In a message dated 8/17/00 11:31:31 AM Central Daylight Time, kathpaul@ebtech.net writes: << Looking for the family of Charlotte GIMBLETT, born in Devon, England, Sep 11, 1832 and came to Ontario in 1845. Between 1871 and 1881 Charlotte Gimblett married John CURTIS of Darlington Twp., Anyone have any information on the GIMBLETT family? >> Kathy, You bet!! They are all mine. :-) Descendants of William Gimblett Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 GIMBLETT was born 1776 in Devonshire, England?1, and died 15 September 1870 in Ontario, Canada2. He married ELIZABETH LEE3 17 August 1814 in Buckland Brewer, Devon, England, daughter of WILLIAM LEE and ELIZABETH COLE. She was born 3 April 1789 in East Putford, Devonshire, England3, and died 1 October 1885 in Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada4. Children of WILLIAM GIMBLETT and ELIZABETH LEE are: 2. i. JOHN WILLIAM2 GIMBLETT, b. May 1816, Devonshire England; d. 24 April 1894, Arthur, Ontario. 3. ii. GEORGE GIMBLETT, b. 25 December 1818, Devonshire, England; d. 16 June 1896, Whitby, Ontario, Canada. 4. iii. THOMAS GIMBLETT, b. 1820, Devon, England; d. Unknown, ?. iv. ANN GIMBLETT5, b. 13 January 1822, England5; d. Unknown, ?. 5. v. ELIZABETH GIMBLETT, b. 27 February 1827, Devon, England; d. 22 March 1907, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. 6. vi. WILLIAM GIMBLETT, b. 7 July 1833, Devon, England; d. 20 July 1907, L24 C2 RR6 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada. 7. vii. CHARLOTTE GIMBLETT, b. 1834, England; d. 10 June 1908, Darlington (Buried in Bowmanville Cem.). 8. viii. LEWIS GIMBLETT, b. 10 April 1836, Devon, England; d. 16 February 1899, Gimblett's Corners, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN WILLIAM2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born May 1816 in Devonshire England, and died 24 April 1894 in Arthur, Ontario6. He married MARY ANN SMALE 6 August 1840 in Sutcombe, England7. She was born 1813 in England, and died 27 September 1866 in Ebenezer Cemetary, Courtice, Ontario. Children of JOHN GIMBLETT and MARY SMALE are: i. WILLIAM3 GIMBLETT, b. 1 November 1841, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada7; d. 4 December 1920, Toronto, Ontario7; m. (1) MARGARET HAMILTON, 4 October 1870, Arthur, Ontario, Canada8; b. 12 December 1849, Arthur, Ontario, Canada9; d. 11 November 1907, Toronto, Ontario9; m. (2) ELLEN SAINBURY9, Aft. 1907, ?; b. Unknown, ?; d. Unknown, ?. ii. ELIZABETH ANN GIMBLETT, b. 29 July 1843, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada9; d. 23 November 1914, Arthur Twp10; m. (1) JOHN MASSON, 15 April 1862, ?11; b. Circa. 1843, ?; d. Unknown, ?; m. (2) WILLIAM ROBINSON, 11 January 1871, Pickering, Ontario, Canada12,13; b. Circa. 1843; d. 2 January 1929, Arthur Twp14. iii. LEWIS GIMBLETT, b. 26 September 1845, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada15; d. 11 April 1931, Arthur Twp16; m. MARY JANE CROCKER, July 1888, ?17; b. 185518; d. 6 May 1935, Arthur, Ontario, Canada19,20. iv. GEORGE GIMBLETT, b. 5 August 1848, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada20; d. Bef. 1894. v. JOHN GIMBLETT, b. 18 January 1850, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada20; d. 27 November 1890, Toronto, Ontario21; m. MARGARET BURZEY HICKS?, Circa. 1874, ?; b. 1857, ?22; d. Unknown, Rothsay, Ontario23. vi. CHARLES GIMBLETT, b. 17 June 1852, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada24; d. 6 May 1928, Arthur Twp24; m. ELIZABETH JEFFREY, 5 January 1876, ?; b. November 1852, Whitby Twp25; d. 3 February 1918, L24 C6, Arthur Twp25. vii. USEVIONS GIMBLETT, b. 26 September 1854, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada26; d. 20 July 1868, Pickering Twp, Ontario, Canada26. 