Does anyone know the whereabouts of Patrick Arthur ENGLISH, born in Tipperary, Ireland on Nov 17, 1859, son of John ENGLISH and Alice ? It is not known what date he emigrated to Canada, but on Jul 25, 1889, he married Elizabeth Maude WITHERIDGE, at Bowmanville. For a while they lived in Bedford, Quebec, but returned to Ontario as their children were born in Toronto. Patrick Arthur ENGLISH died on Sep 26, 1905 in Toronto and was buried in Norway St. John's cemetery, Toronto. Any assistance on the whereabouts of this family would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Kathy Witheridge Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

I don't know as to whether or not anyone is researching the name CURTIS in the Darlington Twp., area. On Mar 26, 1891, William Francis CURTIS, s/o John CURTIS and Eliza Darley, married Sarah Janet WITHERIDGE at Darlington Twp William Curtis had been married previously and had two children, which made Sarah an instant mother. They had another two children, George Almon Curtis, born Sep 13, 1893 and Frank Leonard Curtis, born Mar 7, 1896. On or about Mar, 1909, William, Sarah, George and Frank, left Darlington Twp for a new life in Sarles, North Dakota, where they farmed for many years. The farm is still in the possession of their grandson, Roy Elmer Curtis. Just recently we had a trip to the Canadian Rockies and on the way home we stopped in North Dakota and got to meet, Roy and Janice Curtis for the first time. We had a very enjoyable visit with them, and it is always nice to meet new family members. Should anyone be researching the CURTIS family of Darlington Twp., I can probably offer some help. Kind regards Kathy Witheridge Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

I was in contact with someone who was searching the same but have lost their e-mail address. Could they please contact me . Thanks Steph

If anyone needs anything looked up from the above, let me know as I am moving in a few weeks to Keswick and won't have a chance to do look ups for a few months . Steph

Parts 26 through 35, Bowmanville History series, are now online at the Durham County Genweb site...Mike -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= Victoria - Haliburton - Durham - Northumberland County Genweb Page Host - http://www.geocities.com/durhamcounty/Index.html Genealogical and Historical Databases for Upper Canada / Ontario Researchers - http://www.geocities.com/durhamcounty/Database.html Genealogical Researcher for Victoria, Peterborough, Northumberland & Durham, Haliburton, Hastings, and Ontario Counties. - http://www.geocities.com/durhamcounty/Research.html Michael C. Stephenson email : mstephenson@trentu.ca 1174 Royal Drive, Peterborough, (705) 743-6423 Ontario, Canada. K9H 6R1 Trent University Geography (1996) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=

Hi, Bev. I haven't been following this thread in detail, but I did notice the USA reference since my gg-grandmother was Margaret STEWART, born ca. 1823 in the USA (her country/place of birth varies from census to census). She married George Porteous (born 1818 in Yorkshire) and they lived in Reach Township. There is an Ontario Locator at the following URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator/index.html Georgina Township seems to be on the south side of Lake Simcoe (now in present-day York County). Looks like it is adjacent to Brock. I can extract a list of Irish immigrants for a specific county from the 1871 census if you'd like. I don't have answers for the other questions... Cheers. --Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley Gutenberg [mailto:guteb@sk.sympatico.ca] > Sent: October 8, 2000 12:33 PM > To: ONDURHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: group from Ireland? > > > Hi David and All, > Interesting snippit of immigration history. I have gotten > just so far with this family and seem to be at a standstill. > My experience researching in Ontario is limited. My > husband's great grandfather, William John Hunter, was Irish > and a weaver who lived in Wilfrid (near Cannington, Brock > Township, old Ontario County) in 1871 census. He said he > was born 6 October 1838 in the USA according to that > census.His wife, Jane Elizabeth McKee,(born 1837, daughter > of Samuel McKee) however was born in Ireland. Their first > child, Mary Ann Hunter, was said to have been born in > Georgina Township on 1 September 1864. I have several > questions: > > 1. Where is Georgina Township? Is it near Brock? > > 2. What work would have there been for a weaver at that > time in that particular area? > > 3. Is there any list of Irish immigrants who immigrated to a > given locality? > > 4. Would it have been advantageous to one was born in USA > rather than Ireland? > > Bev in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan >

