Hi All... I am trying to find info about a couple of elusive ancestors, Joseph SEARLE and Mary Ann TRIM. Both would seem to have come from the Devon or Cornwall area of England according to the info I have found. They had at least 3 sons born at Port Hope: George (born 1844), Henry (born 1846), and Samuel Trim. They eventually found their way over to Guelph Ontario by the 1860s where George was a baker til his death about 1914 or so. I have found the odd trace of families in the area of Port Hope named SEARLE and TRIM, but no much of substance. Is there anyone out there who might have anyone in their trees with these surnames? I am really just starting on these lines, so the info I have is sketchy at best. Any info or pointers would be greatly appreciated, Chris Bradshaw bradshawchris@home.com Searching for BRADSHAW in Paisley Scotland SMITH/COOPER in Rosedale North Riding Yorkshire HAY in Cruden Bay Aberdeenshire Scotland FORAN/WHITE Buffalo NY and Canada WEBSTER in Wexford Ireland MCDERMID/MCNEIL/TAYLOR IN Argyllshire Scotland GORING/SKILLING in Surrey TAYLOR/FINNIE in Aberdeenshire Irish HENDERSONs in Ontario Irish CAIRNS/CARNS/KEARNS in Norfolk Co. Ontario DOWSON/BARKER/HALTON in North Riding Yorkshire

Dear List-Cousins, Yesterday I was thrilled to receive several additional generations of ancestry of the HOGARTH (and related) family from yet another HOGARTH descendant (from Georgia, USA). She sent pedigree charts on this family which go as far back as 1648. The main pedigree charts are named after the following families: HOGARTH / HOGGART, WASHINGTON, CHISHOLM, ELFORD and MINNAR / MINEAR/ MENNEER. The above information is especially for those researching the families related to the HOGARTH / HOGGART family of Solina, Darlington Township (Durham). In my opinion, if you are researching any of the Darlington Township families of the 19th century, the odds are high that you are related to the HOGARTH + WASHINGTON families by marriage, in one way or the other *LOL.* For example, the HOGARTH family includes also includes connections to the Durham County families of STACEY, DANIELS, LAW, TURPIN, KERR, FLETCHER and SUTHERLAND, to name only a few. I am in the midst of distributing this information and other detailed HOGARTH+WASHINGTON genealogical material to Bowmanville Museum and Archives, as they are responsible for (and very much interested in) gathering information on Darlington Township families and the local histories in the Durham region. Also, I plan to distribute the same material to the Whitby-Oshawa OGS and their library collection at the Whitby Public Library. However, I will also be glad to do lookups for anyone interested in this tree. If interested in the details of this tree and the following surnames, please e-mail me at terras@vianet.on.ca (any hour, day or night *smile*). Cheers, Astrid Terras p.s. Special thank you to cousin Bessie Gannon who is such an excellent resource person! *Researching families of Cornwall and Devon, England, who settled in the Ontario / Upper Canada counties of Durham and Ontario in the 19th century: BROAD, BURR, CAIRNS, NEWBERRY / NEWBURY, STACEY / STACY. Also interested in the related families of BRAUND, CHISHOLM, DAVIS, ELFORD, FRANKISH, GIMBLETT, GRILLS (GRYLLS), HEWSON, HOGARTH, HALL, JOHNS, SAWYER, SNIDER (SNYDER), TENNANT, VEAL / VEALE.

To all listers:- If you like to watch a bit of television, and want a good up-to-date show I suggest listening and watching to the House of Commons as televised on CPAC...the debates get a bit HOT at times! Last evening was a late evening for them, as they voted against motion after motion on a revision of the Elections Act. Finally, one motion was accepted re times for polling stations. Mark March 3 on your calendars -- that is the date Jason Kenney is scheduled to present his Motion re census release. So far I do not have the time, but will try and obtain it. Believe me -- this play-by-play actual work of our elected Members is interesting and one could easily follow it after the first few hours. Roll calls and votes are interesting -- that is when you will learn if YOUR Member of Parliament is in the House or on committee meeting. Tune in -- the best daily show -- Monday to Thursday!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html>

Found in researching. MCKAY-CLARK. Source: LDS mf 1862893. Marriage registration number 006230. Canada. County of Oxford, Division of Woodstock. John Sutherland McKay, 33, of and born E. Zorra, bachelor, farmer, Presbyterian; parents Peter & Lilly McKay. Elizabeth Clark, 24, of W. Zorra, born Darlington, spinster, Baptist; parents Archibald & Ann Clark. Witnesses Robert Clark & Alex L. Murray, W. Zorra. 7 Jan 1873, West Zorra, by Rev. John Bates, by License.[Lilly was Lilly Munro] Marg. Robert and Margaret Hutton 2104 Cypress Road Comox, BC V9M 3Z5 rkhutton@mars.ark.com

