Pricilla-what a pretty name....thank you, I too just figured out who the Pope was. I am a member of a Pope site and got some info and a bit more here for you. So maybe this Nath'l is related to the Nath'l that was connected also to Wm Pope Duval...I find the more research I do, more folks are related and connected back then, fascinating to me, Nena David Pope - Jan 25, 2003 [email protected] I believe this is a different line than the previously confusing POPE/DuVal line (too many William's, Nathanial's, etc): The Penelope POPE here is the daughter of William and Penelope nee EDWARDS POPE. This William POPE is the son of Worden POPE, son of Nathaniel and Jane BROWN POPE. Worden was married to Hester NETHERTAN. She remarried after Worden's death and I have some additional info at the end of this post on her 2nd husband, Lynaugh HELM: Source for following paragraph: Genealogies of Virginia Families, pg. 154. "Col. Nath'l Pope and His Descendents, by Rev. G. W. Beale, D. D. Of this group of children of William and Penelope Pope, the daughter Penelope who married Col. Oldham, had by him four children, viz: William (died young), John P., Richard A., and Abigail. She married (2) Henry Churchill (Jan 2, 1793), and died Sep 16, 1821. She had by the second marriage five children: Armistead, Henry, Lucy Gordon, Worden Pope, Eliza Ann, and Alexander Pope. Source for following paragraph: Genealogies of Virginia Families from the William & Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Vol. IV p. 156. Lt Col William Oldham, was killed , Nov 4, 1791, commanding Kentucky Militia at St. Clair’s defeat. Col. Oldham is believed to have been the oldest son of Issac Oldham, formerly of Westmoreland Co, PA, who died in 1822 Ohio co Va. leaving a will, in which 13 children are named. Children: William, John P., Richard A., & Abigail. Source for below: The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 150 Mrs. Stevie Fagan Richmond. DAR ID Number:149516 William Pope: Appointed Col 1781 of Jefferson Co KY. Laid out the town of Louisville, KY and held many important offices there. Born Westmoreland Co, VA, died Louisville, KY. Md 1765 Penelope Edwards (1748-1825); (1) daughter, Jane Pope, born 1772, died 1852, md 1793 Abner Field (1752-1831); (2) daughter, Elizabeth Pope md 2nd, Nathaniel Hall; (3) son Nathaniel Pope (1784-1850), md 1809 Lucretia Backus (1787-1867) (Nathaniel & Lucretia had a daughter, Cynthia Pope (1836-1855)); (4) daughter Penelope Pope, md Henry Churchill, Henry & Penelope had a son, Alexander Pope Churchill). (Vol 122 p. 216.) (Genealogies of Virginia Families) William Pope (son of Worden and Hester) in early life lived in Prince William Co, VA, and moved thence to Jefferson Co. KY; trustee Jefferson Courthouse 1784; afterward trustee Louisville, KY. He served as Capt in the Revolution, and afterwards as Col in the Kentucky Militia. He md circa 1765 Penelope Edwards, dau of Hayden Edwards, of Faquier Co, VA. Hayden Edwards was second son of William Edwards, of Lancaster Co, VA and is mentioned by Kennedy in "The Life of William Wirt". He was grandfather of Governor Ninian Edwards, of Illinois. The children of William and Penelope (Edwards) Pope, as far as we have ascertained, were (1) Penelope b Prince William Co, VA, Feb.12, 1769; md July 24, 1783, Lieut.-Col. William Oldham, who was killed, Nov. 4, 1791, commanding Kentucky Militia at St. Clair's defeat. Col. Oldham is believed to have been the eldest son of Isaac Oldham, formerly of Westmoreland Co, PA, who died 1822 Ohio Co VA., leaving a will which 13 children are named. (2) John, b Prince William Co, VA, 1770, lost an arm by an accident when a boy, removed to KY, was US Senator, served (1829-1837) as territorial Governor Arkansas, died at Springfield, KY, July 12, 1845. He had son Nathainiel, was US Federal Judge Illinois, and father of Maj.-Gen. John Pope, U.S.A. (3) Jane, md Maj. Abner Field, father of Nathan Field, of Jeffersonville, Indiana. Source for next 2 paragraphs: Land /Deeds/Patients/Land Lottery Records: Deed Abstracts of Prince William Co, VA 1745-1770 Lynaugh Helm put and bound unto Henry Darne of Co of Fairfax in the Parish of Truro Joiner, William Pope an Orphan Boy of the age of 14 as an apprentice carpenter until the full age of 21. ...At a Court continued and held for Prince William Co, 25th day March 1761, William Pope, Orphan of Warden Pope dec'd and agreed to signing of the indenture. (William estimated to be born in 1747.) 6 Aug 1770 William Pope "leased for life" land from Lynaugh Helm at rent of 1500 pounds of Crop tobacca & cask & the Quitrents and that William Pope will plant 150 apple trees & 300 Peach trees and keep in good repair, for William and wife Penelope and dau. Penelope. Two tracks of land in the Co of Prince (blank) & Fauquier on both sides the line One tract bought by Moses Coppage & taken up by Lynaugh Helm, the two tracts containing 508 acres. Worden Pope died 1749. By October 1750 Hester had remarried -- Lynaugh HELM -- and moved to Prince William Co VA taking all four children with her. The children grew up there, and three older ones -- Benjamin, Jane, and William migrated to KY to the Louisville area and had some very prominent descendants, including Maj. Gen. John Pope of Civil War fame. 1789 Lynaugh Helm died leaving the house in which he lived to his widow, Hester and their son, William Helm. Continuing, and here is the documentation:In a deed 13 May 1799 recorded Prince William Co. VA 1 July 1799, Deed Book Z pp.481-482 "Hester Helm and William Helm in consideration of the natural love and affection which we bear unto Elizabeth Chapman Pope, the granddaughter of me, Hester Helm, and Niece of me, William Helm, and the diverse other good causes, by these presents do give and confirm unto Elizabeth Chapman Pope one Negro girl named Emily, a slave of about two years old." This deed was witnessed by John Pope. From: [email protected] 24 Jan 2003 16:57:38 EST >>[when you look at the Nath'l POPE chart below...I'd be interested to know >>if YOUR Wm Pope is the SON of Nath'l POPE?] thanks.....Nena<< Nena,Finally figured out that our Col. William Pope, who married Penelope Edwards,was the son of Worden Pope and Hester Netherton of Virginia. Worden was the son of the third generation Nathaniel Pope who was the grandson of the immigrant Nathaniel, born 1610. The daughter of Col. William Pope, who married Penelope Edwards was Penelope Pope who married as her first husband Col. William H. Oldham, son of John Oldham who was born October 17, 1708, in St. Stephens Parish, Northumberland Co, VA. This William Oldham is the brother of Susanna Oldham, my husband's 5th great-grandmother). Her second husband was Henry Churchill, born December 10, 1768, son of Armistead. I think I'm repeating data you have here. I don't have much info on these collateral lines as I haven't gone that far from my husband's direct Oldham ancester who was the John Oldham, born October 17, 1708, and married to Anne (Nancy) Conway, born 1718. I'll check over the rest of the info you sent and see what else I can find.>Priscilla _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail