The records would only be available to the adoptee, birth parents or birth parents siblings. Children of adoptees cannot access them. Neither can anyone else. There was also provision for adoptees or birth parents to disallow any disclosure of information or contact. At 12:58 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote: >I am surprised ! I naturally thought adoption records would >only be accessible to the person(s) in question. > >I didn't realize the intent was that anyone could apply & receive >such a record. > >Is this true? > > > > > >*********** >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: >9/17/2007 1:29 PM

I am surprised ! I naturally thought adoption records would only be accessible to the person(s) in question. I didn't realize the intent was that anyone could apply & receive such a record. Is this true?

On 22 Sep 2007 at 9:47, PAT GUNSON wrote: > Would anyone have access to the 1891 Canadian Census? > Or is it somewhere online? > > I found my gg grandfather (Mathew Wilson) in Missouri on the 1880 US Census. He married my gg grandmother (Eliza Jane Lynn) in Ontario in 1893. > > I'm trying to pinpoint when he came from the US to Canada. > You can see if anyone has that 1891 online (bits and pieces only, the entire census is not online) by going to http://allcensusrecords.com/ Choose CANADA then 1891. Look to see what parts are online and where, then use the links provided. If Matthew was born outside of Canada, the later Canadian census records should give you a year of immigration - just remember that it is an often mis-remembered year, so allow a year or two on either side. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

On 22 Sep 2007 at 10:39, PAT GUNSON wrote: > Would someone know how one would go about sending for WW2 military records? > Sure. See The Canadian Military Heritage Project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/ Choose HOW TO FIND YOUR MILITARY ANCESTOR (or WW2) and read how you go about getting those records, then use the link provided Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Searching for information on Mary Jane Massey born 1845 Quebec died 1881 St. Mary's, Perth County. Mary Jane was married first to a Mr. Kendell or Randall, and had 3 children - Rolly? b ca 1866, Mary b ca 1870 and Frederick b ca 1872. Census records indicate the children were born in USA (state unknown). I'm seeking the first name of Mary Jane's husband, the correct last name and where the children were born. (or info on the children after Mary Jane's death in 1881) Mary Jane then married second William Henry Adams born ca 1845 ontario died 1885 St Marys Perth County. They had one child, Charlotte Matilda Adams b1879. I cannot find William or Mary Jane's burials. I found their death records but not cemetery records. I have been to St Marys Museum in St Marys Ontario but no luck William Henry Adams was married first to Elizabeth (Lizzie) Rouch who died in St Marys in 1876. They had 4 children I know of, possibly more. William's death registation says he was an auctioneer living in St Marys Any help finding more on Mary Jane Massey and her first husband and children, or her burial location would be greatly appreciated Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Would someone know how one would go about sending for WW2 military records? Cheers Pat

Would anyone have access to the 1891 Canadian Census? Or is it somewhere online? I found my gg grandfather (Mathew Wilson) in Missouri on the 1880 US Census. He married my gg grandmother (Eliza Jane Lynn) in Ontario in 1893. I'm trying to pinpoint when he came from the US to Canada. I'd appreciate any help. Cheers Pat

HI I am looking for descendants of Jesse Dodge, son of Daniel and Elizabeth, who was born in Ontario, Canada in 1809. He lived in West Oxford county, West Zorra township. Jesse had two wives 1. Lucy BURDICK children: Daniel, Mary, Electa Saphrona and Jessie 2. Sarah THORNTON chidren: Thomas Matthias and Elizabeth Jane Any help appreciated Adrienne Adrienne Sherrin BC, Canada http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dasherrin

Fran: The law that was squashed only allowed the adoptee if over 18 and the birth parents to get their records. Even then it would have the adoptive parent's names stricken out. It did not permit "just anyone" to obtain a copy of the adoption order or birth registration. Not even birth siblings, grandparents, aunts & uncles or children of adoptees even if the adoptee was deceased. From a medical and genealogical point of view this is very sad. These adults have the right to learn about their kin and heritage. I sure would like to find my half brother born 6 August 1948 in Kitchener so I can tell him about his deceased first parents and other siblings. For me the law was too restrictive as it did not give me the chance to learn his adopted name. For you, now you won't have the right to see what is in your own papers. And your natural parents will not be able to find you either. Pray for an appeal before your parents pass on. I know many birth mothers that are heartbroken over this change of events. I hope a new law is passed that will extend the right to access these records to families of adoptees and bio parents. Everyone should have the right to know their family history and what became of their kin. Well it's election time. Hopefully the winning political party will fix up this mess. Del Templin ----- Original Message ----- From: Fran Seguin To: ontario@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:41 PM This is one who is glade that the Ontario Court stopped this opening of Adoption papers to anyone who wanted it. I am adopted and i don't just anyone opening my papers only me. I am the o9nly one with my biological close family have the right to see what is in those papers. Also the fact that at any age you could get the information. Fran Seguin Adoptee, Ottawa

