Evon, On the purchase of the book, "Sketches of the Olivers" by Col. Hugh Oliver and his wife, Margaret, you can contact Margaret at _MTOLIVER77@AOL.COM_ (mailto:MTOLIVER77@AOL.COM) . Her address is 914 Crestwyck Lane, Greenville, SC 29615. It is a very interesting book which includes census, deeds, etc. of Olivers in S. C., Georgia, Alabama, etc. Mrs. Oliver has printed a 3rd edition in 2006 due to many requests. The first edition was printed in 1987, second edition 1996. It is a hard back cover and believe it has about 500 pages. To me, it was worth the money and very informative. Ellen Oliver Wilson In a message dated 9/17/2009 6:50:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, olivermfg@aol.com writes: Where do you purchase the book sketches of the Olivers?? I would be interested in buying one. Thanks, Evon Oliver -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jkwilsonfl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks again Phyllis. I just printed the info for reading. I have traced my Olivers from Edgefield Co., S. C, through Georgia before finally settling in Starke, Florida. I bought a copy of the book, "Sketches of the Olivers" by Col. Hugh Oliver and his wife Margaret. I use the book very often as a reference book. Col. Oliver was tracing his family roots at Cades Cove, Tenn. and accumulated a lot of Oliver information. Instead of throwing away the information that did not pertain to his line, he included it in his book. Just thought you would like to know. Ellen Oliver wilson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------------------- OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------- OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, our Fred Marion Oliver was married to a Jessie Smeaton and had two children Archie born in 1902 and Hazel Isabel born in 1904.? They lived in St Charles, Saginaw County, Michigan,? His parents were Edison Andrew Oliver and his Mother was Ellen Estelle Thayer.? Does this help? -----Original Message----- From: sharonlclay@comcast.net To: oliver@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant What do you know about Fred Oliver. Since I can find nothing on Ferdinand, some people have said that he might have been called Fred. He was born in Ohio, and was back and forth between Indiana and Illinois. Have you traced HIS family? Sharon Oliver Clay ----- Original Message ----- From: olivermfg@aol.com To: oliver@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant I don't know if ours our black sheep, but, I wouldn't be surprised, everything is such a secret and I have hit a brick wall also!!!!? Though, I finally found out who his 3rd gr grandfathers dad and his brother was which was a miracle!! My husband is James E Oliver, Father Archie E Oliver, gr ftr Fred M Oliver, great grandfather Edison Oliver, gr gr grandfather William Oliver, gr gr gr grandfather Alpheus M Oliver (Born in NY 2 June 1800) 4th gr grandfather John Oliver, and Alpheus Brother William born 1799 in Springfield, NY and died in the War of 1812 at the age of 16, June 5, 1815. I know from NY they moved to Ohio, and then to Michigan, living mostly in Saginaw and Shiawassee Counties.? Alpheus bought propert all over the United States. It would be wonderful if our Oliver's were related!!! Evon Oliver -----Original Message----- From: Janis Wetherbee To: oliver@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant Yes, I do!! Where is his Olivers from? Mine was the black sheep and is a brick wall. Janis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > Are you from Havasu?? We have a home there, though I do live in Tn.? I > spend alot of time in Havasu. > > > > My husband is of the Oliver family, and we are currently doing alot of > research on his "Oliver family" > > Evon Oliver > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > To: OL IVER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm > Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: havasuhattie > Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. > I can > only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens > contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother > (oliver > decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I > have > multiple scaring on palms of hands. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsu781 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ellen, You are welcome. I hope the information helps give you a better understanding of this condition. As for my Olivers...my father (d. June 2004) and I have managed to trace our Olivers only as far back as Charleston, SC during the RW where Samuel Oliver, RS, was captured and died in prison during the RW. This line comes into GA through Abbeville, SC. In GA, our line shows up in the following counties: Hall, DeKalb, Campbell, Muscogee, and Fulton. Daddy also bought Col. Oliver's book some years ago and I have since inherited it; although I haven't referred to it in some time. I don't really remember that there was much, if anything, in there that pertained to our particular line. I haven't really been doing much serious research as of late, but if I find anything that may appear connected to your line, I'll let you know. Phyllis (Oliver) Abbott Acworth, GA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I don't know if ours our black sheep, but, I wouldn't be surprised, everything is such a secret and I have hit a brick wall also!!!!? Though, I finally found out who his 3rd gr grandfathers dad and his brother was which was a miracle!! My husband is James E Oliver, Father Archie E Oliver, gr ftr Fred M Oliver, great grandfather Edison Oliver, gr gr grandfather William Oliver, gr gr gr grandfather Alpheus M Oliver (Born in NY 2 June 1800) 4th gr grandfather John Oliver, and Alpheus Brother William born 1799 in Springfield, NY and died in the War of 1812 at the age of 16, June 5, 1815. I know from NY they moved to Ohio, and then to Michigan, living mostly in Saginaw and Shiawassee Counties.? Alpheus bought propert all over the United States. It would be wonderful if our Oliver's were related!!! Evon Oliver -----Original Message----- From: Janis Wetherbee <firefly@citlink.net> To: oliver@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant Yes, I do!! Where is his Olivers from? Mine was the black sheep and is a brick wall. Janis ----- Original Message ----- From: <olivermfg@aol.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <oliver@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > Are you from Havasu?? We have a home there, though I do live in Tn.? I > spend alot of time in Havasu. > > > > My husband is of the Oliver family, and we are currently doing alot of > research on his "Oliver family" > > Evon Oliver > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm > Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: havasuhattie > Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. > I can > only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens > contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother > (oliver > decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I > have > multiple scaring on palms of hands. I was told this is more frequent in > males > than females > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond > on the board. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > ---------------- --------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------- OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you from Havasu?? We have a home there, though I do live in Tn.? I spend alot of time in Havasu. My husband is of the Oliver family, and we are currently doing alot of research on his "Oliver family" Evon Oliver -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: havasuhattie Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. I can only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother (oliver decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I have multiple scaring on palms of hands. I was told this is more frequent in males than females Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------------------- OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where do you purchase the book sketches of the Olivers?? I would be interested in buying one. Thanks, Evon Oliver -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jkwilsonfl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks again Phyllis. I just printed the info for reading. I have traced my Olivers from Edgefield Co., S. C, through Georgia before finally settling in Starke, Florida. I bought a copy of the book, "Sketches of the Olivers" by Col. Hugh Oliver and his wife Margaret. I use the book very often as a reference book. Col. Oliver was tracing his family roots at Cades Cove, Tenn. and accumulated a lot of Oliver information. Instead of throwing away the information that did not pertain to his line, he included it in his book. Just thought you would like to know. Ellen Oliver wilson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------------------- OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jkwilsonfl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks again Phyllis. I just printed the info for reading. I have traced my Olivers from Edgefield Co., S. C, through Georgia before finally settling in Starke, Florida. I bought a copy of the book, "Sketches of the Olivers" by Col. Hugh Oliver and his wife Margaret. I use the book very often as a reference book. Col. Oliver was tracing his family roots at Cades Cove, Tenn. and accumulated a lot of Oliver information. Instead of throwing away the information that did not pertain to his line, he included it in his book. Just thought you would like to know. Ellen Oliver wilson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JanisWETHERBEE Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Oliver poss. born in Carne VA m. Diana Ellender carpenter in Pike Co MO 1833 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: timo36 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WHo is your Oliver in VA early 1800's mine is Washington Warren with a possible father of Robert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: havasuhattie Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. I can only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother (oliver decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I have multiple scaring on palms of hands. I was told this is more frequent in males than females Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mine was "rumored' to be from Carne VA. Only Carne I can find is a creek. He moved to Pike County MO abt 1830ish and was "killed by a shotgun blast" on 29 June 1858. His wife was going to divorce him. He was a drunk and a gambler. His parents were born (and him too) in VA according to census records. I wish he had a more uncommon name then I could have poss. found him. He did name some of his kids really interesting names such as General Jackson Oliver, George Washington Oliver etc. My mom was the Oliver, born in Missouri and raised there. Janis ----- Original Message ----- From: <olivermfg@aol.com> To: <oliver@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > I don't know if ours our black sheep, but, I wouldn't be surprised, > everything is such a secret and I have hit a brick wall also!!!!? Though, > I finally found out who his 3rd gr grandfathers dad and his brother was > which was a miracle!! > > > > My husband is James E Oliver, Father Archie E Oliver, gr ftr Fred M > Oliver, great grandfather Edison Oliver, gr gr grandfather William Oliver, > gr gr gr grandfather Alpheus M Oliver (Born in NY 2 June 1800) 4th gr > grandfather John Oliver, and Alpheus Brother William born 1799 in > Springfield, NY and died in the War of 1812 at the age of 16, June 5, > 1815. > > > > I know from NY they moved to Ohio, and then to Michigan, living