Hi, The hand condition is described in the series of novels by Diana Gibaldon in the last one -A Breath of Snow and Ashes. It is a series that invokes time travel but also about Scots immigrating to the U.S. before the revolution. You may enjoy it. I certainly did! There is one Mr. Oliphant who matches the Oliver men who were DNA tested in the group shaded bright yellow, at at least 35 of 27 markers. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoliver/OliverLines.html When I last checked, he matched no other Oliphant though. There is another Oliphant DNA group that matches men in the bright orange shaded Oliver DNA group. Not that the set of Gibaldon novels is completely historically accurate, but as I understand it men of many last names could fight under the banner of a good leader in one clan, or be in his group through marriage. Sheila >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: timo36 >Surnames: Oliver,Fraser,Oliphant,Olifar >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Looking for any and all information that links Oliver clan as a sept >(Subgroup) of Clan Fraser or Clan Oliphant. > >My understanding is the link to Clan Fraser is based on the fact >there was a Clan seat at Castle Oliver, but no Olivers have ever >lived in the castle nor was it built by Olivers rather built by an >Oliver Fraser and is named for his first name not last. > >My understanding of the Oliphant link is that Olifar is a root name >for Oliphant (Olifar = Oliver) which makes way more sense. But >according to the Council of Scottish Chiefs Oliver is a sept of >Fraser. Now this much I do know. After the Clan systems were >abolished by the English technically all Clans were disbanded. When >they were reestablished the Olivers were placed under Fraser because >of the Oliver Castle. Also I fairly certian that the Olivers >migrated to the highlands from the Borders area. Frasers are >Highlanders and Olipahnts are Border area Scots. > >As I sated above any and all knowledge on this matter will be >greatly appreciated. You may feel free to contact me directly. >Thanks in advance. > >Tim Oliver >[email protected] > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If >you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board >URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------- >OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Sheila M. Schmutz, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Animal and Poultry Science College of Agriculture and Bioresources 51 Campus Drive University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 phone 306-966-4153 fax 306-966-4151 [email protected] http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz