituary, possibly SAVAGE?). Most of these mysteries should be in the Toronto and greater surrounding area, possibly including the counties of Peel, Dufferin, Simcoe, York and Wellington as well as Chicago. They are linked to the FUNSTON/FUNSTIN line on my maternal side. Anyone with any link or finds any of these names familiar, please let me know. This is the branch of my family tree that seems to be encased in cement and I'd love to put a deep crack into it. With sincere thanks, Janet Jones http://www.ontarioobits.com "Where Every Little Obit Helps" (over 600,000 new and historic obit indexes online from all over Ontario)

Ellen, I do not know what site you were at but you might try these. You didn't mention what timeframe. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~apassageintime/images//lsmap1.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~apassageintime/images/lsmap2.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~apassageintime/images/upc.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~apassageintime/images/fcmap.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~apassageintime/images/dmap.jpg The middle URL shows 4 districts but might not be the one you're after. Regards, --- Bob === Robert Neil Chatham-Kent, ON rneil@sympatico.ca ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: ontario@rootsweb.com To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ONTARIO] Map of "Home District" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:58:58 -0400 Sometime ago came across a Site that showed the 4 Districts, thought had saved it to file but now can't find it. Does anyone know of this Site? Ellen *********** Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometime ago came across a Site that showed the 4 Districts, thought had saved it to file but now can't find it. Does anyone know of this Site? Ellen

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had the transcripts for Emmanuel United Cemetery in Bond Head or if one is available as yet. If anyone has it, can they do a look up please for and Elizabeth WILSON. Looking for dates if possible and any other info. This may not be mine but worth a try. Thanks Dawn

Well it is getting to be that time of year when strange things happen you never know I do see the halo very clear child not so clear but something is there Susan Toledo Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "wcook" <wcook@rogers.com> To: <CAN-ONT-SIMCOE@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ONTARIO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [ONTARIO] Ghost picture? > Hi List, > > Last week I was out photographing a cemetery on Fairgrounds Road just > southwest of Stayner called East Nottawasaga, when I got home and started > working on the photos I got this strange image of possibly a child and a > halo above its head. Now you've probably thinked I've finally gone bonkers > and am now ready for the funny farm, I went back today and checked out the > stone and it is as clean as a whistle. So you be the judge. What is it. > Check it out at the special page below. > > http://www.waynecook.com/ANGEL.html > > > Cheers > > Wayne Cook http://www.waynecook.com (A History Television Approved Site) > Host for the Simcoe County Genweb site at > http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Ontario, Canada > Host for the Parry Sound Muskoka Genweb site at > http://www.waynecook.com/parrysound.html > 1. Historic Plaques of Ontario 1,588 Plaques online http://www.waynecook.com > 2. The Canadian Query Boards at http://www.waynecook.com/bulletin.html > 3. Tombstone Territory (online gravemarkers in Simcoe County) > http://www.waynecook.com/Tombstone_Territory.html > 4. CHAT at http://www.waynecook.com/chat.html > > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone is ever in the Warsaw area. Would you take a picture of this Historic Plaque for me.... A bronze Plaque Location: At the Warsaw Public School, Warsaw, Peterborough County, Canada GEORGE ARUNDEL HILL 1796 - 1861 Born in County Limerick, Ireland, Commissioned Ensign 1815 in 27th Inniskilling Regement of Foot, during the Napoleonic War. With wife and 3 children sailed from Limerick in May 1831. Became a pioneer settler in Township Dummer. In 1841, appointed Warden of the Distric of Colborne by the government. Subsequently elected warden for four successive years." "1834 - Author of "A Guide for Emigrants from the British Shores to the Woods of Canada". He was an author of numerous tracts, poems and prose for the Coborg Star." "1851-61 Was clerk of the Townships of Dummer and Burleigh. For seven years was superintendent of schools in Summer." George is my Great Great Grandfather, Thanks in advance, Susan G, in far off Oregon, USA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

Hi Wayne, I expect that Doreen is right BUT if you do look carefully one can visualize a small face swaddled in pinkish covering. I couldn't picture a halo though Interesting though just shows how people see things in a different light. Marlene in Oakville ````````````````````` I suspect that there are reflective bits in the stone that caught the light as you took the picture. Doreen ```````````````````````` Hi List, Last week I was out photographing a cemetery on Fairgrounds Road just southwest of Stayner called East Nottawasaga, when I got home and started working on the photos I got this strange image of possibly a child and a halo above its head. Now you've probably think I've finally gone bonkers and am now ready for the funny farm, I went back today and checked out the stone and it is as clean as a whistle. So you be the judge. What is it. Check it out at the special page below. http://www.waynecook.com/ANGEL.html Cheers Wayne Cook http://www.waynecook.com ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/