mostly in > Saginaw and Shiawassee Counties.? Alpheus bought propert all over the > United States. > > > > It would be wonderful if our Oliver's were related!!! > > Evon Oliver > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janis Wetherbee <firefly@citlink.net> > To: oliver@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:00 pm > Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > > > > Yes, I do!! Where is his Olivers from? > Mine was the black sheep and is a brick wall. > Janis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <olivermfg@aol.com> > To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <oliver@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > >> >> Are you from Havasu?? We have a home there, though I do live in Tn.? I >> spend alot of time in Havasu. >> >> >> >> My husband is of the Oliver family, and we are currently doing alot of >> research on his "Oliver family" >> >> Evon Oliver >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >> To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm >> Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant >> >> >> >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: havasuhattie >> Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. >> I can >> only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens >> contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother >> (oliver >> decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I >> have >> multiple scaring on palms of hands. I was told this is more frequent in >> males >> than females >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would like >> to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and >> respond >> on the board. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------- > --------------------------- >> OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I do!! Where is his Olivers from? Mine was the black sheep and is a brick wall. Janis ----- Original Message ----- From: <olivermfg@aol.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <oliver@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > Are you from Havasu?? We have a home there, though I do live in Tn.? I > spend alot of time in Havasu. > > > > My husband is of the Oliver family, and we are currently doing alot of > research on his "Oliver family" > > Evon Oliver > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > To: OLIVER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm > Subject: Re: [OLIVER] Scottish Olivers Fraser/Oliphant > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: havasuhattie > Surnames: Oliver, carpenter, groom, > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My grandfather was an Oliver unknown exactly which country he came from. > I can > only trace him back to somewhere in VA early 1800. I have dupeytrens > contracture. My father had a mild case (not an Oliver) and my brother > (oliver > decendant) also has milder case than I. I don't have contracture but I > have > multiple scaring on palms of hands. I was told this is more frequent in > males > than females > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond > on the board. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsu781 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ellen, What you describe does sound like Dupuytren's Contracture (Viking's Disease) but, of course, don't know for sure unless actually medically diagnosed. This condition is not unique to those of Oliver descent or even of Scandinavian descent, but is has in the past shown to be somewhat prevalent in those of Scandinavian descent. You can find a good bit of information about it online. You may want to especially check out this interesting article. http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedings/14_4/14_4_flatt.pdf Hope this helps. Glad I could help. Phyllis (Oliver) Abbott Acworth, GA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jkwilsonfl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Phyllis, I am an Oliver born. Just wanted to comment on the described condition you mentioned. My great grandmother, Mary Alice Crosby had this condition also but the irony of this is she married an Oliver, George Samuel Oliver. This condition affected her left hand which drew down her ring and pinkie finger. No one knew what caused her condition or when it occurred. The family believed she had a stroke in that hand and when she was asked, she would claim she hurt her hand as a young child. I was a small child when I met my great grandmother and always wondered about her hand. The fingers never moved and always stayed curled up in the palm of her hand. She would have to forcibly stretch them out to trim her nails. I am surprised that someone else has experienced this condition and am happy to finally know what it is called. Thanks for sharing your information. Ellen Oliver Wilson JKWILSONFL@AOL.COM Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsu781 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Other derivations that I have heard suggested for the name Oliver are: Olivier (of French origins) and Olaf (of Scandinavian origins). Not sure how the French would tie into the British Isles, but I know that at some point, the Scandinavians (Norway, Sweden and Denmark) invaded the British Isles and intermarried with people there. While I cannot trace my Olivers back into those areas yet, I am pretty sure that my family was at least from somewhere in the British Isles (probably England somewhere). Also, there is a condition of the hand known as Dupuytren's Contracture which was once known as Viking's Disease. It involves the formation of nodules under the skin in the palm of the hand. These nodules can progress to the point that it will draw down the fingers (usually the ring finger and the "pinkie") toward the palm and may require surgery to correct. My father had this condition some years ago and now I appear to be developing it as well. While the evidence is not certain proof, it does suggest that there may be something to this Viking connection theory and possibly the Oliver line. I would be interested in hearing if there are other Olivers with this hand condition and where their family origins lie. Phyllis (Oliver) Abbott Acworth, GA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: timo36 Surnames: Oliver,Fraser,Oliphant,Olifar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any and all information that links Oliver clan as a sept (Subgroup) of Clan Fraser or Clan Oliphant. My understanding is the link to Clan Fraser is based on the fact there was a Clan seat at Castle Oliver, but no Olivers have ever lived in the castle nor was it built by Olivers rather built by an Oliver Fraser and is named for his first name not last. My understanding of the Oliphant link is that Olifar is a root name for Oliphant (Olifar = Oliver) which makes way more sense. But according to the Council of Scottish Chiefs Oliver is a sept of Fraser. Now this much I do know. After the Clan systems were abolished by the English technically all Clans were disbanded. When they were reestablished the Olivers were placed under Fraser because of the Oliver Castle. Also I fairly certian that the Olivers migrated to the highlands from the Borders area. Frasers are Highlanders and Olipahnts are Border area Scots. As I sated above any and all knowledge on this matter will be greatly appreciated. You may feel free to contact me directly. Thanks in advance. Tim Oliver timo36@mac.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, The hand condition is described in the series of novels by Diana Gibaldon in the last one -A Breath of Snow and Ashes. It is a series that invokes time travel but also about Scots immigrating to the U.S. before the revolution. You may enjoy it. I certainly did! There is one Mr. Oliphant who matches the Oliver men who were DNA tested in the group shaded bright yellow, at at least 35 of 27 markers. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoliver/OliverLines.html When I last checked, he matched no other Oliphant though. There is another Oliphant DNA group that matches men in the bright orange shaded Oliver DNA group. Not that the set of Gibaldon novels is completely historically accurate, but as I understand it men of many last names could fight under the banner of a good leader in one clan, or be in his group through marriage. Sheila >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: timo36 >Surnames: Oliver,Fraser,Oliphant,Olifar >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4859/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Looking for any and all information that links Oliver clan as a sept >(Subgroup) of Clan Fraser or Clan Oliphant. > >My understanding is the link to Clan Fraser is based on the fact >there was a Clan seat at Castle Oliver, but no Olivers have ever >lived in the castle nor was it built by Olivers rather built by an >Oliver Fraser and is named for his first name not last. > >My understanding of the Oliphant link is that Olifar is a root name >for Oliphant (Olifar = Oliver) which makes way more sense. But >according to the Council of Scottish Chiefs Oliver is a sept of >Fraser. Now this much I do know. After the Clan systems were >abolished by the English technically all Clans were disbanded. When >they were reestablished the Olivers were placed under Fraser because >of the Oliver Castle. Also I fairly certian that the Olivers >migrated to the highlands from the Borders area. Frasers are >Highlanders and Olipahnts are Border area Scots. > >As I sated above any and all knowledge on this matter will be >greatly appreciated. You may feel free to contact me directly. >Thanks in advance. > >Tim Oliver >timo36@mac.com > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If >you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board >URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------- >OLIVER Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/oliver.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OLIVER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Sheila M. Schmutz, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Animal and Poultry Science College of Agriculture and Bioresources 51 Campus Drive University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 phone 306-966-4153 fax 306-966-4151 sheila.schmutz@usask.ca http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz

Remember if you are talking about Scotland there was the "Auld Alliance" between Scotland and France against the English. There are quite a few Olivers in the north of England. John On 17-Sep-09, at 9:40 AM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > Other derivations that I have heard suggested for the name Oliver > are: Olivier (of French origins) and Olaf (of Scandinavian > origins). Not sure how the French would tie into the British Isles,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stargurl0303 Surnames: DeRousse, Pratte, Aubuchon, Pepin dit Lachance, Papin, Royer, Fontaine, Levery, more. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/4858/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for information on Bernard, Julie, Celeste Oliver IL/MO, who may, or may not, have been in the same family. The resided in Randolph Co, IL, and either St. Louis county or one of the surrounding French villages, like St. Genevieve, MO. Likely date of births would be 1800-1825. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: madisoni Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.oliver/576.635.642.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: General Francis Marion was also known as the "Swamp Fox" and was a famous general from SC during the Revolutionary War. That's is why you see so many men during that era named for him. He led American forces through swamps in SC to sneak up on the Brits. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.