3. GEORGE2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born 25 December 1818 in Devonshire, England27, and died 16 June 1896 in Whitby, Ontario, Canada28. He married ANN TUCKER 27 January 1842 in Milton Dancer, Devon, England29, daughter of JOHN TUCKER and REBECCA SLEIGH. She was born 10 March 1818 in Milton Damerel, Devon, England29,30, and died 20 January 1913 in Whitby, Ont. (Buried in Union Cem. Oshawa)31. Children of GEORGE GIMBLETT and ANN TUCKER are: i. MARY ELIZABETH3 GIMBLETT, b. 23 May 1846, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada32,33; d. 19 October 1928, Whitby, Ontario, Canada34,35; m. THOMAS PROCTOR, Circa. 1867; b. 16 April 1838, Elizabethville, New Jersey, USA36,37; d. 9 January 1923, Whitby, Ontario, Canada38,39. ii. ROBERT GIMBLETT, b. Circa. 1847, Ontario; d. September 1874, Pickering. iii. JOHN GIMBLETT, b. 13 November 1848, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada39; d. 8 January 1929, Whitby, Ontario, Canada39; m. MARTHA MCGREGOR39, Circa. 1877, ?; b. 14 January 1847, ?39; d. 30 April 1935, Whitby, Ontario, Canada39. iv. LEWIS GIMBLETT, b. Circa. 1852, Darlington, Ontario40,41; d. 24 September 1915, Whitby, Ontario, Canada42,43; m. KATE MARGARET CORRELL, 31 December 1889, Pickering, Ontario, Canada44; b. Circa. 1860, Whitby, Ontario, Canada45; d. 15 January 1943, Whitby, Ontario, Canada46,47. v. PHOEBE ANN GIMBLETT, b. 17 November 1853, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada47; d. 1933, ?; m. JOHN JEFFREY47, Circa. 1880, ?; b. 1855, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada47; d. Unknown, ?. vi. CHARLOTTE GIMBLETT, b. 1857, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada48; d. 25 February 1927, Whitby, Ontario, Canada49,50; m. ROBERT JAMES WILSON50, Unknown; b. 1855, Whitby, Ontario, Canada51,52; d. 1 February 1929, Whitby, Ontario, Canada53,54. vii. REBECCA GIMBLETT, b. 1860, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada55; d. Bef. 1881, near Oshawa (buried in Union Cem. Oshawa). viii. EMMA (? DUPLICATE) GIMBLETT, b. Unknown; m. ? GODFREY. 4. THOMAS2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1)56 was born 1820 in Devon, England56, and died Unknown in ?. He married GRACE PETHICK56 1842 in Lancaston, Cornwall, England56. She was born 1821 in Devon, England56, and died 18 October 1878 in Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada56. Children of THOMAS GIMBLETT and GRACE PETHICK are: i. MARY3 GIMBLETT56, b. 1843, England56; d. Unknown, ?; m. WOODMAN GLASPELL56, 4 October 1861, ?57; b. 1831, ?58; d. Unknown, ?. ii. ANN GIMBLETT58, b. 1847, Devon, England58; d. Unknown, ?. iii. MARTHA GIMBLETT58, b. 1854, Devon, England58; d. Unknown, ?. iv. THERESA GIMBLETT58, b. 1856, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada58; d. Unknown, ?. v. WILLIAM HENRY GIMBLETT58, b. 8 July 1859, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada58,59; d. Unknown, ?. vi. JAMES GIMBLETT60, b. 1861, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada60; d. Unknown, ?. 5. ELIZABETH2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born 27 February 1827 in Devon, England60, and died 22 March 1907 in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada60. She married JOHN COTTER 1843 in Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada60. He was born June 1825 in County Cork, Ireland60, and died 27 October 1868 in Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada60. Children of ELIZABETH GIMBLETT and JOHN COTTER are: i. ANNIE3 COTTER, b. Aft. 1840; m. ? WALSH, Unknown; b. Unknown. ii. MARGARET COTTER60, b. 1846, ?61; d. 13 February 1906, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada62,63; m. WILLIAM BRIMACOMBE64,65, Unknown; b. 1845, ?66; d. Unknown, ?. iii. THOMAS COTTER67, b. 1849, ?68; d. 4 March 1875, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada69. iv. WILLIAM COTTER69, b. 1854, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada70,71; d. 1899, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada72,73; m. ELLEN BREEN74, Circa. 1884, ?; b. 1860, ?75,76; d. 1935, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada77,78. v. JOHN COTTER, b. 1858, ?; d. Unknown, ?; m. ?, Unknown. vi. ELIZABETH COTTER79, b. 1861, ?80; d. Unknown, ?. vii. CHARLOTTE COTTER81, b. 1863, ?82; d. Unknown, ?. viii. MARY COTTER83, b. 1868. 6. WILLIAM2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born 7 July 1833 in Devon, England84,85, and died 20 July 1907 in L24 C2 RR6 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada86. He married MARY ANN SQUIRES 16 June 1859 in Darlington, Ontario, Canada87, daughter of RICHARD SQUIRES and GRACE ?. She was born 1 April 1838 in Devon, England88, and died 17 June 1917 in L24 C2 RR6 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada88. Children of WILLIAM GIMBLETT and MARY SQUIRES are: i. SAMUEL HENRY3 GIMBLETT, b. 23 April 1860, Darlington, Ontario89; d. 1934, Michigan, USA; m. JESSIE ANN JENKINS, Circa. 1898, ? Lapeer Michigan; b. 10 March 1862, Canada90; d. 1945, Michigan, USA. ii. RICHARD WILLIAM GIMBLETT, b. 3 June 1862, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada91; d. 4 March 1942, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada92,93; m. MARGARET G. PEAK, Unknown, ?; b. 28 August 1867, ?94; d. 29 October 1928, Columbus, Ontario, Canada95,96. iii. MATILDA GRACE GIMBLETT, b. 29 March 1867, ? Lot 24 C 2, Bowmanville97; d. 16 January 1946, ? Solina, Ontario; m. CHARLES THOMAS LANGMAID, 4 January 1893, Oshawa, Ontario98; b. 4 August 1868, Darlington Twp., Durham Co., Ontario, Canada99; d. 21 November 1924, Hampton, Ontario, Canada100. iv. FREDERICK JAMES GIMBLETT, b. 7 April 1869, Ontario; d. 24 May 1912, 887 Queen St E, Toronto, Ontario101; m. MARY GENDRON, Circa. 1902, Toronto, Ontario102; b. Unknown, ?; d. 4 June 1956, ? Meyronne Saskatchewan. v. MARY ELIZABETH GIMBLETT, b. 16 January 1872, ? Lot 24, Con 2 Bowmanville103; d. 23 March 1873, Duffin's Creek, Pickering103. vi. THOMAS GEORGE GIMBLETT, b. 8 June 1878, ? Solina Rd, Darlington Twp104; d. 19 October 1961, Newcastle, Ontario (Resthome)105; m. ELLEN ROBENA REYNOLDS, 2 April 1902, Bowmanville, Darlington Twp, Ontario106; b. 16 November 1877, Bowmanville, Darlington Twp, Ontario107; d. 15 February 1951, Lot 24, Con 2, RR6 Bowmanville. 7. CHARLOTTE2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born 1834 in England108, and died 10 June 1908 in Darlington (Buried in Bow. Cem.)108. She married JOHN CURTIS. He was born Circa. 1829109, and died 19 December 1903 in near Bowmanville (Buried in Bow. Cem.)110. Child of CHARLOTTE GIMBLETT and JOHN CURTIS is: i. MARY3 CURTIS, b. Circa. 1854111; d. 11 February 1888, near Bowmanville (buried in Bow. Cem.)112. 8. LEWIS2 GIMBLETT (WILLIAM1) was born 10 April 1836 in Devon, England113,114, and died 16 February 1899 in Gimblett's Corners, Darlington Twp, Ontario, Canada115. He married JANE SMITH Unknown. She was born 1837 in Devon, England116, and died 13 May 1915 in Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada116. Children of LEWIS GIMBLETT and JANE SMITH are: i. WILLIAM ROBERT3 GIMBLETT, b. 1 November 1857, Darlington Twp., Ontario, Canada117; d. 8 April 1944, Toronto, Ontario, Canada118; m. RHODA VEALE, Unknown; b. 13 September 1862, England; d. 6 April 1941, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada118. ii. ELIZABETH ANN GIMBLETT, b. 22 February 1861, ?119; d. Unknown, ?; m. SAMUEL ALLEN120, Unknown, ?; b. 28 February 1855, ?121; d. 30 December 1937, ?121. I have more information on more recent generations and some additional info on the above. Let me know what else you are looking for. Susan

Looking for the family of Charlotte GIMBLETT, born in Devon, England, Sep 11, 1832 and came to Ontario in 1845. Between 1871 and 1881 Charlotte Gimblett married John CURTIS of Darlington Twp., Anyone have any information on the GIMBLETT family? Kind regards Kathy Witheridge Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

I know that this is a long shot, but I am going to ask anyway! I am going to visit a member of the CURTIS family in North Dakota in September and would like to learn a little more about his family. His grandfather was William Francis CURTIS, born in Darlington Twp., c 1861 and was the son of John Curtis and Elizabeth. William married Florence Barber, of Courtice, on Nov 6, 1885 and they had two children, Mabel Viola, born c 1886 and William John, born c 1889. Florence died on Jun 22, 1890 at the age of 22 years. William Francis CURTIS married Sarah Janet WITHERIDGE, on Mar 26, 1891, they had two children, George Almon, born in 1893 and Frank Leonard, born in 1896. In Mar 1909, the CURTIS family moved to Sarles, North Dakota, where they died. I have found a marriage of John CURTIS to Eliza DARLEY, on Apr 9, 1860 at Durham County. The marriage certificates that John was the son of Francis Curtis and Ellen. Eliza was the daughter of Joseph Darley and Ann. I then found a marriage in the IGI as follows: Mar 23, 1830 - Francis CURTIS to Eleanor WEBSTER, at Freiston, Lincolnshire, England. The bapt., for John CURTIS, reads: Mar 28, 1831 - John CURTIS, s/o Francis Curtis and Eleanor Webster. Does anyone have any further information on this family? Kind regards Kathy Witheridge Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