This matter of Irish families travelling together to Canada (as well as to the U.S. and Australia) is quite fascinating to me. The family I am specifically researching it the Robert Virtue-Philina Morrison family and their eleven children who moved from the Enniskillen region in Fermanagh County, N. Ireland, to the Enniskillen region just north of Bowmanville likely in the late 1830's. I have been finding some of the same family names from where they came from in N. Ireland (although the Virtue had been Scotland first although originally French Huguenots). Names which appeared along with the Virtues were such ones as Niddery (Neddery or Nedery), Morrow, Gallagher, Hooey, Scott, Sylvester, Hall, Floody and many more. Did who villages decide to leave at the same time? Often these same families intermarried once in Canada. Have other out there run into this same situation. I wonder if they travelled together on the same ships. Leah Joys Medicine Hat, AB

Hi David and All, Interesting snippit of immigration history. I have gotten just so far with this family and seem to be at a standstill. My experience researching in Ontario is limited. My husband's great grandfather, William John Hunter, was Irish and a weaver who lived in Wilfrid (near Cannington, Brock Township, old Ontario County) in 1871 census. He said he was born 6 October 1838 in the USA according to that census.His wife, Jane Elizabeth McKee,(born 1837, daughter of Samuel McKee) however was born in Ireland. Their first child, Mary Ann Hunter, was said to have been born in Georgina Township on 1 September 1864. I have several questions: 1. Where is Georgina Township? Is it near Brock? 2. What work would have there been for a weaver at that time in that particular area? 3. Is there any list of Irish immigrants who immigrated to a given locality? 4. Would it have been advantageous to one was born in USA rather than Ireland? Bev in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

Hi all: Another possible group of immigrants to Durham county was from Ireland. My James Bigham, born 1794 in Ireland settled in north Clarke Twp. maybe around 1830. Presbyterian services were held in his barn. I note that many Irish came to this area about the same time. Does anyone have info on a possible group migration? Hi Frank, There was the Peter Robinson's group that came to Peterborough County but the following gives a little more insight into the situation at the time. It deals with Victoria County but could be anywhere in this region. <<<<<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the year 1821, the government of Upper Canada first offered land for sale in the region that is now Victoria County. During the next forty years, a hardy immigrant phalanx, at first largely Irish and Scotch swept away a wilderness of forest and swamp and established a prosperous agricultural civilization. After the war of 1812-14, a rising tide of immigration demanded the opening up of fresh territory. In 1818, the government went through the formalities of buying from the Mississauga Indians a tract of some 4000 square miles, comprising the modern counties of Peterborough and Victoria. The work of survey began at once, Emily was the first of the townships of Modern Victoria to be laid out. Mariposa came next and then Fenelon, Ops, and Eldon, in that order. Verulam, Somerville and Bexley were opened up later. From 1841 to 1861, municipal authority was centered in Peterborough, but in the latter year Victoria was given provisional and in 1863 complete independence. To the transformation of this wilderness came a virile race of white men from the far-off islands of Great Britain and Ireland. The years that followed Waterloo and the close of British's continental wars were full of distress. The economic aftermath of war pressed hard. The population of Ireland was growing beyond the safety limits of the precarious potato. The introduction of weaving machinery bought tens of thousands of Scotch and English hand-loom-weavers face to face with starvation. To cope with this distress the British government deliberately encouraged emigration to Canada. Once started the human stream poured steadily across the Atlantic. In 1814, Upper Canada contained only 95,000 inhabitants; by 1849 the population had risen to 791,000. In a single year 50,000 immigrants arrived at Quebec. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<end of snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