Good Day Sorry I do not agree I have been looking for a brother that was given up for adoption in 1948 by the Children's Aid in Toronto We were a family of 4 children and have kept in touch with two of them one brother and one sister The Children's Aid told me that I had no brothers and sisters and I proceeded to tell them the telephones numbers and addresses and they still denied that I had another brother until I received my Father's Army and Airforce papers after he died proving that I wasn't crazy Last week after all this time I finally struck paydirt Some relations that I never knew that I had Now I have another family to tell my grandchildren about and my brother and sister also The sad part is that I am still missing my baby Brother who was adopted when he turned 18 living in Toronto It leaves a very big void in my heart wondering about him each day Thank you William Stratton CD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Seguin" <franseguin@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > Brian, This is one who is glade that the Ontario Court stopped this > opening > of Adoption papers to anyone who wanted it. I am adopted and i don't just > anyone openning my papers only me. I am the o9nly one with my biological > close family have the right to see what is in those papaers. Also the fact > that at any age you could get the information. The young say under 25 yrs > of > age are to young to understand the why's of giving a child up, they have > not > lived enough to understand that sometimes it is love that gives you the > strengh to give your beautiful baby up. When they are older they have > lived > and know that life is hard and a baby is not a doll as some young mothers > think. Sorry to come across so hard but I'm so glade and I was really > afraid > of what could have happenned as it did to a very close friend of mine, She > accidently found her papers in her fathers desk, and that just destroid > her > life she never came back after that. > Yours very truly, > Fran Seguin Adoptee, Ottawa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Gilchrist" <gilchrists@idirect.com> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com>; <ocapg@yahoogroups.com>; "Burkholder, Ruth" > <ruth.burk@sympatico.ca>; "Fawne Stratford-Devai" <fdevai@rogers.com>; > "Rick > Roberts" <rick@globalgenealogy.com>; "Audrey Gilchrist" > <alongtime@sympatico.ca>; <orrkid@canada.com>; > <subscriber.support@eogn.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:17 PM > Subject: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > > >> Good evening everyone: I have just heard on the CTV National News, and >> have now confirmed from other sources, that the recent legislation in >> Ontario which allowed disclosure of information to both birth parents and >> birth children (which only came into effect this past Monday September >> 17th) has today Wednesday September 19, 2007 - been struck down by an >> Ontario Superior Court Judge down as being in violation of privacy >> legislation under The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. >> >> Prominent Canadian Civil Rights Lawyer Clayton Ruby argued that privacy >> is >> an individual right and no government can decide what information can be >> released. >> >> While this is disappointing at first read, we should be aware and take >> heart that the way the decision is written could be a god-send to us all >> in the long run - for if the government is no longer able to "decide what >> can be released" one can also infer that the entire file must be made >> available. However, this is speculation on my part and may require new >> Regulations or even new Legislation to be passed. >> >> As this is Ontario legislation and the decision was from an Ontario >> Superior Court Judge, I am not sure if "Leave to Appeal" can be made to >> the Ontario Supreme Court, The Federal Court of Appeal or even The >> Supreme >> Court. >> >> Can any Ontario lawyers who read this and have an interest in the topic >> shed any light onto the next possible steps for gaining access to these >> vitally important records for so many people? >> >> It must be remembered that Canadian Privacy Laws are (in theory) >> counter-balanced by the Access to Information laws. >> >> As Society moves towards the use of DNA as "proof of being" for so many >> things, think of all the adopted citizens of this country who should also >> have a the same "rights" as those not involved in adoption - that being >> the "right to know". >> >> Respectfully submitted for your information. >> >> J. Brian Gilchrist, >> Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway >> Etobicoke, ON M9A 5E2 >> gilchrists@idirect.com >> 1966 - 2007: 41 years of research and educating genealogists >> >> >> *********** >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat and everyone else. I find thing very interesting. My neice and her husband want to adopt as they are not able to have children. I am wondering what their view would be about the birth parents. Heather in Orillia -----Original Message----- From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Roloff Sent: September 21, 2007 9:41 PM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! I am finding the diverse sides of this argument most interesting. I hope Lorine finds it so too and continues to let this string continue. Pat