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to ask this question? I have a growing family tree file, and I'm getting concerned for its well being and safety in the software I am using (family tree maker). the only way to extract data from the file, is to copy reports, or create .ged files. I would like to be able to send photo albums out with the family reports, and can't find a software that will allow me to do that. Does any one know how to solve this problem? Barb

Does ANYONE have access to the above census ????? I am looking for the PINKHAM's and Eddy's. ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Steph

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Hello Durham List! Thank you for sharing your citing frustrations! Yes, I've had the same. And, yes, I find the lack of good words to describe it all, very frustrating too. The good thing is that the new MLA guidelines (fifth edition) are available this year. The MLA standards are great for books, etc., such as in the following example: << Baxter, Angus. _In Search of Your British & Irish Roots: a Complete Guide to Tracing your English, Welsh, Scottish, & Irish Ancestors_. Fourth Edition. Toronto: McClelland & Stewart, 2000. This edition was first published in the United States by Genealogical Publishing in 1999. Most of Baxter's "In Search of ..." books are genealogical classics in Canada. >> However, genealogical sources are not included in the MLA guidelines. Other than that, I use Family Tree Maker. They have space for recording the individual sources used, as you enter your data, and they have some pages attempting to explain how to document genealogical sources too. However, they only have one or two examples, and genealogy includes many unusual sources, including those from cemeteries, archives, family histories, census returns, and so on. I'm trying to put a guide together for us up here in Ontario, Canada, for our small publishing company, and am surprised how little information there is about something which should be (in my opinion) important for all family historians and genealogists. Also, does Ultimate Family Tree have a website with some of the same info? I'm curious to see how they define and explain the need for "citations." How do other genealogical software programs deal with documenting sources and evidence? Meanwhile, Pat, I know what you mean by preferring "proof" instead of "citation," although I prefer the slightly longer word "evidence." Unfortunately, neither "proof" nor "evidence" are quite enough, although maybe they are necessary in the question somehow. The problem in using the word "proof" is that we don't only document sources to prove our evidence, but also do it to allow others to find the same sources for their own research. Also, just by documenting sources, we don't necessarily prove anything ... especially if the source we are quoting is completely wrong. Maybe the words "evaluating" or "analysing" are needed too? *Groan* Do you think the question"How do you record your sources?" is clear enough or still really fuzzy? How about ... ? *at this point my mind suddenly gets clogged up and completely stops* * * * Anyway, thank you to everyone who tried to decipher my question. If you didn't make sense of it, I don't blame you. I know what question I'm asking, but obviously haven't found understandable words with which to ask it yet. Thanks again, Astrid * * * *Researching families from England (esp. from Cornwall and Devon) who settled in the Ontario / Upper Canada counties of Durham and Ontario in the 19th century: BROAD, BURR, CAIRNS, NEWBERRY / NEWBURY, STACEY / STACY. Also interested in the related families of BRAUND, CHISHOLM, DAVIS, ELFORD, FRANKISH, GIMBLETT, GRILLS (GRYLLS), HEWSON, HOGARTH, HALL, JOHNS, NEWSTEAD, SAWYER, SNIDER (SNYDER), TENNANT, VEAL / VEALE. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:33 AM <<I have been trying to cite sources recently using my genealogy software, Ultimate Family Tree, which attempts to explain it. If they would only define their terms. Why don't they use "proof" instead of "citation"? I always took a citation to be the backing document to an honourary medal. > <<I am utterly confused between a general citation, e.g. "monumental inscription", and an extremely specific one, e.g. Pleasant Green Cemetery, Townville, Something County, Section 3, Plot 2. I don't think the software will allow for individual sources for the 4 standard events for the 600 people I now have in my tree and yet general citations do not really appear to be acceptable.>> > << /cheers Pat Jeffs>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: 10 August 2000 05:00 <<Anyone know of web-sites (or available books) which specifically show how to document genealogical sources well? I am familiar with non-genealogical sites and books, but know only two books for genealogy: one by the late Richard S. Lackey, another by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Both seen difficult (to impossible) to beg, borrow or steal. >> > > > > Thanks, > > Astrid Terras > > Gravenhurst (Muskoka Lakes), Ontario, Canada > > terras@vianet.on.ca

I have been trying to cite sources recently using my genealogy software, Ultimate Family Tree, which attempts to explain it. If they would only define their terms. Why don't they use "proof" instead of "citation"? I always took a citation to be the backing document to an honourary medal. I am utterly confused between a general citation, e.g. "monumental inscription", and an extremely specific one, e.g. Pleasant Green Cemetery, Townville, Something County, Section 3, Plot 2. I don't think the software will allow for individual sources for the 4 standard events for the 600 people I now have in my tree and yet general citations do not really appear to be acceptable. /cheers Pat Jeffs ----- Original Message ----- From: Astrid Terras <terras@vianet.on.ca> To: <ONDURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 10 August 2000 05:00 Subject: CITING SOURCES IN GENEALOGY? > Anyone know of web-sites (or available books) which specifically show how to > document genealogical sources well? I am familiar with non-genealogical > sites and books, but know only two books for genealogy: one by the late > Richard S. Lackey, another by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Both seen difficult (to > impossible) to beg, borrow or steal. > > Thanks, > Astrid Terras > Gravenhurst (Muskoka Lakes), Ontario, Canada > terras@vianet.on.ca >

Anyone know of web-sites (or available books) which specifically show how to document genealogical sources well? I am familiar with non-genealogical sites and books, but know only two books for genealogy: one by the late Richard S. Lackey, another by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Both seen difficult (to impossible) to beg, borrow or steal. Thanks, Astrid Terras Gravenhurst (Muskoka Lakes), Ontario, Canada terras@vianet.on.ca

Looking for information on the above family. They lived in the Manvers Township area from 1861 . Elizabeth Hanna married Robert G. Payne. Both are buried in the Pontypoole Cemetery. I have no information where any other members of the Hanna family are buried. Elizabeth's parents were James Hanna and Sarah Jane Unknown. ANY information would be greatly appreciateed. Steph

I would like to go and spend a day at the Ontario archives looking for information. I was wondering about a few things: 1. Is there an index which lists all the occurrences of a last name in the archives? NO... (If there was I would think I had died and gone to Heaven) (grin) 2. Do I need to know the dates and places of everyone I am looking for before I go? The more details the better your chances 3. Would a day in the archives be a `lot' of time to do research? I spend a whole day looking for one marriage. Never did find it. 4. Are there any helpful tips anyone can give me? Have fun. Having never been to an archive, I am looking to be well organised so as to not waste my time. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<end of snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Thom, The first thing you will find upon your arrival is that you must join the Archives... No charge but be prepared to provided personal information. Address etc. The next discovery is that brief cases, backpack etc are not allowed. All of that stuff is left on shelves out by the guard. Not locked so don't bring anything of value. You can take in Binders, note pads, even laptop computers.. Pens (ink) are not permitted... you must work in pencil... come with more than one.. Just inside the door on your left are brochures covering just about every aspect of the archives. They explain how the indexes works for B, D, M,. How the Land Records are indexed, Census, Newspapers, Private collections, etc. If you understood these indexes before you arrive, your time spent would be more productive. Check their website for details on the indexes. You can obtain them through inter-library loan giving you an opportunity to know exactly what you were looking for before your arrival. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.html http://www.gov.on.ca/MCZCR/archives/english/interloan/l-intro.htm Ontario Birth, Marriage and Death Records for a variety of time periods. See articles contributed to the Global Gazette over the last few years which are available free on the Global Gazette website under back issues and articles by topic (http://globalgazette.net/backtop.htm) in particular: Vital Records in Ontario - Part 1 1869 - present: http://globalgazette.net/List001/list29a.htm Vital Records in Ontario - Part 2 1858-1869: http://globalgazette.net/List001/list29b.htm Vital Records in Ontario - Part 3 pre-1858: http://globalgazette.net/List001/list29c.htm Vital Records in Ontario - Part 4 - Additional sources of information: http://globalgazette.net/List001/list29d.htm Records of Birth, Marriage and Death in Canada: CIVIL REGISTRATION at: http://globalgazette.net/gazrr/gazrr29.htm which lists the availability of BMD records in various provinces. Plan your day... What marriages are you looking for.. make a list.. What death records.. make a list.. Plus, based on the date of the event identify, the source of the records you are looking in. What entries on the census, etc... They have a vast number of Newspapers on microfilm... are you planning on looking up announcements/notices... you will need dates as they are not indexed... There are hundreds of newspapers... you will need to know the name of the one for the town / city you are researching... They have an index both by the names of the papers and by location. http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/services/news/cnie.htm Are the people you are looking for Loyalists ? They have many records for this type of research.. Land Grants, Lists of Loyalist. The Order in Council for the sons and daughters, etc. For that you will need the date of the O.C. Don' be afraid to ask for help... There is an information desk with a couple of people there... That's their job... And I have always found them to be very helpful. Some indexes only cover certain periods of time... Official registration only started around the time of Confederation... (I won't go into the exact dates here as they are well documented on Bill Martins website) http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/index2.htm The vast majority of the data is on microfilm, but there are only a few machines (2 or 3) that make copies. So you spend your time looking for the item on the older machine and then when a copy machine is available you can make a copy. It's handy at that time to have a pocket of quarters... But they will make change for you. Go early as the place starts to fill up quickly in the summer.. when people take vacations and spend there days there.. No food or drink is allowed. There are several places outside to eat a lunch plus a few restaurants near by. You are going to get hungry as the day goes on... Books and other hard copy items are stored on other floors... you fill in a sheet indicating the book you are looking for and about an hour later it's available... so plan to do other research while your waiting.. And no matter what you do... you will come away with the feeling that you just scratched the surface... Hope this helps... David

Any information re these family names and any names connected with them would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave Ingram 1 John Cairns 1844 - 1924 . +Agnes Ingram 1846 - 1926 ........ 2 William Cairns 1865 - 1957 ........ 2 David Samuel Cairns 1867 - 1938 ............ +Hannah Elizabeth Byers 1876 - 1963 ................... 3 Alice Cairns 1897 - 1943 ....................... +Joseph Stanley 1893 - 1952 ........ 2 Richard Cairns 1870 - 1944 ........ 2 John Albert Cairns 1871 - 1939 ........ 2 Mary Agnes Cairns 1875 - 1967 ............ +G. H. 'Herb' Lee 1873 - 1965