HI Karen: I'm not sure where you are from or how much knowledge you have of Canadian history. I just wrote a short article about the Canada Company for a local newsletter, so I can tell you a bit of it's history. The Canada Company was a colonization corporation found in 1826. There were four such companies that I am aware of--two were French and two, English. Canada Company was one of the English corporations and the other was the British American Land Company. These companies would by up hugh grants of land from the British government and then advertise in pamphlets and brochures in the mother countries for potential buyers. The Canada Company purchased a hugh tract of land that was called the Huron Tract and a lot of clerical and crown land. These clerical and crown lands were all over the Province of Ontario and are the pieces of properties that were sold in the Durham County area. My ggg grandfather, Henry McBrien and his son, Edward both purchased lots in Whitby Township from the Canada Company. The Huron Tract was about a million acres of land along Lake Huron. The Company had this tract surveyed and divided into lots for sale. My great grandfather came to this part of Ontario in 1870 where he had purchased land from the Canada Company. This company lasted until the 1950s and is still very much a part of local history where I live. I hope this helps. If you need anymore information, write me. Regards, Maxine Forest, Ontario K/H Start wrote: > > Hello, > I am not familiar with the Canada Company as mentioned for Yorks > people coming to Canada. Would someone mind giving a simple > explanation please? Also, are there indexes to help in searching for > people? > Thanks. > Karen > > >...have a Yorkshire emigrant who left England in the 1840's, quite > >possibly lured over by one of the ads placed by the Canada Company, as he > >appears in one of their early remittance books sending money home to his wife > >and small family to bring them to Canada.

Hello, I am not familiar with the Canada Company as mentioned for Yorks people coming to Canada. Would someone mind giving a simple explanation please? Also, are there indexes to help in searching for people? Thanks. Karen >...have a Yorkshire emigrant who left England in the 1840's, quite >possibly lured over by one of the ads placed by the Canada Company, as he >appears in one of their early remittance books sending money home to his wife >and small family to bring them to Canada.

Hi all: Another possible group of immigrants to Durham county was from Ireland. My James Bigham, born 1794 in Ireland settled in north Clarke Twp. maybe around 1830. Presbyterian services were held in his barn. I note that many Irish came to this area about the same time. Does anyone have info on a possible group migration? Frank

Hi! I too, have a Yorkshire emigrant who left England in the 1840's, quite possibly lured over by one of the ads placed by the Canada Company, as he appears in one of their early remittance books sending money home to his wife and small family to bring them to Canada. Joseph Claughton (c1809 - 1886) came to Oshawa, Ontario County, Ontario about 1841/2 from Horsforth, Guisley Parish, Yorkshire leaving his wife and young children behind. He sent for them about 1844, and later removed to Reach Township, Ontario County. In the remittance books, about the same time as Joseph Claughton sent his money home, William Townend (sic) of Oshawa sent money home to Mrs. Bessy Townend, of Horsforth, near Leeds, Yorkshire, the same location as Joseph's. I am guessing that these two men may have immigrated to Ontario together, but have no family lore to back it up, nor any connection to the Townend family that I am aware of. A quick check of a couple of the Utica Cemeteries where Joseph is buried revealed the following people from Yorkshire: Thomas Watson (c1786 - 1863) & wife Sarah (c1783 - 1872) William Crosier (c1809 - 1903) & wife Elizabeth (dates illegible) James Bentley (c1813 - 1875) & wife Mary Watson (c1811 - 1901) Robert Hodgeson & wife Ann (c1813 - 1854) John Mortson (c1815 - 1869) William Hart (c1819 - 1886) & wife Hannah (c1815 - 1886) John Tennyson (c1818 - 1896) (& his Canadian wife) William Holtby (c1815 - 1872) & wife Ellen (c1816 - 1857) Elizabeth Holtby (c1815 - 1876) [perhaps the second wife of the above William?] John S. Holtby (c1817 - 1900) & wife Elizabeth Holbourn (c1821 - 1854) & wife Katharine Holbourn (c1838 - 1873) (2nd wife born London, England) Robert Dobson (1819 - 1907) & wife Martha (c1821 - 1895) ---- Probably a comparison of the families in the 1861 census of Reach Township and the IGI would locate some of their Yorkshire roots. (a job for another day) : ) ---- Note: John Sykes (c1800 - 1876) and his wife Ann (c1811 - 1890) are also interred in the same cemetery as Joseph Claughton. No nativity is mentioned, although the census index of 1871 lists England as John's place of birth. Joseph's son, Seth Claughton, married Ann Sykes, the daughter of John & Susanna Sykes. Happy Hunting! Stephen Wood Doug Porteous wrote: > My gg-grandfather left Yorkshire (possibly from Elvington where he was born > in 1818) for Upper Canada some time before October 10, 1845 when he > purchased a tract of Clergy Reserve land in Upper Canada (REACH Township). > > My theory is that it's quite possible my gg-grandfather was part of a group > of fellow emigrants from Yorkshire.