Thanks Fran for putting it out on the table. My son is adopted and at eighteen he had the right to put his name on the list to contact his birth parents IF they had their names on the list. He didn't do it until he was 25 and heard immediately. He had contact and then it didn't work out. He found there is no bond just because you give birth. BUT IT IS HIS BUSINESS NOT ANYONE ELSE'S. Also when we adopted him his name turned to a number and that is all that went through court to change his name to ours. We were also assured we were the ones that had the right to decide when to tell him. I don't agree with those papers ever becoming open to the public. I'm sorry if your great grandfather was adopted, your right to a family tree doesn't supercede someone's life. Peggy Large UE "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead" thanks to Jimmy Buffett!

I was with my birth family for the first year, then given up. I am now almost 56, at 38 I located my birth family. I had a copy of the adoption record. Also in Ohio you can get the records, but you have to send documentation to prove who you are. So it has to be the adoptee to get the record. That is the way it should be. I have had a very successful reunion with my birth family. I was raised an only child and found that I had six siblings. To be able to have a sister in my life changed me. Even if it doesn't work out, at least some of your questions have been answered. Not all reunions are bad. I went to search because I needed medical info. As we get older we start to experience medical problems. IF anyone is interested in talking about adoption please email me off list since this isn't an adoption list! deb in MI. -----Original Message----- From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of PALarge@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:57 PM To: ontario@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! Thanks Fran for putting it out on the table. My son is adopted and at eighteen he had the right to put his name on the list to contact his birth parents IF they had their names on the list. He didn't do it until he was 25 and heard immediately. He had contact and then it didn't work out. He found there is no bond just because you give birth. BUT IT IS HIS BUSINESS NOT ANYONE ELSE'S. Also when we adopted him his name turned to a number and that is all that went through court to change his name to ours. We were also assured we were the ones that had the right to decide when to tell him. I don't agree with those papers ever becoming open to the public. I'm sorry if your great grandfather was adopted, your right to a family tree doesn't supercede someone's life. Peggy Large UE "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead" thanks to Jimmy Buffett! *********** Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather in Orillia: I am the mother of an adopted child. My opinion is that the birth parents gave me a most wonderful gift and I would love to have them in our lives. (My son is now 28 years old.) It is also my opinion that my son has a right to know his birth heritage. Mary in Kelowna, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Bertram" <aaron@bmts.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > Hi Pat and everyone else. > > I find thing very interesting. My neice and her husband want to adopt > as they are not able to have children. > > I am wondering what their view would be about the birth parents. > > Heather in Orillia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ontario-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Pat Roloff > Sent: September 21, 2007 9:41 PM > To: ontario@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > > I am finding the diverse sides of this argument most interesting. I hope > > Lorine finds it so too and continues to let this string continue. Pat > > > > > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am finding the diverse sides of this argument most interesting. I hope Lorine finds it so too and continues to let this string continue. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Seguin" <franseguin@sympatico.ca> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > Brian, This is one who is glade that the Ontario Court stopped this > opening > of Adoption papers to anyone who wanted it. I am adopted and i don't just > anyone openning my papers only me. I am the o9nly one with my biological > close family have the right to see what is in those papaers. Also the fact > that at any age you could get the information. The young say under 25 yrs > of > age are to young to understand the why's of giving a child up, they have > not > lived enough to understand that sometimes it is love that gives you the > strengh to give your beautiful baby up. When they are older they have > lived > and know that life is hard and a baby is not a doll as some young mothers > think. Sorry to come across so hard but I'm so glade and I was really > afraid > of what could have happenned as it did to a very close friend of mine, She > accidently found her papers in her fathers desk, and that just destroid > her > life she never came back after that. > Yours very truly, > Fran Seguin Adoptee, Ottawa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Gilchrist" <gilchrists@idirect.com> > To: <ontario@rootsweb.com>; <ocapg@yahoogroups.com>; "Burkholder, Ruth" > <ruth.burk@sympatico.ca>; "Fawne Stratford-Devai" <fdevai@rogers.com>; > "Rick > Roberts" <rick@globalgenealogy.com>; "Audrey Gilchrist" > <alongtime@sympatico.ca>; <orrkid@canada.com>; > <subscriber.support@eogn.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:17 PM > Subject: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > > >> Good evening everyone: I have just heard on the CTV National News, and >> have now confirmed from other sources, that the recent legislation in >> Ontario which allowed disclosure of information to both birth parents and >> birth children (which only came into effect this past Monday September >> 17th) has today Wednesday September 19, 2007 - been struck down by an >> Ontario Superior Court Judge down as being in violation of privacy >> legislation under The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. >> >> Prominent Canadian Civil Rights Lawyer Clayton Ruby argued that privacy >> is >> an individual right and no government can decide what information can be >> released. >> >> While this is disappointing at first read, we should be aware and take >> heart that the way the decision is written could be a god-send to us all >> in the long run - for if the government is no longer able to "decide what >> can be released" one can also infer that the entire file must be made >> available. However, this is speculation on my part and may require new >> Regulations or even new Legislation to be passed. >> >> As this is Ontario legislation and the decision was from an Ontario >> Superior Court Judge, I am not sure if "Leave to Appeal" can be made to >> the Ontario Supreme Court, The Federal Court of Appeal or even The >> Supreme >> Court. >> >> Can any Ontario lawyers who read this and have an interest in the topic >> shed any light onto the next possible steps for gaining access to these >> vitally important records for so many people? >> >> It must be remembered that Canadian Privacy Laws are (in theory) >> counter-balanced by the Access to Information laws. >> >> As Society moves towards the use of DNA as "proof of being" for so many >> things, think of all the adopted citizens of this country who should also >> have a the same "rights" as those not involved in adoption - that being >> the "right to know". >> >> Respectfully submitted for your information. >> >> J. Brian Gilchrist, >> Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway >> Etobicoke, ON M9A 5E2 >> gilchrists@idirect.com >> 1966 - 2007: 41 years of research and educating genealogists >> >> >> *********** >> Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone: Most libraries have the index in their own locations - The index comes in two sets of microfiche cards - one set is by Surname, the other is by location - then you can take the information (#'s, dates, etc) from the fiche index and send away for the appropriate documents. That's the easiest way I know to do it. The next best way is to order in the microfilm with your county/area on it and look up the patent vol and page # and then send away for the documents that way. Either way is easy Sher At 08:55 AM 9/21/07, you wrote: >I went to the site and there is no index of names. Is the library the >only place to seethe index? > >Paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marg McFarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:06 PM >Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] crown land patent > > > > Hi Bonnie: > > > > On this page, scroll down to Land Records: > > > > http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/common/collections.htm#land > > > > Click on How to Use the Ontario Land Record Index [ca. 1780-1920] > > [HTML, PDF] and in that document is this paragraph: > > > > Patent -transfers ownership of a parcel of Crown land to a private > > individual or organization. To see whether an individual or organization > > acquired ownership of a parcel of land, check the Indexes to Land > > Patents in Series RG 53-55 (arranged by township, 1793-1852) and RG > > 53-56 (arranged by surname, 1826-1967). Copies of the patents must be > > obtained from the Ministry of Natural Resources, Lands and Natural > > Heritage Branch, Crown Land Registry, 300 Water Street, P.O. Box 7000, > > Peterborough, ON, K9J > > > > You may want to read the entire info page in case there is more info on > > obtaining same. Also, when you're done, go back to the Land Records > > heading and click on the other heading: > > > > From Grant to Patent: A Guide to Early Land Settlement Records, [ca. > > 1790 to ca. 1850] [HTML, PDF] > > > > I've never done this myself, just found the info on the Archives of > > Ontario website. > > > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > > > > Trunthsams@aol.com wrote: > > > >>I have been told that there is an easy way to get information about a > >>crown > >>land patent on line but am lost how to start. This was land in Alice > >>Twp, > >>Renfrew County in 1861 and proven in 1873. > >> > >>Can someone help me get started in the search. I do have the numbers > >>involved as I did search the land as found on Renfrew Cty. books. > >> > >>Bonnie > >>in California > >> > >> > >>************************************** > >> See what's new at > >>http://www.aol.com > >> > >>*********** > >>Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > >>http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>__________ NOD32 2541 (20070920) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > *********** > > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >*********** >Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/07 12:07 PM