I guess this is going to sound like a silly question. I live in Quebec. A large number of my relatives, starting in 1853, lived and married, had children and died, in Ontario. I would like to go and spend a day at the Ontario archives looking for information. I was wondering about a few things: 1. Is there an index which lists all the occurrances of a last name in the archives? 2. Do I need to know the dates and places of everyone I am looking for before I go? 3. Would a day in the archives be a `lot' of time to do research? 4. Are there any helpful tips anyone can give me? Having never been to an archive, I am looking to be well organised so as to not waste my time. Thanks for any help. Thom Garfat Rosemere, Quebec.

Requesting any information regarding Mary Cairns, wife of John Chisholm, died 1897 Durham County, she married John on March 15 1869 at the Manse, Columbus, Whitby Township, Ontario. Also, Ethel Emma Cairns, who married Charles Newberry Stacey, Mar 13, 1900, Oshawa. We are sure they are related. We hope someone can help tie the two together. Please advise. Best regards Wayne R.O. Wayne Hall Hamilton, ON L8M 3A4 Canada

In a message dated 8/6/00 9:10:49 AM Central Daylight Time, dporteous@home.com writes: << CEMETERY: Oshawa Union, Section C SURNAME: PORTEOUS GIVEN: Margaret COUNTY: Durham TOWNSHIP: Whitby East From what I understand, Section C is part of the old Presbyterian Cemetery (North?). Would someone happen to have access to monumental inscriptions for this part of the cemetery? Any information would be greatly appreciated. >> Doug, Actually section "C" is different from the section known as North or South Presbyterian (South Pres. also has a section C), but it is right next to that area. The information you want it from Section "C", stone #110: ORMISTON / In / memory of / John Ormiston / died Sept. 16th 1908 aged 75 years / A faithful friend, a husband dear / A tender parent lieth here / Great is the loss we here sustain / But hope in Heaven to meet again / Margaret Porteous / his wife / died Mar. 27th 1882, aged 41 years. In / memory of / Wm. J. Avery / 1868 - 1950 / Catherine Ormiston / his wife / 1874 - 1951. Stone #111: In memory of / John J. Ormiston / born Sept. 15, 1870 / died Oct. 19, 1943. Stone #112: In loving memory of / Cynthia Jane Smith / beloved wife of / John J. Ormiston / died Sept. 15, 1935. Stone #113: Mary F. Ormiston 1870 - 1959 Stone #114: W. J. Ormiston / 1864 - 1936 Hope this helps a bit, Susan Norris, Houston, TX

EDDY- Durham County, Ont., 1800- present GIBSON- Durham County, Ont, 1800- present CARSCADDEN- Ontario, 1800- present this name is also , Cascadden, Caskadin etc. NOBES- Elizabeth married Charles Madison Eugene Eddy, lived in Clarke Township, Durham County , then in Kingston District, Ontario PARKER, Frank R. married Florence Alvira Eddy, lived in Clarke Township, Durham County, Ontario PARKER, Michael Norman married Charlotte Electra Eddy resided in Clarke Township Durham County and Grey County, Ontario before living in Pembina County, North Dakota, USA NODEN, Ethel M. , married Waldimer Leslie Eddy in Clarke Township, Ontario PINKHAM, Durham County , Ontario from Quebec PAYNE, Durham County, ONT. Pontypoole, Manver , Ont KIBOURNE, Zoa married Ira Eddy born in the USA then moved to Durham County, Ontario. ANY information on the above families would be greatly appreciated. Steph (Stephanie ) many people are writing me calling me Stephen. LOL

The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid shows an entry for a Margaret Porteous as follows: CEMETERY: Oshawa Union, Section C SURNAME: PORTEOUS GIVEN: Margaret COUNTY: Durham TOWNSHIP: Whitby East >From what I understand, Section C is part of the old Presbyterian Cemetery (North?). Would someone happen to have access to monumental inscriptions for this part of the cemetery? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Doug Porteous Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada

Here is another interesting site on batch numbers: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/batchnumbers.htm Carol-Anne

Further to the discussion on IGI batch numbers - they can be used in your research - see the following page on batch numbers for England: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/8333/iginum.html Carol-Anne