To all:- It is very possible all researchers know of the coast-to-coast struggle going on to obtain the release of our Canadian historical records, the post-1901 census records. Many petitions, letters and e-mails of support have been received -- more are needed UNTIL the post-1901 census records have been released -- keep the pressure on!!! Senator Lorna Milne (Peel) presented the Second Reading Feb. 17, 2000 of her Bill S-15 to amend various sections of the National Archives, Statistics Canada Acts. If the response and debate is positive, we are hopeful census records after 1901 will be available to us. Should any lister desire information of any type, the wording of the S-15 Bill from Hansard, or other information related to this matter, please contact me -- we will send the information privately, as various items of information are lengthy. Just recently, one large genealogical group in Quebec presented a petition from 31 groups with 10,871 names. We will be happy to supply any information, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton, Ontario - Canadian Census Committee member <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm

We would like to announce that The Kawartha Branch of the United Empire Loyalist is now on the web. Our URL is: www.ptbo.igs.net/~davidkemlo/kawarthabrue One of the pages on our site is called “Loyalist Trivia”. We invite submissions from one and all. Please visit our guest book. Pam Dickey U.E. Kawartha Branch U.E.L.A.C.

I don't remember seeing this message from Bev about the DRAPER family. As luck would have it, I just checked my mail before we go out the door for 2 weeks, and found this response. Now I'll be wondering all the while I ski down the slopes if there are several messages waiting... ;-) I think I may have some information about one of the daughters, Ruana. Ruana DRAPER was the 3rd wife of Henry Lill RINCH. At the time of this marriage, 19 May 1876 in Bowmanville, she was said to be the daughter of James DRAPER and Malind. She was 60 and a spinster. She died 25 Jun 1890 Bowmanville. (Henry was 78 at the time of this marriage!) I have other information for Benedict DRAPER who married Mildred RINCH (the daughter of Henry, in the above paragraph). Benedict and Mildred married 26 Dec 1842 Newcastle District. Benedict was the son of James DRAPER and Molenda McNALL. I have wondered if Benedict and Ruana were brother and sister, but because these were not direct ancestors, the importance of discovering the details wasn't so high on the list. I will be interested in comparing notes when I return... Karen in Abbotsford BC >On 14 Feb 00, at 5:36, B. H. Davis wrote: > >> My family is JAMES DRAPER 1786-1864 who moved to Bowmanville with >> his 2nd wife OLIVE TUCKER 1800-1864 from Lachute area Quebec. >> His children were: >> JAMES, HENRY, LANSING, BENEDICT, HARVEY, ROWENA, JOHN, >> STEPHEN TUCKER, CYRUS, JOHN LUTHER, CLARA, ADELAIDE, >> CLOSING, MARY J. > >Hi Bev; > >Sorry about the delay in my replay, but, busy as usual! > >In the Durham County Marriage Registers - 1858 - 1869, I found the >following: > >Franklin SOPER, 22, of Cornwall, born CW, s/o Harvey and Jane, >married Aug 1, 1865 to Mary Jane DRAPER, 19, of Bowmanville, born, >CE, d/o James and Olivia > >In the Surrogate Court Index for Northumberland and Durham Counties - >1859-1900, I found: > >DRAPER, James of Darlington - #243, 1864 > >> Harvey was my ggrandfather---I have some data on some of the other >> sons but very little on the daughters. Have you run across any material in >> your search? > >There are quite a few listings in the Durham County Newspaper Index - >regarding Harvey: > >DRAPER, Harvey of Bowmanville - daughter Maggie died on Feb 10, >1906 in Brandon, Manitoba, aged 47 years > >DRAPER, Harvey - sold his house in Bowmanville, Sep 17, 1868 > >Hope that this might be of some help to you. > >Kind regards >Kathy Witheridge >Sarnia, Ontario, Canada > >--------------------------------

On 14 Feb 00, at 5:36, B. H. Davis wrote: > My family is JAMES DRAPER 1786-1864 who moved to Bowmanville with > his 2nd wife OLIVE TUCKER 1800-1864 from Lachute area Quebec. > His children were: > JAMES, HENRY, LANSING, BENEDICT, HARVEY, ROWENA, JOHN, > STEPHEN TUCKER, CYRUS, JOHN LUTHER, CLARA, ADELAIDE, > CLOSING, MARY J. Hi Bev; Sorry about the delay in my replay, but, busy as usual! In the Durham County Marriage Registers - 1858 - 1869, I found the following: Franklin SOPER, 22, of Cornwall, born CW, s/o Harvey and Jane, married Aug 1, 1865 to Mary Jane DRAPER, 19, of Bowmanville, born, CE, d/o James and Olivia In the Surrogate Court Index for Northumberland and Durham Counties - 1859-1900, I found: DRAPER, James of Darlington - #243, 1864 > Harvey was my ggrandfather---I have some data on some of the other > sons but very little on the daughters. Have you run across any material in > your search? There are quite a few listings in the Durham County Newspaper Index - regarding Harvey: DRAPER, Harvey of Bowmanville - daughter Maggie died on Feb 10, 1906 in Brandon, Manitoba, aged 47 years DRAPER, Harvey - sold his house in Bowmanville, Sep 17, 1868 Hope that this might be of some help to you. Kind regards Kathy Witheridge Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

To all:- It is very possible all researchers know of the coast-to-coast struggle going on to obtain the release of our Canadian historical records, the post-1901 census records. Senator Lorna Milne (Peel) presented the Second Reading Thursday of her Bill S-15 to amend various sections of the National Archives, Statistics Canada Acts. If the response and debate is positive, we are hopeful census records after 1901 will be available to us. Should any lister desire information of any type, the wording of the S-15 Bill from Hansard, or other information related to this matter, please contact one of us -- we will send the information privately, as various items of information are lengthy. Just recently, one large genealogical group in Quebec presented a petition from 31 groups with 10, 871 names. We will be happy to supply any information, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton, Ontario - Canadian Census Committee member <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html>

Subject: Searching for Gibsons Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:01:50 -0500 From: Ralph Park <rpark@quicklinks.on.ca> To: ONDURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Hello Ralph: I too am looking for Gibsons, but mine were in Port Hope. They may, however, have been related to others in Hope and Cavan townships. I have a collection of research tidbits relating to Gibsons in that area. Perhaps we can compare notes. Also, I have a cousin who married a CHALLICE, and now lives in Orono, Ont. Write to me off-list and I'll give you her mailing address. BTW, where do you live? Alan Richards, London, Ont.

The HOGARTH Collection: An Ethical Dilemma Please help and advise!!! I feel honoured to be in possession of a genealogical treasure: a set of family group sheets which I call "the HOGARTH Collection." The papers include five generations of descendants of the HOGARTH family of Solina, Durham County and begin with George HOGARTH (bef. 1790 - c1824) of Westmoreland, England, and his emigrant widow, Elizabeth WASHINGTON (bef. 1794 - October 29, 1874), who was also known as the "Widow HOGARTH." The pages I have are photocopies and, therefore, there is probably an original set in existence. There may also be other copies in circulation, I do not yet know. My collection totals over sixty pages. About 30 pages were to have been compiled by Mr. Claude Elmer Luther Hogarth LAW (1881-1959) of Winnipeg, Manitoba. Another 30 pages were compiled by other family researchers (Claude's daughter and son-in-law?) at a later date, possibly as late as 1979 and perhaps later still. Together, these pages add up to over 60 pages, five (almost complete) generations and who knows how many hundred individuals. This collection was entrusted to me by a gentleman from Pennsylvania on the condition that I find the best home for these valuable Hogarth papers. Now, however, my ethical dilemma is one of privacy. The pages include many individuals who must still be alive (some born as late 1979) and I know some of these individuals (cousins) personally. Therefore my dilemma and question is this: who is responsible for protecting the privacy of living individuals when a genealogist dies and their work is inherited by various members of the family? What happens to collections, such as this one, if the family wishes to release it to the public? Do organisations, such as the O.G.S. and local archives, somehow "clean" the files of living or recent descendants, or is all the information available to the public "as is"? Finally, are there limitations to the people or organisations to whom we can distribute these kinds of papers? I shall attempt to discuss this question with experienced genealogists and related professionals over the next few days (I hope), but I also wish to submit this question to this Durham Mailing List, in case others also find the dilemma interesting. In my opinion, the questions are specific to the area, but also touch upon the general but important ethical issue of privacy. I would be especially happy to hear from members of this community who might know the exact answers to these questions. All are welcome to reply to me personally or to the list generally. Look-ups are also welcome, although the replies may not be too speedy (since I haven't yet entered all names into my database). Regards, Astrid Terras terras@vianet.on.ca Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada Interested in families of Cornwall and North Devon in England, 1800s; Also in Durham and Ontario Counties in Canada: BROAD, BURR, CAIRNS, NEWBERRY, (NEWBURY), STACEY (STACY). Related families in Canada: BRAUND, CHISHOLM, DAVIS, ELFORD, FRANKISH, GIMBLETT, GRILLS (GRYLLS), HEWSON, HOGARTH, HALL, JOHNS, SAWYER, SNIDER (SNYDER), TENNANT, VEAL(E).