Brian, This is one who is glade that the Ontario Court stopped this opening of Adoption papers to anyone who wanted it. I am adopted and i don't just anyone openning my papers only me. I am the o9nly one with my biological close family have the right to see what is in those papaers. Also the fact that at any age you could get the information. The young say under 25 yrs of age are to young to understand the why's of giving a child up, they have not lived enough to understand that sometimes it is love that gives you the strengh to give your beautiful baby up. When they are older they have lived and know that life is hard and a baby is not a doll as some young mothers think. Sorry to come across so hard but I'm so glade and I was really afraid of what could have happenned as it did to a very close friend of mine, She accidently found her papers in her fathers desk, and that just destroid her life she never came back after that. Yours very truly, Fran Seguin Adoptee, Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gilchrist" <gilchrists@idirect.com> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com>; <ocapg@yahoogroups.com>; "Burkholder, Ruth" <ruth.burk@sympatico.ca>; "Fawne Stratford-Devai" <fdevai@rogers.com>; "Rick Roberts" <rick@globalgenealogy.com>; "Audrey Gilchrist" <alongtime@sympatico.ca>; <orrkid@canada.com>; <subscriber.support@eogn.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: [ONTARIO] Adoption records in Ontario are sealed - again! > Good evening everyone: I have just heard on the CTV National News, and > have now confirmed from other sources, that the recent legislation in > Ontario which allowed disclosure of information to both birth parents and > birth children (which only came into effect this past Monday September > 17th) has today Wednesday September 19, 2007 - been struck down by an > Ontario Superior Court Judge down as being in violation of privacy > legislation under The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. > > Prominent Canadian Civil Rights Lawyer Clayton Ruby argued that privacy is > an individual right and no government can decide what information can be > released. > > While this is disappointing at first read, we should be aware and take > heart that the way the decision is written could be a god-send to us all > in the long run - for if the government is no longer able to "decide what > can be released" one can also infer that the entire file must be made > available. However, this is speculation on my part and may require new > Regulations or even new Legislation to be passed. > > As this is Ontario legislation and the decision was from an Ontario > Superior Court Judge, I am not sure if "Leave to Appeal" can be made to > the Ontario Supreme Court, The Federal Court of Appeal or even The Supreme > Court. > > Can any Ontario lawyers who read this and have an interest in the topic > shed any light onto the next possible steps for gaining access to these > vitally important records for so many people? > > It must be remembered that Canadian Privacy Laws are (in theory) > counter-balanced by the Access to Information laws. > > As Society moves towards the use of DNA as "proof of being" for so many > things, think of all the adopted citizens of this country who should also > have a the same "rights" as those not involved in adoption - that being > the "right to know". > > Respectfully submitted for your information. > > J. Brian Gilchrist, > Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway > Etobicoke, ON M9A 5E2 > gilchrists@idirect.com > 1966 - 2007: 41 years of research and educating genealogists > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For CLRI records (ontario land records index) see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml It is not online but is available on fiche or microfilm Lorine On 21 Sep 2007 at 8:55, TURKEY wrote: > I went to the site and there is no index of names. Is the library the > only place to seethe index? > > Paul > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

I went to the site and there is no index of names. Is the library the only place to seethe index? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg McFarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <ontario@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] crown land patent > Hi Bonnie: > > On this page, scroll down to Land Records: > > http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/common/collections.htm#land > > Click on How to Use the Ontario Land Record Index [ca. 1780-1920] > [HTML, PDF] and in that document is this paragraph: > > Patent -transfers ownership of a parcel of Crown land to a private > individual or organization. To see whether an individual or organization > acquired ownership of a parcel of land, check the Indexes to Land > Patents in Series RG 53-55 (arranged by township, 1793-1852) and RG > 53-56 (arranged by surname, 1826-1967). Copies of the patents must be > obtained from the Ministry of Natural Resources, Lands and Natural > Heritage Branch, Crown Land Registry, 300 Water Street, P.O. Box 7000, > Peterborough, ON, K9J > > You may want to read the entire info page in case there is more info on > obtaining same. Also, when you're done, go back to the Land Records > heading and click on the other heading: > > From Grant to Patent: A Guide to Early Land Settlement Records, [ca. > 1790 to ca. 1850] [HTML, PDF] > > I've never done this myself, just found the info on the Archives of > Ontario website. > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > > Trunthsams@aol.com wrote: > >>I have been told that there is an easy way to get information about a >>crown >>land patent on line but am lost how to start. This was land in Alice >>Twp, >>Renfrew County in 1861 and proven in 1873. >> >>Can someone help me get started in the search. I do have the numbers >>involved as I did search the land as found on Renfrew Cty. books. >> >>Bonnie >>in California >> >> >>************************************** >> See what's new at >>http://www.aol.com >> >>*********** >>Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at >>http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>__________ NOD32 2541 (20070920) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > *********** > Search Ontario Genealogy & Resources at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ONTARIO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have been told that there is an easy way to get information about a crown land patent on line but am lost how to start. This was land in Alice Twp, Renfrew County in 1861 and proven in 1873. Can someone help me get started in the search. I do have the numbers involved as I did search the land as found on Renfrew Cty. books. Bonnie in California ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com