My gg-grandfather left Yorkshire (possibly from Elvington where he was born in 1818) for Upper Canada some time before October 10, 1845 when he purchased a tract of Clergy Reserve land in Upper Canada (REACH Township). My theory is that it's quite possible my gg-grandfather was part of a group of fellow emigrants from Yorkshire. I excerpted the following quote from Samuel Farmer's "On the Shores of Scugog" (which I've previously posted, NO DATES ARE PROVIDED): "A third group travelled east from Toronto to Oshawa, and then north. They settled the Whitbys, Reach and Scugog, and included ENGLISH, Irish, Scotch and some Americans" [my caps] (pg. 201), and on page 203: "Still farther to the west, John Sykes, Chas. Mitchell, and George PORTEOUS were settled." If I can find one or two other researchers whose ancestors populated the same area, then we might be able to pool our collective knowledge and "put 2 and 2 together". The 1871 Ontario Census shows a total of 487 heads of household and/or strays in Reach Township who were born in England (covering 348 distinct surnames), out of a grand total of 849 entries for the township. Now if the census takers had only asked just where in England they were from! :) Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. --Doug ========================== Doug Porteous dporteous@home.com Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada

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Dear Listers, My ggreatgrandfather and family came to CANADA from ENGLAND in 1857-1858. Would any of you out there know of PASSENGER LISTS of this era be on line. Thanking you in advance, D. HAWES,

Would like to make contact with descendants or anyone researching the Hortop surname in Pickering, Whitby and Oshawa areas. In particular a "Reuben" Hortop who lived at 259 Selena Street, Oshawa in 1927. Reuben is Franklin "Reuben" Hortop b. Kinsale in 1890. Parents Joseph N. and Frances "Nellie" Gertrude (Stevenson) Hortop of Kinsale, Pickering Township. Also looking for Reuben's brother John A. and sisters Laura A., Candace Gertrude and Gladys V. Jim Dawe

Sorry to send to list but if Rod Harrison, who researches the Harrison name in Manvers, Durham County would please get in touch. Your email in coming back to me. Thanks, Marg. Hutton Bob & Marg. Hutton 2104 Cypress Road Comox, BC. V9M 3Z5 1-250-339-0429

...a short note to inform this list that the ongoing Bowmanville/Darlington history series on the Durham County Genweb Page will be updated to Part 25 tomorrow (Sunday)...also an interesting letter re movement of settlers from US to Darlington Twp. ...my Family Genealogy Record database also has had a lot of additions, over 10,000 entries now...and there is no charge for looking at the index....see address below... .....Michael Stephenson -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= Victoria County Genweb Page Host - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5715/Victoria/index.htm Durham County Genweb Page Host - http://www.geocities.com/Soho/Gallery/5715/Durham/index.html Northumberland County Genweb Page Host - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5715/Northumberland/index.html Genealogical and Historical Databases for Upper Canada Research - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5715/Database.html Genealogical Researcher for Victoria, Peterborough, Northumberland & Durham, Haliburton, Hastings, and Ontario Counties. Michael C. Stephenson email : mstephenson@trentu.ca 1174 Royal Drive, Peterborough, (705) 743-6423 Ontario, Canada. K9H 6R1 Trent University Geography (1996) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=

Hello Everyone, I am looking for ANY information on the above mentioned family who originally came from England in the late 1840's. They originally settled in Durham County, Ontario but then spread out , London Twp. is one place that I have found them in. ANY info would be great. Thanks Steph