Further re Stevens > Hi Stephen, My Steven line is descended from Roger1 Stevens cir 1700 from Wales. . .came to America courtesy of the transport system and worked as an indentured servant. We know he had 2 sons and those are the lines I am following as they and future families moved as a group. Roger2 and Benjamin were born in Quaker Hill, Dutchess Co., but moved and settled in Pittsford Vermont. . .Roger2's wifes brother had the patent and was responsible for bring in settlers. Two sons of Rogers2 (Abel & another Roger3) were "Tories" and had worked for the British during the Revolution. In 1784 Roger3 was granted land along the St Lawrence (he had joined Burgoyne's forces and worked as a secret agent) but he left this land and went inland just south of Bytown on the Rideau River. His brother Abel was granted 1/2 a township in the same area to bring in settlers. He went back to Vermont and talked most of his relatives and some neighbours into moving to Leeds. (Bastard Township). Now this is where Durham comes into it. A son of Benjamin . . .James Stevens. . . came to Upper Canada in 1794 and was supposededly the first settler of Hope Township. Elias Smith, who received 4800 acres for bringing in 50 families swore in 1806 "that James Stevens came 4th July 1794 and resided ever since in Upper Canada." He received land both for his wife (? Douglas) as a UE, and himself as a Military Claiment (secret agent) He had at least 12 children 1. David married Clarrisa 2. James C 3. Rufus 4. Hannah m Samuel Marvin of Hope 5. Nancy married Charles Gohson of Hamilton 6. John 7. Simeon 8. Moses 9. Godfrey 10. Jeminia married John Verse of Hope 11. Anne married Joseph Demerest of Darlington 12 Hiram B There you have my info Jill jillfyffe@home.net

Jill, I am not actively working on the Steven line since I am caught up in discoveries on the Davidson side of the match but I do have Elizabeth Steven (aka Elspet Stephen) b. 1 Oct 1810 in SC, d. 13 Jun 1890 in Bosanquet Twp., Lambton Co., buried in Beechwood Cem., Forest, Lambton Co., married to James Davidson 15 Feb 1829, Fintray, Aberdeen, Scotland. Incidentally I also have a Fyfe - Janet Fyfe, b. 1 Aug 1816 in Forfarshire, SC, d. 14 Aug 1895, buried in Beechwood Cem., Forest, Lambton Co., married to David Brand 1805 Forfarshire - 1899 Bosanquet Twp., also buried in Beechwood Cem. Any matches. Dorothy from Tillsonburg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Fyffe <jillfyffe@home.net> To: <ONDURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: Stevens/ Stephens > Anyone on this list doing Stevens research? Would like to > exchange info. > > Thanks, > > Jill Fyffe > jillfyffe@home.net > ********************************** ______________________________

I am trying to find a birth certificate for George Munro. Born January 27, 1904 in the Oshawa area, there is no records of Grandpa Munro. It has been passed down in the family the the "E" in munroe was left off his birth certificate when he was born. George was murdered April 25, 1960 in front of the Clarendon Hotel in London, Ontario. Thank you for your co-operation, Vince Munro dymndman@netscape.net ************************************************************ Searching for............ The start of my family research http://dymndman.tripod.com/ My Mothers side..... Brant, Joseph b, 1742 banks of the OHIO river Croghan, Catharine b.1758 who married Joseph Brant. Kerr, William son of Dr. Robert Kerr of Niagara. Osborne, William b.? of Winnipeg Man. Kerby, Edwin Osborne b.Oct.30, 1887 Nicholson, Esther b.1893 Clark, Norman b. Nov. 07,1910 Dundee Scotland My Fathers side..... Munro, George b.Jan. 27, 1904 in Oshawa Ont. Munroe, George's parents ? Stratto, Lena b.July 28, 1909 in Montreal Que. ************************************************************ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

I am interested in exchanging information on the surname of "LAKE" from Norwich, England to the area of Newcastle, Ontario. I have accumulated some research over the years but have a lot of blank areas in this family. Hope to hear from some of you out there. Thank you, Leigh Hay-LeBlanc. Ottawa, Ontario.

Second try on this: Does anyone know anything about an organization named "Sons of England"? The obituary of a gr.gr. uncle who died in Bowmanville, Darlington Twp., in 1920, stated that he was a member of the local lodge of Sons of England. Helen Strickley Bodega Bay, CA

Hello fellow listers: Could you please see if you can help me. I am trying to findout anything on Esther Elizabeth Nicholson born 1893, died jan.22,1974 who married my great-grandfather Edwin Osborne Kerby. Thank you. Vince Munro dymndman@netscape.net Searching for............ The start of my family research http://dymndman.tripod.com/ My Mothers side..... Brant, Joseph b, 1742 banks of the OHIO river Croghan, Catharine b.1758 who married Joseph Brant. Kerr, William son of Dr. Robert Kerr of Niagara. Osborne, William b.? of Winnipeg Man. Kerby, Edward Osborne b.Oct.30, 1887 Nicholson, Esther b.1893 Clark, Norman b. Nov. 07,1910 Dundee Scotland My Fathers side..... Munro, George b.Jan. 27, 1904 in Oshawa Ont. Munroe, George's parents ? Stratto, Lena b.July 28, 1909 in Montreal Que. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

Anyone on this list doing Stevens research? Would like to exchange info. Thanks, Jill Fyffe jillfyffe@home.net ********************************** Searching - Australia/ Ireland - Cranley, McLees N Ireland - Fyffe/Fife, Steele, Gibson,McKillen, McFadden Eastern/Central Ontario - Stevens, Halladay, Bell, Gray, Harkness, Cross Sisson, Howell, Cowan/Cowen, Crawford Niagara Region - Zavitz, Troup, Doan, Hunter, Steele, Haun,Thomas,Crawford Scarlett, Pendergast Manitoba/ North Dakota - Howell, Sisson Vermont, New York - Stevens, Halladay England - French, Reynolds *******************************************************************

Hello to All: While researching my Bennett family in Newcastle area I also came across another entire line of Bennett's that I have not been able to connect. I feel there is a connection as also in my family box of old documents is an original wedding invitation for a member of this family. The mystery family is: REUBEN BENNETT born 1832 England. Settled Mill Street, Newcastle, Ontario in 1842 according to 1878 Belden Atlas. Married JULIA GIBSON also born in England. Children: CHARLES WELLINGTON born 1856 SARAH born 1858 LOUISA JANE born 1862 FRANK born 1866 ALFRED JOHN born 1873 I have the original wedding invitation for Alfred John's 2nd marriage to Lottie Wilkinson in 1906. Would love to hear from anyone researching any Bennett in the area as I would not be surprised to find that Reuben and my Richard are brothers but have never been able to come up with the missing link. Thank you, Leigh Hay-LeBlanc.

Hi Julie... This is one of those rare times where I can direct some to a site the will yield really great results. I found the following site which takes a family name back many generations. To find your ancestry back to aproximatwly 1017 (yes I said the year 1017!) go to http://www.conovergenealogy.com/. David Kipp Conover has traced the Demaray surname back to the Baron of Bousis in 1017 in Cambray, France. My own link to this surname is that Jane DEMARAY.he married William Hayes WEBSTER the nephew of my great-great Grandfather. Scroll down the left side of the screen til you come to "My Data Base Files." lick on this. It wll show a cartoon. Scroll down the right side of the page til you come to the area called "My Complete Data Base." Click on that. It will show several indexes... Click on "DE LEON--to-- DIEDRICK" Til you find DEMARAY. Chris Bradshaw bradshawchris@home.com Searching for BRADSHAW in Paisley Scotland SMITH/COOPER in Rosedale North Riding Yorkshire HAY in Cruden Bay Aberdeenshire Scotland FORAN/WHITE Buffalo NY and Canada WEBSTER in Wexford Ireland MCDERMID/MCNEIL/TAYLOR IN Argyllshire Scotland GORING/SKILLING in Surrey TAYLOR/FINNIE in Aberdeenshire Irish HENDERSONs in Ontario Irish CAIRNS/CARNS/KEARNS in Norfolk Co. Ontario DOWSON/BARKER/HALTON in North Riding Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: <liljules@uswest.net> To: <ONDURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: February 13, 2000 2:23 AM Subject: Help on research Re; Demaray's > Would like to obtain any information on the Demaray's that > settled in Durham County. > > Samuel Demaray & Greitje Martin is listed in the census of > 1822 - ( Whitby Twp ) > I'm trying to find out out where they were settled > before Durham County. > > Other Surnames connected to the Demaray's are > Varnum - Pickell - Marsh > > Samuel & Grietje had six children > Nicholas b) 5 Mar 1776 > Richard b) 11 Feb 1778 > David b) 11 Jan 1779 > Geesie c. 1780 > Joseph b) c. 1784 > John b) c. 1791 > > Any help regarding these families would be a great help. > > Julie Portner > >